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[dag1991]

 please ppl tell me what was the point of all the choices we made as com shepard if in the end it was all to pull that switch or that switch?

[Chronor]

"Well we knew that the ending would be polarizing..."

Yep..

"Loved the game" [Side 1] ..... "except for the ending" [Side 2]

Discuss.

/sarcasm

[Chuloos]

surleygentelman wrote...

honestly at this point the amount of anger over something that is not in anyway your control is beyond ridiculous an twitter and FB account dedicated to how much this adversely affected people, a complaint to the FTC and BBB really. At this point i hope Bio just shuts it all down no more ME at all turn the mp servers off and shut down the website. OK, now that i have gotten my insane knee jerk reaction out the way why don't we just stfu and wait and see what they do. If they have not addressed the issue in six months then go to town on them. I mean not you not me own a part of bioware and they owe us nothing. i know its cold to look at like that but its the truth. they are in this to make money not friends. and to comment on the endings the moment they start I.E once you start running towards the teleporter to the citadel the entire experince screams make your own ending from this point because we are going to putout DLC and charge you for it. again we may not like it but the choices are this don't take part in any DLC and continue to feel as if the ending made all the other enjoyable time with the game and series invalid and that is any and everyone's choice if want it to be or you can wait and but the DLC and then complain again about the new endings.

**** six months.  I paid my money already.  $80.  If you want to stfu.. then do it.. get out of the forums if you don't want to read or hear anymore.  That is your choice.  PAX East is coming in a couple weeks.. this is the time to really keep the pressure on.

If they close up.. so be it.. I already have an attorney.

[TheBandit554]

I don't know how much flame I'll get for this or if I'll get banned, but I have to ask you "fans" this:

Who the ****K gave YOU the right to spam, bother, and make fun of Bioware just because they made a game, that YOU LOVED, with an ending you didn't like?

Do you not realize the possibility for DLC? The possibility for future Mass Effect games? You people are so self-righteous, but when you finally get your way, are you going to be satisfied? How will you look at your self when they make more content you love? Maybe the staff were right to be sarcastic, with you rating their amazing game low just because of the ending. Where was this upheaval at ME1 and ME2's linear endings? All three took you to the same end, the same resolution.

Lay off and be patient you entitled pricks

[Asef Dimakiir]

twystedspyder wrote...

Asef Dimakiir wrote...

(Probably going to get some hate from this, particularly since I don't post much buut....)

I would really consider checking out the indoctrination theory. I've always wanted to get a first hand look at what experiencing indoctrination would be like through Shepard's eyes, especially considering how he's been around reaper artifacts and reapers longer than anyone. It's odd that he's been completely unaffected up 'til now. If that really ends up being the case, I have a large respect for bioware for attempting something unique and crazy rather than a ride off into the sunset happy and flowers. I don't think this is the end. I have a feeling after this Shepard will wake up which will probably extended by a DLC (hopefully cheap or free). Nevertheless, I have faith in bioware that they do put alot of passion and thought into their game. I find it hard to believe that the entire ME3 game is so awesome and full of character just to suddenly have such odd and abrupt things happen at the very end. Reading up on the indoctrination theory, things begin to make -alot- of sense. (Particularly since the child's 3D model asset is -named- harbinger.)

Harbinger's had a weird obsession with possessing Shepard for a long time now. It seems likely to me he'd try to indoctrinate and control him at this point (choosing the control reapers option is more than likely allowing Harbinger to control Shepard, alot of things are mirrored at the very end of the game, parallels to ME1 in particular. TIM's suicide, the giant beam of light (illos), the god VI (somewhat similar to Vigil, though that's a bit of a longshot.). The fact that Shepard is so...compliant to everything the child is telling him. To me it seems like a first hand experience of what indoctrination is like. You're being convinced that compromise is the best option. Just like Saren. Just like TIM. You're given three options because they are limited for a reason. Indoctrination makes you feel hopeless and set in your path. There is no resistance, there's only compromise. -Unless- you have the will and conviction to see through it. As for what happens afterwards -- his crew and joker ending up in a paradise planet, the squadmates that were with you suddenly oddly there? Its more than likely a comfort. Wishful thinking on Shepard's part -- consider how Mordin and Garrus talk about going somewhere tropical and retiring. This may be Harbinger 'rewarding' him for his compliance or just him hallucinating as a coping mechanism -- makes more sense to me than them just poofing on the normandy. If this is the ending, I love it. It shows that Shepard really is human, he's not some sort of indoctrination/reaper-resistant messiah being. It shows that the journey he went through, all the pain, all the no-win odds he pushed through were amazing feats -- but even he is human and vulnerable.

*Cough* Anyways. Think about it besides immediately raging. You might be surprised.

Thanks for reading my long-winded rant/counter-argument and thank you Bioware for the characters and the adventure. Hell, even the interesting ballsy ending (if that's the case.) I look forward to possibly seeing the DLC aftermath (hopefully) that'll bring us some closure.


EDIT: Just thought I'd add links to said theory. Well compiled by the community. Pretty awesome. Enjoy.

http://social.biowar...index/9727423/1

http://w11.zetaboard...opic/7688087/1/

Yep.  +1.  I know some people don't buy into this as a better ending, but many of us certainly do.  If this was planned and we're getting the rest of the ending sometime soon, I would be blown away.  If not, well...  I'd still be less upset if this interpretation at least was planned, even if there was never any planned DLC true ending.  Not preorder the next Bioware RPG or buy DLC for ME3 less upset, but certainly more open to new games less upset.

Thanks, appreciate it. Didn't know if it was a good idea to post this or not, but why the hell not. Take a look at something a friend of mine showed me: http://bit.ly/AiB1Hi

[Xannerz]

IDK if this was mentioned yet, but I recall reading an interview in a magazine (pre-release) and a dev mentioned that a lot of people were gonna be "really angry" with the ending. Anyone remember/read that?

Well... lol.

[Borothir]

Really hoping something good comes from this...

[majinbuu1307]

Chris Priestly wrote...
 What was your favorite moment?

Can't seem to recall since you put a taste of POO in my mouth with that ending.

[Xannerz]

Asef Dimakiir wrote...

Thanks, appreciate it. Didn't know if it was a good idea to post this or not, but why the hell not. Take a look at something a friend of mine showed me: http://bit.ly/AiB1Hi

That was proven to be a fake.

[Lyryn22]

I have loved this series. And many favorite ME3 moments that were mostly due to the emotional connection to members of my team developed over the 3 game storyline. The LOL moments & the poignant ones ( Hell yeah, I invested. Tears came to my eyes when Mordin died, when Thane died,when Legion attaining individuality & Tali recognized that he too had a soul.etc) I knew these people and cared. A rare experience in gaming.
The heights. The depths. Totally satisfying.
Until the ending.
I am still numb with huge disappointment.
BW you sucked the heart out of me.

[DJOrthodoxy]

I've just created created/activate my account to post in this thread.
Mass Effect  3 is probably the most amazing video game. Never before have been so emotionally invested  in a video game.
That said however the ending of the game has completely overshadowed all the positive for me and has had a negative impact on how I view the prior ME games.
The ending seems so out of place, seems to go against the themes the franchise had enforced up to that point. It's as everything you have been working to achieve so far is all been tossed aside and the freedom to choose ripped away from you in the cruelist way.
There is no closure, the logic is flawed and more importantly it seems to go against Sheppards character regardless if you played a paragon/renegade - It's as if you give up in the last 5 minutes.
This makes it difficult to enjoy the series as a whole because for me at least, there is a voice at the back of my head that says all descions and choice you make are pointless in the end so why bother.

It' is a shame really as Mass Effect 3 and the entire series was an amazing piece of work. It just deserved to go out on a bang rather than a pop.

[din626]

I have to say to the writers I kind of get what you were aiming for... but you really buggered it up.

And the whole raison d'etre of the reapers, we're here to ensure organic life exists, so we harvest it and make it semi-synthetic to ensure it's preserved was... really badly done.

The aim I can see from the "Last Hours" app was for a massively speculative ending. This could have been better acheived by never revealing why the Reapers did what they did. Soverign, Harbinger and "Blinky" (on Rannoch) all spoke to us like children fumbling in the dark, each saying we could never comprehend why they do what they do. This would have left all the fans clamouring (some would complain regardless but hey) and speculating until Earth itself was consumed by her own Sun. Which would've been utterly utterly brilliant.

Unfortunately we can, because you told us, and it seems really, really daft. They run about culling life when a certain level is found, namely synthetic life because eventually said Synthetic life would kill all organics, but the brilliant solution to it is to kill all the organics and make them semi-synthetic, leaving behind just enough technology to garuntee it'd happen again and again and again and again. That really just doesn't work and, I'm sorry to say, might mean that if/when you write another game you should hire some sort of proof readers that can check over certain story aspects to ensure there's an actual closure to a plot than... that.

Now it's valid to think that folks will complain because you managed to set the bar so fantastically high over three games and, for many people around 150+ hours of play time. Unfortunately when even I, a relatively mildly educated schlub from the UK can think of better endings than the one you presented us... you're in trouble.

I posted elsewhere that I've played and bought every game on day one since KOTR (bar DA:2). I'm not sure I'll be going that again and I find it kind of tragic that that's the attitude that I'm going to be taking towards a game company that I know and love because of not one, but several bungled games.

[ThatGuy39]

Damien Nightwind wrote...

Just curious if anyone from Bioware has actually posted in this thread other than the first post? I wonder if they have any idea what "active listening" is, basically it's kind of like talking to someone who doesnt move, doesnt make any sounds or anything. You cant really tell they are listening at all. Well no responses from Bioware gives the same impression here, if they dont post on the thread after starting it then they can say they are listening all the want, doesnt mean it's true.

So Bioware staff, you may want to start putting in a few responses to show you are actually listening, and please dont just say you are waiting for more people to finish the game.

On an unrelated note, i'm completely shocked which option is recieving the most votes on this: social.bioware.com/868606/polls/29708/

That is pretty shocking. Will this prevent me from playing future Bioware titles? No. As a matter of fact, I am looking forward to the rumored C&C Generals 2 which is supposedly being developed by Bioware, and I still want to play TOR. However, if it sets a precendent (like making Dragon Age 3, giving it a bad ending and then "fixing" it in a DLC, which is what is being rumored that they are going to do with ME3. ), it will prevent me from playing further Bioware games... fool me once, shame on me.. you know the rest.

Modifié par ThatGuy39, 16 mars 2012 - 10:11 .

[wwilt13]

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[quote]TheMerchantMan wrote...

Ah, finally. I've been stalking the forums for the last two days waiting for the ability to post.

Anyways. Thank you Mr. Priestly for at least letting us know you are listening about the ending, it worries me, of course, because I would prefer you were doing something, or  at least keeping something back, whereas listening seems to just prove that you weren't prepared for this, and I had hoped Bioware was better than that.

The problem with asking "what we enjoyed" before the end, is that the end has for all extensive purposes made the rest of the series unenjoyable. All the good we have done is ultimately futile in all of the possible end games. That hurts, and it means I can't revisit them.

I think perhaps the moment with the strongest impact on me, was the death of Legion. His act of messanic sacrifice to bring his people full sentience was touching in itself but when combined with his final question to Tali, and her answer "The answer is yes.". I was moved, moved more deeply than I have ever been before, it was cathartic and meaningful. I stood up and clapped in admiration, fought tears because it was simply beautiful.

I felt the same way when Mordin sacrificed himself for the good of the Krogans, while he hummed that silly song of his, bravely facing death to right his wrongs. It was conflicting, it was heart-wrenching, it made me feel as though I was there, that I wanted my shepard to go up and save him, but I knew I couldn't, he couldn't, It made me feel like I was truly inside the world.

But because of the ending you gave us. You have robbed these moments of their meaning. This is true regardless of what we ultimately choose.

If we choose the blue ending, which if I have any trust in your writer's abilities, I must imagine was a trap (though not necessarily the indoctrtination theory I'm sure you've heard much about), because the cognitive dissonance of Shepard when he is told about it, after just arguing with TIM that control was too risky is too maddeningly unsensical otherwise. And thus Legion and all other synthetics like him will be destroyed anyways.

If we choose the green, then it renders his sacrifice, as well as Mordin's sacrfice completely unnecessary, you turn two of the most moving moments in the game into things that are painful to watch afterwards, because all I want to say is "No, you don't need to, no there is another way" and that is all supposing that the Synthesis ending is indeed good. To me it sounds exactly like the drivel we heard from Saren, a further indictment towards my theory that the final moments of the game, were if not a dream, most certainly a trick.

Finally, if we choose the red, it destroys all the Geth and AI , rendering his sacrifice just as moot.

And even if someone how there were one, say the Blue in which Legion's sacfice could indeed have meant something, it is still meaningless because the Mass Relays are destroyed. The one thing that made this series what it was, the single most identifiable feature is destroyed, and yes, that makes sense for one of the endings, it's powerful and emotional, but when it is true of all the endings, it means that no matter what the sacrifices of Mordin, Legion, Thane, and Ashley. Indeed all of their sacrifices meant nothing, because humanity and the rest of the galaxy's races are a best sent back to the dark ages and at worst destroyed utterly.

The geth will not survive the end, the quarians will not survive the end, humanity does not survive the end, the turians do not survive the end. Not with any semblece of what you've fought for.



What's worse is that, supposing you meant for this to happen, supposing this end really was exactly what you intended to create, a dark and grim afterlook, one that culiminates not in joy but in a gut-wrenching sorrow. Then you were so close to creating it, but instead through the way you culiminated the final scene with the normandy and the Stargazer epilogue.
You missed the oppurtunity to make a haunting, dark, but ultimately inspirational ending. If you had simply used your discarded Chekov's Gun. Liaria's time capsule. No matter how you played, Liara introduces this time capsule. No? 
If you had wished for a no-win scenario, you could have discarded the entire end and simply let Shepard die. Humanity lose. The entire galaxy die. But that time capsule, would have made the ending brilliant. Brought the epilogue from tacked on and confusing to meaningful and inspiring. Life will go on, this will be the final cycle.

Instead, we get a message that seems to say to us, "everything you did" is meaningless, and that hurts.

Which reminds me, Liara was always my favourite character but where you took her in Mass Effect 3 brought her above and beyond, she developed in ways I never expected, I can truly say by the end of the game, I wished as though she were real. The moments like the time capsule, and of Thessia, and comforting her, these sorts of things gave me absolute chills.

But where do I go from here? I won't accept, nay can't accept that she is off on some other planet where she will never hear from me, of me, or at least of my death. Her story concluding with death in some far-flung planet, never having known that I saved the galaxy. Indeed, that is something overlooked on the forums, there is absolutely no way that without FTL communication, Joker, or any of the Normandy crew, indeed the entire galaxy would know that the Reapers had been defeated. Any world that hasn't been hit already will simply have to writhe in panic, the ones that have, at best know something has happened and at worst think they are the last organic life in the galaxy.

That's mind-numbingly bad. That invalidates the epilogue's ending even with the most cheery disposition. That reaches far beyond simple plot hole and into unforgivable mistake.

Anyways. Sorry, I'm still sore Bioware. But know this.

I'm not angry because I think you have failed, no. Mass Effect 3 is a triumph, as angry as I am about the ending, I reccomend any fan of the series buys the game, it is a masterpiece. It is a symphony, a beautiful end to the most engaging world I have ever been a part of, I am disappointed because that triumph is spoiled in the very last moments of the game, by something which throws away all that we cared for, all that you had done so well, all that truly made the series great. In favour of something that felt as though, and as the Ipad app now proves was, the result of hasty comprimise, misunderstanding and rushing.

Rather than the send-off we receive, we get mixed messages, mixed signals, convulted story elements and deus ex machina, where we already had a deus ex machina, the catalyst was already a god from the machine in the story, to make it literal seems like meta-humour gone terribly wrong.
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Quoting this as well in the off chance the important folks at Bioware read it. 

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Just wanted to add my support to this post.  It is a very well written response that explains many of my own reasons for being disappointed and proud of the game in a far better way than I would probably manage.

[majinbuu1307]

Don't ever let up on letting them know this ending(singular) is not acceptable. I paid 80(technically 100 cuz had to get collectors edition off ebay cuz they were out.)

That's like paying money for a home delivered meal and its great til the desert has a piece of sharp metal in it.

[SpuDSheraM]

Okay, first things I just want to say awesome game! Literally the best game I have played, EVER. The way the first 2 games you where building characters, teams, everything up for the final battle and could import your character.. epic!

The final game is by far the most emotional, involving and darn right addictive game I have ever played!
Best moment? I defiantly think you mean moments!

Tali / Geth take back homeworld.. unite quarians and geth.. Wish that had been even longer! Also attacking the server that really made a nice change.
The whole mordin / krogan mission. I was really sad to see Mordin go though.. Had a place in my heart he did!
Garrus and shooting on top of the citadel, that was great :')

Only wish that you could have had people like Miranda etc back on your team rather than doing there own thing (even though that was nice)


NOW, the bad. The ending?! What was going on?! It doesn't feel like the game is complete as I couldn't finish it the way I wanted. Isn't that what you promised Casey Hudson?
It created more question than it answered!

I just only hope you come to your senses and make a DLC or alternate ending (I.E as people have been theorising, the whole crucible scene is the reapers in Sheppard's head)
Why all the mass relays had to be blown up I don't know!
Surely that would allow you to much more easily carry on the Mass Effect Universe? I do however understand that you don't want to over do a good thing which is why sheppard story must end.. but please, give your fans the ending they want, they're choice, as that is what the game is about after all?

Many thanks,

Spud

[JasonC Shepard]

Something I'd like to say.  And hopefully others are saying this too.  Bioware, I have stood by you when you were attacked by Faux News along with your dedicated fans.  I stood by you when my friends and people I knew were trashing Mass Effect.  We have all stood by you over these years, but will you stand by us?

A majority of those dedicated fans (including I) are very disappointed in the ending.  I speak for the fans when I say we want a response to our concerns.  I have been posting on your twitter.  On your facebook.  Asking the same question:  "Are you thinking of changing the ending?"  I have recieved a response on twitter.  A response saying that you had no information at the time.

 I asked again, "
I don't understand that. You have been told in the thousands that your ending did not satisfy. You must have something. "  
They responded, "We're giving other players a chance to play more too, some haven't finished (i.e regions who may have gotten it later on)"
I asked for an ETA on the response and although I did not recieve an answer, someone else tweeted the same question and they confirmed that there is no ETA for a response

Although I do understand that there are people who have not beaten the game and you do not wish to spoil or possibly "ruin" the ending for them, I don't think any of us are asking for the whole plan at Bioware.  I believe we just want a little bit of closure for the time being, at least until you guys and gals over there get everything sorted out and make up your minds.  I think its time we got some feedback.  Don't you?

[Vilanova]

k177sh0t wrote...

ME3 is incredible from the start all the way up before the ending and  it just went downhill after that

First time I was emotionally attached to  video game characters (Garrus was well written and Liara). Mordin's death and Anderson actually made me shed manly tears. Im serious

It just added some confusion on mine

No epilogue of the surviving galactic species (Turian, Krogan, Asari, Human, Hanar, Volus, Battarian and Drell) and your Normandy crew

What happened to them? What's gonna happen to those who were not on their own planets?

What happened to the inhabitants of the Citadel? Were they evacuated?

What's the origin of the Reapers? Who created them? Organics or Intellectual Synthetics?

http://cdn2.gamefron...3/ME3yodawg.jpg

Choices were extremely limited in the end

I sadly stand by this too...

[Neuthung]

TheBandit554 wrote...

I don't know how much flame I'll get for this or if I'll get banned, but I have to ask you "fans" this:

Who the ****K gave YOU the right to spam, bother, and make fun of Bioware just because they made a game, that YOU LOVED, with an ending you didn't like?

Do you not realize the possibility for DLC? The possibility for future Mass Effect games? You people are so self-righteous, but when you finally get your way, are you going to be satisfied? How will you look at your self when they make more content you love? Maybe the staff were right to be sarcastic, with you rating their amazing game low just because of the ending. Where was this upheaval at ME1 and ME2's linear endings? All three took you to the same end, the same resolution.

Lay off and be patient you entitled pricks

I'll be pretty damned happy that they listened to their fans and allowed us to finish the brilliant game with an ending it deserved. Now get off your high horse and enough with the insults, it doesn't help that the side asking for endings is the side giving the rational arguments, the most rude posts I've seen in the past week and a half have all been from people telling us to stop asking for something we want.

[johnj1979]

I've finished the game and I think it a terrible way to end the series.

All talk no action and three options that have the same for outcome for Shepard.

Also with these endings what is the point of building allies between synthetics and organics.

[CanKneez]

Most posters here are the reason why we get the Call Of Duty Series. They are all the same games since 4 and they are all bad. Just chill out. Let them know you don't like it. Give suggestions and leave it be. You can't do nuts by shouting at them. Where is the respect nowadays? =/

-Personally: I do not mind the ending. It's that last part which gets me annoyed. If anything, the ending is just incomplete for a story focused game.

[Jamie9]

TheBandit554 wrote...

I don't know how much flame I'll get for this or if I'll get banned, but I have to ask you "fans" this:

Who the ****K gave YOU the right to spam, bother, and make fun of Bioware just because they made a game, that YOU LOVED, with an ending you didn't like?

Do you not realize the possibility for DLC? The possibility for future Mass Effect games? You people are so self-righteous, but when you finally get your way, are you going to be satisfied? How will you look at your self when they make more content you love? Maybe the staff were right to be sarcastic, with you rating their amazing game low just because of the ending. Where was this upheaval at ME1 and ME2's linear endings? All three took you to the same end, the same resolution.

Lay off and be patient you entitled pricks

I'm going to ignore the anger and the swear words. We don't have the right to spam them. At all. We do have the right to express our disappointment and we do have the right to "ask" for new endings.

The ending negates the reason that most people (at least from what I can see - I know there are those that do not) play Mass Effect for the different choices they can make. That and the compelling characters. The ending pretty much ignores both of these, and that is why people want it changed.

This next bit is strictly my opinion (all of it is but I am trying to be open-minded). I forgave the lack of effect the council decision from ME1 had on ME2, because they had to have ME3 start at the same point. It made sense. For ME3, they could go with wildly different decisions, because that is what we were told in interviews. Since the very beginning.

We're not entitled for anything. We're asking politely (most of us, again) because of our passion for Mass Effect. Some of us, myself included, will not buy another BioWare game unless something is at least "said". We are well within our rights to do so.

[Ksingh]

Feedback on Ending Scenario !
Dear developers & Program managers for mass effect 3 .
Ending has not complimented the beautiful storyline on which the mass effect was based. I urge you that you look into this on priority bases and have it corrected. It’s a beautiful game and if you would want to end Commander Shepard legacy there are other ways too. Without destroying the mass relays .

Here are a few suggestions
a) Give Shepard and Garrus an honorable discharge and let them live happily on citadel.

Let the repear creators in dark space know that the solution has failed and let them not be in milky way galaxy let them be in Andromedia Galaxy .

c) The future series we have attained a high level of cooperation between all the spieces in milky way and are dealing the real threat outside milky way the species who send these reapers for harvesting the civilization across galaxies .

d) Let the omega relay be the intergalactic jump relay

And build the future of game on those lines it would be beautiful and will give you so much more options to work with  once again on a positive note thanks for such a lovely game wish you can fix the game on similar lines and wish that mass relays are not destroyed . also please note there is no point taking out pre-sequel to time before shepard , let mass effect 4 be pointed in future .
All the best
Kind regards
Singh

Modifié par Ksingh, 16 mars 2012 - 10:17 .

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majinbuu1307 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...
 What was your favorite moment?

Can't seem to recall since you put a taste of POO in my mouth with that ending.

You must admit that what Grunt pulled of was pretty damn awsome if he survived and you freed the queen, again. 

[Hashbeth]

Dear Chris;
First and foremost, I really hope whoever was threatening FTC action realizes the error of their ways. The minute any such suit got to court (assuming that, somehow, a lawyer was crazy enough to TAKE the case) it would be thrown out in an instant.

Second and perhaps equally as important:
I've been trying to keep up with the responses, but I've noticed one thing:
Over 177 pages we have heard no answers or responses. From you or BioWare. Not even a 'I'm glad you liked this.'
Are you, sir, reading anything that has been so far posted? Please show us that you are. Currently, all I see is an attempt to deflect our criticism by asking us what we liked, and leaving us to post on this forum.

It is RUDE to listen to someone, say you're hearing them, and then when they ask a question or ask for your response, completely ignore them.