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[Nexis7]

Honestly, I didnt mind Shepard dying. I thought that was pretty powerful/
I loved how the endings were PRESENTED. Like, with the flashbacks before Shepard's death, the music, everything.
but the endings themselves just were bad.
All three choices had horrible consequences, I hate how the 'destroy' option, the option you've been working towards since Mass Effect 1, is suddenly a 'renegade' choice and it kills all synthetic life.
In my opinion, I would've liked if the ending stopped at anderson dying. As in, Shepard lays next to him and dies aswell, as the Crucible fires up and kills the reapers successfully.


Everything up till the Starchild bull**** was amazing. Honestly, ME3 is a great game. I was enjoying it so much up to Anderson dying.
Me: "TT_TT oh man this games so great and so sad I-
*shepard goes up platform*
Starchild: I CONTROL DA REAPERS
Me: .....
Starchild: CHOOSE FROM 3 ENDINGS. ALL END BADLY.
Me: ........................
Starchild: LOLZ BYE NOW~~
Me: .....................................................................


Then again I dont think theres much bioware can do. They could release a DLC but they'll likely charge for it. And that would be such incredible bull****, charging for an ending. But then again they'l have to charge, they're not going to work on something without getting paid.
sigh.

other than that I really loved the game, its a beautiful trilogy.

[Redban103]

Like someone said earlier and I totally agree with, It's not about a happy ending, it's about an ending that makes sense.

 

Safoulan wrote...

Indoctrination Theory is Fact... I Hope

 

The indoctrination theory would be pretty cool, but I have a feeling the ending they made was sincere. Just with terrible detail. If the theory was right then why didn't they finish the game? If you do just wake up, that means the reapers are still there and are a current threat. Why just stop and then add the stupid stargazer scene which makes it seem like what happened was true. If they do rip off this theory and make us pay for a game that should've already been finished then that DLC would be the last time Bioware gets my business.

Actually now that I think about it, I wouldn't even buy a DLC for the ending, I'd just youtube it instead of give money where it's not deserved (more than the 60 bucks it already deserved tho, the rest of the game was almost perfect don't get me wrong). 

Nexis7 wrote...
They could release a DLC but they'll likely charge for it. And that would be such incredible bull****, charging for an ending. But then again they'l have to charge, they're not going to work on something without getting paid.
sigh.

 

I think with the money we paid for the game, an ending was supposed to be included. I don't consider that an ending since they left too much up in the air. Without an epilogue on what happened to the Galaxy after? kind of thing.

Modifié par Redban103, 18 mars 2012 - 01:30 .

[Scyldemort]

Nexis7 wrote...
In my opinion, I would've liked if the ending stopped at anderson dying. As in, Shepard lays next to him and dies aswell, as the Crucible fires up and kills the reapers successfully.

This.

[RiGoRmOrTiS_UK]

Redban103 wrote...

Like someone said earlier and I totally agree with, It's not about a happy ending, it's about an ending that makes sense.

exactly. but whenever people try to talk us down they say its just because we want a happy ending. i know they do it to annoy people but seriously. get a clue.

[Arivle]

Nexis7 wrote...
Then again I dont think theres much bioware can do. They could release a DLC but they'll likely charge for it.

Well, they better should. Because otherwise it will hurt their planned DLC sales considerably. Unless there is a DLC with better ending (I don't care if payed or not) I'm not going to buy any other ME3 DLCs and I think I'm not the only one. Not as some kind of "revolt" but it simply gives me no joy to live some "earlier" Shepard story if I "know" how horribly she ends. It simply ruins my dreams and I have no joy from playing such DLCs and living through their stories then.

[Fred_MacManus]

You people at Bioware need to read this, then sit back and THINK about it.

[GizmoKodiak]

Did anyone else think that the music that started as Joker stepped out was also totally out of place and also quite lame? Where was the ME theme? I was so waiting for that to flair up in a fanfare...

[Gigerstreak]

Speculation is NOT good storytelling.

Promises were made and not kept.

Do what you promised and we will be happy!

There is enough consensus in these threads to decide what to do with DLC/patching.

Mass Effect 2 set a precedent that we came to expect in terms of choice and consequence.

Most of the storytelling was top notch. The ending was atrocious and went against the basics of storytelling. Mass Effect 3 was brilliant on storytelling throughout the majority of the game.

The awesome quality of the majority of the game is in stark contrast with the ending.

At this point it seems like the indoctrination theory is Bioware's only option, though I would prefer a redo from the reaper beam moment. The indoctrination theory would allow Bioware to save the most face and deliver "the rest" of the content to make the story good once again.

This isn't about appeasing fans. It's about looking at your work and your promises and realizing that what was provided just isn't on par with the quality of the rest of it.

Bioware and Mass Effect were like watching sports. You found a team you liked. They won the playoffs. During the final play they kicked for the winning field goal and it fell SHORT! They lost all because of those final 3 points and it was like the kicker didn't even try.

[I am Sovereign]

tookrunk1991 wrote...

my favorite part in me3 was the epic battle with Harbinger...... oh wait that didn't happen....

This. I also loved the part where we actually saw Tali's face in-game, the part where you explain why the whole "dark matter" thing in the second game is actually relevant. Oh and lets not forget the EPIC ending where all of our choices are taken into account and we are rewarded for our playthroughs that we tailored for this game over the last 5 YEARS.... Oh, wait....

[Redban103]

 

Arivle wrote...
Well, they better should. Because otherwise it will hurt their planned DLC sales considerably. Unless there is a DLC with better ending (I don't care if payed or not) I'm not going to buy any other ME3 DLCs and I think I'm not the only one. Not as some kind of "revolt" but it simply gives me no joy to live some "earlier" Shepard story if I "know" how horribly she ends. It simply ruins my dreams and I have no joy from playing such DLCs and living through their stories then.

 

Yeah really, if people don't even feel like replaying the game even once more after the ending spoiled it, why would they be inclined to play DLC when they know where it will lead? Having that bad ending easily killed most of the profit they would make off DLC. Fixing up an ending should be top priority since it affects if people will continue playing and buying their content and products.

Modifié par Redban103, 18 mars 2012 - 01:38 .

[Winged Squiger]

My favorite moment... I can't choose, it's either Thane fighting Kai Leng, the renegade interupt to kill Kai Leng, or shooting bottlles with Garrus on the citadel. But I cried when Mordin died singing "Scientist Salarian", or when Thane or Legion died, then your last talk with Anderson...
Great job Bioware, this series as a whole connected you to the characters, and I think some games don't really do that anymore...

[Enichan]

Like others are saying, its not about it not being a happy ending, it's about missing the point on all counts.

You have us:
- Play through a superbly detailed game where we get feedback about every choice we have ever made in the trilogy (not my favourite thing, but pretty close) and then for the end we're given not only terrible choices (see below) but the "feedback", if you can call it that, is a short epilogue with some pretty colors and then credits roll. We don't see what happens to anyone or anything.
- Watch our team mates get vaporized, yet somehow in the epilogue (as far as you can call it that) I watched Liara somehow walk off the Normandy unscathed. There goes what little immersion was left for me.
- Humanizing EDI if we want, and making peace between Geth and Quarrians, showing synthetics and organics can get along, then give us 3 choices all predicated on a flimsy "synthetics will always destroy organics" premise. I had to go with the synthesis ending cause I couldn't mess with EDI and the Geth.
- Faffing around on the Citadel endlessly, only to kill off everyone on board offscreen, in between missions, without so much as a cutscene or a how do you do. Sure glad I didn't authorize that asari commandos gun, she might've hurt herself before the Reapers ate her brain offscreen! And I guess all the C-Sec bolstering I did in the end meant nothing.
- Have us agonize over minor decisions like whether or not Jack's students should be assault or defense, and then make it completely irrelevant anyway.
- Finish off this already slap-in-the-face ending with a terrible stargazer stinger, with characters we don't know, can't relate to, don't care about, answers nothing, and is ultimately just an excuse to shove your "BUY OUR STUFF IN THE FUTURE TOO!" message in our faces.

My favourite moment? Making peace between Geth and Quarrians. It was epic, and Legion sacrificing himself was so sad, but so symbolic of how synthetics and organics can, inevitably, coexist. Then you completely nullify the best moment in the game for me by forcing me to accept your "synthetics and organics will always kill each other" ending, because I can't even kill the reapers, because doing so would kill EDI and the Geth.

I would've been more satisfied with an ending where Shep dies, the cycle continues, but through the heroics of this cycle the next one defeats the reapers. Really defeats them, none of this metaphysical crucible nonsense.

<_<

[Kreiger42]

i like the whole "we value our fan base and listen to there feedback" and yet their response to all our feedback is "we appreciate the ideas, but were not going to do anything regarding your concerns" why give us hope that we can help change this around for the better if we truely cant?

[Markplayer]

I'm hoping that Bioware will take use of the indoctrination theory regardless of did they mean the ending to be perceived that way, since it's the most reasonable way to "undo the damage" and give us a proper ending. Anyway, I really do think that Mass Effect 3 is an amazing game and propably the strongest candidate for GOTY so far. Outside of the ending I think that the big decisions from ME1 and ME2 would have had a bigger impact (ie. the rachni).

[Little R AAAAA]

I was a huge fan of the game up until the end, making DLC unappealing, it seemed to be like a cop out so in the next game based in the mass effect universe only has to import one decision. A, B or C

You seem to have forgotten that people love the heroic happy endings that's what we have been working towards for the last FIVE YEARS replaying games so nothing goes wrong.

Examples of this is the Ledgend of Zelda franchise fans of the franchise fans go back game after game enjoying the JOURNEY and the ENDING, because we are all suckers for the overcoming all odds and getting the girl, no one ever spends 50 hours gaming and then says " well I killed the bad guy in the end and got the princess, it was pretty lame, I would have preffered he died after all that work"

And don't go down the Halo Road of where they say Halo 3 is the last Master Cheif game, and then provide us with spin offs like Halo:Wars, ODST and Reach and then realise all the fans want is the Original Protagonist back on the centre stage.

I mean take the XXX with Vin diesel, great film, then you get some crappy sequel with a different actor and no sequel to that one suprise suprise.

My favourite moments in the game was when I got to do missions with my old squad members and seeing how they had developed and what they were going through.   The only thing I missed was some one on one time with Harbinger and a final boss battle.

But there is an incredible oppurtunity for Bioware here to say "We were the first company to listen to our LONG TIME fans so we have taken onboard what they have said and done it"

However I loved the game brilliantly done. wish it could have worked out better.

Btw no Krogan team member what's that all about???

[Mcfly616]

I cannot comprehend the very few people that can a actually say that this was a good ending....they must not have played ME1 or ME2....

the whole trilogy is about CHOICE and CONSEQUENCE. And at the very end of it all, there is but one singular Consequence for the hundreds of Choices you have made: DEATH....

Death by Reapers, or death by Mass Extinction! Those are good ends to a trilogy about choice and consequence and seeing.that played out on variety of ways in the two previous games, only to finish with one ending. It was essentially Gears of War in Space. A shooter that holds your hand the whole way through and gives you one definitive lackluster ending with more questions and no answers.

It's just lazy damn writing to just cap it off with: CHOICE IS AN ILLUSION. Oh and then Shep wakes up on Earth. Great.

[Winged Squiger]

Nexis7 wrote...

Honestly, I didnt mind Shepard dying. I thought that was pretty powerful/
I loved how the endings were PRESENTED. Like, with the flashbacks before Shepard's death, the music, everything.
but the endings themselves just were bad.
All three choices had horrible consequences, I hate how the 'destroy' option, the option you've been working towards since Mass Effect 1, is suddenly a 'renegade' choice and it kills all synthetic life.
In my opinion, I would've liked if the ending stopped at anderson dying. As in, Shepard lays next to him and dies aswell, as the Crucible fires up and kills the reapers successfully.


Everything up till the Starchild bull**** was amazing. Honestly, ME3 is a great game. I was enjoying it so much up to Anderson dying.
Me: "TT_TT oh man this games so great and so sad I-
*shepard goes up platform*
Starchild: I CONTROL DA REAPERS
Me: .....
Starchild: CHOOSE FROM 3 ENDINGS. ALL END BADLY.
Me: ........................
Starchild: LOLZ BYE NOW~~
Me: .....................................................................


Then again I dont think theres much bioware can do. They could release a DLC but they'll likely charge for it. And that would be such incredible bull****, charging for an ending. But then again they'l have to charge, they're not going to work on something without getting paid.
sigh.

other than that I really loved the game, its a beautiful trilogy.

^ This.
I agree with you 100% on everything except the second to last paragraph, I'm thinking they probably won't charge you just because I still have hope that EA isn't running the show all the time. And it could serve as a redemption for the Day one DLC that was on the disc

[Redban103]

Winged Squiger wrote...

My favorite moment... I can't choose, it's either Thane fighting Kai Leng, the renegade interupt to kill Kai Leng, or shooting bottlles with Garrus on the citadel. But I cried when Mordin died singing "Scientist Salarian", or when Thane or Legion died, then your last talk with Anderson...
Great job Bioware, this series as a whole connected you to the characters, and I think some games don't really do that anymore...

I actually feel that new players to the series got cheated. Thane's fight one of your favorites? Too bad it can't be some people's too since people who didn't play ME2 weren't able to meet Thane. Same goes for Grunt, with my favorite scene in the game, why hold it back when they put so much work into giving Grunt an awesome scene? It's another one of my issues but I try not to bring it up so it the ending gets the attention it deserves

[Scyldemort]

Knowing that nothing you do matters and that ultimately the galaxy is condemned to isolation (no mass relays), ruin and collapse kind of takes the shine off, doesn't it? Even if we assume that the destruction of the relays didn't destroy the star systems they were in. That huge fleet? Stuck on a ruined world that lacks the resources to support it. Every planet the reapers attacked? Doomed without intergalactic relief efforts. The galactic economy? Ceases to exist. All those people you made such an effort to help on the citadel? Killed off screen. All that trouble you went through in the original Mass Effect to stop Sovereign from taking control of the Citadel? Turns out it was just trolling you. It could have taken control of it remotely and moved it wherever the hell it wanted. All those themes of humanity earning its place in the galaxy and/or uniting the galaxy? Yeah, none of that matters anymore. Did you save the Rachni? Good for you! I'm happy for you! It makes no difference whatever. But pat yourself on the back, you Rachni-saving Shepard, you. Did you keep the Collector Base? Awesome. Does it matter? No. Did you save the Geth? Did you save the Quarians? Did you find a way to save them both? Sweet. Totally irrelevant. Any DLC will just be adding more insult to injury: "Hey, here's another awesome thing that you can do that doesn't matter in any way!"

Bioware: "u mad, bro?"

Modifié par Scyldemort, 18 mars 2012 - 01:49 .

[Redban103]

Markplayer wrote...
I'm hoping that Bioware will take use of the indoctrination theory regardless of did they mean the ending to be perceived that way, since it's the most reasonable way to "undo the damage" and give us a proper ending. Anyway, I really do think that Mass Effect 3 is an amazing game and propably the strongest candidate for GOTY so far. Outside of the ending I think that the big decisions from ME1 and ME2 would have had a bigger impact (ie. the rachni).

I hear what your sayin but unfinished games don't get GOTY.

[Mcfly616]

I'm not asking for anything....and I don't expect anything from them....but if its not fixed, or the true ending isn't added or announced soon, the end of my favorite videogame series will have effectively ruined videogames entirely for me....

I love games....I've purchased 31 games in the past 12 months alone....pretty hardcore....I haven't picked up my controller since beating the game last Sunday night....insane....

I planned on playing through the series from the beginning again....that was until the credits rolled in ME3....now I can't even bring myself to turn on my Xbox

[I am Sovereign]

So... is Bioware even responding to any of the criticism in this thread at all? I was under the impression they were "listening".

[Dolphin FFetus]

Fred_MacManus wrote...

You people at Bioware need to read this, then sit back and THINK about it.

Why bother? Hudson and Walters aren't going to read this. Gabe and Tycho will just post another blog beratting the haters and say how people just don't "get" the ending.

I am Sovereign wrote...

So... is Bioware even responding
to any of the criticism in this thread at all? I was under the
impression they were "listening".

Hudson: Its been quite the journey working on Mass Effect, all your feedback matters to us! These magazines and PA loved the game and all the choices! 

(No).

Modifié par Dolphin FFetus, 18 mars 2012 - 01:56 .

[Enichan]

I planned on playing through the series from the beginning again....that was until the credits rolled in ME3....now I can't even bring myself to turn on my Xbox

Me too. I was also planning on buying the DLC I hadn't bought yet to do just that. Now I'm definitely not spending more money on this franchise, unless the ending gets fixed, which seems pretty unlikely.

Modifié par Enichan, 18 mars 2012 - 03:11 .

[Tony Redgrave]

Fred_MacManus wrote...

You people at Bioware need to read this, then sit back and THINK about it.

Excellent arcticle. BioWare, and everyone else too, should read this.