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[lofte_2000]

BioWare said no post-ending DLC right? So we expected closure with all these different plots and storylines within the game therefore no need for DLC to end the story but what we got wasn't an ending, there was no closure - as far as I can see there was only one character that recieved that treatment.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Zin wrote...

SonosI wrote...

Zin wrote...

SonosI wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

TheRealMithril wrote...

SonosI wrote...

Mikko182 wrote...

BioWare, please change the ending. I still have faith in you.

BioWare please DONT change the ending. I still have faith in you.

I agree, don't. Either add to it, or remove it entirely.

Right...remove it and replace it with something better...

No, leave well enough alone.
the ending was awesome - not predictable.
Props BioWare - ignore the haters.

No. Fix the ending. The 10% are wusses who don't care or are too lazy to demand better things in life.


Also, even Bioware is telling them now the current ending sucks because the DLC "The truth" is coming out. Which sort of proves that the current ending is too stupid to leave as it is.

really, Don't fix the ending - i loved it, and by adding more to the game it takes away from the fact i enjoyed the ending.

Bioware says that's not the real ending. You're happy with an unfinished ending. Good. Go away and pretend the DLC never happened.

Not the real ending? Where did you get that information from?

[SonosI]

omgBAMF wrote...

SonosI wrote...
really, Don't fix the ending - i loved it, and by adding more to the game it takes away from the fact i enjoyed the ending.

I'm going to assume that your Shep doesn't care about his squadmates or got every one of them killed at some point during the trilogy.  That would be the only logical explanation as to why someone wouldn't care about what happens to them afterwards. Shepard sacrificing himself is fine, but to completely ignore the others in the aftermath is just depressing (or lazy).

Something as simple as a cut scene showing your LI helping to rebuild on Earth or their home planet and then stopping to look longingly at a pic of Shep... only to be interrupted by a child's laugh as he/she comes running into the house would be great for closure (ofc, this would only truly work if you played as manshep).  The point is that you would see that all of your sacrifces meant something to those that you loved and those that loved you. 

My shep survived, i saw my LI and fav squad mate get out the Normandy at the end - what more could i ask for?
you people are greedy.

[Ohpus]

It's great that Bioware is listening. But then they said the same thing about DA II. Don't tell me. Show me.

[Vergil_dgk]

SonosI wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

TheRealMithril wrote...

SonosI wrote...

Mikko182 wrote...

BioWare, please change the ending. I still have faith in you.

BioWare please DONT change the ending. I still have faith in you.

I agree, don't. Either add to it, or remove it entirely.

Right...remove it and replace it with something better...

No, leave well enough alone.
the ending was awesome - not predictable.
Props BioWare - ignore the haters.

Do you really think the conversation with starboy was awesome? I thought it was god-awful. I was expecting Shepard to die and was ok with that, but those last five minutes will probably go down as some of the most disappointing in gaming history.

[Zin]

Modifié par Zin, 16 mars 2012 - 12:04 .

[omgBAMF]

SonosI wrote...

omgBAMF wrote...

SonosI wrote...
really, Don't fix the ending - i loved it, and by adding more to the game it takes away from the fact i enjoyed the ending.

I'm going to assume that your Shep doesn't care about his squadmates or got every one of them killed at some point during the trilogy.  That would be the only logical explanation as to why someone wouldn't care about what happens to them afterwards. Shepard sacrificing himself is fine, but to completely ignore the others in the aftermath is just depressing (or lazy).

Something as simple as a cut scene showing your LI helping to rebuild on Earth or their home planet and then stopping to look longingly at a pic of Shep... only to be interrupted by a child's laugh as he/she comes running into the house would be great for closure (ofc, this would only truly work if you played as manshep).  The point is that you would see that all of your sacrifces meant something to those that you loved and those that loved you. 

My shep survived, i saw my LI and fav squad mate get out the Normandy at the end - what more could i ask for?
you people are greedy.

But then what happens AFTER they land?  This is the entire point.  Their future is left to the imagination which doesn't do justice to their entire story through the 3 games.

Not to mention, what about everyone else that was on your team? Do they not matter either?  What about the futures of the ME2 guys?  Does Jacob survive to see his first child and become the father he never had?  Can Miranda finally stop running and enjoy a future with Oriana? Etc, etc, etc....

Modifié par omgBAMF, 16 mars 2012 - 12:08 .

[Zin]

Through Bioware's silly hints, twitter comments, the secret ending where Shepard is breathing in London, where they now ask for fan feedback of what fans like to see as an ending. Fan influence did decide DLC for mass effect 2 and other things in their game.

For someone who likes an unfinished ending with just 'hints' you're not very good at piecing things together. The art of trolling is strong with you.

Modifié par Zin, 16 mars 2012 - 12:06 .

[linsanity]

Not a threat, just a sad fact. If dlc comes out that attempts to explain or elaborate on this disastrous ending: that's the final nail in the coffin. I don't care how good DA3 might be. I just honestly could not ever bring myself to buy another Bioware product.

If something comes out that changes the ending (maybe indoctrination theory?) then with time and healing I will once again hold the banner for Bioware promoting just how good they can be at what they do.

Please choose well Bioware, and end this pain for all of us.

[soulexn7]

why not blow up the citadel since the catalyst controls the reapers and lives in it?
just saying

[subi211]

TL:DR on this thread obviously (138 pages as I start to write this, I don’t envy you, whoever has to read this ) so apologies for repetition.

Yes, I was massively disappointed with the ending.  My opinion on the way the plot panned out and the lack of choice is broadly the same as everyone else’s.  For a good overview, see articles such as these, as there’s no need for me to repeat what they say:

http://www.gamefront...-fans-are-right

http://www.rockpaper...end-of-an-epic/

However, I would like to talk about how the ending made me feel.

For context, I played all three games, all the DLC (although there was some of the DLC for the first game that I couldn’t find), read all the novels and all the comics (apart from Deception – still waiting on the fixes).  I was quite heavily invested in the Mass Effect story and universe.  I’ve had one character (FemShep) throughout and she’s gone through each game at least twice, staying Paragon and with Liara.  I tried to start other characters, but it never felt right.

For my first playthough, I went for Casual and didn’t get the Ashes DLC.  I wanted to know how the story ended as quickly as possible to avoid any possibility of spoilers.  Over the weekend I charged through the game, but still ended up with enough EMS to get all three choices at the end.

At first, I even got confused as to which choice was which.  I meant to take Anderson’s, but accidentally took TIM’s because it was blue.  When the ending had played out I went back to the last autosave (the start of the crawl towards the beam) and tried the other two endings.

After that, I honestly just stared at the screen for a while.  Even the crassness of the final message box didn’t really register.  Emotionally I felt that I was left hanging - in fact, it was the same feeling I get when I get dumped.  And the simple fact is that I don’t play games to feel like crap at the end of them.

In the end, I wanted all that invested effort and time to provide some sort of uplifting payoff.  Yes, I wanted FemShep and Liara to have their little house on the beach and lots of blue babies.  I know it sounds naff, but there’s a reason things become cliché – because they’re popular, and as human being we will seek out things that make us feel good.

The sheer emotional crash I had at the end shows that the rest of the game, like the rest of the series, did its job admirably.  I definitely choked up a few time during it.  The ending just feels so, so wrong and different it’s jarring.

It didn’t plunge me into depression or anything like that, and I started on my second, more thorough playthough (+iOS app) after a few hours and some lunch.  Letting ten minutes ruin 100+ hours of story across several media is just silly (I’d never read another Robert Rankin novel again if I thought like that).  But when I went to buy the Ashes DLC I just... didn’t bother.  I got as far as putting the points for it in my basket, but I couldn’t see the point of clicking the checkout button.  It felt futile.

So, new ending DLC?  Yes please.

Modifié par subi211, 16 mars 2012 - 12:09 .

[mastercheif-117]

I'd say that you guys ended the major arcs in Mass Effect supremely well.

Mordin sacrificing himself to reverse the genophage, dying a proud Salarian scientist. The resplendent sight of the cure enshrouding Tuchanka, showering the Krogans with hope for a future. Sifting through the collective Geth memory and seeing for myself the inherent innocence (I use this loosely) of the AI armada. Legion (for me) pleading with Shepard and the Quarian fleet, bookmarking his speech with the rhetorical question: "Does this unit, have a soul?" Taking down the damn Reaper on Rannoch! I really can't decide between these few epic moments!

These moments weren't just some of the most stunning and sublime moments in gaming, but arguably in all modern media. I mean honestly, what film in recent memory was able to evoke the kind of sentiment that Mordin's or Legion's/Tali's death did? For me, if BioWare really did end the franchise as it were currently, I wouldn't remember the game for it's ending, I'd remember finishing Mordin's song with a "a scientist salarian" while all choked up. 

[TheRealMithril]

SonosI wrote...


My shep survived, i saw my LI and fav squad mate get out the Normandy at the end - what more could i ask for?
you people are greedy.

Greedy for what? That we don't have an ending, and want one? 

Great that you love what you got though.

[eternalshiva]

If the indoctrination theory is correct, ME3 is the most brilliant game I've ever played. Hands down and kudos to BioWare for completely immersing me to the point they Indroctated ME at the end and feeling completely helpless to make Shepard see reason against the indoctrination.

If it's all just smoke and mirrors and it's a desperate attempt from fans to make sense of the ending, well - I have nothing to say more on the subject, I would need an epilogue. The endings are fine, as long as there's an epilogue and I think that's what the core of this game needs.

Indoctrination = brilliant and MIND BLOWN.
No epilogue (text or cs) = worst idea ever, unsatisfying and heart-breaking.

The first impression is always important, but so is the last and right now, despite the fact the game was beautiful, wonderful and amazing, the last impression left in my gut with this overly kryptic ending is wiping out my journey.

Maybe the writers were trying to be subtle on hints of indoctrination, but you were TOO subtle, the point got missed. If you have to explain the punch line, there was a miscommunication somewhere and that should be looked at.

My last impression could go either way right now I could worship the ground you walk on or completely forget BW exists and move on with my money.

[SonosI]

omgBAMF wrote...

SonosI wrote...

omgBAMF wrote...

SonosI wrote...
really, Don't fix the ending - i loved it, and by adding more to the game it takes away from the fact i enjoyed the ending.

I'm going to assume that your Shep doesn't care about his squadmates or got every one of them killed at some point during the trilogy.  That would be the only logical explanation as to why someone wouldn't care about what happens to them afterwards. Shepard sacrificing himself is fine, but to completely ignore the others in the aftermath is just depressing (or lazy).

Something as simple as a cut scene showing your LI helping to rebuild on Earth or their home planet and then stopping to look longingly at a pic of Shep... only to be interrupted by a child's laugh as he/she comes running into the house would be great for closure (ofc, this would only truly work if you played as manshep).  The point is that you would see that all of your sacrifces meant something to those that you loved and those that loved you. 

My shep survived, i saw my LI and fav squad mate get out the Normandy at the end - what more could i ask for?
you people are greedy.

But then what happens AFTER they land?  This is the entire point.  Their future is left to the imagination which doesn't do justice to their entire story through the 3 games.

Does it really matter?
what happened to Sam Gamgee after Frodo sailed off into the west?
what happened to Master Chief (although that is now not a good example)
what happened to the guys at the end of the Italian Job - when they are on the cliff edge?!

Everyone is grasping at straws, the series is over - and some people can't come to terms with that.

[Lost Cenobite]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.
 
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

So basically stop talking about how much of a screw up we made and tell us how awesome our game is?

Talking about the best moments of the game is almost pointless as there are so many. Just about anything before the last ten minutes falls under "Favorite Moment" and it's not the problem. people should not suddenly stop talking about the ending and focus on only the good points as the fact so many are focued on how bad the ending is an indicator in and of itself how much they liked the rest of the game and series.

[mastercheif-117]

 Come on guys, Chris was asking for favourite moments, irregardless of the ending. The ending's jarring, but even on a single thread you guys can't look past the ending for a few moments and remember the positive qualities of ME3?

[TheRevanchist]

Angry Joe has spoken!

[Catroi]

SonosI wrote...

omgBAMF wrote...

SonosI wrote...
really, Don't fix the ending - i loved it, and by adding more to the game it takes away from the fact i enjoyed the ending.

I'm going to assume that your Shep doesn't care about his squadmates or got every one of them killed at some point during the trilogy.  That would be the only logical explanation as to why someone wouldn't care about what happens to them afterwards. Shepard sacrificing himself is fine, but to completely ignore the others in the aftermath is just depressing (or lazy).

Something as simple as a cut scene showing your LI helping to rebuild on Earth or their home planet and then stopping to look longingly at a pic of Shep... only to be interrupted by a child's laugh as he/she comes running into the house would be great for closure (ofc, this would only truly work if you played as manshep).  The point is that you would see that all of your sacrifces meant something to those that you loved and those that loved you. 

My shep survived, i saw my LI and fav squad mate get out the Normandy at the end - what more could i ask for?
you people are greedy.

Can you explain me how your L.I and squadmate teleport aboard the normandy?
Anderson specified that their would be no air support

[mkgregory]

SonosI wrote:

Does it really matter?
what happened to Sam Gamgee after Frodo sailed off into the west?
what happened to Master Chief (although that is now not a good example)
what happened to the guys at the end of the Italian Job - when they are on the cliff edge?!

Everyone is grasping at straws, the series is over - and some people can't come to terms with that.

He likes the ending folks. I don't but he's perfectly entitled to his opinion and arguing about it achieves zilch.

Move along, nothing to see here.

Modifié par mkgregory, 16 mars 2012 - 12:14 .

[get_this]

Favorite moments: so many! Blasto, Mordin's end, finding out about how the geth conflict evolved, meeting old squad members and so on! You really did great work with ME3 and also with its predecessors. But please(!) keep on that good work and provide us with a fitting and propper which is worthy of all your statements.

All along ME was about the players choice, the players freedom. And yeah especially for ME3 you guys promised us many different individual endings. I really, really love Mass Effect - all parts of it. Furthermore I really enjoyed playing Mass Effect 3, with all it's details, emotions, jokes, references to the past. Even many of my decisions have an effect
on how my game expirience in ME3 is.

Due to all those fact (the game's greatness and possibilities), i played the games all over again. Spent hundreds of hours of my life enyoing the franchise and fell in love with it. But with that current ending, which leaves nearly everything open - you broke my heart

You promised us the closure all of used expected and have been longing for. And what did we get (so far): vagueness and way to much room for interpretation. Much worse: in my humble opinion the current "ending" is only suitable as Shepard's inner fight againt reaper indoctrination. I really find this approach to show the player what indoctrination really means by indoctrinating him/her in front of the screen by manipulating you into give up the fight against the reapers (by convincing you of choosing control or synthesis) is a really, really epic moment. But afterwards there is something missing   Otherwise the ending in it's current form (without that indoctrination theory) would be senseless / there would be many plotholes (see different hallucination theories).

I have no problem with Shepard dying, or even losing the fight against the reapers (in fact i prefer "sad" endnings) -  as long as it would be presented in a way, which would make sense(!). Thus, the only thing really want to see is what happend to my squad members and to which result my decisions throughout ME 1+2+3 would lead in the end.

Excuse my bad English.

Modifié par get_this, 16 mars 2012 - 01:42 .

[SonosI]

Catroi wrote...

SonosI wrote...

omgBAMF wrote...

SonosI wrote...
really, Don't fix the ending - i loved it, and by adding more to the game it takes away from the fact i enjoyed the ending.

I'm going to assume that your Shep doesn't care about his squadmates or got every one of them killed at some point during the trilogy.  That would be the only logical explanation as to why someone wouldn't care about what happens to them afterwards. Shepard sacrificing himself is fine, but to completely ignore the others in the aftermath is just depressing (or lazy).

Something as simple as a cut scene showing your LI helping to rebuild on Earth or their home planet and then stopping to look longingly at a pic of Shep... only to be interrupted by a child's laugh as he/she comes running into the house would be great for closure (ofc, this would only truly work if you played as manshep).  The point is that you would see that all of your sacrifces meant something to those that you loved and those that loved you. 

My shep survived, i saw my LI and fav squad mate get out the Normandy at the end - what more could i ask for?
you people are greedy.

Can you explain me how your L.I and squadmate teleport aboard the normandy?
Anderson specified that their would be no air support

How long was Shep on the Citadel? yes 8 minutes to you, but how long game time, perfectly logical they got onboard.

[Alsuras]

What happened to Sam Gamgee?

After the War of the Ring, Sam married Rose "Rosie" Cotton and moved to Bag End with Frodo. Sam and Rosie had thirteen children: Elanor the Fair, Frodo, Rose, Merry, Pippin, Goldilocks, Hamfast, Daisy, Primrose, Bilbo, Ruby, Robin, and Tolman (Tom). Sam was elected Mayor of the Shire for seven consecutive seven-year terms and came to be known as Samwise Gardner.
After Sam and Rose's first child was born it was revealed that Frodo would leave Middle-earth, along with Bilbo (Sam's old hero), Gandalf and most of the remaining High Elves (Wood Elves had no part of this exodus from Middle-Earth), for the Undying Lands. Before Frodo left, he gave the estate of Bag End to Sam, as well as the Red Book of Westmarch for Sam to continue, hinting that Sam might also be allowed to travel into the West eventually.
After the death of his wife in the year 62 of the Fourth Age (Shire Reckoning 1482), Sam entrusted the Red Book to Elanor and left the Shire at the age of 102. He was not seen again in Middle-earth, but Elanor and her descendants preserved the tradition that he went to the Grey Havens and sailed into the West. As the last of the Ring-bearers, he was entitled to sail across the Sea and be reunited with Frodo in the Undying Lands.

[omgBAMF]

SonosI wrote...

omgBAMF wrote...

SonosI wrote...

omgBAMF wrote...

SonosI wrote...
really, Don't fix the ending - i loved it, and by adding more to the game it takes away from the fact i enjoyed the ending.

I'm going to assume that your Shep doesn't care about his squadmates or got every one of them killed at some point during the trilogy.  That would be the only logical explanation as to why someone wouldn't care about what happens to them afterwards. Shepard sacrificing himself is fine, but to completely ignore the others in the aftermath is just depressing (or lazy).

Something as simple as a cut scene showing your LI helping to rebuild on Earth or their home planet and then stopping to look longingly at a pic of Shep... only to be interrupted by a child's laugh as he/she comes running into the house would be great for closure (ofc, this would only truly work if you played as manshep).  The point is that you would see that all of your sacrifces meant something to those that you loved and those that loved you. 

My shep survived, i saw my LI and fav squad mate get out the Normandy at the end - what more could i ask for?
you people are greedy.

But then what happens AFTER they land?  This is the entire point.  Their future is left to the imagination which doesn't do justice to their entire story through the 3 games.

Does it really matter?
what happened to Sam Gamgee after Frodo sailed off into the west?
what happened to Master Chief (although that is now not a good example)
what happened to the guys at the end of the Italian Job - when they are on the cliff edge?!

Everyone is grasping at straws, the series is over - and some people can't come to terms with that.

One major flaw in that logic... you are comparing movies to a game.  You are only a spectator when watching a movie, but you actually have personal (albeit virtual) interaction with the characters in a game (esp ME).

As far as Sam in LotR, didn't he finally get the nerve to marry that one hobbit after they get back to the Shire?  There's his closure... happy ever after with the girl he always admired.
edit- Alsuras said it plainly

Modifié par omgBAMF, 16 mars 2012 - 12:14 .

[TheRealMithril]

 

 
Does it really matter?
what happened to Sam Gamgee after Frodo sailed off into the west?
what happened to Master Chief (although that is now not a good example)
what happened to the guys at the end of the Italian Job - when they are on the cliff edge?!

Everyone is grasping at straws, the series is over - and some people can't come to terms with that.

...your opinion is noted.