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[Fred_MacManus]

Sinapus wrote...

....when did Gainax take over Bioware?

Or, a better way to put it....

When did Bioware hire Anno Hideaki to lead their writing team?

(Sorry, but Gainax will always be associated with Gunbusty to me, as opposed to Anno, whose name defines betrayal of the audience.)

[thesmallearth]

Fuzzfro wrote...

My favourite moments were

Grunt taking on all those Rachni and surviving - absolutely Badass
Going to the top of the Presidium with Garrus
Mission on Palavan
Thresha Maw taking Down Reaper
Killing Udina
Mordin Sacrificing himself whilst singing "I am the very model of a scientist salarian"
Taking down The reaper on Rannoch
Learning about the Geth Origins in the cyberworld
Liara's timecapsule
Killing Kai Leng
Talking to Garrus before final mission

Just listing those make me remember how great the game was UNTIL THE ENDING
The ending needs to be fixed there are so many plotholes (listed throughout the Forums) and there is absolutely no closure.
I want little blue children with Liara and I want to watch Tali rebuild her homeworld, I want to see Wrex hold his newborn child and I want to lie on a beach with Garrus having a drink.

Man, that would have been a neat ending, seeing  Liara's and your children playing together with Wrex's next to a beach....on Tali's homeworld....and of course not forgetting Joker and Edi

[Exterminians]

I loved those games too much, playing hours and hours... I cried with Mordin's dead, I smiled with Jeff's jokes, it was an honor to fight with Garrus. Then I played the last 10 minutes... Bioware, you were the choosen one to recover my faith on videogames

[Fred_MacManus]

Rulycar wrote...

As you puke up your meal the waiter comes over and asks you what your favorite part of the meal was.
... How do you think people are going to respond?

QFT

[Erethrian]

Also, about the ending. I believed in the Indoctrination theory, because there's a lot that just don't fit.

Shepard's breathing in space without helmet! Come on, Bioware, you can't tell to me that you missed that!

[aya001]

I loved almost everything of the game.... until shepard got to that platform and meets that.... kid ¬¬. The endings sucks :S

[Omnike]

Erethrian wrote...

Also, about the ending. I believed in the Indoctrination theory, because there's a lot that just don't fit.

Shepard's breathing in space without helmet! Come on, Bioware, you can't tell to me that you missed that!

Wgile I agree that a lot doesn't fit, I think the breathing is excusable. I assume that the whole citadel isn't disfunctional, so it probably was able to maintain its atmosphere.

[zeta47]

I used to be a fan of ME , then I saw the endings of ME....

[Erethrian]

Erethrian wrote...

Also, about the ending. I believed in the Indoctrination theory, because there's a lot that just don't fit.

Shepard's breathing in space without helmet! Come on, Bioware, you can't tell to me that you missed that!

Oh, and Shep doesn't need magnet. boots this time? Is there an invisible shield or something over his/her head? Because I can't see anything like that...

[thesmallearth]

zeta47 wrote...

I used to be a fan of ME , then I saw the endings of ME....

LOL....that bloody arrow almost made an appeareance again....  

[Erethrian]

Omnike wrote...

Erethrian wrote...

Also, about the ending. I believed in the Indoctrination theory, because there's a lot that just don't fit.

Shepard's breathing in space without helmet! Come on, Bioware, you can't tell to me that you missed that!

Wgile I agree that a lot doesn't fit, I think the breathing is excusable. I assume that the whole citadel isn't disfunctional, so it probably was able to maintain its atmosphere.

I thought the same but, there's no walls on the way to the crucible. When I look over Shepard's head I just see the void and the Earth...

[Byleth]

For me the whole serie is brillant but ruined by the endings.

As for Mordin, he didn't die in my first playthrough

[Mithrawn]

I didn't realize how much I loved these games until it ended.....I really need closure. I'm obsessed.

[PandaThing]

The view of Palaven
The death of the Illusive man
Finally standing in the bloody sun room
Sticking it to Kia Ling (although space ninjas are stupid)
Leaving Thessia
The Krogan Female (she just had that 'Whatever you say m'am' voice)
The Geth dreadnoght ('she gave you turian chocolate?')

Everything before the Elevator

[Jarradane]

I would have liked the ending more if Shepard died with Anderson, and the visions of the squad happened while he was fighting to stay conscious.
Then the game would have been perfect for me.

[Mcfly616]

I really just expected the end to follow the same outline of ME2's suicide mission just on a bigger scale. The choices you make during the game and final mission determine who lives and who dies....I expected my choices throughout the series to have consequences in Mass Effect 3. And they did. However, all the work you do and choices you make within Mass Effect 3, have no consequences or bearing on the current ending....
There should be numerous variations in the final cutscene.
There's so many variables that could be applied. All the races and their homeworlds. The love interests. The squad. Happy endings where Shep lives, the absolute worst ending where Shep dies and Reapers win,
multiple bittersweet endings where he could die yet save everybody by doing so,
or he lives and loses squadmates and certain species.

Short clips of the homeworlds I did or didn't save and the worlds I couldn't save. If they survived, it should give a hint of life prospering. If they didn't it should show their homeworlds charred.

It should show clips of what became of the squadmates that survived. And no, the crap with the Normandy crashing on Gilligans Planet and then having the exact same squadmate that was with me when HAMMER TEAM GOT DECIMATED, steps out of the Normandy unscathed or anything? Not acceptable.

I expected to have my final showdown with Harbinger after all that smack he was talking from light years away, now we come face to face and no battle?...this couldnt have been any more anti-climactic than it is right now.

These two points directly above I find completely unacceptable.

There should be a scene with Shepard(if he lives) and the surviving squadmates getting War Medals and being honored by the Council(think like the end of Star Wars: A New Hope)

And for gods sake, yes relationships were amazing in ME3 but can't you throw a bone to the players that find the love interest relationships to be there favorite part of the game?! Maybe in the ending where Shep lives, the last scene could be him and his love interest together looking out to the horizon or the stars, then zoom out to show a view of the milky way....fade to black....

and maybe give a bonus to those that were loyal to their love interest throughout the series and show their love interest with a baby bump or with child....that would def be a wink to Liara fans after all that blue baby talk. and think of the impact of such a scene would have if in fact your Shepard didn't survive, and they show his love interest pregnant, essentially carrying on his legacy. Showing little blue children would be nothing to complain about, I'd more than ecstatic if that happened. But I'd prefer what I stated above. L.I. with child carrying Sheps legacy. Or them looking at the stars and settling down to be a family. All depending on Sheps survival.

Everything I stated above I wholeheartedly EXPECTED of the game. Except for the love interest being with child, that was just wishful thinking and something I think would be quite a nice touch. But all the other things, surviving squad members, surviving species and homeworlds, War Medals, Harbinger confrontation. I expected nothing less than all of this.

I will say the ending as is, I don't view it as reality. I don't consider myself an indoctrination theorist although I believe it to be highly plausible. What I do believe however is that Shepard is unconscious from the moment when he gets hit by Harbingers beam, up until the moment he inhales in the concrete rubble in the last scene. I just don't see the last 10 minutes to be reality due to several things I wont begin to list. The last 10 minutes were a classic Bioware twist and I suspect they already have the ending, and just withheld it from the final release, for motives I cannot explain. (Sort of like the From Ashes dlc)...I would expect them to release it shortly....but if I'm wrong, and they develop alternate endings based on player feedback, I would actually be turned off by it. I want Biowares story. I don't want them to cater to my wishes or wants. I just have supreme confidence that if they in fact did withold the true ending, that it would fulfill my expectations

[MGakaMoogie]

mahlerbone wrote...



seems to be how a lot of people feel

^
This is the story of what has become of my life, I go to college with my friends and the topic always comes up about Mass Effect 3 and how disappointed we are in the ending; the negative feelings we get from this lead up to other things that bother us such as the DLC along with the Photoshop stock image of Tali off of some royalty free website. I've had friends say "I have lost all hope in Bioware" after the discussions we've had.

So this topic that is "addressing the endings" answers none of our
questions, making Bioware sound as if they are not quite interested in making
it a priority to improve the situation with fans and consumers that obviously
needs fixed.

Modifié par MGakaMoogie, 16 mars 2012 - 09:01 .

[nikola8]

I loved the whole game, including the ending (and I know I'm in the 11% - a poll I recently read suggests 89% of players dislike the ending). Whether you like or hate the ending, it is sure creating a lot of controversy/discussion. Following the idea that "any publicity is good publicity", I'm sure Bioware is loving these discussions about the ending.

As for the best part in the game, to me, it was taking down a Reaper virtually single handed on Rannoch. Using a Thresher Maw on Tuchanka was cool, then the game promptly one-upped itself with the Rannoch scene. While it wasn't the hardest fight of the game, it was quite rewarding - absolutely awesome.

[Erethrian]

ULS 980 wrote...

kaotician wrote...

kw0lf wrote...

I'm not sure the child can be thought of as part of indoctrination ... on Thessia, the Prothean would not have talked to Shepard if he/she was indoctrinated (it immediately identified KL as an indoctrinated presence).

Did it? I'm not so sure Kai Leng was the one it meant, that whole scene played out (deliberately) ambiguously, to hide the truth from us but to give us a clue at the same time. Kai Leng isn't indoctrinated. Sure, he's had (likely) Reaper inflected mods fitted, but they've been manufactured by TIM. Why would they cause indoctrination too? Only TIM has Reaper mods directly fitted, as we see in the video scenes on the Cerberus base.

The VI agrees to interface with Shepard's suit or something (after Shepard asks what the Catalyst is) and then turns around directing his attention towards Kai Leng when he says "Indoctrinated presence detected".

It's definitely Kai Leng who's indoctrinated in that scene.

However, in TIM's lab, the fact that the VI responds to Shepard with "Security Protocols overridden, I will comply" (implying it wouldn't comply if it's security protocols were not overridden) I think could be some juicy info.

Why "Security protocols overridden if he's not being indoctrinated at the time? Meh... :/

[darkshadow136]

 I think part of the anger with some if not many of us is in recent years it has become a trend with Game developers to release games in what I like to call Beta versions, and then they patch them for weeks sometimes months so they work the way they should on all platforms, we have seen this also with previous Bioware releases.

The release of ME3 though was different, for me at least. I found the game very smooth to play all the way through, maybe a few glitches here and there but overall in comparison to what I've seen in recent years ME3 was a real solid finished feel release with just a few bugs, at least on PC. Which makes me feel the ending which people think was rushed, I think was meant to be the way it is. Like I said before if they did this for PR it backfired, if they did this to sell us on ending DLC or Multiplayer DLC They failed at least with many of us.

I even heard a rumor that they ended the game the way they did in order to make it easier to funnel people into a future Mass effect MMO. Like I said that is a rumor and I almost didn't mention it since There is no real evidence to it other then hearsay.

Nonetheless I'm sure many besides myself are just emotionally numb with anger on the side, and if Bioware does not really fix this, instead of just really listening, many will just make a decision with their wallets.

We need a real commitment made by Bioware that they are going to fix this issue instead of just giving us lip service, attempt to put out fires to calm anger so this ME3 problem just goes away without themselves having to deliver on what they promised this game would be as a final to the trilogy.

I think the bottom line is this if you wanted to make a linear game all 3 ME games should have been crafted that way, you crafted 2 games with your choices matter, craft your Sheppard, shape your own ME experence and galaxy, and pushed the same talk prior to release of ME3 in gaming amgazines etc. Then in the last 15 minutes you take all the coices that were supposed to have an impact, and a shapping effect on the ending away, You took what was supposed to be an interactive gaming experience that was took 5 years to create it all, with multiple play throughs and diffent paths taken, and destrioyed it in 15 minutes.

Whatever you reasons for making this decision, you were wrong in doing it. admit it, fix it, and move on. All the polls, waiting for more feedback, and listening is not going to make this go away, change the results, or gain the trust of your customers. Taking action and doing the right thing will. Think of it  Bioware now you are Sheppard, and your Loyality mission is to fix the endings to gain our Loyality back, and then together we will battle the Reapers in the future.

Shepp up Bioware

Holding  The Line

[Mychosis]

Mass Effect 1 ended and my first thought was " i need to play that again and see what i missed"
Mass Effect 2 ended and my first thought was " i need to play both games again and see what i can do differently"
Mass Effect 3 ended and my first thought was " i cant believe i wasted all those hours trying to change things when none of it ever mattered"
now dont get me wrong, the rest of the game was brilliant, beautiful and alive, but did you outsource the ending?

Modifié par Mychosis, 16 mars 2012 - 08:52 .

[Scott Uhl]

loved pretty much everything until shepard is teleported to the citadel at the end, y'all must've not known how to wrap up a thus far excellent story. other complaints: 1) kei leng character was pointless, and 2) hate hate freakin hate how shepard gets "sucked" to cover and walls all the time during combat and especially when trying to sprint away from an enemy.

[Damien Crow]

http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/

This page does a great job of summing up people's frustrations with the endings of ME3. I honestly don't know what you were thinking. I don't know how you can see the endings as they exist as good or in any way consistent with anything you've done with the Mass Effect series. This combined with the cheapness of your Tali's face solution makes it feel like you just ran out of time and slapped some stuff together to get it out the door, or that you just didn't care. Your staff also keeps commenting that you have a lot more on the way. If you have something planned that does something different with the ending, I'd suggest getting it out as soon as possible because you seem to be bleeding fans by the second. I have loved everything about Mass Effect thus far and that end completely took the wind out of my sails.

[pottypenguin]

Bioware you did something no other medium has been able to pull off. You gave us an Icon in the vain of The Master Chief, Gordan Freeman, Harry Poter, Sherlock holmes, Batman, Tony Soprano, etc. with The Shepard. But, unlike all those other icons you gave your customers a feeling of deep ownership and ivestment of The Shepard. We built The Shepard in our image male, female, black, or white. You made us feel as heroes, gave us choices, and promised they would have meaning. On top of that you created a wonderful universe to explore and characters in which we formed strong connections to as if they were physical flesh; not polygons, textures, animations, code, and voice work.

For that you should be very proud , however, for some reason you broke that deep relationship between your fans (not all but many) and the wonderful universe you created in ten minutes of whatever that was. An attempt at high brow philosophy, an April fools joke, or maybe a DLC cash in. We don’t know because you won’t tell us. The simple fact is you took control away and left us without any clear closure. Again, beyond wild speculation we don’t know why.

I know this is just a game and I know there are more important things in real life. The thing is that life is often depressing and s****y and I didn’t need to invest hundreds of hours and hundreds dollars to be reminded of that. I get enough of that by being an obsessed socially minded progressive who’s absorbed with our broken corrupt political system. And like many other people I just need to look at my life at times.

You and your fan base have had mutual beneficial relationship. You provide a classic experience, blissful escapism, and a feeling of worthy investment. For this you have received the satisfaction of producing a wonderful product, a rabid fan base, accolades in your medium, and healthy profits. In fact you have been able to extend the world and profits through DLC, albums, comic books, books, and merchandise. You have further plans such as a movie, animated series and a continuation of the previous listed. The problem now is that you have created a disconnect between your fan base and the Mass Effect IP.

How do you fix this? I don’t know? But, sticking your head in the sand or by using self justification and validation from the gaming media that has a unique dependency (unlike any other medium) on the developers they rely on for advertising, exclusives, and swag will not help. Stop the silence in hopes it will all blow over, because the harm of silence may cost more than you are willing to except. This is not a minority issue of the discontent being the loudest or just present on these forums. Take a look around the internet, on all the various gaming forums, and you’ll see a majority consensuses of dissatisfaction.

The thing is you created such a great universe that many people have become so attached to that the ending(s) have had an actual negative affect on people. Depression, anger, racing thoughts, sleeplessness, denial, etc. That’s a powerful statement but one that should have you reflecting on your future actions. Just think of the two most current popular book movie tie ins, Harry Potter and The Twilight series (ugh). Can you imagine the outcry if they left their fan base without the fan service, a sense of closer, and an ending that seems so convoluted , refracted, and out of place for that universe. Well that’s what you did while taking away our sense of investment and reneging on “our actions would count for something.”

I imagine you feel that you, the team, and your creation is being attacked. I imagine in some cases those attacks have gone too far and personal. For that I am sorry. Just don’t get stuck in the rut of self justification and try to find a way to resolve it in a way to gain some integrity and appeases and expand as much of your fan base as you can. From what I have already experienced from this series I have faith that you can pull it off if you can minimize ego and self destructive pride. If not well good luck because I’ve already distanced myself from the series as many others have and will continue to. It’s not too late yet.

P.S. Make it so we can reasonably access enough resources to get any ending without resorting to multiplayer. Where I live I only have access to expensive bandwidth limited 3g.