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Pangloss0 wrote...
ME3 was incredible! Already on a third full play-through, and this from someone who has to burn the midnight oil for every minute of play time. While the illusion of control through the dialogue wheel was blunted, the storytelling was excellent. This beat the heck out of any other rpg - at least tied all the greats, if it didn’t exceed them, which I really think it did. This was a more mature ending than one expects - and that makes it great.
A favorite moment is hard to isolate. I appreciate the many other comments listing several key moments. If I had to pick just one - right now, I would go with Mordin sacrificing himself to cure the genophage. For Mordin to give his life to essentially undue his life's work... a breathtaking use of the hero's journey, using one's last life-breath to reverse one's own legacy, to overcome one's own hubris, one's own evil... to even acknowledge the fault... tremendous. Better, even, than the Skywalker redemption.
And, let me just say that the facet of the ending that seems to have folks most cheesed off - that Shep must sacrifice her/himself, is pitch perfect. There are some foibles in the ending, but all explainable, all reasonable, and (at least in all the “good” endings, with adequately high EMS) not necessarily depressing, depending upon one’s interpretations and assumptions. And, thanks for leaving something open to the imagination. Depending on the ending selected, or really with any of the “good” endings selected, one can reasonably see some kind of further existence for Shep… maybe not bodily, but that just opens up the science fiction iris a little wider. As the post-credit dialogue implies, there’s a galaxy of amazing potential out there… and a bigger universe beyond. And, thanks, in advance, for whatever you might do in DLC - if you have anything on par with Shadow Broker or Arrival, you’ll get my $$.
So, thanks for an excellent game, for a conclusion worthy of such an excellent narrative.
Not to be rude but I don't think you understand why people are mad. SO many people have said they expected Shep to die, the problem is that there is no closure for a game that was supposed to tie everything together.
First, that's not at all rude - but thanks for the cordiality. Second, I didn't discount anyone else's discontent, but I do have a very different take on the ending than those who are displeased. I'll also say that I don't think that those displeased with the end are monolithic - that is, I have read and can understand various complaints. I just don't share most of them, and none of them ruined the ending for me.
As for closure, let me offer this: in the context of a game that took on fundamentally existential questions, it strikes me that there is simply no such thing as closure. Closure is, itself, largely illusory. No matter what, unless BioWare gave us an extended prologue that followed through to every character's demise, there would always be an open road ahead, full of potential, good and bad. Even beyond that, the galaxy would go on, open-ended. What makes the ending for me is that it brought Shep's story to a close, but blew the door open for the remaining story of the galaxy, and the greater universe beyond.
I can respect that may not suit everyone’s taste. As the Romans said, de gustibus non est disputandum - there is no disputing taste.
Cheers, and thanks, again, for the civil discussion.
''but blew the door open for the remaining story of the galaxy, and the greater universe beyond.''
I don't know how you can say that with the mass relays destroyed in ALL 3 ENDINGS. According to Arrival the shockwave from the destruction of a Mass relay wipes out the planets in its cluster. So why should the galaxy miraculously survive this time. This is what made us so mad. All 3 endings screws you over not to mention the most important questions remain unanswered. Like who created the Reapers, how long have they existed, why didn't they simply destroy the syntheticsc instead of harvesting the organics keeping them ''safe'' from their AI creations. Its a BIG mess. Well nothing will change the ending now anyway all I am hoping for is Mass Effect 4 or another game in the franchise that clarifies what the hell that last scene was whether it was an illusion or whatever you have to agree Anderson and Shep making it to the beam while the radio repeats twice that no one made and party members that should have been dead magically appearing on the Normandy looks lame. If this is the last ME then I will be disappointed.
Well, in any discussion, we have to remember that we are all many times different in our basic values and what's important, what's not. Timing and understanding plays a role too. We view things differently and that's really a good thing. If we all thought the same at the same time, we would look like a bunch of bobble heads on a car dashboard. I am sorry to use your posts to launch mine but it appeared that you both had good objectives and it leads in to what I would like to say. Please bare with me.
For me, I cling to or have instilled from early childhood a distinct set of values. The game for me violates those values as I will explain. If the game was promoted as a simple shoot-em up or a fantasy, I would not be having any problems with it. I would have been OK because my expectations would have been completely different. Perceptions and expectations are paramount.
You see, I believe as many do, that what we do in our lives does matter. If not for that, there would be no reason for existence but to just exist. The word exist means: 1 have objective reality or being. 2 live, especially under adverse conditions. But to simply exist has no value at least not for me and many others. This is where some when faced with danger will run to save themselves and others will make the heroic stand. I also believe the loss of one is felt by all. Being older, I've endured the loss of friends and have felt the concept unfold. I'm certain a lot of people feel this way albeit to varying degrees.
Herein lies the conflict that has caused so many to hate, and I don't use the term hate lightly, the ending of this game. Some people, especially the empathetic, will feel some degree of emotional and physical stress, and torment. The game should have had a means to satisfy everyone who has invested their time and emotions to fulfil themselves and their belief systems. Well, at least the greatest game ever would go that extra step, I think. Remember, the game has spanned years and a lot of people are deeply invested. And at the risk of sounding tripe, wasn't shaping the future promised or at the very least, alluded to?
Let's consider this. If figures like George Washington and the rest of the crew had never existed, had not fought for what they believed in, would things be different today? Would someone else have come along to fill that boat after Valley Forge? Did George leading his troops die in battle or become indoctrinated by the British rhetoric? I don't think so. There are so many examples in human history and as well as it is today, our newest heroes and those yet to rise. I think this is what a lot of people wanted and wasn't shaping the future promised or at the very least, alluded to?
Yes, some people will be satisfied with the action, the game play, conversations, love interests. So much so the ending won't matter quite so much. Are they in the majority? From the reactions, I don't think so. Is it OK to feel that way? Sure.
Some will say the author has literary license. But doesn't the author have a duty or perhaps even more profoundly, have a responsibility to the audience. An audience who was lead down a path to believe. And let me ask, who is paying the author? The right of authorship holds no validity since the entire work was not laid out and open to objective review. ME3 simply built it's reputation from the previous parts. Reviewing everything that has been said and the previous editions, there appears to be something missing. And, wasn't shaping the future promised or at least, alluded to?
It seemed to me that this game, well let's go ahead and say Bioware, opened a door to the future of gaming. Grandiose scenes, great graphics, emotional ups and downs, are abundant on a huge scale. It is a beautiful production. It was visually and emotionally engrossing. It was good in 1 and better is 2. The promises for 3 seemed real and beckoned belief. They even tossed in some moral issues to boot, grand. I'm an open minded person so that won't bother me. What could go wrong? Then, the door slammed shut.
I have read every article, viewed every video, and made many comments. I will likely continue to do so in the hope that if reason does not prevail, pressure will. Perhaps this is some grand plot hatched for media attention. If so, I think it's backfiring. Not only for Bioware but for the industry as a whole. In my opinion, players will be wary of claims, will demand more and wait longer. Game reviewers should take note. For you see, the true reviews come from the players. From now on, any future games that take a misstep with be compared to this one. I'm sure that's going to stick regardless of how it gets resolved. If it had taken a few extra dollars to begin with, I think the community would have paid it. A lot of satisfied customers would have given it a boost in sales. You could have had, in my opinion, the greatest game of all time. Sorry, now my anger is starting to show and for that I apologize.
But for now, all I'm left with is my own emotional roller coaster of hope and despair. At first I felt a range of emotions, feeling a bit alone and seeking answers to what now? And yes, I was angry. I want to thank every like minded person here on these forums for helping me through this period. You assured me I wasn't alone in my thoughts and feelings and that means a lot. However, there are still questions unanswered. One of which is, wasn't shaping the future promised or at least, alluded to? Maybe we all just had a perception or expectations problem but would that matter? It's real to me and many others so that make it our truth no matter what anyone else believes.
I think the ending should have reflected what I felt was a promise. You should note that I did not say alluded to here since that was my expectation.
And for those who thought the game was fine or liked it for that matter, I'm happy for you. I loved a lot of it too, frankly almost all of it. But the question remains, am I or a seriously large number of players happy? I don't think so.
I should have stuck with my one or two line responses but I felt I needed to get this off my chest and move on a bit. I say that, and it’s already been said numerous times, because right now I feel the only ones that are listening are us folks right here.
There has already been enough words written and published on this very subject that the Constitution of the United States could have been re-written thousands of times. But then the question arises, should we stop? My answer is no. Let’s all agree to re-write it at least a few thousands more times or until we get a satisfactory answer and some action. We are “entitled gamers” right? If for nothing more, then for at least our own entitled rhetoric. Perhaps in the end we will feel better. I can say this for sure, we have all had a part in making some history here. It will be discussed for many years to come.
Thanks again, for listening...
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The fan uproar over the ending only demonstrates how meaningful the experience was. Don't sweat "fixing" the ending. It had meaning to everyone. Hence the "rage" phase...
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