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[RiGoRmOrTiS_UK]

Modifié par RiGoRmOrTiS_UK, 18 mars 2012 - 06:58 .

[Omnike]

Evil Minion wrote...

4n4k1n wrote...

Evil Minion wrote...

4n4k1n wrote...

I am still amazed at how some people still claim that the endings are fine and that they go well with the ideas of the mass effect universe.

I think using a fictional end to dragon Age: Origin would help showing how the endings were wrong.
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There's no such thing as a "wrong" ending.

That implies a level of objectivity that doesn't exist.

please read the rest of my post and do not only quote small extracts from it as this completely kills the whole argumentation I was trying to make.Then maybe you can start speaking about objectivity.

There is no such thing as "objectivity" in relation to art.

The rest of your argument is irrelevant.

"Wrong" endings do not exist, only endings that you personally don't like.

Unless that ending is filled with things that go against everything already established. It's wrong.

 

[Jaffawer]

About the ending...

It might be better. I thought Bioware style is "way of my choices and decisions" not just have one 98% same ending, where the only diference is the color of the shock wave.
Oke... this is the end of Mass Effect series, so Bioware wanted Shepard's herotic sacrifice (his last fight) BUT hell... why bow up the relays? Nonsense and unnecessary. The galaxy is saved, but it's for nothing without mass relays.
Next thing... we don't even know what happened to the rest of the crew! And what happened to Samara, Grunt, Jacob, Miranda,...?

That's the worst problem I have with the enging. "Too many unknowns"

So yeah.... that's it.
Anyway, great job Bioware! Really enjoyed the game.

[jeweledleah]

Bl0dbathNBeyond wrote...

So I am horribly confused, and before someone helpfully notes that this has been all asked before -- I realized this but couldn't find any definitive answers, even if there are any.

Has anyone studied what criteria are in who steps out of the Normandy at the end?

To recap:

My Shepard (this was a save transferred across all three games):

* Made the Illusive Man shoot himself (good riddance jerkface)
* Romanced Liara in ME1, when she got all weird and moody in ME2 Shep jumped ship for Tali and stayed with her in ME3
* Managed to save EVERYONE in the ending of ME2, did all DLC except for Overlord and Firewalker in my save (didn't want to replay those for my save transfer)
* Had just under 7k in War Assets with 98-99% readiness
* Saved the Quarians AND the Geth
* Cured the Genophage, got a little misty-eyed when Mordin bought it
* Did literally every side mission I in ME3 that I could including From Ashes - I missed one of the pieces of Intel on Eden Prime and never completed that one quest
* Saved Wrex
* Recruited Chakwas and Beavis and Buttheadette in engineering
* Saved Ashley -- twice, even
* Kept Jack and team in a support role
* Saved Samara and Miranda, whatever difference that may/may not make
* Destroyed the Reapers in the ending and got the "Shepard takes a breath in a pile of rubble" clip at the very end

Anyway, that's quite a list. When Shep got hit by the beam, he still had Garrus and Tali with him. When the beam hit and Shep was all torn up I started looking around just for signs of fallen squadmates. I didn't see either of them. At all. I went through the ending choices mentioned above, and when the Normandy crashed on Planet Fantasy Island, Joker stepped out -- followed by TALI (yay) and then...Javik? Huh? How did this happen? Is this by design? Never mind the obvious question I had (how did Tali get exfilled to the Normandy in time), what sort of logic chose these survivors to be shown and not others?

if you get EMS of 2900 and up - you get all three endings and squadmates  surviving/showing up at the normandy.

first one is always Joker.  second is EDI if you chose control/synthesis - your ME3 LI if you chose destroy.  third is supposed to be squadmate you most care about, but it seems to default to Javik if you have him, then Liara >Garrus> not sure.  if you didn't have ME3 LI, then its supposed to be 2 squadmates you are closest to.  if you chose destroy - your LI comes out second and Javik >etc  - third

[RiverRat]

To whom it may concern:
My Shepard made a promise to Liara, that she'd always come back to her. Maybe my Shep couldn't beat the Reapers, or save Earth... but she would always come back for Liara. Please don't make her break that promise...

Tearfully your,
RiverRat, N7 Operative Joanne Shepard.

[Evil Minion]

Omnike wrote...

Evil Minion wrote...

4n4k1n wrote...

Evil Minion wrote...

4n4k1n wrote...

I am still amazed at how some people still claim that the endings are fine and that they go well with the ideas of the mass effect universe.

I think using a fictional end to dragon Age: Origin would help showing how the endings were wrong.
.

There's no such thing as a "wrong" ending.

That implies a level of objectivity that doesn't exist.

please read the rest of my post and do not only quote small extracts from it as this completely kills the whole argumentation I was trying to make.Then maybe you can start speaking about objectivity.

There is no such thing as "objectivity" in relation to art.

The rest of your argument is irrelevant.

"Wrong" endings do not exist, only endings that you personally don't like.

Unless that ending is filled with things that go against everything already established. It's wrong.

 

There is no such thing as a "wrong" ending.

The opinion that the ending "goes against everything already established" is still just that: an opinion.

It's merely your own interpretation of the endings. It's certainly not mine. I'm not sure why people are so determined to "prove" the ME3 ending was "objectively wrong."

Are you worried that, if there are people who liked the ending, you won't get your "fix" DLC?

[Masseeffekt]

my favorite moment? seeing liara again!
all of the missions were great. except the last one of course

[Dragonfable of Dain]

Just finished the game, and absolutely loved it..... till the ending. Just wanted to add my voice to the sea of pissed off nerds.

-That is alll.

[Daradain]

With the exception of the ending, I think that Mass Effect 3 was the greatest example of video game story telling I have ever seen. The core gameplay and individual story arcs were brilliant and truly inspired, as was the dialogue between characters. Up until the last five minutes of the game, it was all I could have asked for in the ending of the trilogy.

[Kanon777]

https://docs.google....k9oMGc6MA#gid=0

This link has several polls of what people want from a new ending DLC, over 2700 members of BSN, its a VERY usefull tool for feedback.

[SarcasmRealist]

www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/

Please Bioware read this article.  It acurately describes the issues we have with the ending.  Other then the ending ME3 is a EPIC game.  Please make the last 10mins reflect the greatness of the rest of the series.

Modifié par SarcasmRealist, 18 mars 2012 - 07:13 .

[NovaM4]

When will this "DLC" Come out?
plz i want to know it so much. cuz i cant wait for more then 6 months! (or even later).

PM me if someone knows!

plz?

[Joshuaaaaa]

The game was fantastic! The ending though....yeah.

I won't go into it because just about every other fan has already.

What I would like is for some closure, I want to know what happened to everyone, my crew and the other races after the fact, and I want all of it to reflect my overall decisions throughout the series.

The replay value is gone for me, because I know that even if I build those relationships and make all the choices, down the road, it'll be "Pick Red, Green, or Blue colored explosion."

The game has always been riddled with forks in the road and that's what I loved, and then the end went linear. I almost want to play through again just to see what happens if I have enough paragon for the last dialog choice with the Illusive man and Anderson, to see if I can save Anderson. Everything after that....still needs work. I'm sure you guys had your reasons, but I would definitely love to see it re-done a bit.

[nobum62]

 i liked the game but it was too emotional. mordin dies, thane dies, legion dies, anderson dies too! it made me angry when some of my fave characters died and there was nothing i could do about it. in me2 you can save all your squadmates, but in me3 some of them automatically die.

if the indoctrination theory is true, then i want 
mordin, thane, legion, and anderson to actually be alive. i want them to only look like they died to shepard, and it was just an illusion, part of the indoctrination process.

[RedrDog 2]

HALO_Project wrote...

Redban103 wrote...

 

Arivle wrote...
Well, they better should. Because otherwise it will hurt their planned DLC sales considerably. Unless there is a DLC with better ending (I don't care if payed or not) I'm not going to buy any other ME3 DLCs and I think I'm not the only one. Not as some kind of "revolt" but it simply gives me no joy to live some "earlier" Shepard story if I "know" how horribly she ends. It simply ruins my dreams and I have no joy from playing such DLCs and living through their stories then.

 

Yeah really, if people don't even feel like replaying the game even once more after the ending spoiled it, why would they be inclined to play DLC when they know where it will lead? Having that bad ending easily killed most of the profit they would make off DLC. Fixing up an ending should be top priority since it affects if people will continue playing and buying their content and products.

Agreed. I was really looking forward to playing other Shepards to see how things would go with the differences in the choices I made in the other games leading up to. Now I just can't do it. I can't bring myself to do it again, not knowing those endings are what is waiting for me.

Couldn't agree more, the thing I was most looking forward to was playing all the games again to see what would happan with different choices, Now I can't really even force Myself to care about doing the side missions in just the 3rd one let alone the first two knowing now how it all ends. Its so sad to see this happan to Mass Effect.

Modifié par RedrDog 2, 18 mars 2012 - 07:19 .

[IntoTheDarkness]

you don't even have the game registered, Chris. Did you play it? lol

[Straw_foot]

Before any of my complaints I want one thing clear, I greatly enjoy Bioware games, and have been a fan since Neverwinter Nights. If Bioware listens to the fans and gives us more possible endings, I plan to continue pre-ordering your games with confidence. As far as Mass Effect 3 goes, amazing game, until you're beamed up to speak to the AI kid. 

Bullet Points:

The Normandy (Everything about the end with the Normandy, too much sillyness to pick one instance)
The Relays (Destroy the Galaxy for the good of the Galaxy?)
The Reapers (Don't tell us why they want to harvest us, or who created them, ever)
The Choices (Make our choices have mattered, not a,b,c)
The Replay (I repeated Mass Effect 2 more times than I'd like to admit, not one replay of ME3)
The Announcement (Answer our question directly, yes or no, with no details or deflectors)
The Epilogue (Dragon Age has a great Epilogue system)

Do this and I will be back to Shut Up And Take My Money!

Modifié par Straw_foot, 18 mars 2012 - 07:27 .

[nobum62]

btw i didn't like the ending, it was a clusterf*ck

[Ghrelt]

I loved Mass Effect 3. Great characters, variable gameplay. Multiple times my adrenaline must have spiked right through the roof. I thought it was the best of the trilogy. And then the ending. Everything from the red beam hitting Shepard doesn't make any sense. It's not that I didn't like that the ending was sad, it's that it was arbitrary and nonsensical. I could understand watching Shepard and his (her) companions die, even watching Earth burn. But I didn't see any of that.

Which is why I believe the Indoctrination Theory. It makes more sense than the ending as it stands.

[bazzag]

I can't pick. 2 many good moments. The ending wasn't the best...BUT...I don't think its the true ending. After watching on youtube theories that the ending from waking up bloody and torn to the end, is indoctrination, i'm inclined to agree, which means the true ending is still out there. Now, If The ME3 team made a slapdash rush to the ending due to leaks, so as not to spoil future dlc, then shame on the leakers. If, however, Bioware meant to do it, then bloomin good job. Think how many fans they have indoctrinated!

There are rumours that there will be a dlc named "the truth" out in April, so we'll see. Tend not to believe these things until official. Could just be trolls

[Scyldemort]

We can hope.

Modifié par Scyldemort, 18 mars 2012 - 07:24 .