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On the Mass Effect 3 endings. Yes, we are listening.


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#3476
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subi211 wrote...
After that, I honestly just stared at the screen for a while.  Even the crassness of the final message box didn’t really register.  Emotionally I felt that I was left hanging - in fact, it was the same feeling I get when I get dumped.  And the simple fact is that I don’t play games to feel like crap at the end of them.



And ain't that the truth. Who came up with this glorious idea that games nowadays have to end with crushing defeat and loss of hope?

Getting the best possible ending through the skill with which you play, that used to be what gaming was about.

When I finish a game I want to feel good, maybe even proud of what I accomplished inside the games universe.

I don't want to feel empty and devastated.

#3477
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The humor, in general I like the game, but I didn't expect it to be as funny as it was.

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I was ecstatic about finishing the game quickly when I saw the news about all the hate of the ending. I truly hope they can fix it and bring us DLC's and all that for a "true" ending. I was waiting for it with DA2 but it didn't come, ME3 should be different.

Love the game so far, best game ever.

#3479
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SonosI wrote...

omgBAMF wrote...

SonosI wrote...

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SonosI wrote...
really, Don't fix the ending - i loved it, and by adding more to the game it takes away from the fact i enjoyed the ending.

I'm going to assume that your Shep doesn't care about his squadmates or got every one of them killed at some point during the trilogy.  That would be the only logical explanation as to why someone wouldn't care about what happens to them afterwards. Shepard sacrificing himself is fine, but to completely ignore the others in the aftermath is just depressing (or lazy).

Something as simple as a cut scene showing your LI helping to rebuild on Earth or their home planet and then stopping to look longingly at a pic of Shep... only to be interrupted by a child's laugh as he/she comes running into the house would be great for closure (ofc, this would only truly work if you played as manshep).  The point is that you would see that all of your sacrifces meant something to those that you loved and those that loved you. 

My shep survived, i saw my LI and fav squad mate get out the Normandy at the end - what more could i ask for?
you people are greedy.

But then what happens AFTER they land?  This is the entire point.  Their future is left to the imagination which doesn't do justice to their entire story through the 3 games.


Does it really matter?
what happened to Sam Gamgee after Frodo sailed off into the west?
what happened to Master Chief (although that is now not a good example)
what happened to the guys at the end of the Italian Job - when they are on the cliff edge?!

Everyone is grasping at straws, the series is over - and some people can't come to terms with that.


Sam lived a happy live together with his wife and kids and became a well loved and respected hobbit.

READ THE BOOKS!! (Although even the movies DC shows parts of it).

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Chris Priestly wrote...

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.
 
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?


When you guys decided to insult everyone out here by telling us "we just don't get it" through Twitter and elsewhere. Good work.

#3481
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Yeah that's another thing, someone complained earlier about Illusive Man being Saren version 2.0, but there IS NOTHING wrong with that. Being able to kill a boss with words and having it play out differently is exactly what people want, too have that 5 minutes later..../broken record

Gonig to start a new Insanity Level game now, typed all I could type

#3482
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No matter what you do BW I'll buy all your stuff! I'm loyal till the very end! Also as a side note I loved the ending I didn't see it coming at all!! I watch alot!!! Of moives and tv and web tv and played alot! Of games so no matter how im viewing media my mind is always thinking what will happen next based on all the evidence prior and 99.9% of the time i unfortunately get it right so its not really exciting but OMG ME3 WAS!! I loved all of it I don't think I've stopped and thought about a decision in game as long as I did the final one it was a hauntingly beautiful decision to make I can't even begin to imagine the amount of stress among many other states and emotions that Sheppard must have been feeling id certainly try but I don't think id stay sane very long if I had to make that decision IRL so I adored the actual ending to the game but I was a little confused about the aftermath I just want to no what happened to my crew that's it! I think you should have ended it like you did the DA games with text bubbles just letting us no what happened in the following years it felt more like a cliffhanger than an actual ending just because I don't no what happened to my crew so while im happy no matter which direction you guys go im really hoping you planned all this I hope this not just the end of Sheppards story but the beginning of an entirely new set of ME games

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(My Views on the ending)

On analysing the ending even more. The endings just do not make sense at all. In every ending the Mass Relays are destroyed, which robs the galaxy or all critical technology. And in the Arrival DLC in ME2. Blowing up a Mass Relay was enough to replicate a supernova, So Shepard has just condemned more people to death than what the Reapers would probably have done. With no way to get out of the systems, (Provided that they survived) Everyone is stranded and Shepard has condemned them to extinction.

In regards to Jokers mad dash to escape the blast:

At the beginning of the final mission, every single squad member travels down to earth with you. Whichever two you chose to accompany you to the Conduit are with you during the final push when you’re blasted by Harbinger. That blast nearly kills you and Anderson. It can only be assumed – again, we ares forced to fill in blanks – that your squad was also hit in the blast. Meanwhile, Joker remained in orbit around earth to take part in the final battle. So how did he A) manage to rescue your squad and B) get the ship to the Charon relay in time to outrun the explosion? The ending cutscene makes it clear that the explosions begin almost concurrently with whichever end to the Reaper threat we chose. So, did Joker chicken out and abandon his post along with your crew? Did the game suddenly introduce Transporter technology? Was it some kind of magical nonsense?

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Oh yeah, and I can't believe Bioware hasn't thought that fans will be angry about the ending when they made it, most likely its already pre-planned for DLC and all that.

Think Return of the King and they cut out the last segment after Frodo and Sam went pout of Mount Doom. Then they ask the audience to return after the screen blacks out. Lol.

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I've read so much about the ending of ME3, from indoctrination theory to very pissed players... Actually I tend to believe there is something coming up, because I feel just left in the dark.

I'm a HUGE fan of ME world. Bought all the books and got almost all possible DLC's and I actually consider this saga as the best Science fiction universe ever created. I'll dare to say that I even prefer Mass Effect over Star Wars (no offense). So yes I'm among those waiting for something more to this red/green/blue ending but I won't cry to death if it's not happening. However I do believe that this saga deserves more content and it should not become a simple money maker out of the huge number of fans out there.

By the way, where the hell are Thane and Kasumi? During a visit to the Citadel I actually saw "Thane" on my map but when I got there nobody was waiting... Does anyone actually saw the Drell during the game?

Finally I'd just like to thank Bioware and Mr. Karpyshyn for the fantastic universe they created. I've spent so many hours in ME and enjoyed it thousand times more than any movie because I could live the story from inside. No other game ever gave me this feeling and just for this I'm grateful.

Wish you all the best time possible in ME universe. For now I'll be at the Purgatory bar...

#3486
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TheRealMithril wrote...

Xerkysz wrote...


For all you people crying about the "No response to the endings" and how "Bad" they are...
There's the key to why you're not getting a response, and they aren't bad at all if you do a little research and are able to understand it.


Like I told you yesterday: It can be the best ending in the history of mankind, but if nobody gets it then it is useless.

Your point is really not a valid argument.


It's valid to a few people, the people who understand the ending, which is why I'm in the middle of making something to prove what I'm talking about. So the rest of you, the rest of this angry mob who don't, can understand it to.

#3487
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Chris Priestly wrote...

What was your favorite moment? :)


To me everything culminated on the quarians getting their homeworld back and working together in a fragile alliance with the geth. That´s one of the biggest reasons i´ve played the whole game series and to finally see the war between geth and quarian race end was very fulfilling and touching

#3488
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I accepted the ending of Red Dead Redemption where ****Spoiler**** John Marston is shot down by the FBI and the army because you have time for him to be with his family even if you know retiring to a farm is too good to be true. In fact I would be happy for Shepard to be gunned down like that even if He/she had time to come to terms with everything done or accomplished by him.

The same thing in L.A. Noire, Coles Death at the end was sad, but there was an epilogue, at his funeral, even that was sad knowing the bad guys won in the end, but at least you knew how things stood

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SonosI wrote...

Does it really matter?
what happened to Sam Gamgee after Frodo sailed off into the west?
what happened to Master Chief (although that is now not a good example)
what happened to the guys at the end of the Italian Job - when they are on the cliff edge?!

Everyone is grasping at straws, the series is over - and some people can't come to terms with that.


Master chief is a really bad example, you know, since they showed that he Survived at the end of Halo 3 and went into stasis...

Modifié par Lurchibald, 16 mars 2012 - 12:35 .


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There are so My many good moments. I loved almost all parts of ME1 - 3. My dissapointment in the ending comes from not seeing the decision I make be reflected in any major away apart from a color switch.

You guys should've just let Mordin write the end. After all, "Someone else might have gotten it wrong"

#3491
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Comguard2 wrote...

Loved it - till the last five minutes.


Ditto - loved everything about the games until the last 5/10 minutes of ME3 ruined it all and everything you'd done previously was made utterly pointless since your decsions through the three games had absolutely no influence in the end.  ME should've gone out on a high note, not a low note.

....That said, it still seems inconcievable to me that 99% of ME3 could be so awesome only for the ball to be dropped so badly right at the end, this very fact tells me there's more going on than the ending just being fubar.

Modifié par res27772, 16 mars 2012 - 12:39 .


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I must say, I truly enjoyed the game and I actually did not have a problem with the endings at first, although I think I might have misunderstood them.

*Spoilers coming, of course*

Basically, when I got to the Reaper Catalyst Guardian Child, I started thinking that this was an indoctrination plot by the Reapers the second I heard my Shepard say "So the Illusive Man was right?". I could even trace it back to when the Illusive Man himself said "Because I need you to believe."

At first I did not really think: "This is all in Shepard's mind, this is his subconscious fighting indoctrination."  I simply thought it was a Reaper's VI, a bit like Sovereign's on Virmire, their last line of defense against activation of the Crucible. After all, they do have you shoot out a power conduit to make it work, which sounded more like sabotage to me than flipping a switch. :(

I also immediately went to the "blue" choice assuming it would be to destroy the reapers (I had not unlocked Synthesis in this playthrough, as I had disregarded multiplayer and scanning) and found myself confuse to see the control rods from the Illusive Man cutscene. I limped back towards the other side thinking "I won't let them fool me!".

I was also greatly confused to see after this ending that the squadmates that had accompanied me to the final run to the conduit (incredible moment by the way, though I thought the tracker beam was a bit cheap, I tried so hard to avoid it and it just teleported right in front of me!) As many people said, it does seem like they abandonned you, since Anderson "followed you up" and they simply left me for dead and evacuated? :crying:

Ultimately, since there was no epilogue I was left thinking that I had been wrong or maybe that since those were solutions presented by the one who controlled the Reapers they seemed to fit his ideals well and thus appeared to be indoctrination suggestions to me? But then again, I did get the "Shepard wakes up in the rubble." ending the second time around.

That time I had also unlocked the synthesis ending, which went completely against my renegade Shepard's statement to the Reaper child that: "The defining characteristic of organic life is that we make our own choices." I found the green ending to go completely against this idea, as I would basically turn all organic life into mini-Reapers, a mesh between organic and synthetic life. After destroying the collector base in the second game, this seemed to be a truly horrible idea.

As for the blue choice, the same reasoning occured to me: indoctrination was widely depicted as an horrible mean of turning your own people against you, yet I was offered to do the same to the reapers. Rather than enslave a race of hybrids between machines and organics to make them go away. (Also, I heard that the Reaper child stays around when you pick this ending as opposed to him disappearing when you chose the red one, which sounds weird to me as he was the previous controller of the Reapers. Shouldn't Shepard take his place?)

Overall, this is my main complaint about the ending, if any, it is that it seemed like a trap to me. A no win situation in a way, I wanted to tell the star child that, as Harbinger puts it, "We will find another way." Perhaps there should have been a different ending for letting the Crucible be destroyed? If you war assets were very low, you would see your fleet decimated as Shepard watched, wounded and helpess. With higher war assets, the outcome would probably be similar but with the reunited races giving one last fight worthy of this cycle?

On a final note, I enjoyed the final battle against the husk pack and the Reaper trooper that is now known as "Marauder Shields", it could actually be challenging on insanity. (Something similar happened to me with Doctor Eva on Mars actually, I was stuck with five bullets in my Paladin heavy pistol trying to take her down and I think this part is based on the number of bullets you put in her rather than damage. If anyone "important" sees this and could pass it along for possible bug fix!)

The battle of wits with the Illusive Man was also satisfying and a nice wink to Saren from the first Mass Effect. But I would have liked a renegade option to intimidate him into redemption rather than shoot him with the interrupt. Something along the lines of: "Do what's right for humanity one last time."

Thanks for reading through this if you did!

Modifié par Meniis, 16 mars 2012 - 12:38 .


#3493
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Look. you made the perfect game for this gen of consoles, you make me care about characters, you made me want to play these games over and over again. as a work of fiction these should be noted as some of the best story telling of the video game medium... but the ending kinda stunk..


things turn 180. After an entire game that themes around the strength of unity between factions and the ablity to stand tall against overwhelming odds, your taken up some glowing elevator. and then told by some AI who you have never met untill this point, and you are told the solution you are forced to choose had absolutly nothing to do with any actions you have taken the entire game.

trying to overcomplicate the end broke it. if it was left at "the citidel is the catalist" and just changed how the end played out from there things may have resolved better.

but by adding another layer of questions and morrals the ending felt broken.
Broken logic of the AI kid, or the magic teliporting properties of your crew, or even how being shipwreked on a planet destroyed any hopes or dreams your crew had (e.g tali's house). or how the universe goes on without relays. the stranded armies on earth, etc etc.

If the ending was more based on the idea of the unity of factions and not an off topic moral question things would feel better.

mass effect 3 was a game based around the idea of racial co-operation and acceptence, the endings we were given was partical genocide, dictator controll and assimilation against there will.. 

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To Chris Priestly

Mass Effect games are by far the best and deepest games i have ever player. I have been a role-playing game fan since the first Fallouts and Baldur's gates. Mass Effect has the best and richest world of any video game franchise so far especially if you take time to read all the codex. Plot and voice acting are superb, you get emotionally very hooked and invested in the world and characters, your decisions have consequences and rewards i haven't seen in any other game.

Mass Effect 3 was on par with the first two even exceeding them right until the ending. Bioware can change it without losing it's credibility we don't want any unicorns and butterflies they lived as heroes for the rest of their lives happy cliche ending, in fact it should be dark and tragic. Shepard could die, Anderson could die hell even the whole Normandy crew could die but it should feel that your sacrifice and effort made the difference. Ending should be the emotional conclusion which it had been in the first two ME games but this time i felt nothing in the end maybe i was little confused and more i thought the ending more i felt angry and kind of cheated. Mordin's sacrifice, genocide cure, quarian homeworld, geth all of it was pointless in the end and it felt very rushed. Being so emotionally invested in the games we expect the ending that matters and feel fulfilling.

If you make a new ending even as a chargeable DLC i think that many of your customers are willing to pay to see the ending that matters and gives conclusion. Sorry if there is grammar errors i'm from Finland so english is not my main language. Despite all the complaint i want to also thank you for delivering these awesome games that are definitely gonna be huge milestones in the video game history

Modifié par seitani, 16 mars 2012 - 12:51 .


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My favorite part has to be where you took away all the choices and input that I had for the last 2.75 games and made my character a mute idiot that does 1 of 3 things my Commander Shepard would never of done, including Genocide or the Forcible change of the molecular structure of all life in the galaxy... wow.. so great. It just makes me want to go back and play all the Mass Effect games again so I can see all the different outcomes..... You know? The 16 endings you said are in the game?

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terrible mass effect 3 movie was terrible

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I was thinking that a way to explain why the Normandy was in a Mass Relay jump at the end and why squadmates were in the Normandy is before the mad dash to the beam have a scene where Shepard tell Liara or his Love Interest to get out of this system incase anything happens so nothing happens to his Liara. Maybe have Liara say she is pregant before then as a way to convince her to leave so Shepards child wont die

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AgentCross wrote...

My favorite part has to be where you took away all the choices and input that I had for the last 2.75 games and made my character a mute idiot that does 1 of 3 things my Commander Shepard would never of done, including Genocide or the Forcible change of the molecular structure of all life in the galaxy... wow.. so great. It just makes me want to go back and play all the Mass Effect games again so I can see all the different outcomes..... You know? The 16 endings you said are in the game?


Ah, the art of sarcasm at it's finest, lol. ;)

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Garrus's mandibles and Tali's helmet...

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Glad I supported the entire trilogy only to get crapped on by Bioware and EA. I bought ME1 and ME2 on the 360, I bought ME2 and ME3 on the PS3 and was gonna buy ME3 on the 360 too down the road. Well that is not happening now after you just took a big crap on all your loyal fans. This 3rd game was suppose to bring CLOSURE but all it has ended up doing is created MORE QUESTIONS.

Any future DLC that "changes" the ending better be free. Disgusting way to treat your fans.Shame on you Bioware.