Ce sujet est ferméDon't worry, your post was very thoughtful and conveyed your points clearly. I felt the same way. I was willing to not only play ME3 again, but was even considering a run through all three games again. Until the very end. Everything that we fought for, everything that the Mass Effect series had built up to, came crashing down. Never before has an ending clashed so drastically with everything that came before. Free will, self-determination, unity among diverse cultures, peace between synthetic and organic, all of it was tossed aside by that horrid Star Child.MissNet wrote...
My hopes was crushed once, I don’t think I can survive another painful experience.
Unfortunately, in current state ME3 has zero replay value to me. I can’t play even previous two games, hell, I can’t play at all.
That's it.
Best regards,
*sorry for mistakes, not native speaker
On the Mass Effect 3 endings. Yes, we are listening.
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#4301
Posté 16 mars 2012 - 08:50
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 08:51
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Don't give in, Bioware! Make DLCs that are worth it!
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 08:52
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Guys, looking over the last two pages, and after having calmed down a little bit more, try and keep it cool. We are angry and depressed for a reason. We may feel betrayed, alright. And the ending's been really hard on many of us who expected more.
But right now, the Mass Effect twitter is asking things like this:
Mass Effect @masseffect
@kyrthira What would you have changed if you could?
Or this:
Mass Effect @masseffect
@vilyaeleni Apologies for the misinterpretation. We want to know exactly why you didn't like it and what you would have changed.
At the very least, they want to know exactly what we didn't like about it, what we'd change and stuff like that. They are, in fact, listening. That isn't a definitive "We'll change it" yet, but they are reading what we write. Give the guy over at twitter a break and don't get insulting. I agree that, the way the ending is right now, it's a mistake and I still don't understand how it could make it into the final release without somebody seeing what is so obvious to us and caused this uproar.
But we've made them listen.
Keep being creative. Keep it up with the great stuff over at the motivational thread, cause that stuff helped me relax. Keep posting, to show them that we're not going anywhere. Tell them what you didn't like; go a little further than just talking about the ending and tell them about bugs, about stuff like the messed up journal (it was really confusing that it wasn't divided in main, side and finished quests and that there were only very few updates to the journal).
Just don't get insulting, because, at this point, this hurts a lot more than it helps, and especially the guys who work the ME twitter don't have anything to do with it.
Stay polite, give them your feedback, discuss what exactly is missing, what alternative endings they could implement, additionally or instead of those we currently have, what you might want to change about the endgame in general (I'd really love it if you could see, at least a little bit, or at the very least knew, what your other companions are doing while you're going for the conduit, for example; and I somewhat miss the decisions you made in ME2 that affected the outcome, since THAT was absolutely brilliant)...
So, be constructive and polite, people. We can always turn into an angry mob, if they refuse to change anything.
(That smiley is for you, Chris. :innocent: )
But right now, the Mass Effect twitter is asking things like this:
Mass Effect @masseffect
@kyrthira What would you have changed if you could?
Or this:
Mass Effect @masseffect
@vilyaeleni Apologies for the misinterpretation. We want to know exactly why you didn't like it and what you would have changed.
At the very least, they want to know exactly what we didn't like about it, what we'd change and stuff like that. They are, in fact, listening. That isn't a definitive "We'll change it" yet, but they are reading what we write. Give the guy over at twitter a break and don't get insulting. I agree that, the way the ending is right now, it's a mistake and I still don't understand how it could make it into the final release without somebody seeing what is so obvious to us and caused this uproar.
But we've made them listen.
Keep being creative. Keep it up with the great stuff over at the motivational thread, cause that stuff helped me relax. Keep posting, to show them that we're not going anywhere. Tell them what you didn't like; go a little further than just talking about the ending and tell them about bugs, about stuff like the messed up journal (it was really confusing that it wasn't divided in main, side and finished quests and that there were only very few updates to the journal).
Just don't get insulting, because, at this point, this hurts a lot more than it helps, and especially the guys who work the ME twitter don't have anything to do with it.
Stay polite, give them your feedback, discuss what exactly is missing, what alternative endings they could implement, additionally or instead of those we currently have, what you might want to change about the endgame in general (I'd really love it if you could see, at least a little bit, or at the very least knew, what your other companions are doing while you're going for the conduit, for example; and I somewhat miss the decisions you made in ME2 that affected the outcome, since THAT was absolutely brilliant)...
So, be constructive and polite, people. We can always turn into an angry mob, if they refuse to change anything.
(That smiley is for you, Chris. :innocent: )
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 08:52
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I've never posted before, I'm just adding my voice to the disappointed ones.
The problem I have is the same as many, that it feels that my decisions have really come to nothing. I played a 99.9% paragon game as my 'main' playthrough. I wanted to feel that at the end there was some significance to having re-united the Quarians and Geth, to calming the Krogans and Turians, failing to save Thessia (even though that seemed beyond my control) and all the other things I did. Instead none of it really matters, as they'll never see each other again. I could have taken it if there was an ending through bad choices where the Reapers win, but that's not what happened...
I have a second Femshep game which was more Renegade, and I was looking forward to seeing how things would play out differently with her, but the way the endings go, ultimately it makes no difference. I also planned to go through all 3 games again with a new character, but the final payoff just isn't there, so I don't think it's worth it.
I am saying that I'm not angry, after all, it's just a game. I'm merely disappointed that I no longer desire to play the Mass Effect series. ME2 was a great experience, and the way it made me feel, the connections to the characters was something I haven't had from any other game at that level. For that I thank you guys.
I fully believe the writers have the right to tell whatever story they want. If it turns out that there is a true ending coming through DLC (or even just some sort of Epilogue that explains things more), and this was the plan all along, then I'll be happy. I think you'd have to make it free though otherwise you'll not only get grief from the fans, I could see the press turning on you for that!
(While writing I started thinking, we established in the Arrival DLC that travel between stars without Mass Relays is not impossible, just slow. It's possible then that the fleets could set off home, and would eventually arrive. Rannoch is quite a long way away from Earth though! This point may have been brought up before, but I'm not ready to read many hundreds of pages just in case!
Also, it was a nice touch having Buzz Aldrin be the voice of the Stargazer)
The problem I have is the same as many, that it feels that my decisions have really come to nothing. I played a 99.9% paragon game as my 'main' playthrough. I wanted to feel that at the end there was some significance to having re-united the Quarians and Geth, to calming the Krogans and Turians, failing to save Thessia (even though that seemed beyond my control) and all the other things I did. Instead none of it really matters, as they'll never see each other again. I could have taken it if there was an ending through bad choices where the Reapers win, but that's not what happened...
I have a second Femshep game which was more Renegade, and I was looking forward to seeing how things would play out differently with her, but the way the endings go, ultimately it makes no difference. I also planned to go through all 3 games again with a new character, but the final payoff just isn't there, so I don't think it's worth it.
I am saying that I'm not angry, after all, it's just a game. I'm merely disappointed that I no longer desire to play the Mass Effect series. ME2 was a great experience, and the way it made me feel, the connections to the characters was something I haven't had from any other game at that level. For that I thank you guys.
I fully believe the writers have the right to tell whatever story they want. If it turns out that there is a true ending coming through DLC (or even just some sort of Epilogue that explains things more), and this was the plan all along, then I'll be happy. I think you'd have to make it free though otherwise you'll not only get grief from the fans, I could see the press turning on you for that!
(While writing I started thinking, we established in the Arrival DLC that travel between stars without Mass Relays is not impossible, just slow. It's possible then that the fleets could set off home, and would eventually arrive. Rannoch is quite a long way away from Earth though! This point may have been brought up before, but I'm not ready to read many hundreds of pages just in case!
Also, it was a nice touch having Buzz Aldrin be the voice of the Stargazer)
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 08:53
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Archonsg wrote...
XSarenXArteriusX wrote...
LordBeburos wrote...
Figured I would post my two cents. Had to to get someone to tell me how I could post in here because I've never been concerned with it before.
I obtained no resolution from the ending. In particular I was hoping to find out some history on the Reapers but that hope was coupled with the assumption that other things would be resolved and that would be extra. I want to see the results of my actions and it upset me enough that Anderson was no longer a councilor and the Rachni Queen was useless. I want some answers.
the rachni queen was useless, half tempted to let her melt next time.... oh wait ha! there probably wont be a next time
Does not make a difference.
Reapers STILL found a "random" queen and made her a Techno Broodmother.
But at least that is still plausible.
Blowin up Mass Relays, (space magic!) ignores one of my favorite lines from the series.
"Sir Issac Newton is the deadliest SOB in space."
Physics becomes space magic where power and engery (not even physical mass mind you like in Arrival, just pure energy) is able to rip a structure that can survive a Super Nova undamaged apart ...without any thermal / energy transfer into the system it inhibits ...well now.
Why not just put in pink unicorns and He-Man going "I HAVE GOT THE POWER!!!"
I think you misunderstood that side quest. The Reapers didn't find another random queen and made her a techno-broodmother.
That queen is the same one you saved in the first game, whom they lured from hiding by indoctrinating her children.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 08:55
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social.bioware.com/13096/blog/211782/
Posting from my phone so this will probably not be formatted properly but please read this "Ending" as I envision it. Its not complete, yet as I haven't done all conversations for all our companions but it'll give you a pretty good idea where ai am going with it. So please read and comment.
"Alt Ending version 1b Paragon Shepard Dies
Posting from my phone so this will probably not be formatted properly but please read this "Ending" as I envision it. Its not complete, yet as I haven't done all conversations for all our companions but it'll give you a pretty good idea where ai am going with it. So please read and comment.
"Alt Ending version 1b Paragon Shepard Dies
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 08:56
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The Mass Effect series has always been about the narrative to me. That is not to say that the gameplay is bad ( it ceirtanly has improved since ME1) but it is still lacking compared to other 3rd person shooters currently on the market - Controls don't respond very well, the AI still needs more work, some game-breking bugs occur far too often... But since the series has always been to me an Action RPG I had no problem overlooking most of this issues.
So, it was this same narrative that, while playing Mass Effect 3, made me feel different emotions in the most varied situations - Most of them good, like being reunited with old friends, as well as grieving for their deaths or their sacrifices. When choosing between two characters and their entire races in order to solve a conflict. Overall, how my past and recent decisions could influence the future of an entire galaxy.
It was only in those moments where the Illusion of choice was broken that I remembered that was not my story, but one that followed a clearly marked path. I was somewhat bothered with the fact that I could not choose most of my main character's dialog like in previous games, as well as being forced to lose a battle I was skilled enough to win. But I also knew that it was impossible to deliver a interactive story in which the player had complete control over his story, and for that I am much more impressed for what Bioware managed to deliver in all this years. Overall, these are minor issues compared to what almost completely destroyed my experience.
Yes, the ending (not endings, as I would have expected Shepard's story to end) was indeed the major issue I had with the game, since almost the entire Narrative fell apart at that very moment. The revelation and resolution every player has been waiting for 3 games is squeezed in mere 10 minutes with some poor dialog and little to no player interaction. Even so, despite this lack of freedom to what ends being the same scene with different colors, basic questions are still not aswered, like "Has the galaxy been destroyed by the Mass Relays Explosion, like it was stated in the ME2 DLC Arrival?" or "Why are my squadmates back in the Normandy, including the ones I took in the final push?" or even better "After all I have done in these 3 games, did it really matter?".
I could go on about why, in my opinion, the Mass Effect series deserved a better ending than this, but I guess the community as a whole has already made a point.
I would also like to make it clear that, at least for me, it would require more than 10 minutes to ruin a great 30+ hour experience. Still, I would be lying if I said that my interest in the series has not significantly diminished as will my trust in Bioware if they fail to open the proper channels to communicate with their fanbase.
So, it was this same narrative that, while playing Mass Effect 3, made me feel different emotions in the most varied situations - Most of them good, like being reunited with old friends, as well as grieving for their deaths or their sacrifices. When choosing between two characters and their entire races in order to solve a conflict. Overall, how my past and recent decisions could influence the future of an entire galaxy.
It was only in those moments where the Illusion of choice was broken that I remembered that was not my story, but one that followed a clearly marked path. I was somewhat bothered with the fact that I could not choose most of my main character's dialog like in previous games, as well as being forced to lose a battle I was skilled enough to win. But I also knew that it was impossible to deliver a interactive story in which the player had complete control over his story, and for that I am much more impressed for what Bioware managed to deliver in all this years. Overall, these are minor issues compared to what almost completely destroyed my experience.
Yes, the ending (not endings, as I would have expected Shepard's story to end) was indeed the major issue I had with the game, since almost the entire Narrative fell apart at that very moment. The revelation and resolution every player has been waiting for 3 games is squeezed in mere 10 minutes with some poor dialog and little to no player interaction. Even so, despite this lack of freedom to what ends being the same scene with different colors, basic questions are still not aswered, like "Has the galaxy been destroyed by the Mass Relays Explosion, like it was stated in the ME2 DLC Arrival?" or "Why are my squadmates back in the Normandy, including the ones I took in the final push?" or even better "After all I have done in these 3 games, did it really matter?".
I could go on about why, in my opinion, the Mass Effect series deserved a better ending than this, but I guess the community as a whole has already made a point.
I would also like to make it clear that, at least for me, it would require more than 10 minutes to ruin a great 30+ hour experience. Still, I would be lying if I said that my interest in the series has not significantly diminished as will my trust in Bioware if they fail to open the proper channels to communicate with their fanbase.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 08:57
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With the most sincere and honest respect Mr. Priestly, I really hope that we can count on an official announcement from Bioware by March 20. If we are still in the dark by then, I believe your most loyal fans will really start to become upset
Sincerely,
Kristofer R
Sincerely,
Kristofer R
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 08:58
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RiGoRmOrTiS_UK wrote...
This article is soooooo spot on ...
http://pixelatedgeek...aws-of-victory/
I just can't wait to see what contrived explanation Bioware use
I'm sure it will be centered around indirectly dismissing everyone's issues with the ending while trying to explain their "artistic vision" and they'll avoid directly answering plot-holes or things they can't explain away..
If they actually come back with a humbled response which is either admission they made a mistake and didn't really think it through or at the very least an apology I'll eat my pants.
If they say they are going to rework the ending as its clear they made a mistake then I'll probably pass out from shock...
Really good article. And, this guy is no Joe-Mac-Doaks.
Don't hold your breath RiGoRmOrTiS_UK for an answer, you really will turn blue!
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 08:58
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@Bioware, @Chris Priestly, @Casey Hudson look at this and you know what 75% of alle ME3 fans think about the ending!!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_A7SeawU4
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_A7SeawU4
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 08:59
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TheMerchantMan wrote...
A lot of really good stuff.
I agree completely.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 09:00
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If you went renegade and killed her then the Reapers make a new queen somehow.BWGungan wrote...
Archonsg wrote...
XSarenXArteriusX wrote...
LordBeburos wrote...
Figured I would post my two cents. Had to to get someone to tell me how I could post in here because I've never been concerned with it before.
I obtained no resolution from the ending. In particular I was hoping to find out some history on the Reapers but that hope was coupled with the assumption that other things would be resolved and that would be extra. I want to see the results of my actions and it upset me enough that Anderson was no longer a councilor and the Rachni Queen was useless. I want some answers.
the rachni queen was useless, half tempted to let her melt next time.... oh wait ha! there probably wont be a next time
Does not make a difference.
Reapers STILL found a "random" queen and made her a Techno Broodmother.
But at least that is still plausible.
Blowin up Mass Relays, (space magic!) ignores one of my favorite lines from the series.
"Sir Issac Newton is the deadliest SOB in space."
Physics becomes space magic where power and engery (not even physical mass mind you like in Arrival, just pure energy) is able to rip a structure that can survive a Super Nova undamaged apart ...without any thermal / energy transfer into the system it inhibits ...well now.
Why not just put in pink unicorns and He-Man going "I HAVE GOT THE POWER!!!"
I think you misunderstood that side quest. The Reapers didn't find another random queen and made her a techno-broodmother.
That queen is the same one you saved in the first game, whom they lured from hiding by indoctrinating her children.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 09:00
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Thank you.VerdantSF wrote...
Don't worry, your post was very thoughtful and conveyed your points clearly. I felt the same way. I was willing to not only play ME3 again, but was even considering a run through all three games again. Until the very end. Everything that we fought for, everything that the Mass Effect series had built up to, came crashing down. Never before has an ending clashed so drastically with everything that came before. Free will, self-determination, unity among diverse cultures, peace between synthetic and organic, all of it was tossed aside by that horrid Star Child.MissNet wrote...
My hopes was crushed once, I don’t think I can survive another painful experience.
Unfortunately, in current state ME3 has zero replay value to me. I can’t play even previous two games, hell, I can’t play at all.
That's it.
Best regards,
*sorry for mistakes, not native speaker
I think i need hug again. Or one-two little kittens.
I can comprehend the reasons of the Reapers, but can't comprehend the reasons of Bioware.
Bioware >> Reapers.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 09:01
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Indyana78 wrote...
@Bioware, @Chris Priestly, @Casey Hudson look at this and you know what 75% of alle ME3 fans think about the ending!!!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4H_A7SeawU4
Its 97 % according to the poll on the site here
http://social.biowar...06/polls/28989/
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 09:02
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SNascimento wrote...
Don't give in, Bioware! Make DLCs that are worth it!
I disagree this is worth it and if they don't do it then shepard dies and all you get is Multiplayer DLC ya that is better right?
#4317
Posté 16 mars 2012 - 09:03
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It's hard to fathom how royal a screwjob it is to give Mass Effect this short an ending. If Bioware needs a clue, play the Metal Gear franchise, especially 4. It was a little pedantic but it brought definite closure to the series.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 09:04
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Hi
well first up I would like to say that Mass effect is my favorite game. And i have finished me1 and me2 numorus times.
Now to the actual topic of endings, so as we all know Me2 finished with shepard blowing up a mass relay which in turn destroyed a system - practicly all possible endings in Me3 have all mass relays blowing up that means that most systems are destroyed?
Unlike the first two games where it was interesting to play over and over agin to see the outcome of your actions in Me3 you did so much during the game: saving krogans, geth etc... or betraying mordin but all of that leaded to practicly the same outcome everyone died, so there is now particular reason to play it again. How ever the scorpion pistol is forever:)
P.s.
that is my reaction unfortunatly
well first up I would like to say that Mass effect is my favorite game. And i have finished me1 and me2 numorus times.
Now to the actual topic of endings, so as we all know Me2 finished with shepard blowing up a mass relay which in turn destroyed a system - practicly all possible endings in Me3 have all mass relays blowing up that means that most systems are destroyed?
Unlike the first two games where it was interesting to play over and over agin to see the outcome of your actions in Me3 you did so much during the game: saving krogans, geth etc... or betraying mordin but all of that leaded to practicly the same outcome everyone died, so there is now particular reason to play it again. How ever the scorpion pistol is forever:)
P.s.
that is my reaction unfortunatly
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 09:04
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My favorite moment?
Tali and Ashley Drunk
Liara writes writes Shepards name in the stars
and so many more but the Ending destroy all this epic moments for me.
Tali and Ashley Drunk
Liara writes writes Shepards name in the stars
and so many more but the Ending destroy all this epic moments for me.
#4320
Posté 16 mars 2012 - 09:05
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I believe that you should have more endings and we should be civil. However, many fans feel that they were cheated out of the ending. Please hear our pleas for a good ending (LI, crew, friends, relays not destroyed and citadel too).
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 09:05
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Ekebes wrote...
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- ó_ò
There are plenty of other parts I liked, also the short part where you see the faces of joker, liara and anderson when you made your decision in the end
Personaly....**** Liara ok she might be cool for many but not for me... way too much monotone voice....
Why force me see her face everytime i finish this game???
where is my LI face? the crew that u know would DIE for you??
like garrus,tali,Wrex,ash and many others...but no...just liara...bioware praised too much her character
Im ok with joker and anderson these 2 characters OWNS
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 09:05
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There are many beautiful aspects of the ending and the emotional turmoil I found myself in the days after I finished it was, well, it was special.
The discussion about the endings seem infected to me.
The endings have a lot of problems, no doubt about it.
But the discussion about it has become infected in a way that makes it very hard for people who wanna talk about it in a more positive light to get any room.
And the infected discussion just seem to make people who come to share their experience feel worse.
This is a very interesting example of group behavior and says a lot about how invested a lot of us where in the games and in the universe.
The discussion about the endings seem infected to me.
The endings have a lot of problems, no doubt about it.
But the discussion about it has become infected in a way that makes it very hard for people who wanna talk about it in a more positive light to get any room.
And the infected discussion just seem to make people who come to share their experience feel worse.
This is a very interesting example of group behavior and says a lot about how invested a lot of us where in the games and in the universe.
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 09:07
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Honestly there were a lot of great moments, then you got to the end and I can't tell what you were thinking.
So you fix the end and I'll talk about all the awsomeness that was in the game.
So you fix the end and I'll talk about all the awsomeness that was in the game.
#4324
Posté 16 mars 2012 - 09:07
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My thoughts about ME3 mirror alot of others on this topic. Great game up to a point, then super awesome dissapointment time!
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Posté 16 mars 2012 - 09:07
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what i would like to c is shepard in the council (or something heroish you know like after saving the galaxy) everyone is alive, garrus in the bar as he promised.
