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[TheRealMithril]

A song fitting the Reapers and the whole ending :  <3

Modifié par TheRealMithril, 16 mars 2012 - 08:22 .

[Cyansomnia]

juliannacorn wrote...

I'd like to reiterate that many of those who feel as I do would have nothing wrong with Shepherd's inevitable demise. After all, Mordin's death is almost universally a favorite scene, as is Legion's and Thane's. They were well-developed, tragic but necessary and beautiful.

If you were friends with Thane, sure.  If you romanced Thane, it was a slap in the face.  Not to mention he's completely forgotten for the rest of the game while Mordin and Legion are not.  It was not well-developed in the slightest.  Patrick Weekes even admitted they screwed it up.

If you want evidence of that, how memorable does his death seem in this thread?  I see very little mention of him, because that's what it was... forgettable.  He was thrown under the bus as an extra excuse for us to hate Kai Leng.

Don't even get me started on the character assassination of Jacob.

Modifié par Aislinn Trista, 16 mars 2012 - 08:16 .

[s-lad]

I'm not a sci-fi fan but I love Mass Effect and have become fascinated with it's world and characters so I just want to know what happens after the Reaper war, I really just wish there had been an epilogue or something, even one like the DA:O.

I actually liked the final scenes with the IM confrontation and one last huge decision but after investing so much time into the trilogy. The game ends way too abruptly, what are the ramifications of your decisions? It's very unlikely there can be another mass effect game that takes place after Shepard's story because of all the choices the player makes it would be a logistical nightmare, so I just felt I didn't get enough closure on what state the universe is in now without the mass relays and the choices you made. Also characters you meet over the course of the game what effect did you have on them in the long run. What's Shepard's legacy?

[Anthony_cmm]

zarnk567 wrote...

There were many amazing moments, seeing Sovereign for the first time, stopping saren, surviving the suicide mission..... and all those moments mean nothing with the last 10min of Mass Effect 3.

it's true

[mikelwamdkm]

All Dead wrote...

travmonster wrote...
ME3 has so many great moments for me, but hands down, the one that affected me the most and is my definite favorite: right after Anderson dies, Hackett calls Shepard on the comm and, even though she's sitting there beside her dead friend/father figure, bleeding out it seems, she tries to stand, tries to crawl forward. "What do you need me to do?" The voice acting in that entire scene was just outstanding.  Tears were streaming down my face as she said those words and crawled toward that console. It felt very much like a "Frodo crawling up Mount Doom" moment. That is the essence of Shepard: never give in, never give up--even if you have to crawl to move forward.

If only that didn't lead to the elevator and the kid and everything awful that came in the next few minutes. 

YES.

Yea that part was great. From there it should've been oh so much simpler. Sheperd crawls to the panel, fires the crucible, Reapers get fried, Sheperd saved by Normandy crew. Brief celebratory scene with crew. End.

[Fuzzfro]

My favourite moments were

Grunt taking on all those Rachni and surviving - absolutely Badass
Going to the top of the Presidium with Garrus
Mission on Palavan
Thresha Maw taking Down Reaper
Killing Udina
Mordin Sacrificing himself whilst singing "I am the very model of a scientist salarian"
Taking down The reaper on Rannoch
Learning about the Geth Origins in the cyberworld
Liara's timecapsule
Killing Kai Leng
Talking to Garrus before final mission

Just listing those make me remember how great the game was UNTIL THE ENDING
The ending needs to be fixed there are so many plotholes (listed throughout the Forums) and there is absolutely no closure.
I want little blue children with Liara and I want to watch Tali rebuild her homeworld, I want to see Wrex hold his newborn child and I want to lie on a beach with Garrus having a drink.

[Piarath]

Avernius wrote...

The entire Mass Effect 3 experience was my favorite moment... until the terrible ending.

Seriously, did the script get handed over to a four-year-old at the end? I'm guessing it was "Bring Your Kids to Work Day" or something -- just wow.

It was. The truth is, it was bring your kids to work day. And the kids were all asked to take part in an experiment where they'd do their OWN versions of the end off the scripts as a special art project. However, on the same day, BioWare's master AI, ORigIN was activated, and all the original lovable, friendly, caring and awesome BioWare employees were poisoned by neurotoxin, leaving only the children. That evil mastermind AI destroyed the original script and took his favorite from the children's art project- a fanfiction about himself inserted into the story- and placed that into the finalized project at the end. That's the reason we've had almost no real response from BioWare until now. Probably a good many of the other employees who weren't at the original facility probably don't even know. I'm sure attack drones will be sent to kill me any day now. But at least now you know.

But seriously. The game was wonderful until the ending, guys. You did an outstanding job until those last five minutes. We'll all pretend it never happened if you fix it.

[juliannacorn]

[quote]Aislinn Trista wrote...


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If you were friends with Thane, sure.  If you romanced Thane, it was a slap in the face.  Not to mention he's completely forgotten for the rest of the game while Mordin and Legion are not.  It was not well-developed in the slightest.  Patrick Weekes even admitted they screwed it up.

[/quote]

I didn't import my Thane romance, so I didn't see that outcome.  It's a pity they made it so disappointing for his fans, though, in that case.  You have my condolences.

[branasce]

I think anything wouldve been better than the ending that was provided........ the only choices to you had was blue, green, or red explosion....the dying was not an option

[VII Revenant]

Favorite Moments:

- Traveling over Manae, listening to squad dialogue between battles
- Artimec Wing engaging the Reaper Destroyer
- Mordin Solus' death and deployment of the genophage cure; cried. Beautiful moment.
- Thane forcing Kai Leng to retreat, and the Drell's subsequent death. Very touching.
- Seeing the ruins of old Tuchanka
- Using the M-37 Falcon for the first time
- Avenging Thane
- Spending personal time with the crew on the Citadel
- Pretty much any conversation with Liara
- Legion's sacrifice to bring full sentience to the geth

Jeez, I know I could list more. Mass Effect 3 is a hell of a game; the endings... well... everyone knows what people say is wrong with them, and I'm inclined to agree on most points. That's what makes the ending so bad -- that there's this powerhouse of an emotionally-charged trilogy going full throttle, and then the story quit literally limps to one of the worst endings I've seen in a blockbuster title. Mass Effect 3 deserved to be more, because every little step toward the endgame was setting it up to be the best.

I can't make any demands to BioWare; all I can do is hope that all this outcry isn't a waste, whether it means Mass Effect receives DLC that add or alter endings or a future BioWare title is shared the same divisive fate.

Thank you BioWare; I've loved... almost every step of the journey. And that's more than I can say for any other RPG to date.

Modifié par VII Revenant, 16 mars 2012 - 08:18 .

[pharsti]

Hows the "listening" going so far >_>?

Theres quite a minority here.

[Skirlasvoud]

Casey Hudson

"I didn't want the game to be forgettable," Hudson told Digital Trends.
"Even right down to the sort of polarizing reaction that the ends have
had with people - debating what the endings mean and what's going to
happen next, and what situation are the characters left in."

"That to me is part of what's exciting about this story. There has
always been a little bit of mystery there and a little bit of
interpretation, and it's a story that people can talk about after the
fact."

I'm making an unforgettable hand gesture now in the general direction of Canada Casey. It may draw some polarizing reactions from your team, but that's part of the excitement. It's a little bit mysterious, so why don't you folk get together and submit it to your interpretation, study the angles and talk about it after the fact.

Debate will help you figure out what it means and what this paying costumer thinks of your decisions and what I'll do next.


Seriously, Bioware has its head crammed so far up a place where the sun don't shine, that they think they're imume to critique. Now, I should take responsibility for that too. For the past decade I looked up to them and thought they were the greatest. Apparently, it went to their head and they can't tell proper story from claptrap anymore.

Well, doubt no more! I'm here to tell you that your conclusion of anotherwise brilliant triology has been ruined.

Modifié par Skirlasvoud, 16 mars 2012 - 08:20 .

[mahlerbone]

seems to be how a lot of people feel

[Robhuzz]

Fuzzfro wrote...

My favourite moments were

Grunt taking on all those Rachni and surviving - absolutely Badass
Going to the top of the Presidium with Garrus
Mission on Palavan
Thresha Maw taking Down Reaper
Killing Udina
Mordin Sacrificing himself whilst singing "I am the very model of a scientist salarian"
Taking down The reaper on Rannoch
Learning about the Geth Origins in the cyberworld
Liara's timecapsule
Killing Kai Leng
Talking to Garrus before final mission

Just listing those make me remember how great the game was UNTIL THE ENDING
The ending needs to be fixed there are so many plotholes (listed throughout the Forums) and there is absolutely no closure.
I want little blue children with Liara and I want to watch Tali rebuild her homeworld, I want to see Wrex hold his newborn child and I want to lie on a beach with Garrus having a drink.

All I can do while reading your post is nod in agreement...

[yuhime]

Xero293 wrote...

HOURS OF SIDEQUESTS FOR NOTHING. I did every sidequest, got every war asset, and got full paragon in hopes of getting the best ending like in mass effect 2. Only to find all of these don't matter at all...not cool bioware.

I second that.

I just wanted to my effort not be wasted. I thought that if I do everything right, and complete every quest I'll be rewarded with good ending. Maybe not full happy ending, I can accept Shepard's death, but something that will show that I made a difference.

[kitcat1228]

Here is another log for the artistic vision fire. Michealangelo did not want to paint the Sistine chapel. He was hired by the pope to do it and he needed the money too badly to turn it down. He worked on it for over 5 years maybe more than 7, said I done the pope said I don't like it fix x, y, x, and gave his more money for materials and expenses. He ended up working on it for over 15 year, and it is one considered a masterpiece. But if had been up to Michealangelo, the artist, it would never had been made! The consumers do and should have a say in what we pay for. Especially since I pre-ordered Mass Effect 3 in no small part because in all the pre-release interviews it said that the choices made in mass effect 1 and 2 would affect the outcome of mass effect 3 and have consequences. This turned out not to be the case. This has so damaged my enjoyment of not only mass effect 3 but the other games in the series as well and I currently have no desire to replay them. (This could change, as I am still feeling somewhat raw as it is only been a few days). Currently, without a different ending(s), I can not see myself spending money on DLC for a game I have no longer have the heart to play. This is not me holding Bioware hostage but stating a fact.

The other fact is that I do feel betrayed by Bioware, I was promised my choices would matter and have consequences, and they didn't. I have long been a fan of Bioware and in fact they are one of two game developer companies that I have bothers to learn the name of (usually I just pay attention to if the game is good or not and don't care who makes it). However, I own (and love) almost every game Bioware has ever produced and have pre-ordered every game since Dragon Age:Orgins. However my faith and trust in Bioware has been shaken. I still plan to buy Dragon Age 3 ... but I won't be pre-ordering it. I'll wait to see what the reviews say and if they aren't positive maybe I'll wait and get it used. This is my prerogative as a consumer. I still think Bioware is probably one of the best role-playing game developers out there but this is a major slip. If it had happened on another game that would be one thing, this but the end of the Mass Effect trilogy should have been epic, not a confusing WTF.

[DCYNIGR8]

Xero293 wrote...

HOURS OF SIDEQUESTS FOR NOTHING. I did every sidequest, got every war asset, and got full paragon in hopes of getting the best ending like in mass effect 2. Only to find all of these don't matter at all...not cool bioware.

That and hours of multiplayer to get Galactic Readiness to 100%...

[ReaverT]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.
 
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

Considering the treatment you have been giving us regarding the game ending issue... that's a lot to ask. On the other hand, I would be lying if I didn't admit oppenly that these 3 games you've made over the last years haven't been A BLAST: incredible games, truly inmmersive, lovable characters (not just the good guys), an awsome universe... You really created an epic work of art that will be forever remembered in the History of Videogames. I would like to say the ending was fitting to it but, as it is off now, that can't be applied. Anyway, considering what I just said I'll answer your question, but I will also ask you (the whole team behind this fantastic trilogy) something at the end of the post. And while i'm writting this, I've just seen the new from "Final Hours"... The effort is apreciated, but it's not that the ending needs (let alone the fanbase). I'll elaborate once I finish answering the question you ask.

Now, on to the question. Favourite moment... 3 games have a lot more than a single favourite moment for me. Considering the hours I have invested (just like my fellow gamers), I can't choose just a single favourite moment... but a ton of them:

In Mass Effect 1, some of those moments were: becoming a Spectre, the battle againts the Rachni, against Matriarch Benezia, the face off against Wrex during Virmire being able to convince him and save him, the death of Kaidan/Ashley at the end of the mission on that same planet, the encounter with Vigil, the "climbing" of the Council tower at the end of the game, the final fight against Saren while the combined fleets were fighting against the Sovereign... I could put a lot more but I have to keep moving.

In Mass Effect 2: the destruction of the first Normandy, the death of Shepard, his/her resurrection at the hands of Cerberus, the introduction of the new Normandy, the side stories of all your team, particulary the one's involving Garrus, Tali, Thane, Grunt... In fact I loved them all, but those where specially well made (perhaps the most touching one was Tali's side quest, so If I had to chose one, this one would be THE ONE), finding out the Collectors ARE indeed protheans, the moment you meet Legion, how it integrates into your crew, the collectors boarding the Normandy, going to save my crew, the final battle at the collectors base, escaping it with everyone alive, the "James Bond style" mission of Kasumi, helping Liara become the Shadow Broker, The Arrival... Also there are a lot of moments like this ones in ME2, but I have to move on to ME3.

And finally, Mass Effect 3: Reuniting Shepard with his/her crew (the one's he/she takes and the others too), the battle for Palaven, helping the Krogans cure the Genophage, Mordin's final sacrifice for the Krogans, finding Javik and learning about the protheans, rescuing the Council from Udina, retaking the Citadel from Cerberus, helping the different races to prepare the strike back on Earth, Thane finally finding peace, ending the conflict betwen the Quarians and the Geth (specially the mission in which you go to the virtual world... reminded me a lot from Tron. Not that I consider it a rip off, but clearly influenced by the film, nice touch ), Legion's final words full of "humanity" and feelings, Quarians being able to return to their homeworld, the whole relation between Joker and Edi (this one's special and I'll explain why later), the assault on Earth... and I would love to add the ending, I would give ANYTHING for being able to say it is also one of my favourite moments, but I would be a lie.


Those, are just SOME of my favourite moments with Commander Shepard and his/her crew, and their voyage throghout the trilogy.
Now, allow me to make my petition and- at the same time- explain why I find the relation between Joker and EDI something so special. Those two characters show how a synthetic and an organic being can be fond of each other, how the most impossible of matches can be possible, even only on a fictional work like this. The dialogues both have, the situations where you find them dating, the outcome... It's not that much different from what we feel the fans for these games, their characters, their stories and the whole ME universe. We've come to love all this... it's a part of us, just like Joker and EDI are part of each other. And to see how the ending turned out to be and how different it could have been -specially now with that App called "Final Hours-, I can help it but to feel pain and sorrow, like when you lose a friend when he/she still had a lot to live for, and also the will to do so (yes, I've just experienced that recently, sorry). Not because of the ending itself, most of us were ready to see Shepard die, in fact, that's and ending that well portrayed would have helped the whole saga become A LEGEND in Videogame History, just like Shepard became a Legend in the ME universe. It's because of the plot holes, the lack of a more elaborated clossure, and the fact that the 16 endings promissed are just little variations of one single ending. In fact, if you say there are 16 endings, why just a single one of them can't be the traditional happy ending? But that's a different matter. What I'm saying is that a lot of fans have felt betrayed and hurted by the ending we have. Comparing this to EDI and Joker (and that never happens throughout the game), it's like oif they broke up the relationship just before the end for no plausible reason.

We're not asking the game ending to be changed, we just want an ending more explanatory, one that tells us if saving the Krogans was worth, if reunitng the Geth and the Quarians was worth, one that shows us our squad mates, friends, allys and LI mourns us -in case we died- or celebrating with us in case we survived. We just want you to add those posible endings ALONG with the one we have right now. Don't let this saga end like this, please. Give us some hope. Give us some closure. Give us the chance to experience a propper "good bye" to this universe that you created and gave to us, and that we have come to love and enjoy.
Please.Thanks and sorry for my bad english. 

[laurence47]

'give appreciation to this Commander Shephard VI, as I pass the mic to you.'

"I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite ending in the citadel."

[ET_rage]

In another thread, this was mentioned, and I think the idea has merit.


jess05 wrote...

Ok, Im probably going to get flamed here, but after some thought heres waht I think.

The endings/choices we have now are good. BUT, and a big BUT here ...

1) There needs to be a Epilogue of some form. Give us some closure.
I think Shepard being tricked & falling into indoctination, giving into Harbinger is a awesome end.

2) Now heres the Big exception.
There needs to be a 4th option to fight back, and the happy ending if you will. But I do think it should be a tougher choice, and not so easily recognized.
Sure, many will die, possibly squad mates, but it will be the end where all your work pays off. Not exactly a happy ending, but a ending that stops the Reapers, and things can continue from this point with DLC.

As it is, at the end of the game you get put back to before the Cerebus takeover and hit with a Buy more DLC message. Utter BS.
Any DLC put out that is done before this end scenario is pointless as it is right now.


Now think about this ....
if theres a 4th "good" ending where the save puts you in a galaxie of ruin, that seems to me it opens the doors to tons and tons of future DLC many would be willing to buy.
A message at that point future DLC will be coming to expand the universe would seem to make more sense IMHO.



We could Rebuild Earth, more Romance options , Take back Omega, and so-on. Many possibilities.

You would have the entire galaxie to rebuild, and explore.

Bioware/EA are in this for money in the end. No secret there. it seems to me this would not only please fans, but make them a lot more money in the end. Everyone is happy.

Our actions mattered in the end (IF... you made the right choices. It shouldnt be easy to get) and future DLC to gives us much more out of Mass Effect Universe.



Now, see, here's a fascinating option that could possibly make everyone happy, gamers and developers alike. People would get whatever ending they chose (and I do stress the word CHOICE, since that was what was promised and which we, ultimately, did not get) and Bioware would be able to procure future profits. Because, in the end, the largest profit margin is really what motivates any company, sadly. Given this option, the ME3 game could expand quite a bit and possibly include teams fighting any lingering Reaper forces, which could provide for more multiplayer opportunities. A win-win.

[Killer3000ad]

The last 5 minutes of ME3 destroys the past 5 years of ME. Wrap your head around that Chris. I am not trying to be rude but please get it into your silly heads, the endings, ALL THREE OF THEM, STINK! It's not because Shep dies, I can live with Shep dying but the sudden appearance of Casper the Genocidal Ghost, with his offer of Red Pill, Blue Pill, or Green pill without Shep having the opportunity to point out how stupid the Reaper's logic is that synthetics will always war with organics (right after SHep has made the Quarians and Geth play nice, and giving EDI more humanity than ever), it jsut reeks of poor writing.

And then there's the whole 'mass relays are destroyed in all endings'. Really? The mere fact that they show the relays blowing up one after another FROM THE STAR MAP, just indicates that they blew up with the same force as the one in Arrival DLC, which effectively means that any system with a relay jsut got wiped out, Sol system included.

And why the heck is Joker suddenly running from an explosion, and why does he have my two last teammates with him? Did anyone at Bioware ever stop to think how this might all appear? How did the same writers who gave us the 99% of the game that isn't the ending, then dream up the 1% that is the ending?

It looks as if someone didn't want the tried-and-tested Good/Evil ending that was used in so many previous Bioware masterpieces like Jade Empire, KOTOR 1, BG2:Throne of Bhaal and wanted to be artistic and vague.

Did no one at Bioware bother to read it all over and say,"Hey you know what? These endings we have with Casper and his 3 colour-coded, nearly identical choices, it's really stupid when you look at it in the grand scheme of things, it does not fit at all with what we've done in the previous titles. We should really change it before we record dialogue and animate it."

Modifié par Killer3000ad, 16 mars 2012 - 08:36 .

[Sellara]

The ending felt to me like I was watching the lord of the rings, it got to the battle of gondor, and then someone recorded over the rest with Pootie Tang.

[TcomJ]

 

[taloris]

But all ending negativity aside, this game had so many moments that my throat actually hurt because I either laughed or cried so much by the end. No other video game has managed to pull such a strong emotional response from me than the ME series.

Mordin calmly singing to himself when he gave his life to cure the Genophage. Legion doing the same for the sake of the Geth as a whole just as he became truly self aware. Making it seem as if Grunt died so Shepard could get her ass to safety after releasing the Rachni queen, which I would like to assume is the same one I released from Noveria (I cheered so hard when he came staggering back bloodied but alive). Seeing Jack caring and looking after all those students, such a change from that constantly angry, brooding pstchotic that she was before. Major Kirahee (or Thane, depending how your suicide mission went) taking the bullet to protect the Salarian Councillor... There are just so many to list them all.

I think a final face off with Harbinger to kick his metallic butt once and for all would have been nice, it felt as if there was no closure there from ME2. The absence of one last final boss fight was also a little anticlimactic. But again, this is supposed to be a positive post, not a negative one.

The random conversations as you walked around the Normandy were a nice touch to. Garrus sharing a few laughs with Joker in the cockpit or having that pissing contest with James in the mess hall were probably my two favourites (along with anything else involving Mr Vega).

Think I'm gonna stop there, otherwise this thing will end up half a mile long.

[JulienJaden]

I've come up with an adequate analogy for the Mass Effect 3 ending:

SolidisusSnake1 wrote...

Hold on, that's not 'my' analogy for the ending, but it illustrates the choices pretty well and it suited what came to my mind.

The equivalent to Mass Effect 3, if it was "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King" movie, would be like this:
Frodo picks one of these choices. Mount Doom explodes with Frodo right at its center, no way he could have survived that; depending on which you choose, Sauron explodes, too. His armies flee or die, and so might the humans. Don't imagine the entire scene as it is; think short sequences, since the entire think must not be longer than few minutes.
Now you see Sam, Frodo's closest friend and faithful companion, running through Mordor. He's so far away from Mount Doom that there's no way he could have gotten that far without abandoning Frodo before he made his choice. The lava catches up with him, so he climbs up on a small plateau that is, conveniently, covered with lush grass (which is damn near impossible to find in Mordor). And if you're lucky, you see Frodo on that rock, surrounded by lava, taking half a breath.
And now it cuts to credits.

That's The Lord of the Rings for you. It would suck, wouldn't it? Well: That's exactly how Mass Effect 3 is right now. Enjoy.