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On the Mass Effect 3 endings. Yes, we are listening.
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:02
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People pretty much said everything there is to say, so i'll just add my voice to the others - This was favorite game series up untill the last 15 minutes. Please make it right.
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#6277
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:07
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HERE ARE SOME PROMISES OF BIOWARE AUTHORITIES:
"As Mass Effect 3 is the end of the planned trilogy, the developers are not constrained by the necessity of allowing the story to diverge, yet also continue into the next chapter. This will result in a story that diverges into wildly different conclusions based on the player's actions in the first two chapters." - CASEY HUDSON
"“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say
any more than that…” - MIKE GAMBLE
"Whether you’re happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an
ending. BioWare will not do a “Lost” and leave fans with more questions
than answers after finishing the game. "
BioWare Co-Founder Dr. Ray Muzyka has talked about the ending, saying that “Pretty much everything that people want to see wrapped up, or to be given answers, will be.”
"his will result in a story that diverges into wildly different conclusions based on the player's actions in the first two chapters." - CASEY HUDSON
Good lies Bioware but you can't deceive us anymore!
"As Mass Effect 3 is the end of the planned trilogy, the developers are not constrained by the necessity of allowing the story to diverge, yet also continue into the next chapter. This will result in a story that diverges into wildly different conclusions based on the player's actions in the first two chapters." - CASEY HUDSON
"“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say
any more than that…” - MIKE GAMBLE
"Whether you’re happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an
ending. BioWare will not do a “Lost” and leave fans with more questions
than answers after finishing the game. "
BioWare Co-Founder Dr. Ray Muzyka has talked about the ending, saying that “Pretty much everything that people want to see wrapped up, or to be given answers, will be.”
"his will result in a story that diverges into wildly different conclusions based on the player's actions in the first two chapters." - CASEY HUDSON
Good lies Bioware but you can't deceive us anymore!
#6278
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:08
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I had quite a few favourite moments:
Anything with Liara in it.
Thane's epic last battle
Garrus
Grunt surviving
Uniting the Geth and Quarians
Hell, I can go on and on.
Anything with Liara in it.
Thane's epic last battle
Garrus
Grunt surviving
Uniting the Geth and Quarians
Hell, I can go on and on.
#6279
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:09
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I've never played a game that made me feel so many feelings, cared so much about the characters (no really, people find me creepy about it), this game is pure gold,
BUT
the endings ... people said pretty much everything there was to say about it, I really wish there could be an ending where shepard could stay alive and be with his crew and Li.
Thank you a lot for that gigantic work you do for us, but pretty please, do something for the endings:)
BUT
the endings ... people said pretty much everything there was to say about it, I really wish there could be an ending where shepard could stay alive and be with his crew and Li.
Thank you a lot for that gigantic work you do for us, but pretty please, do something for the endings:)
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:14
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I had quite a few favourite moments:
Anything with Liara in it.
Thane's epic last battle
Garrus, no need to embellish further
Grunt surviving
Uniting the Geth and Quarians
Curing the Genophage and Mordin's death
Tuchunka
Hell, I can go on and on.
Anything with Liara in it.
Thane's epic last battle
Garrus, no need to embellish further
Grunt surviving
Uniting the Geth and Quarians
Curing the Genophage and Mordin's death
Tuchunka
Hell, I can go on and on.
#6281
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:14
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I've put considerable thought into a proposed ending, and posted a video on YouTube regarding these ideas, found here for anyone who's curious: www.youtube.com/watch
However, I'm going to summarize my ideas as briefly as I can in the hopes someone at Bioware reads them.
Three main sections here: Finale, Endings, and Epilogues.
The Finale goes the same basic way regardless. The game stays more or less the same as it is except I would move the TIM encounter forward, most likely having him fought immediately after Kei or at the end of the Earth section, undecided. Either way I would not change much about that encounter except that if you fail the paragon checks (plural) then you have to actually fight him, in the usual callback to Saren.
Next step: Remove the entire need to go into the Citadel. It would be easy to explain away the need for a ground campaign on Earth, such as dividing Reaper forces or attempting to focus the firepower of the combined allied forces better, since not all of the powers you've gathered are fleet-based (especially the Krogen). Either way, the ground battle goes as planned, the fleet battle goes as planned, the Shield fleet successfully defends the Crucible until it docks with the Citadel, and they activate it... and nothing happens.
The Crucible was a trap from the beginning. This is why each cycle keeps building it, and why it has never worked; because it was designed all along as a means of control by the Reapers. All those resources, all that effort, and all that time wasted on a machine that's designed to look like it will do something and does not. And as an added bonus, that means all the major races of the galaxy will gather wherever the Reapers want them to in order to utilize the Crucible.
In this moment of darkness, all hope is lost, Shepard is dejected, Anderson is defeatist, your squad mates question if it's all been for nothing. And in that moment of hopelessness is when Shepard rises up and says "No." S/he connects to all the fleets in orbit and rallies them, stating that what they are is something the Reapers will never understand, because they are united in cause, in purpose. I am not a particularly good writer but s/he gives a rousing speech and declares they will not go quietly into that good night, and every ship and every soldier charges the Reapers and all their forces (which are all gathered here at Earth from across the galaxy to spring their Crucible trap) with a berserker rage.
In this moment, Harbinger arrives to personally oversee the annihilation of Shepard once and for all. I will skimp on detail as this post is already longer then I'd like, but Harbinger is the actual final boss of ME3... indeed, of the entire ME series, and involves distracting him with the ground forces allied there (less if you had fewer forces in your war assets, and more if you gathered them all) as you fire on his eyes while directing the Krogen, artillery, et cetera at him. Either way, if you had the least amount of assets and did not keep people alive, you get the 'bad' ending: Harbinger defeats the ground forces singlehandedly, and then informs Shepard that the 'fleet of bugs' s/he had gathered was insufficient and had been destroyed by the Reaper forces, and thus the galaxy is reaped once more.
The 'normal' ending involves Harbinger becoming weakened, to the point of fury, and it descends on Shepard and kills him/her, only to be destroyed moments later by the combined fleet, which had just broken through the Reapers lines... just a bit too late to save Shepard and the ground forces. Shepard dies defiantly, a hero, and the Ending and Epilogue reflect this.
The 'best' ending involves their forces actually hurting Harbinger, until it reaches the point where Harbinger is buckled and its mass effect field starts to destabilize, causing it to crash down right in front of Shepard. Its multiple eyes glare at him/her and denounce them as insects who are flailing at that which they do not understand, but Shepard gives a short speech to the Reaper stating that they were small, and weak, and lived short lives, but that wasn't the point. The point was that together they had accomplished that which none had before, united they presented a front unbeatable, and bound by bonds of friendship and fellowship they had achieved the impossible. At this moment, the fleet has broken through the Reaper lines, having decimated them as they went, and waves of fire descend upon Harbinger's broken body, destroying it utterly.
In the propose ending, which I will only discuss the 'best' ending in detail, there would be an in-game-engine cutscene for each of the major squad mates, both from 3 and previous games. One with Jack asking about her life now, how her kids did on the front lines. One with Wrex, talking about the future of the Krogen, honoring the victorious dead. One with Miranda, her discussing possibilities for her future now. And so on: One for each major player, culminating with Anderson. All this time there is talk about the party they are going to, a massive celebration with every major species of the galaxy attending, celebrating the fact that they, as a whole, accomplished the impossible, and defeated the Reapers once and for all. The party itself does not need to be shown, but one scene that I feel is an absolute must is a close up shot of what appears to be the memorial on the Normandy, with the names of the honored fallen on it, and Shepard passes by it to run their hand down the names, the camera lingering on a few, reminding us of those who paid for this victory with their lives: Thane, Mordin, Legion, Pressley, and so on. Until finally the camera zooms out, and we find this isn't the memorial on the Normandy, but one on Earth... a truly massive one, stories tall and hundreds of feet wide, detailing name upon name upon name of those who died in the last battle. And it is important that the names not be organized by species or fleet, but a geth designation number be alongside a quarian's and a krogen's name be next to a terran's, and so on, such that any observant viewers could see and understand the symbolism therein.
What follows would be the Epilogue. Now this point is important, because if you do none of my other suggestions, this is the one I would put forward the most. The Epilogue would be done in the same style of Dragon Age: Origins, with a static image on the backdrop as text which is detailed to specific choices made in the game is outlined. But unlike DA:O this would be a very large, very long Epilogue, because this is the ending of the entire series, not just ME3. I would argue, strongly, that it should include every single choice and every single point of data that is saved in the save transfer from ME1 and on. All the little people, that Volus from Noveria and how he's adapting, what happened with Shiala and if her skin ever got better, EVERY little detail should be in there, starting with the small bits and culminating in long term explanations of what happened after the war ended. If this is the 'best' ending, then the Krogen are thriving and have achieved a cultural renaissance, and have joined the galactic community. The salarians have deposed the dalatress and founded a new organization dedicated to using their considerable intellect to help other species openly, rather then the clandestine operations of the past. The quarians, with the geth's help, have successfully settled their homeworld and the geth, with the blessings of the quarians and the humans, have joined the galactic community as well, sharing their ideas equally. And so on and so forth, really cover the big decisions. Obviously there are variations possible here: If one for example saved the quarians by destroying the geth, the geth have no place in the Epilogue except a footnote and the quarians do not do nearly as well on their homeworld, ending up with them having to resettle elsewhere. And if the krogens were not handled properly and Wrex is not in charge, they end up descending back into their old ways and have to be put down again. Things like that.
At the very, very end of the Epilogue there should be a truly massive page or three devoted to Shepard and what happened with their life. This would be the most variable section, depending on casual dialogue choices, who you romanced (if anyone), paragon or renegade, and the like. To use a direct example, in my Shepard's ending she would have settled down with Liara and had the 'little blue children' they always wanted, took a ship for the family and headed off into space to get lost in the peace they'd created.
I apologize for the length of the post but I summarized as best as I could.
However, I'm going to summarize my ideas as briefly as I can in the hopes someone at Bioware reads them.
Three main sections here: Finale, Endings, and Epilogues.
The Finale goes the same basic way regardless. The game stays more or less the same as it is except I would move the TIM encounter forward, most likely having him fought immediately after Kei or at the end of the Earth section, undecided. Either way I would not change much about that encounter except that if you fail the paragon checks (plural) then you have to actually fight him, in the usual callback to Saren.
Next step: Remove the entire need to go into the Citadel. It would be easy to explain away the need for a ground campaign on Earth, such as dividing Reaper forces or attempting to focus the firepower of the combined allied forces better, since not all of the powers you've gathered are fleet-based (especially the Krogen). Either way, the ground battle goes as planned, the fleet battle goes as planned, the Shield fleet successfully defends the Crucible until it docks with the Citadel, and they activate it... and nothing happens.
The Crucible was a trap from the beginning. This is why each cycle keeps building it, and why it has never worked; because it was designed all along as a means of control by the Reapers. All those resources, all that effort, and all that time wasted on a machine that's designed to look like it will do something and does not. And as an added bonus, that means all the major races of the galaxy will gather wherever the Reapers want them to in order to utilize the Crucible.
In this moment of darkness, all hope is lost, Shepard is dejected, Anderson is defeatist, your squad mates question if it's all been for nothing. And in that moment of hopelessness is when Shepard rises up and says "No." S/he connects to all the fleets in orbit and rallies them, stating that what they are is something the Reapers will never understand, because they are united in cause, in purpose. I am not a particularly good writer but s/he gives a rousing speech and declares they will not go quietly into that good night, and every ship and every soldier charges the Reapers and all their forces (which are all gathered here at Earth from across the galaxy to spring their Crucible trap) with a berserker rage.
In this moment, Harbinger arrives to personally oversee the annihilation of Shepard once and for all. I will skimp on detail as this post is already longer then I'd like, but Harbinger is the actual final boss of ME3... indeed, of the entire ME series, and involves distracting him with the ground forces allied there (less if you had fewer forces in your war assets, and more if you gathered them all) as you fire on his eyes while directing the Krogen, artillery, et cetera at him. Either way, if you had the least amount of assets and did not keep people alive, you get the 'bad' ending: Harbinger defeats the ground forces singlehandedly, and then informs Shepard that the 'fleet of bugs' s/he had gathered was insufficient and had been destroyed by the Reaper forces, and thus the galaxy is reaped once more.
The 'normal' ending involves Harbinger becoming weakened, to the point of fury, and it descends on Shepard and kills him/her, only to be destroyed moments later by the combined fleet, which had just broken through the Reapers lines... just a bit too late to save Shepard and the ground forces. Shepard dies defiantly, a hero, and the Ending and Epilogue reflect this.
The 'best' ending involves their forces actually hurting Harbinger, until it reaches the point where Harbinger is buckled and its mass effect field starts to destabilize, causing it to crash down right in front of Shepard. Its multiple eyes glare at him/her and denounce them as insects who are flailing at that which they do not understand, but Shepard gives a short speech to the Reaper stating that they were small, and weak, and lived short lives, but that wasn't the point. The point was that together they had accomplished that which none had before, united they presented a front unbeatable, and bound by bonds of friendship and fellowship they had achieved the impossible. At this moment, the fleet has broken through the Reaper lines, having decimated them as they went, and waves of fire descend upon Harbinger's broken body, destroying it utterly.
In the propose ending, which I will only discuss the 'best' ending in detail, there would be an in-game-engine cutscene for each of the major squad mates, both from 3 and previous games. One with Jack asking about her life now, how her kids did on the front lines. One with Wrex, talking about the future of the Krogen, honoring the victorious dead. One with Miranda, her discussing possibilities for her future now. And so on: One for each major player, culminating with Anderson. All this time there is talk about the party they are going to, a massive celebration with every major species of the galaxy attending, celebrating the fact that they, as a whole, accomplished the impossible, and defeated the Reapers once and for all. The party itself does not need to be shown, but one scene that I feel is an absolute must is a close up shot of what appears to be the memorial on the Normandy, with the names of the honored fallen on it, and Shepard passes by it to run their hand down the names, the camera lingering on a few, reminding us of those who paid for this victory with their lives: Thane, Mordin, Legion, Pressley, and so on. Until finally the camera zooms out, and we find this isn't the memorial on the Normandy, but one on Earth... a truly massive one, stories tall and hundreds of feet wide, detailing name upon name upon name of those who died in the last battle. And it is important that the names not be organized by species or fleet, but a geth designation number be alongside a quarian's and a krogen's name be next to a terran's, and so on, such that any observant viewers could see and understand the symbolism therein.
What follows would be the Epilogue. Now this point is important, because if you do none of my other suggestions, this is the one I would put forward the most. The Epilogue would be done in the same style of Dragon Age: Origins, with a static image on the backdrop as text which is detailed to specific choices made in the game is outlined. But unlike DA:O this would be a very large, very long Epilogue, because this is the ending of the entire series, not just ME3. I would argue, strongly, that it should include every single choice and every single point of data that is saved in the save transfer from ME1 and on. All the little people, that Volus from Noveria and how he's adapting, what happened with Shiala and if her skin ever got better, EVERY little detail should be in there, starting with the small bits and culminating in long term explanations of what happened after the war ended. If this is the 'best' ending, then the Krogen are thriving and have achieved a cultural renaissance, and have joined the galactic community. The salarians have deposed the dalatress and founded a new organization dedicated to using their considerable intellect to help other species openly, rather then the clandestine operations of the past. The quarians, with the geth's help, have successfully settled their homeworld and the geth, with the blessings of the quarians and the humans, have joined the galactic community as well, sharing their ideas equally. And so on and so forth, really cover the big decisions. Obviously there are variations possible here: If one for example saved the quarians by destroying the geth, the geth have no place in the Epilogue except a footnote and the quarians do not do nearly as well on their homeworld, ending up with them having to resettle elsewhere. And if the krogens were not handled properly and Wrex is not in charge, they end up descending back into their old ways and have to be put down again. Things like that.
At the very, very end of the Epilogue there should be a truly massive page or three devoted to Shepard and what happened with their life. This would be the most variable section, depending on casual dialogue choices, who you romanced (if anyone), paragon or renegade, and the like. To use a direct example, in my Shepard's ending she would have settled down with Liara and had the 'little blue children' they always wanted, took a ship for the family and headed off into space to get lost in the peace they'd created.
I apologize for the length of the post but I summarized as best as I could.
#6282
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:16
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The best game serie,s of all time for me. till the ending that is 
Hope you guys can put the smile back on my face, because now.
i am just sad
Hope you guys can put the smile back on my face, because now.
i am just sad
#6283
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:16
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Already posted before, but thanks for listening Bioware.
#6284
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:17
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#6285
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:17
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While I am slightly encouraged that the ending may be extended to give proper closure I have but one request:
Bioware, I beg you, from one writer to another. Do not, under any circumstance, give in to the Indoctrination theories that many are using insane stretches of logic in order to make it true.
It makes poor sense, both business wise and creatively speaking.
In fact, having an indoctrination ending would be even worse than the three we got now. Yes, it's that bad. BAD END is BAD! Just say no to BAD END.
And speaking for myself, I want my ending with old age, retirement, and little blue children.
Bioware, I beg you, from one writer to another. Do not, under any circumstance, give in to the Indoctrination theories that many are using insane stretches of logic in order to make it true.
It makes poor sense, both business wise and creatively speaking.
In fact, having an indoctrination ending would be even worse than the three we got now. Yes, it's that bad. BAD END is BAD! Just say no to BAD END.
And speaking for myself, I want my ending with old age, retirement, and little blue children.
#6286
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:19
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IliyaMoroumetz wrote...
While I am slightly encouraged that the ending may be extended to give proper closure I have but one request:
Bioware, I beg you, from one writer to another. Do not, under any circumstance, give in to the Indoctrination theories that many are using insane stretches of logic in order to make it true.
It makes poor sense, both business wise and creatively speaking.
In fact, having an indoctrination ending would be even worse than the three we got now. Yes, it's that bad. BAD END is BAD! Just say no to BAD END.
And speaking for myself, I want my ending with old age, retirement, and little blue children.
And how would you get that with the three current endings? I'm not saying Indoc is for sure, but the current endings leave none of that possible.
#6287
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:21
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t_i_e_ wrote...
We were promised 16 different endings. We didn't get that. We got one messed up ending with a few different snips of video and three different colours. We were lied to. Also all the advertisements showing a massive battle on earth would have someone think they'd spend more then an hour or two there, but nope it just comes to a fast bad ending.
Bioware has three choices:
1) Offer free (and good) DLC to fix their product and fulfill their promises. This will restore my faith (and hopefully the fanbase's) in Bioware. I will continue to buy Bioware products.
2) Offer paid for DLC to fix the ending. I will buy it and will even pay more the better it is. My faith in Bioware will increase slightly. I might buy another Bioware product in the future but it will be based on fan reaction not paid of journalists. Might borrow games from a friend instead.
3) Do nothing OR offer bad/short DLC (free or not). Lose all faith in Bioware and promise I will never buy another one of their products. I will only 'borrow' them from a friend regardless of how good the product is. I would also support any class action lawsuit regarding the lies and misleading advertisement. I have these rights as a consumer.
PS- Stop stalling Bioware we want some statements. What is happening behind closed doors? Was this planned? Did you actually think you released a quality ending for a game that is all about choice?
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THIS!
#6288
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:21
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Well, I loved the game, including the endings. Can't say I agree with the hysteria at all.
There's plenty of science-fiction with endings that ambiguous, there's certainly nothing wrong with that. It's up to us to ponder the meaning and consequences of each decision, and that also is not unusual in literature. Not everything needs to be spoonfed to the players.
And I certainly like that there is no super-happy ending. There is value in having a bittersweet ending. Considering the entire theme of ME3 is heroic sacrifice, it'd be poor writing if a fully happy ending was even possible.
Mind you, I'd have enjoyed more time to discuss things with the Catalyst, and distinct cutscenes for each ending, but overall I am satisfied. The entire endgame is great, from the strike against Cerberus to the final cutscene. London, the FOB, and the final talk between Shepard and Anderson, stand out as excellent moments in the trilogy.
Thank you for the excellent work, Bioware.
Itkovian
There's plenty of science-fiction with endings that ambiguous, there's certainly nothing wrong with that. It's up to us to ponder the meaning and consequences of each decision, and that also is not unusual in literature. Not everything needs to be spoonfed to the players.
And I certainly like that there is no super-happy ending. There is value in having a bittersweet ending. Considering the entire theme of ME3 is heroic sacrifice, it'd be poor writing if a fully happy ending was even possible.
Mind you, I'd have enjoyed more time to discuss things with the Catalyst, and distinct cutscenes for each ending, but overall I am satisfied. The entire endgame is great, from the strike against Cerberus to the final cutscene. London, the FOB, and the final talk between Shepard and Anderson, stand out as excellent moments in the trilogy.
Thank you for the excellent work, Bioware.
Itkovian
#6289
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:21
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Bioware i really hope that the atempted indoctrination of shepard by harbinger is true, because not only would it tie in with the earlier games. It would also give Harbinger the bigger role as antagonist that you looked like you set him up to be in ME2, because i felt that you never saw him in ME3 till the very end. Also it add to the drama that shepard who has always been strong willed against the reapers in the first two games, suddenly starting to question himself and you see cracks in his resolve due to losing friends and allies in ME3 that harbinger has finally had the chance to corrupt him. Everyone loves a hero but one that falters and yet picks himself back up to fight again. That is where the drama lies. After all he is only human.
#6290
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:23
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Omnike wrote...
And how would you get that with the three current endings? I'm not saying Indoc is for sure, but the current endings leave none of that possible.
Don't know, don't care. I just want it.
And I don't want the Indoctrination ending.
It's poor writing and a terrible idea.
Modifié par IliyaMoroumetz, 18 mars 2012 - 11:29 .
#6291
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:24
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If you're truly "listening" please Bioware, respond to the issues in this video..
I've said it many, many times. Perfect game. Crappy ending.
I've said it many, many times. Perfect game. Crappy ending.
#6292
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:26
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Itkovian wrote...
Well, I loved the game, including the endings. Can't say I agree with the hysteria at all.
There's plenty of science-fiction with endings that ambiguous, there's certainly nothing wrong with that. It's up to us to ponder the meaning and consequences of each decision, and that also is not unusual in literature. Not everything needs to be spoonfed to the players.
And I certainly like that there is no super-happy ending. There is value in having a bittersweet ending. Considering the entire theme of ME3 is heroic sacrifice, it'd be poor writing if a fully happy ending was even possible.
Mind you, I'd have enjoyed more time to discuss things with the Catalyst, and distinct cutscenes for each ending, but overall I am satisfied. The entire endgame is great, from the strike against Cerberus to the final cutscene. London, the FOB, and the final talk between Shepard and Anderson, stand out as excellent moments in the trilogy.
Thank you for the excellent work, Bioware.
Itkovian
It was not bitter-sweet. It was bitter with a side of death. Nothing good came of anything. All of your choice gone. I would have sat back and watched my fleet fight the reapers over putting the galaxy in a worst state.
#6293
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:28
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Just adding my voice to the others. Really hope that after all this backlash the Mass Effect 3 team really is listening. The entire series was phenomenal, but it ended on a low note that really didn't make a lot of sense. Fortunatly, unlike most other forms of media, BioWare really does have an opportunity to make this right in the future. I hope BioWare does the right thing.
#6294
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:30
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Akael_Bayn wrote...
Quick, deflect the topic to something positive!
...yeah, we're not stupid, you know?
Don't give us this "We don't want to spoil things for people who aren't done" BS.
How about a straight answer about where all the many and varied endings we were promised went?
“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets?”
“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.”
“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."
“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.”
EDIT/UPDATE: I've gotten lots of "virtual high fives" from various users for putting this up on the first page of the thread, and I just want you guys to know that I appreciate that you appreciate this post! That said, though, I want to let everyone know after this edit, I'm not going to be continuing to log back in and give personal responses to messages. The recent "buy DLC or GTFO" message was recieved loud and clear, and as I stated elsewhere: I'm GTFO-ing. This game, forum, and the related companies are all a footnote in history for me. Again, I appreciate the support, and I don't mean to ignore your positive messages, but I've got other things to spend my time on.
Couldn't of said it better.
I think the developers fell into a plot hole someplace. I mean pot hole.
#6295
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:31
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I'm sure all I want to say has been said already, so I'll start with thanking whoever at Bioware is tasked with reading all 250+ pages of comments here. I hope you exist, and thank you! I'll try to be brief.
First, the "sad" or "bittersweet" nature of the ending is NOT the problem. I would have been perfectly happy if, for instance, there was a montage of all of Shepard's squadmembers/crewmen/acquaintances nobly (or futility!) sacrificing their lives in the battle, set to heartrending music. Something like that would be beautiful.
As I see it, the main problem with the ending is the radical shift in style and mode. As someone said, it's as if 98% of the game was written by Tolkien and 2% by Kafka. The shift is unexpected and unwelcome. You folks are good--really good--as the styles of storytelling that make up the vast majority of Mass Effect, but apparently no good at trying to be philosophical and profound. Evaluating the ending on its own terms is generous, since it terms are radically different than the rest of the series, but even evaluated on its own terms the ending is... amateurish. I think the writer thought he was being deep, but it comes off like a freshman philosophy major spouting off silliness at 2AM in the dorm room.
Less epic problems: no real choice in the last 10 minuets, no visible effect at all in the last 10 minuets of *any* prior choices. Minimal war asset visibility. The "reusing of art assets" is really just insulting. Was this literally the last thing on the schedule, and cut for time?
I loved--loved!--the Mass Effect series as a whole, and 98% of ME3. But the ending, man, the ending. I will think long and hard before buying anything else from Bioware/EA.
In closing, I'll link some articles that I hope you've already seen.
http://calitreview.com/24673
http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/
First, the "sad" or "bittersweet" nature of the ending is NOT the problem. I would have been perfectly happy if, for instance, there was a montage of all of Shepard's squadmembers/crewmen/acquaintances nobly (or futility!) sacrificing their lives in the battle, set to heartrending music. Something like that would be beautiful.
As I see it, the main problem with the ending is the radical shift in style and mode. As someone said, it's as if 98% of the game was written by Tolkien and 2% by Kafka. The shift is unexpected and unwelcome. You folks are good--really good--as the styles of storytelling that make up the vast majority of Mass Effect, but apparently no good at trying to be philosophical and profound. Evaluating the ending on its own terms is generous, since it terms are radically different than the rest of the series, but even evaluated on its own terms the ending is... amateurish. I think the writer thought he was being deep, but it comes off like a freshman philosophy major spouting off silliness at 2AM in the dorm room.
Less epic problems: no real choice in the last 10 minuets, no visible effect at all in the last 10 minuets of *any* prior choices. Minimal war asset visibility. The "reusing of art assets" is really just insulting. Was this literally the last thing on the schedule, and cut for time?
I loved--loved!--the Mass Effect series as a whole, and 98% of ME3. But the ending, man, the ending. I will think long and hard before buying anything else from Bioware/EA.
In closing, I'll link some articles that I hope you've already seen.
http://calitreview.com/24673
http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/
Modifié par Nonnormalizable, 18 mars 2012 - 11:32 .
#6296
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:33
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Just wanted to add my voice to this. BioWare, if you are truly listening then there are two things you need to do.
1. New, better ending, that actually makes sense.
and 2. Don't charge us for it. We have already sunk enough money into this franchise, we deserve a logical ending, an ending that gives us closure and ties in properly with Mass Effect lore. The future of your fanbase depends on this. Don't let us down.
1. New, better ending, that actually makes sense.
and 2. Don't charge us for it. We have already sunk enough money into this franchise, we deserve a logical ending, an ending that gives us closure and ties in properly with Mass Effect lore. The future of your fanbase depends on this. Don't let us down.
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:33
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IliyaMoroumetz wrote...
While I am slightly encouraged that the ending may be extended to give proper closure I have but one request:
Bioware, I beg you, from one writer to another. Do not, under any circumstance, give in to the Indoctrination theories that many are using insane stretches of logic in order to make it true.
It makes poor sense, both business wise and creatively speaking.
In fact, having an indoctrination ending would be even worse than the three we got now. Yes, it's that bad. BAD END is BAD! Just say no to BAD END.
And speaking for myself, I want my ending with old age, retirement, and little blue children.
I agree, I think the indoctrination ending is a bit silly myself.
I don't want to replace these three endings. I want more than three. I mean a few people are actually fine with these three endings, so let them have them. But I'd like a few more, ranging from total destruction of the sentient species to the 'peace and happiness' ending.
edit: Actually, let me correct that. I don't want to see a 'total defeat' ending because it's not needed; it's what is implied whenever Shepard dies in combat.
What I'd like to see isa breadth of endings from 'Pyrrhic Victory' to 'Total Victory'. In the former, just about everyone dies including Shepard, and Earth is decimated along with the entire combined forces, but the Reapers are barely stopped. In the latter, the sentient's fantastic military strength really push the Reapers hard, and Shepard and just about all his squad emerge victorious and alive, and the allies suffer 'acceptable' losses, if you can call it that.
The 'Total Victory' scenario might seem a bit cheesy, but you know..enough people have died already. Just make it difficult to obtain (I think I had something like 8000 ME after my 100% readiness from multiplayer was accounted for).
Modifié par N-Seven, 18 mars 2012 - 11:45 .
#6298
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:35
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Debi-Tage wrote...
Please take this new poll:
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/552764
Cannot complete poll.
Does not include option for "NONE" in "After completing game, which of these products have you or do you intend to purchase?" question.
Since ME3's ending ruined any chance of my spending so much as one single penny on additional ME product until delivery or proper end to game, I cannot in good conscience claim that I intend to purchase ANY of the products on the list, yet the poll creator did not include a "NONE" option, while mandating that I give SOME answer in order to complete question. Poor poll design, that.
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:37
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IliyaMoroumetz wrote...
While I am slightly encouraged that the ending may be extended to give proper closure I have but one request:
Bioware, I beg you, from one writer to another. Do not, under any circumstance, give in to the Indoctrination theories that many are using insane stretches of logic in order to make it true.
It makes poor sense, both business wise and creatively speaking.
In fact, having an indoctrination ending would be even worse than the three we got now. Yes, it's that bad. BAD END is BAD! Just say no to BAD END.
And speaking for myself, I want my ending with old age, retirement, and little blue children.
I can only assume that you are following the same premise that led to the RGB endings - only one outcome rendered in three different colors, that is, you are stating that you see the indoctrination theory leading only to one single outcome: Shepard's Indoctrination.
If you look closely, you will find out that Shepard's fight against the Reapers Indoctrination takes the form of the scene with the Space Child, and that fight has two possible outcomes, Indoctrination (Control and Synthesis) and Escape from the Indoctrination Trap (Destroy), which would allow to seamlessly and ellegantly proceed to the true ending, whatever that would be. Stating that such solution is bad writing compared to the ending Bioware devised, is an insult to the concept of what is writing...
