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[xhostileman]

 I think a suitable dlc download ending would be . Shepard saves them all, by destroying the reapers.
Cue ending. Happy, reunites with his friends and fellow soldiers.

Soon he will be honored and the people of the galaxy would want him to represent earth as a Ambassador but knowing shepard he will turn it down to stay as a soldier.

Cue Mass effect 4 

Shepard is now older as is his former squadmates and allies. He is now a Admiral or General and is no longer needed up on his former fighting duties as he is getting older.

New war begins because of him not heading the warning of the more advanced taking out the simplier races. So some race or new race decides it wants to be the king race and tries to fight everybody.

Anyways point is. If there is gonna be a new mass effect the characters who survived should have cameos. Example again

Sheppard as a general giving the orders to the other commanders. 

Garrus his second in command or a general of the Turian.

Etc etc with other characters.

Hell you can even throw in a kid. Sheppard + whoever from previous games has a kid. Hes now in the army or growing up to be in it for mass effect 5... i know i know....

Anyways keep the Shepard verse alive somehow?

[Arcaminus]

Thank you for starting this thread as it shows a respect to your fans which I know I and many others appreciate. To be clear for me the game was epic and an incredible experience right up until Shep has to chose between the Red, Blue, or Green endings. So many amazing little touches made the game great such as the memoiral in the Normandy crew deck, drinking brandy with Dr. Chackwas, and walking in on Tali and Garus. Also I'm a fan of the novels so it was great to have Kai Lang and Kahlee Sanders show up. Then there was the heavy stuff like the death of Mordin, Thane, and Legion. These were characters that I cared about and their deaths had tremendous meaning. It's where the story had to go and while I may not like it, Shepards death was also probably neccessary.
Really I think the big issue is that the final cinematic feels a little flat in comparison to the rest of the trillogy. It just doesn't deliver the emotional impact that it should and comes off as thrown together at the last minute. I'm sure that it wasn't and that a lot of care went into it but as a hardcore fan of the series, and a writer and game developer myself, I can't help but feel that the games closing moments were unworthy of the masterpiece that it concludes.
The destruction of the mass relays is part of the problem because if you played the entire series as I did trying to get the galaxy to work together, the destruction of the relays pretty much undoes that accomplishment. Finally all these races are working together toward a common goal and then all of a sudden they never get to see one another again. That really felt like having the rug pulled out from under me.
Then there were the three choices to make. This felt like it came out of nowhere and frankly I feel as though their should be a forth choice for those that achieve 100% galactic rediness (and for all I know, there is). This could be the "Hollywood" ending that some would dread but many would love. As the catalist lays out the three options, EDI and the crew show up and offer a fourth option where the Catalist orders the Reapers to stand down, get out of the way of messing with the natural evelotion of organics and synthetics, and returns to the galactic rim from where they came. Shepard survives and they all live happily ever after... or something like that.
But above all I think what the story needs is something that wraps up what happened to everyone else, characters and races alike. This could perhaps be accomplished by extending the scene after the credits where the grandfather tells what happend to each remaining character and the other races.
Thank you again for listening

[krogstor]

Juromaro wrote...

I'm just going to say that if Bioware caves to a few thousand people complaining that they didn't get the happy ending they wanted then Bioware might as well never release another game ever.

If people see that if they complain enough and cry and armchair develop and the company gives in and changes the game then that means ToR will be ruined by crybabies, Dragon age will be ruined by people who want to be stuck in the past of gaming and Mass Effect will never be able to expand beyond Shepard's story.

Just go ahead Bioware....give in and change the ending....and you'll never see another "labor of love" that you spent years building ever see the light of day again.

Boo, final fantasy died because of people like you.

[AlphaScrewySam]

Juromaro wrote...

I'm just going to say that if Bioware caves to a few thousand people complaining that they didn't get the happy ending they wanted then Bioware might as well never release another game ever.

If people see that if they complain enough and cry and armchair develop and the company gives in and changes the game then that means ToR will be ruined by crybabies, Dragon age will be ruined by people who want to be stuck in the past of gaming and Mass Effect will never be able to expand beyond Shepard's story.

Just go ahead Bioware....give in and change the ending....and you'll never see another "labor of love" that you spent years building ever see the light of day again.

The 'labor of love' as you call it, was thrown out the window by the new head writer. The original ending by Drew Karpyshyn was fantastic, but this new guy was like 'nope, Imma steal the ending from the original Deus Ex instead'.

[mycamo]

First of all sorry for my English.

I have finished ME3 few moments ago and I'm disappointed. ME3 is a beautiful game, a milestone for the sci-fi\\rpg game, but the endings are awful. Every one of the three are awful: first of all are similar. I was prepared also to see Shepard's dead (but in a real Paragon final the Hero must return home with his friends and loves ... Omero's Odissea is my ideal final: a strong fight then the Ulisse can live in peace) but these finals aren't in "ME Style". All the things good or bad that you have done in Me, ME2 and ME3 untill London don't make any difference on the final. There are a plenty of non sense, impossible situations (Normandy and his crew for examples), many unanswered questions ; a final must reflect what do you do in all 3 episodes. This isn't a film is a deep videogame and, in my opinion, the finals must be much more of 3, one total brighter (if you think no one of the 3 is really good or bad) and one total darker, whit some middle final darker\\brighter. And, very importart thing, every final must be conclusive of the story, linked with all the episodes and answering all player question.

I repeat, Bioware made a greatest game, I think (for emotion\\joy of playing) the best of last ten years but has broken the final. Few gamers appreciates ME3 finals, this forum is the evidence,
Unfortunately the best sci-fi saga by the times of Star Wars ends in the worst way and this doesn't make justice to the story, to who works on ME episodes and to who play and love ME games.

I apologize again for my english.

[taloris]

AlphaScrewySam wrote...

Flyers215 wrote...

AlphaScrewySam wrote...

My least favourite was the ending. The problem with the ending is that it's not a bittersweet victory: There is no victory. Galactic civilisation is destroyed, and the entire Normandy crew is marooned on a mystery planet.

The entire game was building up to a massive climax of glorious victory over the Reapers, so when the game takes a 180 at the end, there is, at least in my case, just a feeling of dull emptiness, quickly followed by outrage.

This is where I fundamentally disagree.  I never got the impression that the game was building up to a "glorious victory over the Reapers."  I was fighting to stop the Reapers and save as many people as I could in the process.

In the ending, mission accomplished.  The Reapers are gone and the galaxy is saved by Shepard's hand.  Galactic civilisation is not destroyed.  There are an unfathomable amount of people that would never know what happened, why all the Reapers dropped dead at the flip of a switch, or why the mass relays were now destroyed, but they had been saved.  Shepard would remain the unknown, underappreciated hero that she was born to be.  The civilisation now remains within the Sol system and there is still technology abound from the Protheans as well as the Reapers to help re-establish a functioning, more equal society.  Species from across the galaxy showed up to fight for Earth and now that's where they'll all stay.  I thought the ending was beautiful.

As for the Normandy, I'm sure they'd eventually be found, especially with Traynor, a communications specialist, among the living.  However, I find it preposterous that Joker lived that crash.  The man's made of glass.  That impact would have destroyed his body.

Every system is cut off from each other. According to the Arrival, it would take at least months for any sort of travel between star clusters, and that was with Reaper tech. In that time, dozens of worlds dependent upon supply chains would die out. Yeah, funny that: People need food to survive. Similarly, the Normandy is trapped on an unknown planet. That months of flight time I mentioned? I doubt the Normandy has months of food supplies stored.

There are millions of tons worth of ships in orbit above earth. If you chose destroy synthetics, you know, like the Shepard who doesn't randomly cave to a hologram would do, since the whole point was to kill the Reapers, then every one of those ships is going to drop out of orbit like asteroids, leveling the planet. Not to mention the Citadel, however many millions of tons that weighed.

As for the building up, through out ME3, every main character had either finally resolved their biggest issues or was hoping to after things were done. Wrex made a brighter future for his people. Mordin redeemed himself for the Genophage modification. Your LI presumably wants to be with you (If you romanced Liara, she's promised little blue babies). if you didn't romance Garrus or Tali, they get together. Jacob was having a baby with that Brynn chick. Miranda only just got free of her father's shadow. Legion gave his people true sentience, and they have made peace with the quarians (Disproving the AI thingy's theory of inevitable mutual destruction, by the way). Jack found her place with her students. Joker and EDI entered a relationship (Again, disproving AI dude). And a dozen more potentially happy endings made moot by the last 10 minutes.

Actually there would be no life left at all in a mass relay's system, just ask the Batarians. If a relay goes boom and they take everything with it...

But hey, at least we get to choose what colour we get to blow the galaxy up in... isn't that the most important thing of all?

[TrueMadayar]

mycamo wrote...

First of all sorry for my English.

I have finished ME3 few moments ago and I'm disappointed. ME3 is a beautiful game, a milestone for the sci-firpg game, but the endings are awful. Every one of the three are awful: first of all are similar. I was prepared also to see Shepard's dead (but in a real Paragon final the Hero must return home with his friends and loves ... Omero's Odissea is my ideal final: a strong fight then the Ulisse can live in peace) but these finals aren't in "ME Style". All the things good or bad that you have done in Me, ME2 and ME3 untill London don't make any difference on the final. There are a plenty of non sense, impossible situations (Normandy and his crew for examples), many unanswered questions ; a final must reflect what do you do in all 3 episodes. This isn't a film is a deep videogame and, in my opinion, the finals must be much more of 3, one total brighter (if you think no one of the 3 is really good or bad) and one total darker, whit some middle final darkerbrighter. And, very importart thing, every final must be conclusive of the story, linked with all the episodes and answering all player question.

I repeat, Bioware made a greatest game, I think (for emotionjoy of playing) the best of last ten years but has broken the final. Few gamers appreciates ME3 finals, this forum is the evidence,
Unfortunately the best sci-fi saga by the times of Star Wars ends in the worst way and this doesn't make justice to the story, to who works on ME episodes and to who play and love ME games.

I apologize again for my english.

Your English is much easier forgiven, I believe. I have the same feeling - as to be seen in my first post - that this was an epic and fell short in the end. Mona Lisa turned smiley face.

[Kathleen321]

Juromaro wrote...

I'm just going to say that if Bioware caves to a few thousand people complaining that they didn't get the happy ending they wanted then Bioware might as well never release another game ever.

If people see that if they complain enough and cry and armchair develop and the company gives in and changes the game then that means ToR will be ruined by crybabies, Dragon age will be ruined by people who want to be stuck in the past of gaming and Mass Effect will never be able to expand beyond Shepard's story.

Just go ahead Bioware....give in and change the ending....and you'll never see another "labor of love" that you spent years building ever see the light of day again.

indoctrinated

[jeweledleah]

Subject Alpha wrote...

.... the strangest thing just happened to me. I finished my renegade playthrough to find at the very end, he was locked to only one choice at the crucible: controlling the reapers. Also, the Normandy crashed, but the door opened and it cut out. This happened to anyone else?

you saved the collector base in ME2 and gathered very few assets didn't you?

[Dymhsa]

Edit - my dumba** is showing, posted this rant in wrong place.

Modifié par Dymhsa, 18 mars 2012 - 12:47 .

[krogstor]

Juromaro wrote...

krogstor wrote...

Juromaro wrote...

I'm just going to say that if Bioware caves to a few thousand people complaining that they didn't get the happy ending they wanted then Bioware might as well never release another game ever.

If people see that if they complain enough and cry and armchair develop and the company gives in and changes the game then that means ToR will be ruined by crybabies, Dragon age will be ruined by people who want to be stuck in the past of gaming and Mass Effect will never be able to expand beyond Shepard's story.

Just go ahead Bioware....give in and change the ending....and you'll never see another "labor of love" that you spent years building ever see the light of day again.

Boo, final fantasy died because of people like you.

Final Fantasy died because they tried to change the way the games were made to please the "masses"

Just like Mass Effect.

[AlphaScrewySam]

Juromaro wrote...

AlphaScrewySam wrote...

Juromaro wrote...

I'm just going to say that if Bioware caves to a few thousand people complaining that they didn't get the happy ending they wanted then Bioware might as well never release another game ever.

If people see that if they complain enough and cry and armchair develop and the company gives in and changes the game then that means ToR will be ruined by crybabies, Dragon age will be ruined by people who want to be stuck in the past of gaming and Mass Effect will never be able to expand beyond Shepard's story.

Just go ahead Bioware....give in and change the ending....and you'll never see another "labor of love" that you spent years building ever see the light of day again.

The 'labor of love' as you call it, was thrown out the window by the new head writer. The original ending by Drew Karpyshyn was fantastic, but this new guy was like 'nope, Imma steal the ending from the original Deus Ex instead'.

Yeah, and the Japanese version of FF7 was better because I could bring Aries back to life, where as the english version was alot more powerful because in a world where you can raise the dead with a feather she was still dead.

But yeah I do agree Drew's ending was better, however Drew is no longer writing for the game so his endings don't matter

Never played Final Fantasy, so that comparision does nothing for me.

[The Lightspeaker]

Kathleen321 wrote...

Juromaro wrote...

I'm just going to say that if Bioware caves to a few thousand people complaining that they didn't get the happy ending they wanted then Bioware might as well never release another game ever.

If people see that if they complain enough and cry and armchair develop and the company gives in and changes the game then that means ToR will be ruined by crybabies, Dragon age will be ruined by people who want to be stuck in the past of gaming and Mass Effect will never be able to expand beyond Shepard's story.

Just go ahead Bioware....give in and change the ending....and you'll never see another "labor of love" that you spent years building ever see the light of day again.

indoctrinated

Ye gods they're taking over!

Side note: its got nothing to do with a "happy" ending, though I legitimately think there should have been all options (disaster, bittersweet, happy, etc) because ME has been all about choice. The actual main complaint is that the ending contradicts the lore, is full of massive plot holes and is just generally really poorly written and designed.

[MagicalFish]

I'm glad to see their listening, i'll be more glad to hear that their doing something about it.(as is mend the current ending/ release the "truth" DLC)

[AlphaScrewySam]

The Lightspeaker wrote...

Kathleen321 wrote...

Juromaro wrote...

I'm just going to say that if Bioware caves to a few thousand people complaining that they didn't get the happy ending they wanted then Bioware might as well never release another game ever.

If people see that if they complain enough and cry and armchair develop and the company gives in and changes the game then that means ToR will be ruined by crybabies, Dragon age will be ruined by people who want to be stuck in the past of gaming and Mass Effect will never be able to expand beyond Shepard's story.

Just go ahead Bioware....give in and change the ending....and you'll never see another "labor of love" that you spent years building ever see the light of day again.

indoctrinated

Ye gods they're taking over!

Side note: its got nothing to do with a "happy" ending, though I legitimately think there should have been all options (disaster, bittersweet, happy, etc) because ME has been all about choice. The actual main complaint is that the ending contradicts the lore, is full of massive plot holes and is just generally really poorly written and designed.

This

[jeweledleah]

Juromaro wrote...

I'm just going to say that if Bioware caves to a few thousand people complaining that they didn't get the happy ending they wanted then Bioware might as well never release another game ever.

If people see that if they complain enough and cry and armchair develop and the company gives in and changes the game then that means ToR will be ruined by crybabies, Dragon age will be ruined by people who want to be stuck in the past of gaming and Mass Effect will never be able to expand beyond Shepard's story.

Just go ahead Bioware....give in and change the ending....and you'll never see another "labor of love" that you spent years building ever see the light of day again.

you'd have a point... if Mass Effect WASN"T the sort of franchise that lets players shape their stories.. untill ME3's ending that is.  if bioware wasn't the company that always listened heavily to its fans and incorporated feedbakc.  SWTOR patch 1.2 - would you call it a bad patch?  becasue like 80% of it is incorporated fan feedback that WILL make the game better for its fans.

bioware doesn't make games in a vaccuum bioware makes games for people, its fans - to enjoy.  they say in interviews that ME3 was co-created with the fans and you can see the truth of its statement in so many different details - jokes about calibrations Mako vs Hammerhead conversation, multiple gameplay mechanics, romances....10th of thousands of people not enjoying an aspect of their writing is significant to say the least.  latest poll I saw had 50,000 people asking for changed, better endings.

and your premise is flawed.  bioware's labor of love is not just for themselves.  its their love letter to fans.  and the fans?  have spoken

(not to mention outright lies in advertisement.  we want them to fulfill the promices they made)

[Flyers215]

Juromaro wrote...

I'm just going to say that if Bioware caves to a few thousand people complaining that they didn't get the happy ending they wanted then Bioware might as well never release another game ever.

If people see that if they complain enough and cry and armchair develop and the company gives in and changes the game then that means ToR will be ruined by crybabies, Dragon age will be ruined by people who want to be stuck in the past of gaming and Mass Effect will never be able to expand beyond Shepard's story.

Just go ahead Bioware....give in and change the ending....and you'll never see another "labor of love" that you spent years building ever see the light of day again.

I agree with this.  It's hard to respect a company that caves into a few and then changes everything just because some people asked them to do so.  I'd have a hard time purchasing another BioWare game knowing that they could change it all after a few complaints.

You can't please everyone.  It's a shame that some people are so upset, but the story is what it is.  The war is over and the Reapers are no more.  

[AlphaScrewySam]

Flyers215 wrote...

Juromaro wrote...

I'm just going to say that if Bioware caves to a few thousand people complaining that they didn't get the happy ending they wanted then Bioware might as well never release another game ever.

If people see that if they complain enough and cry and armchair develop and the company gives in and changes the game then that means ToR will be ruined by crybabies, Dragon age will be ruined by people who want to be stuck in the past of gaming and Mass Effect will never be able to expand beyond Shepard's story.

Just go ahead Bioware....give in and change the ending....and you'll never see another "labor of love" that you spent years building ever see the light of day again.

I agree with this.  It's hard to respect a company that caves into a few and then changes everything just because some people asked them to do so.  I'd have a hard time purchasing another BioWare game knowing that they could change it all after a few complaints.

You can't please everyone.  It's a shame that some people are so upset, but the story is what it is.  The war is over and the Reapers are no more.  

All I'm going to say to that is Fallout 3

[mjohanson]

I liked the endings.   They make you think.  That's just my opinion.

Thanks for a great game Bioware.

[BWGungan]

Flyers215 wrote...

BWGungan wrote...

Flyers215 wrote...

What makes you say that the Geth, Quarians, Turians, Salarians, and Asari are dead?  Other than casualties to the war, everyone remains virtually unharmed by the way in which the Reapers were disposed.  Of course the galaxy is in a horrible state; the Reapers just went to town on us.  Shepard's actions rid the galaxy of the Reapers and essentially protected trillions of lives.  I'm sure many colonies will crumble and fail, but there's not much that can be done about that.

There are quite a few things that Shepard did in the game to make a difference.  Now that the Reapers are gone, the Quarians on Rannoch can now live upon its surface once more.  The other species that accompanied Shepard to Earth are alive and just outside of Earth's orbit.  Assuming everyone still gets along, they're more than welcome to join us on Earth where all the species can hypothetically live together in harmony.

Because it takes hundreds to thousands of years to travel between clusters using FTL.  Only the Asari could potentially live that long to get home, but would likely starve before they did.  Everyone in the fleet around Earth would starve to death, especially the Quarians and Turians who cannot eat anything from earth.

Thessia was destroyed, Earth and Palaven are pretty much in the same state.  Tuchanka was screwed before we even started.  The Quarians and the Geth on Rannoch might be alright assuming enough of them stayed back there for a large enough gene pool to produce offspring with more than the proper amount of fingers and toes.

Etc, etc, etc...

Furthermore, how the hell did Anderson avoid getting vaped, and how did the squadmates I had with me manage to get onto the Normandy, and through the mass relay before it exploded?

Then don't leave.  Leaving isn't a plausible option given the situation.  Without the mass relays, you're not going home and that's just something you'll have to accept, person not from Earth.  I actually don't know what Turians or Quarians eat, but I'm sure that we could synthesise something for them.  There are Quarians and Turians on Mars, so just replicate whatever it is that they're eating.

I don't believe Thessia was completely destroyed.  I believe it was just ravaged along with Earth & Palaven.  The planets are still habitable.  I'm sure the Quarians and Geth on Rannoch are the best off in this whole situation.  They're completely starting fresh on a planet that didn't get hit that hard by the war.  The Geth can help the Quarians rebuild, which is also what they were doing before the events of the showdown on Earth (at least for me).

What do you mean about Anderson?  He died on the Crucible before Shepard talked to The Child for me.  Shepard and he had a very, very touching heart to heart before he died at Shepard's side.  The Normandy crew situation is a harder one to explain.  Joker must have got cold feet and did a bunk after dropping you off on Earth.  The Normandy was in the middle of the firefight in Earth's orbit while Shepard had her boots down on the surface, so he could have left for some reason and then got caught in the explosion.  I still don't know how Joker himself survived the crash.  That's one of the bigger oversights I think I've ever seen.

Without intergalactic trade, there is no way to feed all the people stranded on earth, synthesized jelly foods or not.  Earth got most of its food from Eden Prime... an agricultural colony.  There are not enough resources in our solar system to sustain all those people.

For Anderson, I'm talking about the fact that he was able to get onto the Citadel completely unharmed.

[jeweledleah]

Flyers215 wrote...

Juromaro wrote...

I'm just going to say that if Bioware caves to a few thousand people complaining that they didn't get the happy ending they wanted then Bioware might as well never release another game ever.

If people see that if they complain enough and cry and armchair develop and the company gives in and changes the game then that means ToR will be ruined by crybabies, Dragon age will be ruined by people who want to be stuck in the past of gaming and Mass Effect will never be able to expand beyond Shepard's story.

Just go ahead Bioware....give in and change the ending....and you'll never see another "labor of love" that you spent years building ever see the light of day again.

I agree with this.  It's hard to respect a company that caves into a few and then changes everything just because some people asked them to do so.  I'd have a hard time purchasing another BioWare game knowing that they could change it all after a few complaints.

You can't please everyone.  It's a shame that some people are so upset, but the story is what it is.  The war is over and the Reapers are no more.  

its not a few.  its many and its becoming more and more every day.

and why draw the line now?  you liked Samantha, yes?  do you realize that she woudln't have existed if not for the Fight for the love pushing and pushing and pushing untill bioware... "caved" ?

[ZyionPrime]

Juromaro wrote...

I'm just going to say that if Bioware caves to a few thousand people complaining that they didn't get the happy ending they wanted then Bioware might as well never release another game ever.

If people see that if they complain enough and cry and armchair develop and the company gives in and changes the game then that means ToR will be ruined by crybabies, Dragon age will be ruined by people who want to be stuck in the past of gaming and Mass Effect will never be able to expand beyond Shepard's story.

Just go ahead Bioware....give in and change the ending....and you'll never see another "labor of love" that you spent years building ever see the light of day again.

Are you trying to troll?

The biggest problem most people on this forum have with the ending is that it doesn't show how your previous decisions effect the galaxy. Its lack of closure from the decisions you made and what happens to your campanions afterwards is what people want fixed.

Now granted, there are people that want a "Star Wars" like ending where the main characters survive and there is celebration in the streets. And I can get where they are coming from. They feel as if no matter how hard they try they can't save Shepard. Which turns them away from playing the game again because they will get the same outcome. If they added on the "Star Wars" ending, I wouldn't mind it being one of the final options as long as they made it an additional choice added onto the orriginal choices (but also tweek the original choices a bit to fill in plot holes).

And Bioware has listened to its fanbase in the past. The romances with Tali and Garrus in the second game might not have ever happened if people didn't ask for it on the forums. And I personally think (as do others) that the Tali and Garrus romances are of the best in the game. So it won't hurt Bioware to listen to its fanbase, they just need to make sure that they don't completely give in and let the fans write the ending for them.