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1337Goblin wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Bioware, please leave the endings as they are. I beg you. The people demanding the that the endings be changed are being ridiculous and simply have no right to do so whatsoever. It is Your creative work, not theirs.

The endings are fine as they are and set things up for a new Mass Effect game set after the events of ME3 very nicely. I'll happily buy DLC which expands on what is already in the core game, but not anything which significantly changes it. It will set a very bad precedent.

I sincerely believe the people demanding a change are a vocal minority. The Bioware forums and your twitter accounts don't give a fair representation.

Against all polls, user reviews, etc. to the contrary.


From my previous post.

"The Bioware forums and your twitter accounts don't give a fair representation."

In other words, the polls are meaningless because they don't reflect the majority or people who have played the game or even fans of the series. And if you link to Metacritic you deserve only to be laughed at. The user section of that site is even less meaningful.

I'll give another another example of internet feedback not giving a good representation. My state in Australia (Queensland) has an election coming up. A recent online poll showed that most people supported the Labor Party, which is clearly not the case when you consider the enitre voting population. The online poll didn't give a good representation of voter views. And the same is true for gamers and fans of the Mass Effect series.

Longer term sales comparisons between ME2 and ME3 would give Bioware a better idea of what people think.


I take it you have not seen the very serious campaigns about the ending. It's no where near a vocal minority.

http://retakemasseff...ect-childs-play
http://www.facebook....ngToMassEffect3

If -anything- the vocal minority are the people saying the ending was good and respectable to the series and it's fanbase.


Minority, yes. Vocal, no. We're completely drowned out by you guys.

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Shermos wrote...

Mass Effect 3 =/= a broken toaster still in warranty.

To quote what i said in a recent poll:

"Mass Effect is a piece of art, not a defective toaster. Surely people
here realise how rediculous it would be to ask an author to change the
ending of his novel because they didn't like it. He'd have every right
to politely tell you to get f'd. The same is true here. "

Let's say I don't like the ending to a movie I saw at the cinema. Do I have a right to dammand the makers of the movie change it to suit my wants? No. Absolutely not. It is their creative work and they can do what they wish with it. If I don't like, I simply don't buy it and look for something I like more.

I'm trying to be polite, but honestly, grow up people.

No. It is not a broken toaster. It is also not a movie.

Though even on that note, your argument helps me make a case here.
If a movie screws up, you don't demand a new ending. YOU TELL EVERYONE WHO ASKS THAT IT SUCKED.

We do not want Mass Effect to die because of this. We don't want a new ending because we're petty. We want a new ending for fear of the death of this rich, well researched, thought out galaxy we've fallen in love with.

We don't want this series to become the equivalent of assets torched.

EDIT: And as a note to politeness, you cut out part of one of my posts earlier. The part about you technically being right? Why in hell did you do that? To be 'polite?' I was trying, desperately, to be polite while arguing.

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While there where so many great moments in the game.(to many to count) The ending just killed it for me. Everything after Anderson croaked just fell flat. imho the worst thing you can do in a story is introduce a new antagonist in the last few minutes.

I did not care for star kids explanation for the reapers.(it made no sense) . The reapers where supposed to be independent artificial lifeforms. Whatever the starkid was it just cheapened harbinger and the reapers by downgrading them to giant husks that he controls.

I would have liked it better if they had replaced star kid with harbinger. Maybe then i could have enjoyed the choice you have to make. I also could have done without the cliffhanger. (why was normandy fleeing the battle through a relay?)

I did like that the relays had to be destroyed to save the galaxy. It creates a chance for life to develop along a path not laid out by the reapers.

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Shermos wrote...

BTDUBS wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Bioware, please leave the endings as they are. I beg you. The people demanding the that the endings be changed are being ridiculous and simply have no right to do so whatsoever. It is Your creative work, not theirs.

The endings are fine as they are and set things up for a new Mass Effect game set after the events of ME3 very nicely. I'll happily buy DLC which expands on what is already in the core game, but not anything which significantly changes it. It will set a very bad precedent.

I sincerely believe the people demanding a change are a vocal minority. The Bioware forums and your twitter accounts don't give a fair representation.


Since we the consumers are the ones who fund these products through our hard earned money, we have the right to demand a better ending since we paid $60+ for this game. Mad fans = bad business.


Mass Effect 3 =/= a broken toaster still in warranty.

To quote what i said in a recent poll:

"Mass Effect is a piece of art, not a defective toaster. Surely people
here realise how rediculous it would be to ask an author to change the
ending of his novel because they didn't like it. He'd have every right
to politely tell you to get f'd. The same is true here. "

Let's say I don't like the ending to a movie I saw at the cinema. Do I have a right to dammand the makers of the movie change it to suit my wants? No. Absolutely not. It is their creative work and they can do what they wish with it. If I don't like, I simply don't buy it and look for something I like more.

I'm trying to be polite, but honestly, grow up people.


Whats the name of that recent novel that is gonna get rewritten because it was so badly writen? Ooooo yeah Mass Effect Deception...

We are customers that are not happy with the product we were sold and was falsely advertised on top of things by the entire dev team. Of course we are gonna be angry and demand a change to the ending...

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I really have been trying to let myself get over this nightmare, but since you guys promise you're listening here, I'll
try to just say it all, get it all out.

I have invested more of  myself into this series than almost any other video game franchise in my life. I loved this game. I believed in it. For five years, it  delivered. I must have played ME1 and ME2 a dozen times each.

I  remember the end of Mass Effect 2. Never before, in any video game I had ever played, did I feel like my actions really mattered. Knowing that  the decisions I made and the hard work I put into ME2 had a very real, clear, obvious impact on who lived and who died was one of the most  astounding feelings in the world to me. I remember when that laser hit  the Normandy and Joker made a comment about how he was happy we upgraded
the shields. That was amazing. Cause and effect. Work and reward.

The first time I went through, I lost Mordin, and it was gut-wrenching:  watching him die because I made a bad decision was damning, heartbreaking. But it wasn't hopeless, because I knew I could go back, do better, and save him. I knew that I was in control, that my actions mattered. So that's exactly what I did. I reviewed my decisions, found  my mistakes, and did everything right. I put together a plan, I worked hard to follow that plan, and I got the reward I had worked so hard for. And then, it was all for nothing.

When I started playing Mass Effect 3, I was blown away. It was perfect. Everything was perfect. It was incredible to see all of my decisions playing out in front of me, building up to new and outrageous outcomes. I was so sure that this was it, this was going to be the masterpiece that crowned an already near-perfect trilogy. With every war asset I gathered, and with every multiplayer game I won, I knew that my work would pay off, that I would
be truly satisfied with the outcome of my hard work and smart decisions. Every time I acquired a new WA bonus, I couldn't wait to see how it would play out in the final battle. And then, it was all for nothing.

I wasn't expecting a perfect, happy ending with rainbows and butterflies. In fact, I think I may have been insulted if everyone made it through just fine. The Reapers are an enormous threat (although obviously not as invincible as they would like us to believe), and we should be right to anticipate heavy losses. But I never lost hope. I built alliances, I made the impossible happen to rally the galaxy together. I cured the genophage. I saved the Turians. I united the geth and the quarians. And then, it was all for nothing.

When Mordin died, it was heartwrenching, but I knew it was the right thing. His sacrifice was... perfect. It made sense. It was congruent with the dramatic themes that had been present since I very first met Wrex in ME1. It was not a cheap trick, a deus ex machina, an easy out. It was beautiful, meaningful, significant, relevant, and satisfying. It was an amazing way for an amazing character to sacrifice themself for an amazing thing. And then
it was all for nothing.

When Thane died, it was tearjerking. I knew from the moment he explained his illness that one day, I'd have to
deal with his death. I knew he was never going to survive the trilogy, and I knew it wouldn't be fun to watch him go. But when his son started reading the prayer, I lost it. His death was beautiful. It was significant. It was relevant. It was satisfying. It was meaningful. He died to protect Shepard, to protect the entire Citadel. He took a life he thought was unredeemable and used it to make the world a brighter place. And then it was all for nothing.

When Wrex and Eve thanked me for saving their species, I felt that I had truly accomplished something great. When Tali set foot on her homeworld, I felt that I had truly accomplished something great. When Javik gave his inspiring speech, I felt that I had inspired something truly great. When I activated the Citadel's arms, sat down to reminisce with Anderson one final time, I felt that I had truly accomplished something amazing. I felt that my sacrifice was meaningful. Significant. Relevant. And while still a completely unexplained deus ex machina, at least it was a little bit satisfying.

And then, just like everything else in this trilogy, it was all for nothing.

If we pretend like the indoctrination theory is false, and we're really supposed to take the ending at face value, this entire game is a lost cause. The krogans will never repopulate. The quarians will never rebuild their home world. The geth will never know what it means to be alive and independent. The salarians will never see how people can
change for the better.

Instead, the quarians and turians will endure a quick, torturous extinction as they slowly starve to death, trapped in a system with no support for them. Everyone else will squabble over the scraps of Earth that haven't been completely obliterated, until the krogans drive them all to extinction and then die off without any women present. And this is all assuming that the relays didn't cause supernova-scaled extinction events simply by being
destroyed, like we saw in Arrival.

And perhaps the worst part is that we don't even know. We don't know what happened to our squadmates. We didn't get any sort of catharsis, conclusion. We got five years of literary foreplay followed by a kick to the groin and a note telling us that in a couple months, we can pay Bioware $15 for them to do it to us all over again.

It's not just the abysmally depressing/sacrificial nature of the ending, either. As I've already made perfectly clear, I came into this game expecting sacrifice. When Mordin did it, it was beautiful. When Thane did it, it was beautiful. Even Verner. Stupid, misguided, idiotic Verner. Even his ridiculous sacrifice had meaning, relevance, coherence, and offered satisfaction.

No, it's not the sacrifice I have a problem with. It's the utter lack of coherence and respect for the five years of literary gold that have already been established in this franchise. We spent three games preparing to fight these reapers. I spent hours upon hours doing every side quest, picking up every war asset, maxing out my galactic readiness so that when the time came, the army I had built could make a stand, and show these Reapers that we won't go down without a fight.

In  ME1, we did the impossible when we killed Sovereign. In ME2, we began to see that the Reapers aren't as immortal as they claim to be: that even they have basic needs, exploitable weaknesses. In ME3, we saw the
Reapers die. We saw one get taken down by an overgrown worm. We saw one die with a few coordinated orbital bombardments. We saw several ripped  apart by standard space combat. In ME1, it took three alliance fleets to
kill the "invincible" Sovereign. By the end of ME3, I had assembled a galactic armada fifty times more powerful than that, and a thousand  times more prepared. I never expected the fight to be easy, but I proved
that we wouldn't go down without a fight, that there is always hope in unity. That's the theme we've been given for the past five years: there is hope and strength through unity. That if we work together, we can achieve the impossible.

And then we're supposed to believe that  the fate of the galaxy comes down to some completely unexplained
starchild asking Shepard what his favorite color is? That the army we built was all for nothing? That the squad whose loyalty we fought so hard for was all for nothing? That in the end, none of it mattered at  all?

It's a poetic notion, but this isn't the place for poetry. It's one thing to rattle prose nihilistic over the course of a movie or ballad, where the audience is a passive observer, learning a lesson from the suffering and futility of a character, but that's not what Mass Effect is. Mass Effect has always been about making the player the true hero. If you really want us to all feel like we spent the past five years dumping time, energy, and emotional investment into this game just to tell us that nothing really matters, you have signed your own death certificate. Nobody pays hundreds of dollars and hours to be reminded how bleak, empty, and depressing the world can be, to be told that
nothing we do matters, to be told that all of our greatest accomplishments, all of our faith, all of our work, all of our unity is for nothing.

No. It simply cannot be this bleak. I refuse to believe Bioware is really doing this. The ending of ME1 was perfect. We saw the struggle, we saw the cost, but we knew that we had worked hard, worked together, and won. The ending of ME2 was perfect. We saw the struggle, we saw the cost, but we knew that we had worked hard, worked
together, and won.

Taken at face value, the end of ME3 throws every single thing we've done in the past five years into the wind, and
makes the player watch from a distance as the entire galaxy is thrown into a technological dark age and a stellar extinction. Why would we care about a universe that no longer exists? We should we invest any more time or money into a world that will never be what we came to know and love?

Even if the ending is retconned, it doesn't make things better. Just knowing that the starchild was our real foe the entire time is so utterly mindless, contrived, and irrelevant to what we experienced in ME1 and ME2 that it cannot be forgiven. If that really is the truth, then Mass Effect simply isn't what we thought it was. And frankly, if this is what Mass Effect was supposed to be all along, I want no part of it. It's a useless, trite, overplayed cliche, so far
beneath the praise I once gave this franchise that it hurts to think about.

No. There is no way to save this franchise without giving us the only explanation that makes sense. You know what it is. It was the plan all along. Too much evidence to not be true. Too many people reaching the same conclusions independently.

The indoctrination theory doesn't just save this franchise: it elevates it to one of the most powerful and compelling storytelling experiences I've ever had in my life. The fact that you managed to do more than indoctrinate Shepard -
you managed to indoctrinate the players themselves - is astonishing. If that really was the end game, here, then you have won my gaming soul. But if that's true, then I'm still waiting for the rest of this story, the final chapter of Shepard's heroic journey. I paid to finish the fight, and if the indoctrination theory is true, it's not over yet.

And if it's not, then I just don't even care. I have been betrayed, and it's time for me to let go of the denial, the anger, the bargaining, and start working through the depression and emptiness until I can just move on. You can't keep teasing us like this. This must have seemed like a great plan at the time, but it has cost too much. These people
believed in you. I believed in you.

Just make it right.


This is now my go-to forum post because it perfectly summarizes my feelings.

The only thing I would add is this:
The longer they take to make it right, the more fans they lose. I get that the game has only been out a week in North America and shorter elsewhere, but they simply cannot afford to wait months to address this issue.

Those of us complaining are not a "vocal minority". I have had coworkers and classmates, "hardcore" and "casual" gamers alike, discuss the ending with me over the last few days, all with the same amount of disappointment and/or disdain. Several have already traded in the game while they can get the highest amount of credit for it. Many of them will NEVER post here and while some may rally on twitter or Facebook (mostly at my recommendation) some of them won't even do that. They've just washed their hands of the disappointment - that's already a loss of potential DLC sales because they've decided they don't want the game anymore, at all.

This is not an issue that can be sat on for months. An announcement needs to come soon, even if the announcement is "this is the ending, it's not changing" so we can either anticipate the future DLC or move on. No more cryptic tweets, no more deflection. I've posted in this thread four times now, and in none of them have I mentioned my favorite parts because I'm not a cat who will be distracted by a laser pointer into another discussion to deflect the real topic at hand.

Modifié par Captiosus77, 16 mars 2012 - 04:21 .


#2756
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Shermos wrote...

BTDUBS wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Bioware, please leave the endings as they are. I beg you. The people demanding the that the endings be changed are being ridiculous and simply have no right to do so whatsoever. It is Your creative work, not theirs.

The endings are fine as they are and set things up for a new Mass Effect game set after the events of ME3 very nicely. I'll happily buy DLC which expands on what is already in the core game, but not anything which significantly changes it. It will set a very bad precedent.

I sincerely believe the people demanding a change are a vocal minority. The Bioware forums and your twitter accounts don't give a fair representation.


Since we the consumers are the ones who fund these products through our hard earned money, we have the right to demand a better ending since we paid $60+ for this game. Mad fans = bad business.


Mass Effect 3 =/= a broken toaster still in warranty.

To quote what i said in a recent poll:

"Mass Effect is a piece of art, not a defective toaster. Surely people
here realise how rediculous it would be to ask an author to change the
ending of his novel because they didn't like it. He'd have every right
to politely tell you to get f'd. The same is true here. "

Let's say I don't like the ending to a movie I saw at the cinema. Do I have a right to dammand the makers of the movie change it to suit my wants? No. Absolutely not. It is their creative work and they can do what they wish with it. If I don't like, I simply don't buy it and look for something I like more.

I'm trying to be polite, but honestly, grow up people.


Here's where your argument runs into a problem: everyone posting on this forum that has had a negative reaction to the endings has already paid for the game.  We have no way to get our money back.  Some of us paid upwards of $80 for the Collector's Edition.

Explain to us why we're supposed to sit down and shut up when we've already paid for an unsatisfactory product?

Games are works of art, yes.  They are not, however, novels.  They aren't movies.  They aren't paintings.  They are made for entertainment and escapism.  That is why they sell.  The endings have left a lot of people far from entertained, and Bioware needs to know.

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I'm sure I could find someone's post somewhere on this site to show where exactly I feel like you guys went wrong but I think you guys already have an idea on where you went wrong guessing from the 100+ pages in this thread so I will simply say you disappoint me Bioware. I feel like I have to prove something to myself by refusing to buy any possible DLC you guys could come up with. And no, I doubt a free ending DLC would change my opinion of you.

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Shermos wrote...

BTDUBS wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Bioware, please leave the endings as they are. I beg you. The people demanding the that the endings be changed are being ridiculous and simply have no right to do so whatsoever. It is Your creative work, not theirs.

The endings are fine as they are and set things up for a new Mass Effect game set after the events of ME3 very nicely. I'll happily buy DLC which expands on what is already in the core game, but not anything which significantly changes it. It will set a very bad precedent.

I sincerely believe the people demanding a change are a vocal minority. The Bioware forums and your twitter accounts don't give a fair representation.


Since we the consumers are the ones who fund these products through our hard earned money, we have the right to demand a better ending since we paid $60+ for this game. Mad fans = bad business.


Mass Effect 3 =/= a broken toaster still in warranty.

To quote what i said in a recent poll:

"Mass Effect is a piece of art, not a defective toaster. Surely people
here realise how rediculous it would be to ask an author to change the
ending of his novel because they didn't like it. He'd have every right
to politely tell you to get f'd. The same is true here. "

Let's say I don't like the ending to a movie I saw at the cinema. Do I have a right to dammand the makers of the movie change it to suit my wants? No. Absolutely not. It is their creative work and they can do what they wish with it. If I don't like, I simply don't buy it and look for something I like more.

I'm trying to be polite, but honestly, grow up people.


So being honest resorts to insulting people who's views don't agree with yours.
And just for your information a book/Movie is not meant to be interactive a game is So you theory
does not hold water

What is wrong with trying to put the problems of the world aside for a while and playing a game you enjoy
there are enough unhappy endings in Life.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to find a little happiness in our forms of entertainment

I'm trying to be polite but get real and let people express themselves without being told to grow up

Modifié par Elvwood, 16 mars 2012 - 04:11 .


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Endings can be changed:

http://pc.gamespy.co.../1220833p1.html

It has happened before.

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Shermos wrote...

BTDUBS wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Bioware, please leave the endings as they are. I beg you. The people demanding the that the endings be changed are being ridiculous and simply have no right to do so whatsoever. It is Your creative work, not theirs.

The endings are fine as they are and set things up for a new Mass Effect game set after the events of ME3 very nicely. I'll happily buy DLC which expands on what is already in the core game, but not anything which significantly changes it. It will set a very bad precedent.

I sincerely believe the people demanding a change are a vocal minority. The Bioware forums and your twitter accounts don't give a fair representation.


Since we the consumers are the ones who fund these products through our hard earned money, we have the right to demand a better ending since we paid $60+ for this game. Mad fans = bad business.


Mass Effect 3 =/= a broken toaster still in warranty.

To quote what i said in a recent poll:

"Mass Effect is a piece of art, not a defective toaster. Surely people
here realise how rediculous it would be to ask an author to change the
ending of his novel because they didn't like it. He'd have every right
to politely tell you to get f'd. The same is true here. "

Let's say I don't like the ending to a movie I saw at the cinema. Do I have a right to dammand the makers of the movie change it to suit my wants? No. Absolutely not. It is their creative work and they can do what they wish with it. If I don't like, I simply don't buy it and look for something I like more.

I'm trying to be polite, but honestly, grow up people.


Mass Effect is a piece of art it's ending is a  broken toaster .
And the movie comparison is wrong to, cost of a ticket 12 cost of game 80(got CE). Time spent in move 3hr max time in game.... lost track. This ending is so bad, full of holes and go's against most of ME lore and science. At lest make an ending that's believable with in the games universe

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Game_Fan_85 wrote...

People wonder why Chris or any other BioWare person hasn't posted. There is another thread about the ending, isn't this supposed to be about the moments we loved from the game?


They need to be extremely careful what they come out and say. Every single word that is spoken needs to be absolute truth or it will come back to bite them just as all of good ol' Casey's promises about the endings have. I'm sure they sat around the conference room for an hour at least, just trying to figure out if they should make a forum post or not.

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Shermos wrote...

BTDUBS wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Bioware, please leave the endings as they are. I beg you. The people demanding the that the endings be changed are being ridiculous and simply have no right to do so whatsoever. It is Your creative work, not theirs.

The endings are fine as they are and set things up for a new Mass Effect game set after the events of ME3 very nicely. I'll happily buy DLC which expands on what is already in the core game, but not anything which significantly changes it. It will set a very bad precedent.

I sincerely believe the people demanding a change are a vocal minority. The Bioware forums and your twitter accounts don't give a fair representation.


Since we the consumers are the ones who fund these products through our hard earned money, we have the right to demand a better ending since we paid $60+ for this game. Mad fans = bad business.


Mass Effect 3 =/= a broken toaster still in warranty.

To quote what i said in a recent poll:

"Mass Effect is a piece of art, not a defective toaster. Surely people
here realise how rediculous it would be to ask an author to change the
ending of his novel because they didn't like it. He'd have every right
to politely tell you to get f'd. The same is true here. "

Let's say I don't like the ending to a movie I saw at the cinema. Do I have a right to dammand the makers of the movie change it to suit my wants? No. Absolutely not. It is their creative work and they can do what they wish with it. If I don't like, I simply don't buy it and look for something I like more.

I'm trying to be polite, but honestly, grow up people.


How dare you tell people to grow up when you're sitting there completely ignorant of the fact that a video game is an entirely different form of entertainment.  You can't add DLC onto a movie or book so your analogy is pretty baseless.
Stop overlooking what was obviously a rushed ending.

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As far as my favorite moments go: rekindling my Talimance, Grunt coming back from falling off the cliff, the Thresher Maw taking out that Reaper, and the whole time in the Geth network.

I would like to see some more content with people's LI, including, just maybe, a fully rendered Tali model with no mask. Well, one can hope. This is a discussion for another thread though.

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Telling someone to get f'd? Yeah, you'd totally do that while trying to keep your business afloat. 

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Himmelstor wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Bioware, please leave the endings as they are. I beg you. The people demanding the that the endings be changed are being ridiculous and simply have no right to do so whatsoever. It is Your creative work, not theirs.

The endings are fine as they are and set things up for a new Mass Effect game set after the events of ME3 very nicely. I'll happily buy DLC which expands on what is already in the core game, but not anything which significantly changes it. It will set a very bad precedent.

I sincerely believe the people demanding a change are a vocal minority. The Bioware forums and your twitter accounts don't give a fair representation.

Against all polls, user reviews, etc. to the contrary.

The idea of them not owing us anything is technically true. But honestly, why wouldn't they do something? Their reputation is what is at stake here.


This is it. The ending of a work of fiction has such an effect on the perception of the whole. Sopranos is 'that series that ended in the middle of a sen' for all time, now. Battlestar Galactica is 'humans are saved by Space Jesus'. And so on.

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Shermos wrote...

BTDUBS wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Bioware, please leave the endings as they are. I beg you. The people demanding the that the endings be changed are being ridiculous and simply have no right to do so whatsoever. It is Your creative work, not theirs.

The endings are fine as they are and set things up for a new Mass Effect game set after the events of ME3 very nicely. I'll happily buy DLC which expands on what is already in the core game, but not anything which significantly changes it. It will set a very bad precedent.

I sincerely believe the people demanding a change are a vocal minority. The Bioware forums and your twitter accounts don't give a fair representation.


Since we the consumers are the ones who fund these products through our hard earned money, we have the right to demand a better ending since we paid $60+ for this game. Mad fans = bad business.


Mass Effect 3 =/= a broken toaster still in warranty.

To quote what i said in a recent poll:

"Mass Effect is a piece of art, not a defective toaster. Surely people
here realise how rediculous it would be to ask an author to change the
ending of his novel because they didn't like it. He'd have every right
to politely tell you to get f'd. The same is true here. "

Let's say I don't like the ending to a movie I saw at the cinema. Do I have a right to dammand the makers of the movie change it to suit my wants? No. Absolutely not. It is their creative work and they can do what they wish with it. If I don't like, I simply don't buy it and look for something I like more.

I'm trying to be polite, but honestly, grow up people.


Your arguements are actually the least rational and least thought out.  Rather than deconstruct your flawed logic, it's easier to point out that you're vastly in the minority.

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sergeym1990

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if people do not like the movie it fails at box office and creators lose money. The diffirence here is that unlike movie game may be easily patched or DLC may be released.

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AndreasShepard wrote...
How dare you tell people to grow up when you're sitting there completely ignorant of the fact that a video game is an entirely different form of entertainment.  You can't add DLC onto a movie or book so your analogy is pretty baseless.
Stop overlooking what was obviously a rushed ending.


Lol, sorry. I had to comment because the thought of DLC for a movie makes me giggle. Don't give Hollywood ideas. Bahaha.

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Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

You know whenever I made a mistake as a child my father would make me address what I did wrong and fix it....


....I'm expecting a passive aggressive smiley though.


BWAH!

Sad, but likely true!

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Kaidan on the Mars mission, and their hookup before heading to the Cerberus base.

But then the ending ruined that. Sorry to say, but seriously? You need a new ending. Preferably multiple ones. Including one in which our choices ACTUALLY matter.

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Didn't they change the book Mass Effect Deception? The endings of Portal and Fallout 3 were also changed.

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Shermos wrote...

BTDUBS wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Bioware, please leave the endings as they are. I beg you. The people demanding the that the endings be changed are being ridiculous and simply have no right to do so whatsoever. It is Your creative work, not theirs.

The endings are fine as they are and set things up for a new Mass Effect game set after the events of ME3 very nicely. I'll happily buy DLC which expands on what is already in the core game, but not anything which significantly changes it. It will set a very bad precedent.

I sincerely believe the people demanding a change are a vocal minority. The Bioware forums and your twitter accounts don't give a fair representation.


Since we the consumers are the ones who fund these products through our hard earned money, we have the right to demand a better ending since we paid $60+ for this game. Mad fans = bad business.


Mass Effect 3 =/= a broken toaster still in warranty.

To quote what i said in a recent poll:

"Mass Effect is a piece of art, not a defective toaster. Surely people
here realise how rediculous it would be to ask an author to change the
ending of his novel because they didn't like it. He'd have every right
to politely tell you to get f'd. The same is true here. "

Let's say I don't like the ending to a movie I saw at the cinema. Do I have a right to dammand the makers of the movie change it to suit my wants? No. Absolutely not. It is their creative work and they can do what they wish with it. If I don't like, I simply don't buy it and look for something I like more.

I'm trying to be polite, but honestly, grow up people.


I do agree with this and while we may not get a revision, I would like the ending explained from the source so that the plotholes can be closed. This feels very similar to the release of Mass Effect: Deception. They messed up lore and known facts about the series and now they are releasing an ammended version at some point because of the complaints.

To quote what Chris Priestly said in the forums:
"The teams at Del Rey and BioWare would like to extend our sincerest
apologies to the Mass Effect fans for any errors and oversights made in
the recent novel Mass Effect: Deception. We are currently working on a
number of changes that will appear in future editions of the novel."

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Shermos wrote...

BTDUBS wrote...

Shermos wrote...

Bioware, please leave the endings as they are. I beg you. The people demanding the that the endings be changed are being ridiculous and simply have no right to do so whatsoever. It is Your creative work, not theirs.

The endings are fine as they are and set things up for a new Mass Effect game set after the events of ME3 very nicely. I'll happily buy DLC which expands on what is already in the core game, but not anything which significantly changes it. It will set a very bad precedent.

I sincerely believe the people demanding a change are a vocal minority. The Bioware forums and your twitter accounts don't give a fair representation.


Since we the consumers are the ones who fund these products through our hard earned money, we have the right to demand a better ending since we paid $60+ for this game. Mad fans = bad business.


Mass Effect 3 =/= a broken toaster still in warranty.

To quote what i said in a recent poll:

"Mass Effect is a piece of art, not a defective toaster. Surely people
here realise how rediculous it would be to ask an author to change the
ending of his novel because they didn't like it. He'd have every right
to politely tell you to get f'd. The same is true here. "

Let's say I don't like the ending to a movie I saw at the cinema. Do I have a right to dammand the makers of the movie change it to suit my wants? No. Absolutely not. It is their creative work and they can do what they wish with it. If I don't like, I simply don't buy it and look for something I like more.

I'm trying to be polite, but honestly, grow up people.


Your whole argument is based on the assumption that a video game is in fact art. It's not.

Art is a creative expression of oneself. A video game is put together by a panel of writers and producers in whatever manner is deemed to bring in the most profit. The company that 'owns' the story doesn't give a flying turd about art.

The writers themselves may care, and indeed be artists, but they are not the owners of the story. BioWare and EA are the ones telling the writers what they can and cannot do, and how much time they have to feed the company a paycheck.

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@Shermos:

Lol Rediculous, your argument is rendered invalid.

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I simply can't grasp why anyone is against the change? I mean if you liked the ending great. But, why would you want the majority of ME fans not to? I mean that really seems so unnecessary and cruel. How does it hurt you? How does it hurt BioWare?

(I'm not looking for a fight, I really don't understand

Also don't just spit out "It's art" or "Its theirs" because really, I think we've established its not the former and emotionally and morally its not the latter.