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[bti79]

I thought ME3 was the best ME yet - until the ending which just didn't live up to expectations.

Nothing about the ending made any sense. I agree with the many comments that have been made about the fact that the endings seems to disregard every major decision thorughout the series. Huge letdown in face of the hype pre-launch.

But even worse is that none of the endings can count as a success in terms of what Shepard has been fighting for throughout the entire series. I do realize the cliche in happy ever after endings - and I'm not saying it should be the only ending. But would it have hurt the story much to have the option? As it stands it's just depressing.

The other thing is all the inconsistency. I like speculations as much as the next guy, but it's more fun when it's not completely open and contradicts everything you know. That's really more a cliff hanger style ending - not suitable as conclusion to a long and otherwise epic series.

I do hope Bioware makes this right with a DLC. This is like pre Witch Hunt in DA:O - only 100 times worse.

[MysticFred]

Would any of you that "get" or understand the ending, or say that it makes sense please PM me with your thoughts or an explanation about it? Thanks in advance.

[Grasich]

bti79 wrote...

I thought ME3 was the best ME yet - until the ending which just didn't live up to expectations.

Nothing about the ending made any sense. I agree with the many comments that have been made about the fact that the endings seems to disregard every major decision thorughout the series. Huge letdown in face of the hype pre-launch.

But even worse is that none of the endings can count as a success in terms of what Shepard has been fighting for throughout the entire series. I do realize the cliche in happy ever after endings - and I'm not saying it should be the only ending. But would it have hurt the story much to have the option? As it stands it's just depressing.

The other thing is all the inconsistency. I like speculations as much as the next guy, but it's more fun when it's not completely open and contradicts everything you know. That's really more a cliff hanger style ending - not suitable as conclusion to a long and otherwise epic series.

I do hope Bioware makes this right with a DLC. This is like pre Witch Hunt in DA:O - only 100 times worse.

Pre witch hunt in DA:O still offered a lot more closure. I actually enjoyed that ending. There was hope for the future, and you got a quick glimpse of what other characters were going to do. The only real loose end was what your own character was going to do, but that's pretty easy to just make up exactly what you want to happen, and be satisfied with it.

[Sharuko]

I love all BioWare games except Dragon Age 2. Mass Effect 1 was my favorite game of all time.

99% of Mass Effect 3 was epic and to me, a masterpiece. And the ending for me ruined it all, because nothing mattered.

Who was the Starchild? Why are we given these options? Why couldn't it just naturally happen without these choices. It also needed more closure, a lot of stories we got closure but with this it was a cliff hangar, it wouldn't have mattered if it was one game but it was a trilogy and fans would want more closure.  Why were the relays destroyed?  What will the other races and armies on Earth do without the relays?

The game is still amazing overall but the ending was horrible.

Modifié par Sharuko, 18 mars 2012 - 05:01 .

[m19z]

I loved the whole series. From the comics and books to the games.
I just dislike the unlock system in the multiplayer, but that's about it.

A bit more in-depth reason of why I loved the ending: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10135864

Just my 2 cents.

[Alsuras]

You've listened for long enough Bioware, you need to start talking back to us now. Tens of thousands of your fans want answers, I know there's a lot to consider before you give us any, but the longer we're left waiting the more resentment you're building among your fanbase.

[Aetius5]

If you are listening then please provide some closure. Tell us what happens to all of our friends and enemies we have made for the past 3 games. Tell us what happens to the galaxy at large (i.e. Krogan redemption). Tell us our choices from 1 to 3 mattered and please give us more than a palette swap of endings.

Until Bioware redeems itself, I won't renew my TOR subscription or buy any other future products from this company. My 960 BW points can rot for all I care. I won't play another single player campaign either, just some multiplayer here and there and trust me, I won't spend any money on reinforcement packs. I'm not trying to troll or rage, but if Bioware wants to provide endings to games like it did to ME3, then I am not interested in those types of products. Just sayin'.

Modifié par Aetius5, 18 mars 2012 - 05:00 .

[MisterP146]

Gotta say I love the series too.

It's just disappointing that after spending countless hours crafting your own version of the Mass Effect story that the endings did not provide enough variety and closure

Modifié par MisterP146, 18 mars 2012 - 05:05 .

[VotableDread91]

The ending was emotionally and logically unsatisfying. I feel like my renegade or paragon Shepard wouldn't stand for the star child's disingenuous assertions (that was a joke but you get the idea)
This was a cliffhanger ending that i guess would maybe make more sense to utilize if this WASN'T the ending of a trilogy. There isn't much speculation because there's evidence to suggest that everyone dies either way because the mass relay either destroyed the Sol System, or everyone is stranded on Earth. I'm pretty sure everyone would die considering the competition for resources and the fact that Turians and Quarians can't eat human food...

Modifié par VotableDread91, 18 mars 2012 - 05:04 .

[luci90]

Look, BW, it's been 240 pages so far and no word from you.

I just need to know if I should cut my losses and walk away like a bad relationship, or if I should keep hope alive.
It's not fair to keep a person in purgatory.

[Tizzy333]

I loved the ending, and felt I had to come post about that here since negativity seems to have taken over the board since the game released.

I loved the ending being so open, and I really loved how it seemingly made homage to other sci-fi works, most commonly 2001: A Space Odyssey and Tron. I found it a fitting ending even when it didn't provide people with a "happy" ending where everyone cheered, everybody was saved and Jesus walked Earth again in the form of Shepard.

In fact, I love the lack of a proper happy ending.I feel the storytelling in ME3 took a step forward on what other games have advanced (Most cited being Half-Life and Final Fantasy VII): Telling a compelling story through a video game. Not only did ME3 do that, but it also had an ending that, regardless of your point of view, was unexpected and generated a very strong reaction from the player, which is the main point of narrative works.

So for all its flaws (because from a gameplay standpoint ME3 has way more flaws than ME2 did), Mass Effect 3 and its ending did nothing but help video games take another step to be considered a proper means to tell a story and, therefore, a form of art of their own. And that's a bigger achievement than anything else the series has made.

[MisterP146]

luci90 wrote...

Look, BW, it's been 240 pages so far and no word from you.

I just need to know if I should cut my losses and walk away like a bad relationship, or if I should keep hope alive.
It's not fair to keep a person in purgatory.

Hold the line!

[InfiniteJusticeG]

The thing that makes me disappointed is everything in the ending mission that includes earth. I think that (presumably others aswell), "it's time now. Time to take back earth!" ...-And what do we get? Guard a missletruck for 30minutes... And then the ending starts.
We get no time to battle on earth!?
No more missions? .. We just go to London and guard this piece of **** truck for 60% of the time..
Fine with that. If their would be more missions like:--
-> Guard that truck -> Take out some reapers -> Take back some grounds with support from the Dreadnoughts and other spaceships -> Move to another location or country -> Do some epic stuffs there -> Last location -> MOAR EPIC STUFFS -> Ending and conclusions

Mass Effect 3 whole slogan are "Take Back Earth" and I know I repeat the whole **** over again, but.. guarding a truck for 30 minutes is not to take earth back.

[luci90]

MisterP146 wrote...

luci90 wrote...

Look, BW, it's been 240 pages so far and no word from you.

I just need to know if I should cut my losses and walk away like a bad relationship, or if I should keep hope alive.
It's not fair to keep a person in purgatory.

Hold the line!

Tryin to.

It ain't easy.

[Grasich]

MisterP146 wrote...

luci90 wrote...

Look, BW, it's been 240 pages so far and no word from you.

I just need to know if I should cut my losses and walk away like a bad relationship, or if I should keep hope alive.
It's not fair to keep a person in purgatory.

Hold the line!

Hold The Line!!!

don't give in to "bunker up and hide" PR strategies.

Hold The Line!!!

[jeweledleah]

Wildhide wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

toddmetzger wrote...

I really hope the endings aren't ruined because a few people are moaning about them not being happy, complain about plot holes but never give any examples of such inconsistencies or complain about them "not making sense" when they make perfect sense.

pages and pages and pages of people outlining the exact inconsistencies are.. what?  invisible?

like how the heck did completely unharmed Anderson made it into the beam before Shepard did?  where did illusive man come from - if you just look around the area, he's not there, and its a platphorm with barely visible roof.  why didn't catalyst just summon the reapers in ME1?  how come it didn't figure out the changes to the keepers?  what was the point of sovereign?  what the heck happened to the squadmates Shepard had with them, they were right behind one moment, and nowhere to be found the next (unless you have a very low EMS)  why was Joker somewhere off in space trying to outrun the shockwave, WITH your ground team on board?  how did the systems survive relay explosions?  (or did they?)  and those are just high points.

I completely forgot about the keepers!  If the Catalyst was on the Citadel all this time, he would have KNOWN the Protheans popped in and changed them.

the inconistenices with the endings are the most glaring when you play all 3 games back to back, like I did.

incidentaly - its not just keepers that get completely pushed to the wayside.  my Shepard let Elnora go.  I was expecting to pay for it.  instead, she's never mentioned again.  what happened to Gianna Parasini?  why do I hear about all those deaths Balak cause, yet never really feel their impact on war assets?  why is appearance of Jenna and matriarch writings - tied to Conrad? there's a great post earlier in this thread, giving scientific analysis why relays exploding would have destroyed about 90% of the civilization, definitely would have destroyed the fleet.  on the heels of that Shockwave that only destroyed/controlled/merged the reapers... there would have been a second shockwave - from the relay destruction - and that one would have decimated everything in its path.

opinions and preferences are subjective, yes.  breaking the lore however?  its not.

current endings break the lore.  big time.  and I'm sorry, but liking them hinges on both the love of drama (I guess you don't have enough of it in real life or something) and the "just don't think too hard about it and go with it" view

[Bergy_si]

 Like sead in this review (contains mature language!):
Mass Effect 3 Angry Review

My emotions while playing the game, and
I don't have the desire to play ME3 again...

[bti79]

Grasich wrote...
Pre witch hunt in DA:O still offered a lot more closure. I actually enjoyed that ending. There was hope for the future, and you got a quick glimpse of what other characters were going to do. The only real loose end was what your own character was going to do, but that's pretty easy to just make up exactly what you want to happen, and be satisfied with it.

I agree that even pre Witch Hunt DAO offered a lot more closure. Hence my "100 times worse" comment. I think Morrigans story was a huge loose end until Witch Hunt though. WH made it more or less right - even if it left the impression that there was many more stoies yet to be told.

[Wildhide]

Tizzy333 wrote...

I loved the ending, and felt I had to come post about that here since negativity seems to have taken over the board since the game released.

I loved the ending being so open, and I really loved how it seemingly made homage to other sci-fi works, most commonly 2001: A Space Odyssey and Tron. I found it a fitting ending even when it didn't provide people with a "happy" ending where everyone cheered, everybody was saved and Jesus walked Earth again in the form of Shepard.

In fact, I love the lack of a proper happy ending.I feel the storytelling in ME3 took a step forward on what other games have advanced (Most cited being Half-Life and Final Fantasy VII): Telling a compelling story through a video game. Not only did ME3 do that, but it also had an ending that, regardless of your point of view, was unexpected and generated a very strong reaction from the player, which is the main point of narrative works.

So for all its flaws (because from a gameplay standpoint ME3 has way more flaws than ME2 did), Mass Effect 3 and its ending did nothing but help video games take another step to be considered a proper means to tell a story and, therefore, a form of art of their own. And that's a bigger achievement than anything else the series has made.

The problem is, as I'm sure you've read, that this is not A Space Odyssey, so it's ending doesn't fit at all with the game.  Shocking and jarring for the sake of it is not good writing.  And the writing is poor, at best.  So while I'm glad you liked it, I expect much better quality than a shod together mess that I felt this was from Bioware.

Considering what they did with stories like Mordin's, it baffles me they could fumble up creating any sort of coherent, sensicle, appropriate ending.  Or that they simply through out all the themes of the game for an entirely knew one.

It doesn't have to be happy, it has to fit the story.  The only shocking, noncliche part about this ending (Because sacrificial endings are very common in stories of all genre's) is that it's so terrible.

[Haargel]

To many to sum up... a few :
The sacrifice of Legion, Thane and Mordin
Broker peace between the Quarians and the Geth.

Jack saying´Whatcha gonna do, pin my back against the wall again´´ ??
Ashley talking about some convict with tattoees ( No waaay, how´d she found out, it wasn´t even romance !

Importing my paraShep, the one under who no squadmember is left behind (did the same with my renegade Femsheps though)

Then the end. Uh... what ? 3 options, that´s it ??? Not even a choice for me, I did what I intend to do since ME1, even I loved Legion and EDI.

Then more of the same BS: What is Joker doing with the Normandy somewhere far away? How did MY LI, who was with me all the time till the end, get on the Normandy, along with Garrus, who was alos with me at the end.

What happend to the fleet, Palaven, Rannoch, Thessia, the Galaxy, Hacket, all the other ex-squadmembers..

FAIL.

It depresses me.
The last time I felt so bad about some game was when they turned my favorite MMO, with the name Star Wars in it, to a World of Warcraft clone. And it felt bad, just like now.

Still playing ME 3 though, because as with the previous ones, my first run is never perfect, rushed...

Now I will take my time. especially to avoid the ending.

Pardon for my English, it´s not my mothertongue.

[luci90]

Grasich wrote...

MisterP146 wrote...

luci90 wrote...

Look, BW, it's been 240 pages so far and no word from you.

I just need to know if I should cut my losses and walk away like a bad relationship, or if I should keep hope alive.
It's not fair to keep a person in purgatory.

Hold the line!

Hold The Line!!!

don't give in to "bunker up and hide" PR strategies.

Hold The Line!!!

It occurs to me that it might be easyer to hold an actual line.

At least then you get a rifle.

And possible artillery support.

[MisterP146]

Grasich wrote...

MisterP146 wrote...

luci90 wrote...

Look, BW, it's been 240 pages so far and no word from you.

I just need to know if I should cut my losses and walk away like a bad relationship, or if I should keep hope alive.
It's not fair to keep a person in purgatory.

Hold the line!

Hold The Line!!!

don't give in to "bunker up and hide" PR strategies.

Hold The Line!!!

I have a more then sneaking suspicion that is their exact strategy

[jeweledleah]

and to reiterate.

WHAT IS PEOPLE'S PROBLEM WITH HAPPY ENDINGS? why are you so damn against an option of having one?

its funny. Dragon age games are much darker then Mass Effect ever was. and yet... protagonists STILL have an option for happyish ending. they have an option to survive and to stay with their loved ones, at least for a while.

WHY must Mass Effect always end on the bitter note? especially when the entire franchise exemplifies triumph against impossible odds?

[etnah]

I'm preaty sure that in tha Arrival we learn that when a mass relay exploed, the system exploed too (like for the butarian). so shepard fought to distroy most of the galaxy?

and without the mass relay those who still live are cut off the rest of the galaxy? so if they are on a world with toxy food, they died too.....

so shepard fough in order that the coward (joker who fled) can live with the happy few that appear magicaly on the Normandy?

the more I think about that ending the more I "like" it.....

[MisterP146]

luci90 wrote...

Grasich wrote...

MisterP146 wrote...

luci90 wrote...

Look, BW, it's been 240 pages so far and no word from you.

I just need to know if I should cut my losses and walk away like a bad relationship, or if I should keep hope alive.
It's not fair to keep a person in purgatory.

Hold the line!

Hold The Line!!!

don't give in to "bunker up and hide" PR strategies.

Hold The Line!!!

It occurs to me that it might be easyer to hold an actual line.

At least then you get a rifle.

And possible artillery support.

haha, let's hope that is not the case.