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[Zix13]

rastabud wrote...

Hello this post is directed to Mr Chris from bio-ware and his fellow team. Look i only ever post in the Tech support

forum because i rather help people get there games up and running than flame on about pointless dribble as

does so many people in this forum. But for the first time i shall make a post not directed at tech support but about

this story. Now this game is amazing and is everything i hoped for... but i must say i feel like the last 10 min really

did just ruin all 3 games. I had my worries after playing dragon age 2 and waiting for the game to really start and

of course it never did. My concerns were put to rest after playing ME3 for 5 min until the last 5 min. I went from

feeling yes this is it they finally did it made a game that was as perfect as a human could make it. Then silence

utter silence ........ All i could think was WTF was that did the writing team decide to let the interns finish the game,

did you run out of pot i mean really WTF. I appreciate everything your team has done really amazing work but and i

mean no insult.... how in the world did any of you that wrote this game, play it all the way through and say yeah

that's good right there. If i was you or a part of the team i really would be ashamed of my self for letting such a

poorly constructed ending release. The ending was the very antithesis of everything these games stood for your

choices meant nothing, in fact nothing i did in any of the games meant a thing. The plot holes in the ending are

big enough to drive a Saturn five rocket through. I read your post and sir if you think any thing the main stream

gaming media says is any way indicative of what the actual people that play this game think you are border line

deluded. I dont mean to sound harsh but your crediting the same reviewers that said kingdoms of amalur was a 9

out of 10 and we all know that it was a giant pile of rehashed garbage. Look i like the work you guys do but i will

say the games of the last 2 years have been disappointing to say the least. I had thought you guys maybe saved

the best for ME3 and you did except the last 5 min. I just dont understand how in the world you watched this

ending yourself and felt yea thats perfect i mean you guys made such a wonderful and emotionally engaging

game how could you let all that hard work just go down the drain. In the end all we have left to show we were here

is the work and people we left behind. I know you guys sacrificed so much to get this series done i am sure some

of you have worked on it since the beginning. I just don't understand how you guys could let the last 5 min of this

series destroy the whole thing. I am beyond disappointed and to be really honest Mr chris and team i am a bit

embarrassed for you even if you guys are not. I know i sound harsh but it is simply how i feel.... but i will say if

ANYONE can fix this its you guys. Thank You one sadden Mass Effect Fan

Interns would have done a better job. Pretty sure it was just some massive ego on the bioware team. I mean, almost anyone could make a better ending... It's just that the developers are blind to the reality of the trilogy they created.

[zotanas]

Legion. His development into an individual at the very moment he recognized the need for sacrifice. That was the single best, relevant, insightful, and moving moment in gaming I have ever seen.

My contention with ME3 stems from this very scene - that such brilliance is overshadowed by such reckless and wrenching lobotomy in the end.

It's such a complete waste.

[babachewie]

[quote]Omnike wrote...

[quote]babachewie wrote...

[quote]Omnike wrote...

[quote]babachewie wrote...

[quote]BWGungan wrote...

[quote]babachewie wrote...


Sure, it would have been faster, but it also would have been a different story altogether and probably wouldn't have dealt with a lot of the themes it does now.

ME has its own themes, choice and consequence, victory through unity, among other things, and discards them all in the final 10 minutes, along with everything the player achieved in the first 99% of the series.  It doesn't matter if you saved the Krogans, the Geth and the Quarians because they don't contribute at all to the ending.  It doesn't even matter if you wiped them all out.  The ending is still the same.

[/quote] It does matter. It mattered to the point that you got to expereince some cool stuff. So what if the endings the same. Even though they're not. And who cares if you don;' know what happend after. I didn't get to see what happened to Leo in Inception.  I just accepted it. Hell even the first two MEs only had 2 choices and all you got was slightly different diaogue depending on what you did.  From what I read from Casey said he knows  you people are pissed but he also knows some people really liked it. He's not gonna risk changing the ending for you people and end up pissing off a whole other group of people. He loses either way. In fact this whole **** fest is playing right into their hands. They wanted this. That people are talking about it. good or bad. So good job


[/quote]

Don't even try to compare passive media to interactive ones.  And no, it didn't matter if you saved Krogans, Geth and Quarians in the end because none of them participate in the space battle, or have any effect on the ending.[/quote]

interactive media, passive media. It's the same thing. It's aform of visual entertainment. Its trying to tell you a story. unless you're playing tettris or something. They get hollywood writers to even do it sometimes.  On noooooss you didnt see them in the space battle. Who cares? They aren't gonna make 2000 cutscenes that differ so slightly from one another. A Disk can only hold so much. All those endings you wanted probably would of taken a whole disk. 

[/quote]

Then you are not a true Mass Effect fan. You are looking for borderline entertainment, and that's fine. But don't try to say that we are unjustified for wanting the endings we were promised. We want what we payed for. We did not recieve, they did not deliver. We are disapointed. Passive and interactive entertainment are not the same thing. You can tell because they have different names.


[/quote] I guarantee im a bigger fan than you. You're just a bunch of kids screaming in the middle of a grocery store trying to get attention for something your'e never gonna get. The real fans are just waiting for you all to just tucker out and go away. And promised? You know how many things developers promise and never follow through on? Just ask Peter Molyneux. Game Developers always overreach when it comes to making promises. So you feel you got screwed. big deal. I say Bioware did well enough
[/quote]

How? How can you say they did enough? Where did your choices go? How does it feel knowing you got the same endings that the dude that rushed through on easy mode got? It's like the rest of the game blew out your a** and you said "Oh Shepard died so it's artistic". No. Wrong.

[/quote] THE CHOICES THE CHOICES WHERE ARE THE CHOICES!!!!! Thats all I here. If ME3 is the last of the trilogy can't you all just try to think of the whole game as the ending and not the last 5 minuntes. All it was doin was wraping up ****. Whether those last 3 choices negated everything doesnt matter. Its the end. To me its the journey. I destroyed so my character is fine. Also DLC is on the way and who knows what it is?....Well I know its not a new ending but other than that...

Modifié par babachewie, 17 mars 2012 - 04:42 .

[Mcfly616]

Haven't seen "bwFex's" post quoted in a few pages.....single best post in this entire thread. As evidenced by it being reposted on nearly half of the 195 pages....someone get to it.. Bioware NEEDS to SEE it!

[ohenn]

shephard987 wrote...



Here, Bioware. This guy knows what we're thinking and feeling.
 

thanks for the video... its very true

[Omnike]

[quote]babachewie wrote...

[quote]Omnike wrote...

[quote]babachewie wrote...

[quote]Omnike wrote...

[quote]babachewie wrote...

[quote]BWGungan wrote...

[quote]babachewie wrote...


Sure, it would have been faster, but it also would have been a different story altogether and probably wouldn't have dealt with a lot of the themes it does now.

ME has its own themes, choice and consequence, victory through unity, among other things, and discards them all in the final 10 minutes, along with everything the player achieved in the first 99% of the series.  It doesn't matter if you saved the Krogans, the Geth and the Quarians because they don't contribute at all to the ending.  It doesn't even matter if you wiped them all out.  The ending is still the same.

[/quote] It does matter. It mattered to the point that you got to expereince some cool stuff. So what if the endings the same. Even though they're not. And who cares if you don;' know what happend after. I didn't get to see what happened to Leo in Inception.  I just accepted it. Hell even the first two MEs only had 2 choices and all you got was slightly different diaogue depending on what you did.  From what I read from Casey said he knows  you people are pissed but he also knows some people really liked it. He's not gonna risk changing the ending for you people and end up pissing off a whole other group of people. He loses either way. In fact this whole **** fest is playing right into their hands. They wanted this. That people are talking about it. good or bad. So good job


[/quote]

Don't even try to compare passive media to interactive ones.  And no, it didn't matter if you saved Krogans, Geth and Quarians in the end because none of them participate in the space battle, or have any effect on the ending.[/quote]

interactive media, passive media. It's the same thing. It's aform of visual entertainment. Its trying to tell you a story. unless you're playing tettris or something. They get hollywood writers to even do it sometimes.  On noooooss you didnt see them in the space battle. Who cares? They aren't gonna make 2000 cutscenes that differ so slightly from one another. A Disk can only hold so much. All those endings you wanted probably would of taken a whole disk. 

[/quote]

Then you are not a true Mass Effect fan. You are looking for borderline entertainment, and that's fine. But don't try to say that we are unjustified for wanting the endings we were promised. We want what we payed for. We did not recieve, they did not deliver. We are disapointed. Passive and interactive entertainment are not the same thing. You can tell because they have different names.


[/quote] I guarantee im a bigger fan than you. You're just a bunch of kids screaming in the middle of a grocery store trying to get attention for something your'e never gonna get. The real fans are just waiting for you all to just tucker out and go away. And promised? You know how many things developers promise and never follow through on? Just ask Peter Molyneux. Game Developers always overreach when it comes to making promises. So you feel you got screwed. big deal. I say Bioware did well enough
[/quote]

How? How can you say they did enough? Where did your choices go? How does it feel knowing you got the same endings that the dude that rushed through on easy mode got? It's like the rest of the game blew out your a** and you said "Oh Shepard died so it's artistic". No. Wrong.

[/quote] THE CHOICES THE CHOICES WHERE ARE THE CHOICES!!!!! Thats all I here. If ME3 is the last of the trilogy can't you all just try to think of the whole game as the ending and not the last 5 minuntes. All it was doin was wraping up ****. Whether those last 3 choices negated everything doesnt matter. Its the end. To me its the journey. I destroyed so my character is fine. Also DLC is on the way and who knows why it is?....Well I know its not a new ending but other than that...
[/quote]

It's not the end. They ended nothing. Nothing was closed. How are you this blind to it? You can't come out and say "The whole game you have been crafting and ending for doesn't actually have any impact on past events. You did it all for nothing. These are the ABC endings we said would never be there. Lol, bye." A journey is complete with a sound end that the journey was working to. This end was so far off the journey that it didn't feel right. Where did your choice in the end go? Why did Shepard suddenly roll over and say "okay". It doesn't add up. None of it does.

[lasertank]

I belived that most of us enjoyed the series of the Matrix. Although in the end of the Matrix: Revolution there are still tons of questions left unanswered, audiences are still satisfied with the ending. Neo sacrificed himself to earn the peace between humans and machines. No definitive epilogue for other characters. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? In the picture of the Final Hour app, we've got concrete evidence that writers of ME3 are influenced by the Matrix. They want to give us a bittersweet ending just like the Matrix did. So, what's wrong with ME3?

Matrix 1 gave us a truly hopeful and uplifting ending. A similar ending was also given in ME1. Both Shepard and Neo showed extraordinary characteristics. They both fought enemies, which were considered invulnerable by most of us, and won. However, bigger challenges await them. And we wonder how would they fight the battle in the future. I think most of us would agree the tones of both stories are basically pretty similar.

However, things went differently in the second chapter in ME and Matrix. After Matrix, Matrix: Animation was presented to pave the road to Matrix: Reloaded. In Matrix: Animation, you may quickly discover that the tone of story is much darker and deeper than Matrix 1. The enemy, namely the machine, is not purely evil. Instead, it is human (at least in my opinion) started the war. The machine attempted to seek peace but failed. The most important purpose of Matrix: Animation is to disprove the idea "Just destroy all the machines and there will be peace." There are complication, knots, and conflicts. In Matrix: Reloaded the idea was presented more clearly. The One is simply another control imposed on humans, and no one knows how to end the war. Neo, Trinity, Morpheus, and every other character is disappointed (except those who do not believe in the prophecy). Their faith was not rewarded. They are simply proven wrong.

Let's go back to ME. Is the tone of the ending of ME3 different from ME1? I believed that every one would agree. So, where did the convertion of the tone start? When was the reaper proven not being purely evil?

The question is so important. If the reaper is purely evil no one would believe in their words. Not you. Not me. Not Shepard of course. Note that the conversation with Sovereign and Harbinger would not suffice for this purpose. In Matrix, Smith indeed gave us an excellent speech about the idea "Humans are cancer and disease, and we are the cure", but would that change your opinions about the machine?

My answer --> The speech given by the Starchild in the last 5 minutes of ME3. If anyone has a different opinion on this please share your opinions with me. I'd really like to discuss with you.

The speech is similar to the talk given by the Architect of Matrix: Reloaded. Neo's reaction is pretty clear: Denial. Note that all of his predecessors accepted what the Architect said. However, Neo refused the proposal and chose to save Trinity, leave the Matrix, and tell others the disappointing fact: He is nothing more a tool to control humans and Zeon would fall.

Why would he do that? Acceptance should be the most practical and the only solution for him.

Because that's why the story can continue and expand. It brought us the epic battle in Zeon. It led us to the final confrontation between Neo and Smith. It also broke the ineviable cycle imposed on human rebellion. If he had accepted the proposal, the story would end right there.

The Shepard in the ending of ME3 is a Neo who accepted the proposal.

How is that an EPIC story?

[babachewie]

[quote]Omnike wrote...

[quote]babachewie wrote...

[quote]Omnike wrote...

[quote]babachewie wrote...

[quote]Omnike wrote...

[quote]babachewie wrote...

[quote]BWGungan wrote...

[quote]babachewie wrote...


Sure, it would have been faster, but it also would have been a different story altogether and probably wouldn't have dealt with a lot of the themes it does now.

ME has its own themes, choice and consequence, victory through unity, among other things, and discards them all in the final 10 minutes, along with everything the player achieved in the first 99% of the series.  It doesn't matter if you saved the Krogans, the Geth and the Quarians because they don't contribute at all to the ending.  It doesn't even matter if you wiped them all out.  The ending is still the same.

[/quote] It does matter. It mattered to the point that you got to expereince some cool stuff. So what if the endings the same. Even though they're not. And who cares if you don;' know what happend after. I didn't get to see what happened to Leo in Inception.  I just accepted it. Hell even the first two MEs only had 2 choices and all you got was slightly different diaogue depending on what you did.  From what I read from Casey said he knows  you people are pissed but he also knows some people really liked it. He's not gonna risk changing the ending for you people and end up pissing off a whole other group of people. He loses either way. In fact this whole **** fest is playing right into their hands. They wanted this. That people are talking about it. good or bad. So good job


[/quote]

Don't even try to compare passive media to interactive ones.  And no, it didn't matter if you saved Krogans, Geth and Quarians in the end because none of them participate in the space battle, or have any effect on the ending.[/quote]

interactive media, passive media. It's the same thing. It's aform of visual entertainment. Its trying to tell you a story. unless you're playing tettris or something. They get hollywood writers to even do it sometimes.  On noooooss you didnt see them in the space battle. Who cares? They aren't gonna make 2000 cutscenes that differ so slightly from one another. A Disk can only hold so much. All those endings you wanted probably would of taken a whole disk. 

[/quote]

Then you are not a true Mass Effect fan. You are looking for borderline entertainment, and that's fine. But don't try to say that we are unjustified for wanting the endings we were promised. We want what we payed for. We did not recieve, they did not deliver. We are disapointed. Passive and interactive entertainment are not the same thing. You can tell because they have different names.


[/quote] I guarantee im a bigger fan than you. You're just a bunch of kids screaming in the middle of a grocery store trying to get attention for something your'e never gonna get. The real fans are just waiting for you all to just tucker out and go away. And promised? You know how many things developers promise and never follow through on? Just ask Peter Molyneux. Game Developers always overreach when it comes to making promises. So you feel you got screwed. big deal. I say Bioware did well enough
[/quote]

How? How can you say they did enough? Where did your choices go? How does it feel knowing you got the same endings that the dude that rushed through on easy mode got? It's like the rest of the game blew out your a** and you said "Oh Shepard died so it's artistic". No. Wrong.

[/quote] THE CHOICES THE CHOICES WHERE ARE THE CHOICES!!!!! Thats all I here. If ME3 is the last of the trilogy can't you all just try to think of the whole game as the ending and not the last 5 minuntes. All it was doin was wraping up ****. Whether those last 3 choices negated everything doesnt matter. Its the end. To me its the journey. I destroyed so my character is fine. Also DLC is on the way and who knows why it is?....Well I know its not a new ending but other than that...
[/quote]

It's not the end. They ended nothing. Nothing was closed. How are you this blind to it? You can't come out and say "The whole game you have been crafting and ending for doesn't actually have any impact on past events. You did it all for nothing. These are the ABC endings we said would never be there. Lol, bye." A journey is complete with a sound end that the journey was working to. This end was so far off the journey that it didn't feel right. Where did your choice in the end go? Why did Shepard suddenly roll over and say "okay". It doesn't add up. None of it does.

[/quote] Actually it didnt matter. You can play the game without even playing the other 2 and it still plays outs to that end. Choice is an illusion my friend. It's game that head to one destination with multiple paths. I'm sorry you just figured that out. Everything lead to that one point. the ending. Thats what Bioware wanted. I'm satisfied. Unlike with DA2. I've beaen the other ones 10 times at least and still do repeats. ME3 is the greatest game ive ever played and shepard passed Solid Snake as the greatest Vg character of all time to me. Sorry if none of you get the ending, but a lot of us did. And even if some didnt at least some arent actiing like spoiled kids and are actually waiting patietly for Bioware to gather info from around the world befor making annoucments. It was just released in Japan yesterday. 35,000 on a stupid facebook page isn't gonna get in the way of  the grand schome of things they have planned I'm sure.

Modifié par babachewie, 17 mars 2012 - 04:56 .

[monsoontide]

Although probably discussed, I wonder how much pressure there was on Bioware from EA to deliver the game? I seem to recall it was only delayed because of the leaked BETA... and that EA was pressuring Bioware for a first person shooter standalone (which morphed into the multiplayer we have now). It wouldn't be the first time a publisher has rushed a developer to meet some arbitrary deadline in order to meet quarterly profit margins... I seem to recall something similar happening to KOTOR 2 - half the stroy lines vanishing and later people finding half finished content on the disks...

[Omnike]

[quote]babachewie wrote...

[quote]Omnike wrote...

[quote]babachewie wrote...

[quote]Omnike wrote...

[quote]babachewie wrote...

[quote]Omnike wrote...

[quote]babachewie wrote...

[quote]BWGungan wrote...

[quote]babachewie wrote...


Sure, it would have been faster, but it also would have been a different story altogether and probably wouldn't have dealt with a lot of the themes it does now.

ME has its own themes, choice and consequence, victory through unity, among other things, and discards them all in the final 10 minutes, along with everything the player achieved in the first 99% of the series.  It doesn't matter if you saved the Krogans, the Geth and the Quarians because they don't contribute at all to the ending.  It doesn't even matter if you wiped them all out.  The ending is still the same.

[/quote] It does matter. It mattered to the point that you got to expereince some cool stuff. So what if the endings the same. Even though they're not. And who cares if you don;' know what happend after. I didn't get to see what happened to Leo in Inception.  I just accepted it. Hell even the first two MEs only had 2 choices and all you got was slightly different diaogue depending on what you did.  From what I read from Casey said he knows  you people are pissed but he also knows some people really liked it. He's not gonna risk changing the ending for you people and end up pissing off a whole other group of people. He loses either way. In fact this whole **** fest is playing right into their hands. They wanted this. That people are talking about it. good or bad. So good job


[/quote]

Don't even try to compare passive media to interactive ones.  And no, it didn't matter if you saved Krogans, Geth and Quarians in the end because none of them participate in the space battle, or have any effect on the ending.[/quote]

interactive media, passive media. It's the same thing. It's aform of visual entertainment. Its trying to tell you a story. unless you're playing tettris or something. They get hollywood writers to even do it sometimes.  On noooooss you didnt see them in the space battle. Who cares? They aren't gonna make 2000 cutscenes that differ so slightly from one another. A Disk can only hold so much. All those endings you wanted probably would of taken a whole disk. 

[/quote]

Then you are not a true Mass Effect fan. You are looking for borderline entertainment, and that's fine. But don't try to say that we are unjustified for wanting the endings we were promised. We want what we payed for. We did not recieve, they did not deliver. We are disapointed. Passive and interactive entertainment are not the same thing. You can tell because they have different names.


[/quote] I guarantee im a bigger fan than you. You're just a bunch of kids screaming in the middle of a grocery store trying to get attention for something your'e never gonna get. The real fans are just waiting for you all to just tucker out and go away. And promised? You know how many things developers promise and never follow through on? Just ask Peter Molyneux. Game Developers always overreach when it comes to making promises. So you feel you got screwed. big deal. I say Bioware did well enough
[/quote]

How? How can you say they did enough? Where did your choices go? How does it feel knowing you got the same endings that the dude that rushed through on easy mode got? It's like the rest of the game blew out your a** and you said "Oh Shepard died so it's artistic". No. Wrong.

[/quote] THE CHOICES THE CHOICES WHERE ARE THE CHOICES!!!!! Thats all I here. If ME3 is the last of the trilogy can't you all just try to think of the whole game as the ending and not the last 5 minuntes. All it was doin was wraping up ****. Whether those last 3 choices negated everything doesnt matter. Its the end. To me its the journey. I destroyed so my character is fine. Also DLC is on the way and who knows why it is?....Well I know its not a new ending but other than that...
[/quote]

It's not the end. They ended nothing. Nothing was closed. How are you this blind to it? You can't come out and say "The whole game you have been crafting and ending for doesn't actually have any impact on past events. You did it all for nothing. These are the ABC endings we said would never be there. Lol, bye." A journey is complete with a sound end that the journey was working to. This end was so far off the journey that it didn't feel right. Where did your choice in the end go? Why did Shepard suddenly roll over and say "okay". It doesn't add up. None of it does.

[/quote] Actually it didnt matter. You can play the game without even playing the other 2 and it still plays outs to that end. Choice is an illusion my friend. It's game that head to one destination with multiple paths. I'm sorry you just figured that out. Everything lead to that one point. the ending. Thats Bioware wanted. I'm satisfied. I've beaen the other ones 10 times at least and still do repeats. ME3 is the greatest game ive ever played and shepard pass Solid SNake as the greatest Vg character of all time. Sorry if none of you get the ending, but a lot of us did. And even if some didnt at least some arent actiing like spoiled kids and are actually waiting patietly for Bioware to gather info from around the world befor making annoucments. It was just released in Japan yesterday. 35,00 on a stupid facebook page isn't gonna get in the way of  the grand schome of things they have planned I'm sure
[/quote]

There was nothing to get. It was stupid. Nothing was explained. Everything went into the dark ages again. You fought for nothing. And you just called Bioware liars. Which they are right now. Thank you.

[babachewie]

[/quote] Well if that's what you believe than i feel sorry for you. I guess you and a lot of others missed the point

[ShepGep]

I loved the fact that all of the choices you made throughout the game had consequences...until the final 15 minutes of the game.

[BWGungan]

lasertank wrote...

I belived that most of us enjoyed the series of the Matrix. Although in the end of the Matrix: Revolution there are still tons of questions left unanswered, audiences are still satisfied with the ending. Neo sacrificed himself to earn the peace between humans and machines. No definitive epilogue for other characters. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? In the picture of the Final Hour app, we've got concrete evidence that writers of ME3 are influenced by the Matrix. They want to give us a bittersweet ending just like the Matrix did. So, what's wrong with ME3?

*snip*
How is that an EPIC story?

The Matrix had an epilogue.

[Omnike]

babachewie wrote...



 Well if that's what you believe than i feel sorry for you. I guess you and a lot of others missed the point

It's not what we "believe", it's what we know. Who is the star child? Why did Shepard suddenly break character? Please, if you understand it as you claim to, explain to the mass who seemingly can't understand.

Modifié par Omnike, 17 mars 2012 - 05:01 .

[J.Random]

Chris Priestly wrote...
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending

I like how you don't use plural here. As if you know subconsciously that there actually is one, and only one ending, just colored differently.

[Merlyn Nedep]

I loved the Krogan/Turian relationship, how the genophage cure was handled, the conclusion to the Geth/Quarian conflict.  I love this series. I love this game (EXCEPT, the last five minutes). 

[babachewie]

[quote]Omnike wrote...

[quote]babachewie wrote...



[/quote] Well if that's what you believe than i feel sorry for you. I guess you and a lot of others missed the point
[/quote]

It's not what we "believe", it's what we know. Who is the star child? Why did Shepard suddenly break character? Please, if you understand it as you claim to, explain to the mass who seemingly can't understand.

[/quote] I don't know. He's the catalyst. Thats what he said. I didnt really trust him. Thats why I chose destroy. My Shepard didnt break character. Probably what he would of done. 

[Omnike]

babachewie wrote...

Omnike wrote...

babachewie wrote...



]Well if that's what you believe than i feel sorry for you. I guess you and a lot of others missed the point

It's not what we "believe", it's what we know. Who is the star child? Why did Shepard suddenly break character? Please, if you understand it as you claim to, explain to the mass who seemingly can't understand.

I don't know. He's the catalyst. Thats what he said. I didnt really trust him. Thats why I chose destroy. My Shepard didnt break character. Probably what he would of done. 

There was no way to shut the reapers down? It had been established that they have unique codes that run the reapers. And why to the mass relays get destroyed in EVERY ending? Why is every ending exactly the same? If this is Bioware's plan all along, why did they say this is exactly what wouldn't happen? This is much bigger scale than Peter Molyneux. You don't build up three games just to yank the entire build up of them out at the last minute.

[asterix404]

This is by far the best trilogy that I have spent years playing. This is
excellent enough to actually write to you all in the giant abyss
which is the Internet. I will tell you though, if you liked "The
Matrix" you will love this. My favorite moments is basically
watching all of the characters grow and develop. Once the first few
died, I figured that Sheppard would end up dead in the end and it
would go down as the best tragedy  I have played in years. The
ending was one which I was not expecting in such great detail. The
narrative of “the warrior will never see the peaceful promised
land” is epic in its history.

The only problem that I have is that I was really hoping that Sheppard
and the characters lover would be able to find peace and that all
would be well, if so chosen or go out with a blaze of glory, if so
chosen with both options saving the reapers and the universe. It was
obvious Sheppard was special, which is why I liked brokering a deal
with the Citadel. It would have been nice to talk about who created
the reapers and a better, more fulfilling summation with the illusive
man. That was a weak ending for whom should have been the last boss
fight, or maybe a reaper himself left after the last cycle, or even a
VI who has changed it's form for ever, developed by the reapers or
left by the Protheans. Basically, something other than a single scene
with his death. Ironically, he behaved more like a Prothean than the
harbinger of Prothean vengeance did.


Over all, a beautiful tragedy in a long line of epic stories which has
lasted since Exodus and will continue to outlast us all. Wonderful
story telling, thank you for making this game. 

Modifié par asterix404, 17 mars 2012 - 05:06 .

[Your Other Dad]

 My favorite part is probably in Mass Effect 3 on rannoch. Intimate Tali scenes and huge ass Reaper and Shepard 1 on 1 fight! That was so awesome, I mean seriously you stop your car get out and **** that reaper up...ON FOOT!
   One of the reasons I wish there was an epilouge because I just made Wrex look like a ****. 

   And holy crap, I hate Kai Leng! He seriously was an ****, I wanted to punch him in the face for the longest time then Shepard breaks his sword in half with his fist and stabs him in the stomach! Though I wonder how the Hell James and EDI didn't hear that grunting...then again it was a very awesome view.

   And holy **** why is Jack not MY school teacher?! She was SOOOO worth saving in the end! I really wanted to see at least a small scene of her and her group of kids just ****ing up some Reaper drones!

Kinda wish Cortez and Traynor were a bit more fleshed out though. Seemed to me they were just there to be Gay options...though for a computer generated image Traynor was pretty ****ing hot. 

  And the soundtrack was AMAZING I was on the verge of tears the entire game, I mean my god you guys jumped a hundred times forward in the soundtrack! 

 But overall my favorite Shepard moment in Mass Effect history is the moment between Tali and Shepard after killing the Reaper on Rannoch, Legion di-passing away, and creating peace between the Geth and the Quarians if you have a romance with Tali. Excellent writing, excellent setting, excellent everything. It's really too bad you guys messed up the ending so bad because the rest of the game is just so damn awesome! 

[babachewie]

Omnike wrote...

babachewie wrote...

Omnike wrote...

babachewie wrote...



]Well if that's what you believe than i feel sorry for you. I guess you and a lot of others missed the point

It's not what we "believe", it's what we know. Who is the star child? Why did Shepard suddenly break character? Please, if you understand it as you claim to, explain to the mass who seemingly can't understand.

I don't know. He's the catalyst. Thats what he said. I didnt really trust him. Thats why I chose destroy. My Shepard didnt break character. Probably what he would of done. 

There was no way to shut the reapers down? It had been established that they have unique codes that run the reapers. And why to the mass relays get destroyed in EVERY ending? Why is every ending exactly the same? If this is Bioware's plan all along, why did they say this is exactly what wouldn't happen? This is much bigger scale than Peter Molyneux. You don't build up three games just to yank the entire build up of them out at the last minute.

It happened because thats how it was suppose ot happen. The galaxy is at war and people were dying as shepard wasted time. He had 3 choices. Had to go with his gut. The mass relays were used as a way to channel the energy fromt he crucible to all the systems and it over loaded them. Plus if they are gonna start a new trilogy with a new canon they can't have 30 completely different endings to have to choose from the last one. People will just be complaining they picked the wrong one. They had to make them different but sorta the same. 

Modifié par babachewie, 17 mars 2012 - 05:12 .

[Sephistrife21]

maideltq wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

DNC_N7 wrote...

This is the best post I have read anywhere about how nonsensical this ending is. This pains me MORE than the nonsensical Star Wars novels that literally destroy the entire storyline there. This is worse... I didn't think anyone could have possibly beaten those, but Congratulations BioWare... or is it EA...

Akael_Bayn wrote...

Quick, deflect the topic to something positive!

...yeah, we're not stupid, you know?
Don't give us this "We don't want to spoil things for people who aren't done BS. 

How about a straight answer about where all the many and varied endings we were promised went?




“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets?”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.”

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.”

My god...He really said that? And the ending we got...

Anger level increased x10.

Anger level increased xInfinite.

Disapointment level limitless...

Anger > 9,000

[ed87]

maideltq wrote...

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

DNC_N7 wrote...

This is the best post I have read anywhere about how nonsensical this ending is. This pains me MORE than the nonsensical Star Wars novels that literally destroy the entire storyline there. This is worse... I didn't think anyone could have possibly beaten those, but Congratulations BioWare... or is it EA...

Akael_Bayn wrote...

Quick, deflect the topic to something positive!

...yeah, we're not stupid, you know?
Don't give us this "We don't want to spoil things for people who aren't done BS. 

How about a straight answer about where all the many and varied endings we were promised went?




“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets?”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.”

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.”

My god...He really said that? And the ending we got...

Anger level increased x10.

Anger level increased xInfinite.

Disapointment level limitless...

Massively disappointed in Bioware...

[Terror_K]

Here's a point about ME3 that just gets to me: I thought this one was supposed to be the most diverse of the three, and a chance for our previous decisions to really blossom and branch out because the developers could go nuts since there was nowhere to go from here. It was the final chance, a true opportunity to make our prior choices count and offer some really diverse outcomes.

And yet, ME3 was the most linear and on-the-rails of the three, even if you ignore the endings. Nothing you did really mattered beyond being war assets or not, which in the end barely effected anything. You still went from A to B to C to D, etc. and circumstances were largely the same no matter what you did. If somebody was dead, somebody else was almost always there to fill the role. If you made decision X instead of Y, it still resulting in outcome Z because the issue was forced to happen somehow anyway. And on top of it all, Shepard usually only had two choices whenever a wheel popped up, there were a miniscule amount of Charm/Intimidate moments and Shepard spoke with no input from the player more often than not via autodialogue. Talk about a wasted opportunity for the final part.