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[TrueMadayar]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...a lot that is true

What I really love about this ending is the sometimes just brilliant commenting on it, pointing out those many obvious faults in a precisiont hat I seem to lack even though I did my best in my posts.

Fully supporting this. Also: You promised, literally, to make our choices part of "the outcome". This is the outcome. I had no choice.

[AlphaScrewySam]

Lordambitious wrote...

Just Gonna put this here, it was buried about 100 pages ago I think, but some posters (Whom I believe are possible EA plants, or are indoctrinated into thinking compliance is preferable) are asserting that we were never promised diverse endings based on our decisions.

 

Perhaps Casey somehow missed the ending in the dev cycle, and hasn't finished the game himself yet. Only reason I can think for these blatantly inaccurate statements.

[Flyers215]

npoqrhgcnpouheprouhncpo wrote...

Flyers215 wrote...

I've done two and so far so good.  I changed to the default one for my first go on ME3 because I prefer the new default Shepard.  She's also how I picture Shepard now.  I'm sorry to hear that yours weren't accepted.  I've also heard that it's an Xbox-specific problem.  Is that true?

well since I am playing it on the xbox I'd say it might be an xbox versio issue....I guess one more thing they need to fix

It seems silly but I worked hard to build the perfect bad ass face and I kept all the scars from being a Renegade on ME2 you just CANNOT recreate that in ME3

It certainly doesn't seem silly.  It stinks that your Shepard got screwed like that.  I noticed that my second Shepard didn't look the same either, so I gave her a new face and used one of the new hairstyles that I like.

As for the Renegade evilness, my brother told me that he still got all his massive Renegade markings.  Did you not get anything at all?

[Beldamon]

Hey there,

I  was sitting with some friends having a little St. Patrick's Day get-together, and I spent some time trying to explain my feelings about this 'ending' situation.  None of them were gamers so I really had to take some time to set the context, but then I was on a roll.  

After I'd been on for a while, I noticed everyone was pretty quiet, and they were all looking at me funny.  I said 'what', and they said 'this really isn't like you'.  'You're usually the peacemaker, the one trying to calm people down, make them see the bright side, or failing that, distract them.'

They actually looked a bit scared, like they'd found out Mr. Rogers was really a convicted serial killer.  That kind of made me sit back and think, and all of a sudden the good stuff started flowing in, and I was able to talk about the stuff I really enjoyed about it, and my whole mood changed.

Since I do try to be fair, and have already posted a lengthy explaination of why I didn't like the ending (two if you count my 'review', more, if you count various interjections into various conversations.)

Though I haven't changed my overall stance, I can now share things that I really enjoyed about ME3.

No particular order -- just stuff that is coming to me as I have this window up.  There is lots more where this came from, though.

- Jack -- just about everything about her.  She was not a character I'd really warmed to in ME2, but I really loved her here.  The way she's transformed from a hard-assed b***h to a hard-ass b***h with a heart of gold.  Her protectiveness towards her students, her chemistry with them.  Her attempts to curb her swearing  ('F-flight lieutenant', and Joker's laughing response.)  -- And the 'Oh come *on* Shepard, *everyone* knows you can't dance!'  Priceless.

- Thane's death-bed scene.  Thane was another character I'd not really gotten involved with before, in ME2.  I remember he was useful to me against certain types of enemies, and I liked him well enough, but I never felt that close to him.  In ME3, the prayer he had Shepard read with him was touching, but when his son said it wasn't for Thane, it was for Shepard, I choked up so bad I had to stop for a while.  It was appropriate that someone so capable died saving the life of the Salarian councellor, rather than to a wasting disease, and I was proud of him.

- Sometimes it's the little things.  The banter back and forth between crew in the ship and squadmates in the field.  In particular, I liked the back and forth between Cortez and James, and then James and Garrus trying to one- up each other in the mess hall.  Again James cleaning Kaiden out at the poker table in the ship, then getting cleaned out himself against the refugees in the camp.  Shepard: 'Remember, that shirt is Alliance property.'

- More little things -- people could be found in different areas of the ship at different times, and the people from the Normandy could be found on the Citadel while Shepard was turning in his fetch quests.  The 'Blasto VI' movie ads.  Encouragine EDI to determne for herself what she wanted her personality to be.  Encouraging Joker and EDI to develop a relationship.  Joker's first response when EDI showed up as his co-pilot in EVA's body.  'Commander, look at my co-pilot!'  Some characters looked a little 'pop-eyed' to look normal, but in that scnene, it was comical on Joker.

- The mother of all Thresher Maws taking out the Reaper on Tchunka.  Definitely in the running for most epic scene in the game.

- Modin's sacrifice.  It was not only touching to see him get his redemption for his work on the Genophage, but he faced it with the attitude that was probably unique to Mordin.  'Somebody else might have gotten it wrong.'

- One that tore me up was Rannoch.  I didn't spoil myself, so didn't realize I should have saved the Reaper base mission for last.  I hadn't done the Geth Fighters mission, so I ended up having to chose between the Geth and Quarians.  I chose for the Geth, becuase the Quarians had been the agressors, and I'd given them every opportunity to stand down.  Seeing Tali throw herself off the cliff in dispair was heart-wrenching.  But I understood completely.  And I felt I'd done the best I could do in a no-win situation.

- Villains.  I *hated* Kai Leng and the Illusive Man, which is one sign that a Villain has been well crafted.  It took me about 30 seconds to realize that the fight against Kai Leng on Thessia was intended to be a loss for Shepard.  I still fought the good fight, but it was interesting to see Shepard in a situation like that, where he'd failed his mission.  I hated Kai Leng even more for that, because he'd tarnished Shepards record.  That made killing him all the more satisfying on the Illusive Man's base.  I played Paragon, but took the renegade promt there -- "That's for Thane!"

- Killing the Illusive Man -- another point I took the renegade promt.  I'd wanted to kill that SOB right from the beginning of ME2, so that was a long time coming. 

So yeah, not a bad list for off the top of my head, not consulting notes.  To quote Anderson, "I'm proud of you".  You guys deserve to feel proud, in spite of the thing I've promised myself I won't talk about in this post. 

TL;DR -- love the Mass Effect team.  Much appreciation to you all for the great Mass Effect experiences.  <blows kisses>

Modifié par Beldamon, 18 mars 2012 - 03:23 .

[ExcitedApathy]

For me, the ending was a cross between Knowing (movie with Nic Cage for those that haven't seen it) and Battlestar Galactica (recent TV show, not the old show). Amazing story, but with an ending that left a lot more questions than answers. Even two of the final scenes were taken from those two.

After such an emotional ride during the game(s), the end felt flat. I'm not afraid to admit that there were a few scenes where I got a bit teary-eyed. I found the individual interaction with each squadmate in London was well done and a great way to say goodbye. I think for the most part, many of us expected a Shepard sacrifice (at least within my circle of friends who have played these games, anyway), but the amount of uncertainty is astounding. The amount of remaining questions is astounding.

What about the relays?
If the relays are destroyed, are all the non-humans doomed to live in the Sol system?
Where did the Normandy land?
Is anyone else on the Normandy?
Is Shepard's love interest still alive?
Is it all a dream in some way, shape, or form?

The Mass Effect series is amazing. It draws you in, makes you care about these characters, and that's why there is so much anger at the ending of ME3, which to me means Bioware did their job extremely well. 35+ hours of greatness, vaporized in 20 minutes of a "WTF does all that mean?!" ending.

I'm not mad about the ending(s), I've only done 1 so far. I'm disappointed. And that is far worse.

[Janoski]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.
 
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

Shut up.

[Japkap79]

No need to be so worried about the ending people, DLC incoming get your other shepards ready for the DLC and enjoy the start of ME3 middle and ignore the end for now.

My favorit parts where all the different choices i have made through out all 3 games, the mails you get from colonists i have saved and the rachni queen i let live, all of it has something im quite happy with both in terms of them writing to me ingame and the Readiness thing that shows the update you have due to actually having helped them earlier.

I get the whole ending seems like a big PR stunt and if not we still saved the galaxy, and the story leading up to the end was good in my book, might also be why im on my third playthough and i have finally started up on the Multiplayer the drop with connection is a bit annoying there but overall it seems decent so far have not tried it on silver or gold.

Thought of my actual favorit thing that is the Geth and Quarians in a form of symbioses with there suits and Geth helping them build there immunesystem, so they can leave there suits and the geth helping with building houses for the Quarians.

Modifié par Japkap79, 18 mars 2012 - 03:30 .

[Janoski]

Ignore the ending everybody! And if your face can't be imported just ignore that too! BUY THE ****TY DLC that will explain the origin of child god. I CAN'T WAIT!!!

[Janoski]

Child god is also the same child that was killed in the beginning of the game. HOW UNIQUE

[jeweledleah]

the import issue is not just xbox. its also PC and it only affects the faces that were originally created in ME1, so they don't come with facecodes.

I did tweak my shepards extensively in ME2, especially my favorite, so I was able to import and then edit as needed, but they changes something about facial structure, definitely tweaked eye shapes and mouth shapes, so my shepards mostly look off anyways. still - main didn't transfer too badly, just got prettier then what I originally envisioned for her.

they are working on the issue and its one of those things that they promised to patch, without any PR speak.

[Lordambitious]

AlphaScrewySam wrote...

Lordambitious wrote...

Just Gonna put this here, it was buried about 100 pages ago I think, but some posters (Whom I believe are possible EA plants, or are indoctrinated into thinking compliance is preferable) are asserting that we were never promised diverse endings based on our decisions.

 

Perhaps Casey somehow missed the ending in the dev cycle, and hasn't finished the game himself yet. Only reason I can think for these blatantly inaccurate statements.

Or... SPACE AMNESIA DUE TO SPACE MAGIC!!

[BWGungan]

npoqrhgcnpouheprouhncpo wrote...

avatar2396 wrote...

npoqrhgcnpouheprouhncpo wrote...

Interestingly, I also had 15 Shepards going into ME3 and I intend to play every one of them.  ME3 is more about the journey than the ending for me.  I like playing as the different classes on the different difficulty settings as well.

were you able to import any of the faces of custom made Shepards into ME3?
Cause mine didn't not accept any of them!!

I personally used the premade version but i hear you arent the only one in fact im not sure if it imports any custom faces

I don't think it does and that was my first warning sign that this game was broken...I actually disliked it even before the ending....since my Renegade which let the Council die to replace it with Humans in ME1 was facing the same Turian, Asari, Salarian trio that was supposed to be dead

Wow.. that is a hell of a problem.

[IGC_Revelation]

Okay, in no specific order, here we go. Hopefully I don't list the entire game.

1). Mordin's final moments. I couldn't help but weep when it happened but at the same time sing along with him at the end. Someone else might have gotten it wrong.

2). Legion's final moments and his resolution with Tali. "I know Tali, but thank you. Keelah se' lai." Also before the battle with the Reaper: Legion- "Shepard! Good luck."; Shepard- "Acknowledged."

3). Thane going out fighting and as a hero, just like Mordin and Legion. I was so convinced he was gonna beat Kai Leng down...

4). Grunt stepping out of the Rachni cave. I saw so worried!

5). The entrance of the fleets at the end of the game and the Reaper-takedown by the thresher maw. Both epic sequences.

6). Liara's scene with Shepard, writing his name in the stars.

7). Shooting competition between Shepard and Garrus (I intentionally missed, by the way.)

8). All of the sweet moments with Ashley and having her back on the crew. It was nice to have her and Garrus as my squad like in the original game.

9). Final moments with Anderson. Yet another of the many moments when I shed multiple tears.

10). Kai Leng's death. Even as a paragon I instantly was on the renegade action. That was for Thane!

Also probably somewhat overlooked: The reunion with David Archer at Grissom Academy and the sacrifice of Lt. Victus. "Victory at any price."

Personally, I know the ending could have been handled better, but I was fine with it. The Mass Effect trilogy is easily my favorite video game series ever, and I believe it's going to be impossible to dethrone it. I applaud BioWare for everything, for creating a game that I could actually get attached to.

And my favorite character of the series: Garrus

[Flyers215]

npoqrhgcnpouheprouhncpo wrote...

Flyers215 wrote...

It certainly doesn't seem silly.  It stinks that your Shepard got screwed like that.  I noticed that my second Shepard didn't look the same either, so I gave her a new face and used one of the new hairstyles that I like.

As for the Renegade evilness, my brother told me that he still got all his massive Renegade markings.  Did you not get anything at all?

no it just gives me an error code stating that it cannot read the face....so I'm left with either default Shepard or make a new face...

That stinks.  Hopefully they fix whatever the issue is.  Maybe you need to import a Shepard for the facial scars and subsequent facial distortion.

[VinHikaru]

There are many fans who dislike the ending but actually offer constructive criticism. I apologize for those people who are too immature to handle themselves responsibly on this forum, but I am among those who believe the ending needs expanding and improvement and can offer my opinion in a respectful manner.

The main point is that all the endings have the same outcome, meaning your choices over the past few games don't matter in the end. Furthermore, the Star-Child's arguments simply don't make sense given the themes and choices many players made over the course of the game. It doesn't make any sense within the game's own universe.

Modifié par VinHikaru, 18 mars 2012 - 03:33 .

[medusa_hair]

there is a thread for specific suggestions about what should be changed...the ending is getting a lot of attention so if you can list exactly what it is about the ending that you disliked (which shouldn't be hard), that is a good place to go. It is in the "spoilers allowed" forum.

Modifié par medusa_hair, 18 mars 2012 - 03:42 .

[xxskyshadowxx]

Flyers215 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Flyers215 wrote...

The last number that I saw on sales was about 3.5 million.  How many do you think have posted in this thread or said something negative through some kind of social media outlet?  I'd wager that it's somewhere in the thousands, not exceeding maybe 50,000.  That's pure guesswork, but I hope you get the idea.  To be fair, many of the fans here in this thread are some of the most dedicated and invested fans of the series and/or BioWare as a company.  Again, it's a shame that not everyone loves the game in all its aspects, but I feel that BioWare made a fantastic series through and through.

Now, I'm not claiming that opinions aren't important.  I agree that BioWare has been very diligent in listening to fan feedback and you made a great point with the upcoming SW:TOR patch.  It's constructive and works with the fans to provide what they've been asking for.

On the other hand, they gave us a great game.  It's very well-made and the journey to the ending is just outstanding.  I don't want them to just keep adding endings and adjustments from people complaining that it's not exactly what they wanted.  BioWare is telling the story and we are consuming it.  The same is true with authors, directors, poets, et cetera.  In addition to Mass Effect, I'm a huge fan of the Harry Potter series.  I was disappointed by that ending and thought that it was poorly done, but that is Ms. Rowling's story.  She told it, it's over, and that's that.  I have never argued that she should erase what she wrote and do it over because I asked for something different.  I kind of find that offensive and a bit childish.

Yes, the Mass Effect situation is different.  Many player choices were made throughout the series, but I feel that many, if not all, of them were resolved in the final game.  Squadmates from previous games made appearances and explained what's been happening with them and they either died or came with you to Earth to fight the Reapers.  No, those decisions did not come to fruition in the absolute ending, but the story doesn't allow for a plethora of choices.  The Child told you how it is.  More or less, he said this is what needs to be done.  Now choose.

Them going through and changing endings and making alterations seems like a very slippery slope to me.  If they do that, then I'll go on a tirade that Legion died, that Miranda isn't a squadmate, that EDI becomes corporeal, that I never got to see Tali's face, or whatever number of things that I'd like to see different in the game.  If they're changing endings, then why should I be denied?  Why should Legion not live or any of the other situations I mentioned become reality?  I feel that it ultimately takes away from the story and makes everything seem just fake.

I don't understand your comments about Samantha, though.  What fighting?  What pushing?  What did BioWare cave on?  I'm just ignorant on the subject.

there's a difference between asking for the endings we've been promised (widly divergent, directly affected by our choices through all three games, completely acheavable through single player alone and the opposite of pick between a,b or c) and asking for minor changes to character outcomes.  and even then - Tali and Garrus are ONLY romansable becasue fans asked for it.  m/m romances as well as f/f only romance (aka Samantha) were added because fans fougt for it on these very forums.  and I believe the number of people in Fight for the love group was barely above a thousand.

a lot of the choices, or more like non-choices that you are railroaded into already feel fake.  giving people more choices gives more replayability.  options are a good thing, you know.  it doesn't take away from YOUR story.  it gives you an opportunity to create NEW stories.  which is what Mass Effect was supposed to be all about.  

I originaly had 15 Shepards going into ME3.  it cut down to 6 once I started reading the spoilers.  I stopped at one after playing the game through the first time.  becasue all of those stories?  they don't matter.  they all end exactly the same way. 

I haven't seen these promises, but I'll take your word for it.  To be honest, I'd have to see exactly what they say to see if "widly divergent" endings/outcomes were promised or not.  From what I've read on this thread, there are quite a few ways to "experience the ending," but the ultimate outcome is the same.

I'm glad that some group was fighting for me to have Samantha, then.  I didn't know until just recently that she's exclusively lesbian, which I actually find a tad odd.  I can see Cortez being exclusively gay since he's actually a widower, but Samantha could certainly be playing for both teams.  However, I'm glad to see that kind of attention given to players that pursue that kind of relationship.  It's much appreciated.

More choices aren't bad.  I don't mean to give the impression that I feel that they're bad, but adding them after the fact gives me the feeling that they're not real, original, or even supposed to exist.  We'll both just have to wait and see what BioWare does about it.

Interestingly, I also had 15 Shepards going into ME3 and I intend to play every one of them.  ME3 is more about the journey than the ending for me.  I like playing as the different classes on the different difficulty settings as well.

This is the forum that illustrates a lot of the PR claims that were made prior to the game's release if you are curious:  http://social.biowar.../index/10056886

[Kreiger42]

 there may be a simple yet effective way to keep the peace, keep the gameplays endings but replace the after credtits cutscene. instead of the child talking to his grand father about the story of shepard, bring back meaning to the N7 program and pinnical station. none of this "he awakes in the hospital..." crap floating around, make shepard come out of the training sim with the station crew applauding for a new "high score" and garrus having a laugh about the outcomes of the game with anderson re-instating him afterwards. closes off cerberus chapter, keeps fan base happy with minimal work and makes pinnical station meaningfull again. thoughts?

thanks once again.






"I'm commander shepard, and this is my favourite store on the citidel"

[evillamor]

Obviously the ending of ME3 has many questions unaccounted for. I have the impression Bioware already have another ending up their sleeves they just don't want to reveal yet. I can see that they can insert a DLC anywhere from when the Reaper shot Shep and company before going to the Citadel, when he woke up, from the time he is at the Catalyst, etc.

I also think they are going to put a plug in on how and why the crew went into the Normandy (most likely to rescue Shep in the Citadel) then Joker got "Lost" in a tropical world, or Shep is going to be in that tropical world with his crew. Well game has just been released and I am pretty sure Bioware has a lot of money making scheme to milk us for our money on DLC's, but that's the way it is and I am very excited on my next ME3 adventure.

[Shep4life]

For the love of god make it all an indoctornation induced halucination, it makes more sense than the actual ending as it stands as of now. Also i was literally broken by the game i am not ashamed to say that i am 27 years old and i am very attached to the characters of Mass effect, I have never played a video game that made me tear up or straight up cry when the characters started dying and making heroic sacrifices because of my influence on them. The current ending just totally undermines all of that experience and i am left with letterally nothing i was hoping for! I am not even talking about CDR Shep living or dying it doesnt matter to me infact it would make a better ending if he did die saving the galaxy as long as its justified with us being able to see my little asari/quarian/human children being raised by my segnificant other, and the rest of the galaxy at peace!

[AlphaScrewySam]

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

Flyers215 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Flyers215 wrote...

The last number that I saw on sales was about 3.5 million.  How many do you think have posted in this thread or said something negative through some kind of social media outlet?  I'd wager that it's somewhere in the thousands, not exceeding maybe 50,000.  That's pure guesswork, but I hope you get the idea.  To be fair, many of the fans here in this thread are some of the most dedicated and invested fans of the series and/or BioWare as a company.  Again, it's a shame that not everyone loves the game in all its aspects, but I feel that BioWare made a fantastic series through and through.

Now, I'm not claiming that opinions aren't important.  I agree that BioWare has been very diligent in listening to fan feedback and you made a great point with the upcoming SW:TOR patch.  It's constructive and works with the fans to provide what they've been asking for.

On the other hand, they gave us a great game.  It's very well-made and the journey to the ending is just outstanding.  I don't want them to just keep adding endings and adjustments from people complaining that it's not exactly what they wanted.  BioWare is telling the story and we are consuming it.  The same is true with authors, directors, poets, et cetera.  In addition to Mass Effect, I'm a huge fan of the Harry Potter series.  I was disappointed by that ending and thought that it was poorly done, but that is Ms. Rowling's story.  She told it, it's over, and that's that.  I have never argued that she should erase what she wrote and do it over because I asked for something different.  I kind of find that offensive and a bit childish.

Yes, the Mass Effect situation is different.  Many player choices were made throughout the series, but I feel that many, if not all, of them were resolved in the final game.  Squadmates from previous games made appearances and explained what's been happening with them and they either died or came with you to Earth to fight the Reapers.  No, those decisions did not come to fruition in the absolute ending, but the story doesn't allow for a plethora of choices.  The Child told you how it is.  More or less, he said this is what needs to be done.  Now choose.

Them going through and changing endings and making alterations seems like a very slippery slope to me.  If they do that, then I'll go on a tirade that Legion died, that Miranda isn't a squadmate, that EDI becomes corporeal, that I never got to see Tali's face, or whatever number of things that I'd like to see different in the game.  If they're changing endings, then why should I be denied?  Why should Legion not live or any of the other situations I mentioned become reality?  I feel that it ultimately takes away from the story and makes everything seem just fake.

I don't understand your comments about Samantha, though.  What fighting?  What pushing?  What did BioWare cave on?  I'm just ignorant on the subject.

there's a difference between asking for the endings we've been promised (widly divergent, directly affected by our choices through all three games, completely acheavable through single player alone and the opposite of pick between a,b or c) and asking for minor changes to character outcomes.  and even then - Tali and Garrus are ONLY romansable becasue fans asked for it.  m/m romances as well as f/f only romance (aka Samantha) were added because fans fougt for it on these very forums.  and I believe the number of people in Fight for the love group was barely above a thousand.

a lot of the choices, or more like non-choices that you are railroaded into already feel fake.  giving people more choices gives more replayability.  options are a good thing, you know.  it doesn't take away from YOUR story.  it gives you an opportunity to create NEW stories.  which is what Mass Effect was supposed to be all about.  

I originaly had 15 Shepards going into ME3.  it cut down to 6 once I started reading the spoilers.  I stopped at one after playing the game through the first time.  becasue all of those stories?  they don't matter.  they all end exactly the same way. 

I haven't seen these promises, but I'll take your word for it.  To be honest, I'd have to see exactly what they say to see if "widly divergent" endings/outcomes were promised or not.  From what I've read on this thread, there are quite a few ways to "experience the ending," but the ultimate outcome is the same.

I'm glad that some group was fighting for me to have Samantha, then.  I didn't know until just recently that she's exclusively lesbian, which I actually find a tad odd.  I can see Cortez being exclusively gay since he's actually a widower, but Samantha could certainly be playing for both teams.  However, I'm glad to see that kind of attention given to players that pursue that kind of relationship.  It's much appreciated.

More choices aren't bad.  I don't mean to give the impression that I feel that they're bad, but adding them after the fact gives me the feeling that they're not real, original, or even supposed to exist.  We'll both just have to wait and see what BioWare does about it.

Interestingly, I also had 15 Shepards going into ME3 and I intend to play every one of them.  ME3 is more about the journey than the ending for me.  I like playing as the different classes on the different difficulty settings as well.

This is the forum that illustrates a lot of the PR claims that were made prior to the game's release if you are curious:  http://social.biowar.../index/10056886

It's funny because every single statement is a lie.