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[TheMerchantMan]

Salyut wrote...

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

TheMerchantMan wrote...

Ah, finally. I've been stalking the forums for the last two days waiting for the ability to post.

Anyways. Thank you Mr. Priestly for at least letting us know you are listening about the ending, it worries me, of course, because I would prefer you were doing something, or  at least keeping something back, whereas listening seems to just prove that you weren't prepared for this, and I had hoped Bioware was better than that.

The problem with asking "what we enjoyed" before the end, is that the end has for all extensive purposes made the rest of the series unenjoyable. All the good we have done is ultimately futile in all of the possible end games. That hurts, and it means I can't revisit them.

I think perhaps the moment with the strongest impact on me, was the death of Legion. His act of messanic sacrifice to bring his people full sentience was touching in itself but when combined with his final question to Tali, and her answer "The answer is yes.". I was moved, moved more deeply than I have ever been before, it was cathartic and meaningful. I stood up and clapped in admiration, fought tears because it was simply beautiful.

I felt the same way when Mordin sacrificed himself for the good of the Krogans, while he hummed that silly song of his, bravely facing death to right his wrongs. It was conflicting, it was heart-wrenching, it made me feel as though I was there, that I wanted my shepard to go up and save him, but I knew I couldn't, he couldn't, It made me feel like I was truly inside the world.

But because of the ending you gave us. You have robbed these moments of their meaning. This is true regardless of what we ultimately choose.

If we choose the blue ending, which if I have any trust in your writer's abilities, I must imagine was a trap (though not necessarily the indoctrtination theory I'm sure you've heard much about), because the cognitive dissonance of Shepard when he is told about it, after just arguing with TIM that control was too risky is too maddeningly unsensical otherwise. And thus Legion and all other synthetics like him will be destroyed anyways.

If we choose the green, then it renders his sacrifice, as well as Mordin's sacrfice completely unnecessary, you turn two of the most moving moments in the game into things that are painful to watch afterwards, because all I want to say is "No, you don't need to, no there is another way" and that is all supposing that the Synthesis ending is indeed good. To me it sounds exactly like the drivel we heard from Saren, a further indictment towards my theory that the final moments of the game, were if not a dream, most certainly a trick.

Finally, if we choose the red, it destroys all the Geth and AI , rendering his sacrifice just as moot.

And even if someone how there were one, say the Blue in which Legion's sacfice could indeed have meant something, it is still meaningless because the Mass Relays are destroyed. The one thing that made this series what it was, the single most identifiable feature is destroyed, and yes, that makes sense for one of the endings, it's powerful and emotional, but when it is true of all the endings, it means that no matter what the sacrifices of Mordin, Legion, Thane, and Ashley. Indeed all of their sacrifices meant nothing, because humanity and the rest of the galaxy's races are a best sent back to the dark ages and at worst destroyed utterly.

The geth will not survive the end, the quarians will not survive the end, humanity does not survive the end, the turians do not survive the end. Not with any semblece of what you've fought for.



What's worse is that, supposing you meant for this to happen, supposing this end really was exactly what you intended to create, a dark and grim afterlook, one that culiminates not in joy but in a gut-wrenching sorrow. Then you were so close to creating it, but instead through the way you culiminated the final scene with the normandy and the Stargazer epilogue.
You missed the oppurtunity to make a haunting, dark, but ultimately inspirational ending. If you had simply used your discarded Chekov's Gun. Liaria's time capsule. No matter how you played, Liara introduces this time capsule. No? 
If you had wished for a no-win scenario, you could have discarded the entire end and simply let Shepard die. Humanity lose. The entire galaxy die. But that time capsule, would have made the ending brilliant. Brought the epilogue from tacked on and confusing to meaningful and inspiring. Life will go on, this will be the final cycle.

Instead, we get a message that seems to say to us, "everything you did" is meaningless, and that hurts.

Which reminds me, Liara was always my favourite character but where you took her in Mass Effect 3 brought her above and beyond, she developed in ways I never expected, I can truly say by the end of the game, I wished as though she were real. The moments like the time capsule, and of Thessia, and comforting her, these sorts of things gave me absolute chills.

But where do I go from here? I won't accept, nay can't accept that she is off on some other planet where she will never hear from me, of me, or at least of my death. Her story concluding with death in some far-flung planet, never having known that I saved the galaxy. Indeed, that is something overlooked on the forums, there is absolutely no way that without FTL communication, Joker, or any of the Normandy crew, indeed the entire galaxy would know that the Reapers had been defeated. Any world that hasn't been hit already will simply have to writhe in panic, the ones that have, at best know something has happened and at worst think they are the last organic life in the galaxy.

That's mind-numbingly bad. That invalidates the epilogue's ending even with the most cheery disposition. That reaches far beyond simple plot hole and into unforgivable mistake.

Anyways. Sorry, I'm still sore Bioware. But know this.

I'm not angry because I think you have failed, no. Mass Effect 3 is a triumph, as angry as I am about the ending, I reccomend any fan of the series buys the game, it is a masterpiece. It is a symphony, a beautiful end to the most engaging world I have ever been a part of, I am disappointed because that triumph is spoiled in the very last moments of the game, by something which throws away all that we cared for, all that you had done so well, all that truly made the series great. In favour of something that felt as though, and as the Ipad app now proves was, the result of hasty comprimise, misunderstanding and rushing.

Rather than the send-off we receive, we get mixed messages, mixed signals, convulted story elements and deus ex machina, where we already had a deus ex machina, the catalyst was already a god from the machine in the story, to make it literal seems like meta-humour gone terribly wrong.

This so much this.

You said it better then anyone else so far.  If you don't want to send this in tomorrow as part of the letter writing please let me know because I think someone should send it in.

Yes. QFT. Please read this Bioware. So. Much. This.

Well shucks. I didn't think I wrote anything special. It was sort of like a stream of concious. Spilled onto the page like a ooze from a Ravager Belly. I've wrote better elsewhere.

I didn't know about the letter writing, but if you want to send it, be my guest!

[Dysjong]

To be complete honest, i can't point one thing out as my favorit moment.

I was sold and a fan boy when i saw the first few trailers, i loved the animation, i was excited and curious about this new univers you have created, no lightsabers or the force!, humans were the newcomers. I was hooked the very moment i created my soldier, i stormed through this game in matter of a few days, along with me was the normandy with it's crew. I travled from one planet to another, meeting many faces, been fighting for the better of the univers, hunting Saren for what he did and seeing this enourmess univers that Bioware created. I remember the last few hours of the first game, one of my good friends came by and watch, as i finished the game for the first time, he was warned that i would'nt stop, stil he stayed. The council was saved, knowing that the fleet would take a heavy blow for it. I made Saren shot himself, proved that organic could fight the reaper influence.

In the following completing Mass Effect 1 and for Mass Effect 2 to be released, my disc was ruined by one scratch, forced me to buy another copi, just so i could beat the game on insanity and getting all achievments. I bought the first book, some friends gaved me the second book as christmas gift. I was hooked.

When the first trailers for Mass effect 2 came, the excitement was over me and i was worried. News of me(That is commander shepard) was M.I.A , made me curious and scared at the same time. Before i got this game, something went wrong, the store where i had preorded my collectors edition, had forgotten about my copy. I was angry and furious, even more because the collectors edition was delayed here in Denmark and then to end up with this. In the end i just bought a copi and started to play the game with a sour beginning. The first few moments of Mass effect 2 was hard to watch, getting spaced like that. Anger came to me as the collectors had attacked Horizon, fought those bastards with blood and bones. So many things happend, the different people that i had travled with grew closer to me. It was a suicide mission and i was both scared and cinfident. Scared for who would survive but confident enough that i would pull it through.
 With both hands in the air, i yelled when i beat the game, seeing the last scenes, everyone made it and first thing that came to my mind was "How the hell am i going to fight the reapers?"

A week after, one friend called me, told me that one store stil had one collectors edition for Mass effect 2 xbox360. I was fast, rushed to the store, sold my copi of the game and paid whatever it took to get that collecttor edition.
 In the waiting time between Mass effect 2 and 3, i was working as a clerk in a store where we sold games, renting movies out and other stuff. My focus was the video games, told lots of people to give Mass Effect a shot, only to be greeted with a smile from that customer, telling me that they wanted to play the second game, sharing our storys and moments with each other. I met lots of people who looked forward to Mass Effect 3 and i was one of them, doing my part to hype it up.

Now i have quite my job, because i am going to studie after this summer, which has giving me lots of time to play Mass Effect 3. I was worried about the multiplayer part but it works and i am having tons of fun with it. The whole game itself was a joyride, with it's ups and downs, from escaping earth, getting to see the turians and krogans working together, ending the grudge between qurians and geth, meeting Kahlee sanders that i had read about, saying farewell to the people that i have grown fond of. There was not just one but many great moments.

Now regarding the ending....to begin with i was confused, i didnt get that final push, that feeling when something is completed. What i felt was something were out of place, it didnt seem right. When i saw that i wasnt the only one who felt that and seeing what is going on, i have been asking myself the last few days, whhat did i feel about it.

I stil hold my faith in Bioware, i stil love there games and i stil support the company because they know how to make a great game. I believe there was a reason for the way that ending was made and that right now, we are playing along the way.

So no, i can't point out which favorit moment i have from mass effect trilogy, it is simple impossible for me. Instead i can say that the whole serie was one, if not the best gaming experience i have had, not even Diablo or WoW can compete with it (7 years of diablo 2 and stil playing Diablo1, 5 years of WoW). I have all the books, every comic, even got myself one N7 hoodie and lots of poster from all 3 mass effect games.

I only have one question and that is for Casey hudson.

What is your favorit moment in Mass Effect?

To all of Bioware, all the actors and everyone else who has been invold in creating Mass effect, thank you for giving me and many others this masterpiece of a trilogy.

One of many fans.

[Karanduar]

[quote]TheMerchantMan wrote...

Ah, finally. I've been stalking the forums for the last two days waiting for the ability to post.

Anyways. Thank you Mr. Priestly for at least letting us know you are listening about the ending, it worries me, of course, because I would prefer you were doing something, or  at least keeping something back, whereas listening seems to just prove that you weren't prepared for this, and I had hoped Bioware was better than that.

The problem with asking "what we enjoyed" before the end, is that the end has for all extensive purposes made the rest of the series unenjoyable. All the good we have done is ultimately futile in all of the possible end games. That hurts, and it means I can't revisit them.

I think perhaps the moment with the strongest impact on me, was the death of Legion. His act of messanic sacrifice to bring his people full sentience was touching in itself but when combined with his final question to Tali, and her answer "The answer is yes.". I was moved, moved more deeply than I have ever been before, it was cathartic and meaningful. I stood up and clapped in admiration, fought tears because it was simply beautiful.

I felt the same way when Mordin sacrificed himself for the good of the Krogans, while he hummed that silly song of his, bravely facing death to right his wrongs. It was conflicting, it was heart-wrenching, it made me feel as though I was there, that I wanted my shepard to go up and save him, but I knew I couldn't, he couldn't, It made me feel like I was truly inside the world.

But because of the ending you gave us. You have robbed these moments of their meaning. This is true regardless of what we ultimately choose.

If we choose the blue ending, which if I have any trust in your writer's abilities, I must imagine was a trap (though not necessarily the indoctrtination theory I'm sure you've heard much about), because the cognitive dissonance of Shepard when he is told about it, after just arguing with TIM that control was too risky is too maddeningly unsensical otherwise. And thus Legion and all other synthetics like him will be destroyed anyways.

If we choose the green, then it renders his sacrifice, as well as Mordin's sacrfice completely unnecessary, you turn two of the most moving moments in the game into things that are painful to watch afterwards, because all I want to say is "No, you don't need to, no there is another way" and that is all supposing that the Synthesis ending is indeed good. To me it sounds exactly like the drivel we heard from Saren, a further indictment towards my theory that the final moments of the game, were if not a dream, most certainly a trick.

Finally, if we choose the red, it destroys all the Geth and AI , rendering his sacrifice just as moot.

And even if someone how there were one, say the Blue in which Legion's sacfice could indeed have meant something, it is still meaningless because the Mass Relays are destroyed. The one thing that made this series what it was, the single most identifiable feature is destroyed, and yes, that makes sense for one of the endings, it's powerful and emotional, but when it is true of all the endings, it means that no matter what the sacrifices of Mordin, Legion, Thane, and Ashley. Indeed all of their sacrifices meant nothing, because humanity and the rest of the galaxy's races are a best sent back to the dark ages and at worst destroyed utterly.

The geth will not survive the end, the quarians will not survive the end, humanity does not survive the end, the turians do not survive the end. Not with any semblece of what you've fought for.



What's worse is that, supposing you meant for this to happen, supposing this end really was exactly what you intended to create, a dark and grim afterlook, one that culiminates not in joy but in a gut-wrenching sorrow. Then you were so close to creating it, but instead through the way you culiminated the final scene with the normandy and the Stargazer epilogue.
You missed the oppurtunity to make a haunting, dark, but ultimately inspirational ending. If you had simply used your discarded Chekov's Gun. Liaria's time capsule. No matter how you played, Liara introduces this time capsule. No? 
If you had wished for a no-win scenario, you could have discarded the entire end and simply let Shepard die. Humanity lose. The entire galaxy die. But that time capsule, would have made the ending brilliant. Brought the epilogue from tacked on and confusing to meaningful and inspiring. Life will go on, this will be the final cycle.

Instead, we get a message that seems to say to us, "everything you did" is meaningless, and that hurts.

Which reminds me, Liara was always my favourite character but where you took her in Mass Effect 3 brought her above and beyond, she developed in ways I never expected, I can truly say by the end of the game, I wished as though she were real. The moments like the time capsule, and of Thessia, and comforting her, these sorts of things gave me absolute chills.

But where do I go from here? I won't accept, nay can't accept that she is off on some other planet where she will never hear from me, of me, or at least of my death. Her story concluding with death in some far-flung planet, never having known that I saved the galaxy. Indeed, that is something overlooked on the forums, there is absolutely no way that without FTL communication, Joker, or any of the Normandy crew, indeed the entire galaxy would know that the Reapers had been defeated. Any world that hasn't been hit already will simply have to writhe in panic, the ones that have, at best know something has happened and at worst think they are the last organic life in the galaxy.

That's mind-numbingly bad. That invalidates the epilogue's ending even with the most cheery disposition. That reaches far beyond simple plot hole and into unforgivable mistake.

Anyways. Sorry, I'm still sore Bioware. But know this.

I'm not angry because I think you have failed, no. Mass Effect 3 is a triumph, as angry as I am about the ending, I reccomend any fan of the series buys the game, it is a masterpiece. It is a symphony, a beautiful end to the most engaging world I have ever been a part of, I am disappointed because that triumph is spoiled in the very last moments of the game, by something which throws away all that we cared for, all that you had done so well, all that truly made the series great. In favour of something that felt as though, and as the Ipad app now proves was, the result of hasty comprimise, misunderstanding and rushing.

Rather than the send-off we receive, we get mixed messages, mixed signals, convulted story elements and deus ex machina, where we already had a deus ex machina, the catalyst was already a god from the machine in the story, to make it literal seems like meta-humour gone terribly wrong.
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Quoting this as well in the off chance the important folks at Bioware read it. 

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Nothing to add...

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

TheMerchantMan wrote...

Salyut wrote...

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

TheMerchantMan wrote...

Ah, finally. I've been stalking the forums for the last two days waiting for the ability to post.

Anyways. Thank you Mr. Priestly for at least letting us know you are listening about the ending, it worries me, of course, because I would prefer you were doing something, or  at least keeping something back, whereas listening seems to just prove that you weren't prepared for this, and I had hoped Bioware was better than that.

The problem with asking "what we enjoyed" before the end, is that the end has for all extensive purposes made the rest of the series unenjoyable. All the good we have done is ultimately futile in all of the possible end games. That hurts, and it means I can't revisit them.

I think perhaps the moment with the strongest impact on me, was the death of Legion. His act of messanic sacrifice to bring his people full sentience was touching in itself but when combined with his final question to Tali, and her answer "The answer is yes.". I was moved, moved more deeply than I have ever been before, it was cathartic and meaningful. I stood up and clapped in admiration, fought tears because it was simply beautiful.

I felt the same way when Mordin sacrificed himself for the good of the Krogans, while he hummed that silly song of his, bravely facing death to right his wrongs. It was conflicting, it was heart-wrenching, it made me feel as though I was there, that I wanted my shepard to go up and save him, but I knew I couldn't, he couldn't, It made me feel like I was truly inside the world.

But because of the ending you gave us. You have robbed these moments of their meaning. This is true regardless of what we ultimately choose.

If we choose the blue ending, which if I have any trust in your writer's abilities, I must imagine was a trap (though not necessarily the indoctrtination theory I'm sure you've heard much about), because the cognitive dissonance of Shepard when he is told about it, after just arguing with TIM that control was too risky is too maddeningly unsensical otherwise. And thus Legion and all other synthetics like him will be destroyed anyways.

If we choose the green, then it renders his sacrifice, as well as Mordin's sacrfice completely unnecessary, you turn two of the most moving moments in the game into things that are painful to watch afterwards, because all I want to say is "No, you don't need to, no there is another way" and that is all supposing that the Synthesis ending is indeed good. To me it sounds exactly like the drivel we heard from Saren, a further indictment towards my theory that the final moments of the game, were if not a dream, most certainly a trick.

Finally, if we choose the red, it destroys all the Geth and AI , rendering his sacrifice just as moot.

And even if someone how there were one, say the Blue in which Legion's sacfice could indeed have meant something, it is still meaningless because the Mass Relays are destroyed. The one thing that made this series what it was, the single most identifiable feature is destroyed, and yes, that makes sense for one of the endings, it's powerful and emotional, but when it is true of all the endings, it means that no matter what the sacrifices of Mordin, Legion, Thane, and Ashley. Indeed all of their sacrifices meant nothing, because humanity and the rest of the galaxy's races are a best sent back to the dark ages and at worst destroyed utterly.

The geth will not survive the end, the quarians will not survive the end, humanity does not survive the end, the turians do not survive the end. Not with any semblece of what you've fought for.



What's worse is that, supposing you meant for this to happen, supposing this end really was exactly what you intended to create, a dark and grim afterlook, one that culiminates not in joy but in a gut-wrenching sorrow. Then you were so close to creating it, but instead through the way you culiminated the final scene with the normandy and the Stargazer epilogue.
You missed the oppurtunity to make a haunting, dark, but ultimately inspirational ending. If you had simply used your discarded Chekov's Gun. Liaria's time capsule. No matter how you played, Liara introduces this time capsule. No? 
If you had wished for a no-win scenario, you could have discarded the entire end and simply let Shepard die. Humanity lose. The entire galaxy die. But that time capsule, would have made the ending brilliant. Brought the epilogue from tacked on and confusing to meaningful and inspiring. Life will go on, this will be the final cycle.

Instead, we get a message that seems to say to us, "everything you did" is meaningless, and that hurts.

Which reminds me, Liara was always my favourite character but where you took her in Mass Effect 3 brought her above and beyond, she developed in ways I never expected, I can truly say by the end of the game, I wished as though she were real. The moments like the time capsule, and of Thessia, and comforting her, these sorts of things gave me absolute chills.

But where do I go from here? I won't accept, nay can't accept that she is off on some other planet where she will never hear from me, of me, or at least of my death. Her story concluding with death in some far-flung planet, never having known that I saved the galaxy. Indeed, that is something overlooked on the forums, there is absolutely no way that without FTL communication, Joker, or any of the Normandy crew, indeed the entire galaxy would know that the Reapers had been defeated. Any world that hasn't been hit already will simply have to writhe in panic, the ones that have, at best know something has happened and at worst think they are the last organic life in the galaxy.

That's mind-numbingly bad. That invalidates the epilogue's ending even with the most cheery disposition. That reaches far beyond simple plot hole and into unforgivable mistake.

Anyways. Sorry, I'm still sore Bioware. But know this.

I'm not angry because I think you have failed, no. Mass Effect 3 is a triumph, as angry as I am about the ending, I reccomend any fan of the series buys the game, it is a masterpiece. It is a symphony, a beautiful end to the most engaging world I have ever been a part of, I am disappointed because that triumph is spoiled in the very last moments of the game, by something which throws away all that we cared for, all that you had done so well, all that truly made the series great. In favour of something that felt as though, and as the Ipad app now proves was, the result of hasty comprimise, misunderstanding and rushing.

Rather than the send-off we receive, we get mixed messages, mixed signals, convulted story elements and deus ex machina, where we already had a deus ex machina, the catalyst was already a god from the machine in the story, to make it literal seems like meta-humour gone terribly wrong.

This so much this.

You said it better then anyone else so far.  If you don't want to send this in tomorrow as part of the letter writing please let me know because I think someone should send it in.

Yes. QFT. Please read this Bioware. So. Much. This.

Well shucks. I didn't think I wrote anything special. It was sort of like a stream of concious. Spilled onto the page like a ooze from a Ravager Belly. I've wrote better elsewhere.

I didn't know about the letter writing, but if you want to send it, be my guest!

Thanks I'll send it out tomorrow.

[Scorpgul]

Now that Bioware promised they will discuss the ending with us after
more people have completed the game all I want to say is ANNOUNCE THE
NEXT GAME AND TAKE MY MONEY BIOWARE!!! This ending showed how Mass
Effect is a great franchise that will be missed greatly if it really is
all over at least for me. So GET TO IT BIOWARE I KNOW YOU'RE COOKING
SOMETHING!!!

[Makrillo]

Im just baffled something this poorly written got added to the game, and I cant see any logical reason as to why anyone would say its "well thought out" or "artistic" its like they didnt know what to do so they just did whatever the twelve year old intern came up with.

I really never got this mad at finishing a game, in any game. This is alot due to all that is good about Mass Effect, 99% of it is pure quality, one of the best experiences I ever had with games. I hope they see the concern and admit doing something poor and then reworking the ending to be something that makes sense.

Im not saying Shep should live happily ever after with whoever he got his groove on with, I would have liked it, but a happily ever after is not something I require to get closure on his story. They could have had the destroy/control-option at the first console in the illusive mans room, then they could just have cut it when he sits down next to Anderson, he could have died, the reapers then could have exploded or flown away depending on what option you took. And then I would have liked a recap of your teammate and the planets you visited, I really want to know if it was a good idea to cure the genophage, or let the Geth and Quarians live together... and then ending the entire game with a voiceover by Liara for the last piece of Shepards story into the historybox she made.

I really have a hard time fathoming how the endings that stuck actually did, didn't someone ask themselves "Is this a good idea? Will people be satisfied with this?", if they did and answered "Yes.", well... If you cant tell pepper from salt you shouldn't be a chef.

[Timeless-Strife]

Omega Torsk wrote...

My gosh, is it necessary to quote the entirety of Merchant's wall of text in every single post?

Yes, yes it is damn necessary so they can see it almost instantly every time they visit this post.

[ThatGuy39]

ecarden wrote...

Jack has an N7 tattoo on her ass. Excellent.

Really, I missed that... excellent. One of the things that makes this game so memorable,  the little details.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

My favourite part of the game was solving the geth/quarian conflict peacefully and giving the quarians back their homeworld.

It's too bad the ending completely invalidated that and so much more.

[Halie Star]

    Thanks for listening, even in the gameplay, of Mass Effect 3 the RPG was so thorough. Our choices in the first two games, had some serious concenquences that Shepard had to live with, in this one.

The art, writing, graphics and music were outstanding. 
Finished my game twice now. 

Thanks Bioware.  

[Scorpgul]

Timeless-Strife wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

My gosh, is it necessary to quote the entirety of Merchant's wall of text in every single post?

Yes, yes it is damn necessary so they can see it almost instantly every time they visit this post.

No mate its not its annoying and fills out a page quickly

[nitraw]

I just finished my first playthrough. What I planned to say was "I don't understand all the people complaining about the ending. It was alright". I was wrong.
As far as I've understood the choices given to me, Shepard dies in any case. That's the first thing that bothers me. Then there's the fact that regardless what you choose, the Galactic Society you fought and ultimately sacrificed yourself for will be shattered.

And then there are some logical issues with the ending:
- Why is the Normandy crossing a mass relay at that point in time? They joined Sword to fight the reapers and I doubt they'd flee. 
- What was Liara doing on the Normandy? Wasn't she down on the planet just before Shep went for the beam? And wasn't the Normandy at that time joining Sword and fighting?
- What will happen to all the fleets that are now stuck in the sol system without mass relays (there were a hell of a lot of ships there)?
- If that child (wtf?) wants peace between organics and synthetics, why not just send the reapers away? We were well on our way of establishing peace with the geth.
- Why exactly is chaos a bad thing? Nothing can evolve without chaos.

I cannot believe how devastating the ending was for my perception of mass effect as a whole. I played 1 and 2 over and over, way more than any other game I have ever owned. And before the end I was already planning what to do next, which character to import. And now I don't even want to start the game up to try one of the other endings.
It's a sad, sad day and a very bad start for my weekend.

Just my 2 cents.  

[PatriotsFan]

Archonsg wrote...

That last 1% being this bad should not have ruined our experience as a whole? What Bioware did was "Hey guys, make your decisions, choose carefully! THERE WILL BE CAKE! What kind of cake is up to you!" Then gave us a squeezed lemon.

Exactly.  I mean I took some time to think through who I should bring for that final mission.  Even Anderson said "choose carefully".  I was expecting something like ME 2 when you had to be careful who you chose for what (I brought EDI in case I needed to hack a computer and Garrus b/c he's been my bro all throughout), but in the end it didn't matter in the LEAST (hell, EDI somehow found her way back onto the Normandy and told Joker to book it...screw that I was still on the planet fighting....)

[JeffreyCor]

UnevenElefant5 wrote...

 I think Mordin's and Tali's deaths were the best scenes in the game.

Mordin's death really got me too, especially his singing just before it happened. Tali ddin't die in mine, so I didn't get any death scene for her. That would have been a nasty shock!
Honestly, I found pretty much everything in the game to be great, except the ending which makes how bad it is stand out even stronger. Bad ending on a bad game would be expected, bad ending on a mediocer game would be noticed, but a bad ending on a great game is like being hit by a truck.

[DrowNoble]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.
 
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

Trying to deflect conversation at the end are we?  You want me to appreciate a Shephard that acted out of character at the end?  One that by picking the "best" ending of Destroy I killed the entire geth race, blew up every relay in the galaxy, caused the deaths of trillions and  sent every advanced civilazation back to the stone age?

Really?  You want me to appreciate that? 

Remember people: HOLD THE LINE

[Scorpgul]

PatriotsFan wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

That last 1% being this bad should not have ruined our experience as a whole? What Bioware did was "Hey guys, make your decisions, choose carefully! THERE WILL BE CAKE! What kind of cake is up to you!" Then gave us a squeezed lemon.

Exactly.  I mean I took some time to think through who I should bring for that final mission.  Even Anderson said "choose carefully".  I was expecting something like ME 2 when you had to be careful who you chose for what (I brought EDI in case I needed to hack a computer and Garrus b/c he's been my bro all throughout), but in the end it didn't matter in the LEAST (hell, EDI somehow found her way back onto the Normandy and told Joker to book it...screw that I was still on the planet fighting....)

Same lol Liara mysteriously teleported to the Normandy and was alive and well with no scratches while I was half dead. And she sisn't seem to be affected that her other half was lot and dying. That was the lamest bit in my opinion and was worst than the actual ending

[Scorpgul]

DrowNoble wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.
 
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

Trying to deflect conversation at the end are we?  You want me to appreciate a Shephard that acted out of character at the end?  One that by picking the "best" ending of Destroy I killed the entire geth race, blew up every relay in the galaxy, caused the deaths of trillions and  sent every advanced civilazation back to the stone age?

Really?  You want me to appreciate that? 

Remember people: HOLD THE LINE

Agree that was unnecessary

[cinderburster]

PatriotsFan wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

That last 1% being this bad should not have ruined our experience as a whole? What Bioware did was "Hey guys, make your decisions, choose carefully! THERE WILL BE CAKE! What kind of cake is up to you!" Then gave us a squeezed lemon.

Exactly.  I mean I took some time to think through who I should bring for that final mission.  Even Anderson said "choose carefully".  I was expecting something like ME 2 when you had to be careful who you chose for what (I brought EDI in case I needed to hack a computer and Garrus b/c he's been my bro all throughout), but in the end it didn't matter in the LEAST (hell, EDI somehow found her way back onto the Normandy and told Joker to book it...screw that I was still on the planet fighting....)

The idea that Shepard's team and the Normandy fled the planet without knowing what happened to Shepard is ludicrous.  They've had Shep's back consistantly through all three games right up until that point. 

No one left behind, Bioware.  Where did that idea go?

[Scorpgul]

Scorpgul wrote...

PatriotsFan wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

That last 1% being this bad should not have ruined our experience as a whole? What Bioware did was "Hey guys, make your decisions, choose carefully! THERE WILL BE CAKE! What kind of cake is up to you!" Then gave us a squeezed lemon.

Exactly.  I mean I took some time to think through who I should bring for that final mission.  Even Anderson said "choose carefully".  I was expecting something like ME 2 when you had to be careful who you chose for what (I brought EDI in case I needed to hack a computer and Garrus b/c he's been my bro all throughout), but in the end it didn't matter in the LEAST (hell, EDI somehow found her way back onto the Normandy and told Joker to book it...screw that I was still on the planet fighting....)

Same lol Liara mysteriously teleported to the Normandy and was alive and well with no scratches while I was half dead. And she didn't seem to be affected that her other half was lost and dying. That was the lamest bit in my opinion and was worst than the actual ending

[Dantexr3]

TheMerchantMan wrote...

Ah, finally. I've been stalking the forums for the last two days waiting for the ability to post.

Anyways. Thank you Mr. Priestly for at least letting us know you are listening about the ending, it worries me, of course, because I would prefer you were doing something, or  at least keeping something back, whereas listening seems to just prove that you weren't prepared for this, and I had hoped Bioware was better than that.

The problem with asking "what we enjoyed" before the end, is that the end has for all extensive purposes made the rest of the series unenjoyable. All the good we have done is ultimately futile in all of the possible end games. That hurts, and it means I can't revisit them.

I think perhaps the moment with the strongest impact on me, was the death of Legion. His act of messanic sacrifice to bring his people full sentience was touching in itself but when combined with his final question to Tali, and her answer "The answer is yes.". I was moved, moved more deeply than I have ever been before, it was cathartic and meaningful. I stood up and clapped in admiration, fought tears because it was simply beautiful.

I felt the same way when Mordin sacrificed himself for the good of the Krogans, while he hummed that silly song of his, bravely facing death to right his wrongs. It was conflicting, it was heart-wrenching, it made me feel as though I was there, that I wanted my shepard to go up and save him, but I knew I couldn't, he couldn't, It made me feel like I was truly inside the world.

But because of the ending you gave us. You have robbed these moments of their meaning. This is true regardless of what we ultimately choose.

If we choose the blue ending, which if I have any trust in your writer's abilities, I must imagine was a trap (though not necessarily the indoctrtination theory I'm sure you've heard much about), because the cognitive dissonance of Shepard when he is told about it, after just arguing with TIM that control was too risky is too maddeningly unsensical otherwise. And thus Legion and all other synthetics like him will be destroyed anyways.

If we choose the green, then it renders his sacrifice, as well as Mordin's sacrfice completely unnecessary, you turn two of the most moving moments in the game into things that are painful to watch afterwards, because all I want to say is "No, you don't need to, no there is another way" and that is all supposing that the Synthesis ending is indeed good. To me it sounds exactly like the drivel we heard from Saren, a further indictment towards my theory that the final moments of the game, were if not a dream, most certainly a trick.

Finally, if we choose the red, it destroys all the Geth and AI , rendering his sacrifice just as moot.

And even if someone how there were one, say the Blue in which Legion's sacfice could indeed have meant something, it is still meaningless because the Mass Relays are destroyed. The one thing that made this series what it was, the single most identifiable feature is destroyed, and yes, that makes sense for one of the endings, it's powerful and emotional, but when it is true of all the endings, it means that no matter what the sacrifices of Mordin, Legion, Thane, and Ashley. Indeed all of their sacrifices meant nothing, because humanity and the rest of the galaxy's races are a best sent back to the dark ages and at worst destroyed utterly.

The geth will not survive the end, the quarians will not survive the end, humanity does not survive the end, the turians do not survive the end. Not with any semblece of what you've fought for.



What's worse is that, supposing you meant for this to happen, supposing this end really was exactly what you intended to create, a dark and grim afterlook, one that culiminates not in joy but in a gut-wrenching sorrow. Then you were so close to creating it, but instead through the way you culiminated the final scene with the normandy and the Stargazer epilogue.
You missed the oppurtunity to make a haunting, dark, but ultimately inspirational ending. If you had simply used your discarded Chekov's Gun. Liaria's time capsule. No matter how you played, Liara introduces this time capsule. No? 
If you had wished for a no-win scenario, you could have discarded the entire end and simply let Shepard die. Humanity lose. The entire galaxy die. But that time capsule, would have made the ending brilliant. Brought the epilogue from tacked on and confusing to meaningful and inspiring. Life will go on, this will be the final cycle.

Instead, we get a message that seems to say to us, "everything you did" is meaningless, and that hurts.

Which reminds me, Liara was always my favourite character but where you took her in Mass Effect 3 brought her above and beyond, she developed in ways I never expected, I can truly say by the end of the game, I wished as though she were real. The moments like the time capsule, and of Thessia, and comforting her, these sorts of things gave me absolute chills.

But where do I go from here? I won't accept, nay can't accept that she is off on some other planet where she will never hear from me, of me, or at least of my death. Her story concluding with death in some far-flung planet, never having known that I saved the galaxy. Indeed, that is something overlooked on the forums, there is absolutely no way that without FTL communication, Joker, or any of the Normandy crew, indeed the entire galaxy would know that the Reapers had been defeated. Any world that hasn't been hit already will simply have to writhe in panic, the ones that have, at best know something has happened and at worst think they are the last organic life in the galaxy.

That's mind-numbingly bad. That invalidates the epilogue's ending even with the most cheery disposition. That reaches far beyond simple plot hole and into unforgivable mistake.

Anyways. Sorry, I'm still sore Bioware. But know this.

I'm not angry because I think you have failed, no. Mass Effect 3 is a triumph, as angry as I am about the ending, I reccomend any fan of the series buys the game, it is a masterpiece. It is a symphony, a beautiful end to the most engaging world I have ever been a part of, I am disappointed because that triumph is spoiled in the very last moments of the game, by something which throws away all that we cared for, all that you had done so well, all that truly made the series great. In favour of something that felt as though, and as the Ipad app now proves was, the result of hasty comprimise, misunderstanding and rushing.

Rather than the send-off we receive, we get mixed messages, mixed signals, convulted story elements and deus ex machina, where we already had a deus ex machina, the catalyst was already a god from the machine in the story, to make it literal seems like meta-humour gone terribly wrong.

Modifié par Dantexr3, 16 mars 2012 - 08:46 .

[TheMerchantMan]

Timeless-Strife wrote...

Omega Torsk wrote...

My gosh, is it necessary to quote the entirety of Merchant's wall of text in every single post?

Yes, yes it is damn necessary so they can see it almost instantly every time they visit this post.

Probably not. If Bioware's listening I should hope they'll be reading more than just the most recent page. 

Sort of like it's not really listening if you go to a lecture and fall asleep until the last ten minutes.

Besides I'm sure someone will write something better in time.


That said I can't think of  a better way to "Hold the Line" then with a big wall, no?

Modifié par TheMerchantMan, 16 mars 2012 - 08:47 .

[red.dot.mist]

I'd be fine with the 'best' ending (destroy Reapers + Shepard wakes up in rubble.) if it didn't mean I had to exterminate the Geth that I just brokered a lasting peace with. The player/protagonist deserves some credit for rendering the Starchild's argument moot. I feel that my efforts in that regard were discarded.

I could also be fine with the other 2 endings if they just made a little more sense. I don't mind that the Mass Relays were destroyed, I actually think that adds more story potential than any of the other outcomes of the ending.

[Sainta117]

Chris Priestly wrote...

(snip)

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

What a transparently condescending attempt to change the subject. I was actually reasonably impressed with the response up to that point. Do they think we're idiots?

[ThatGuy39]

Aquarius87 wrote...

The first time I watched the ending, I was like...meh okay.
The more I thought of it, the more it felt out of place, and just not right....

Looked around on the internet and found the indoctrination theory... I have to say, it would make sense.
IF the theory proves to be correct, ME3s ending would be grand, since it fooled thousands of players
also, IF Bioware would give us the true ending in an upcoming dlc...PLEASE give it us for free.
Charging players (not to mention fans) for the ending would be as low as I could imagine.
...but, time will tell

Better yet, release it as a patch.