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[GIEV DIZ PEEPHOLE AEYR]

oh........AND TALI BEING DRUNK IS ADORABLE!!!!!

[Fred_MacManus]

GIEV DIZ PEEPHOLE AEYR wrote...

oh........AND TALI BEING DRUNK IS ADORABLE!!!!!

E...mergency....In..duction....Port

[Apollo-XL5]

N-Seven wrote...

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

While I am slightly encouraged that the ending may be extended to give proper closure I have but one request:

Bioware, I beg you, from one writer to another. Do not, under any circumstance, give in to the Indoctrination theories that many are using insane stretches of logic in order to make it true.

It makes poor sense, both business wise and creatively speaking.

In fact, having an indoctrination ending would be even worse than the three we got now. Yes, it's that bad. BAD END is BAD! Just say no to BAD END.

And speaking for myself, I want my ending with old age, retirement, and little blue children.

The indoctrination theory isn;t an ending, i feel that it is part of the ending and bioware just couldnt finish it fully in time for the march release, remember they already put the game back once and then they hsaad the story leak. Plus due the wonder of the internet, releasing the game in different regions on different dates means that fans would have spoilers on the web before most people have played it(like say three days after release) . So now they can release the rest of the ending to all reigons simultaneously and noone will have the ending spoilt.

I agree, I think the indoctrination ending is a bit silly myself.

I don't want to replace these three endings.  I want more than three.  I mean a few people are actually fine with these three endings, so let them have them.  But I'd like a few more, ranging from total destruction of the sentient species to the 'peace and happiness' ending.

[Chaoszerg]

Thanks Bioware for letting me down with that epic fail of a ending. I also notice that you are trying to lie to us and yourself by pretending the majority or mass effect 3 players are happy with how it ended and that all of us that are upset are the minority.

I am sure next you will try and distract us with crappy dlc content, maybe going to give us a orange explosion.

Also I do not wish to tell you my favourite parts of the game as we both know that is just a distraction to try and turn the conversation away from how much a fail the ending was.

[jeweledleah]

maideltq wrote...

Some humor...

genius

[shephard987]

http://www.inenterta...t-3-conclusion/

New press on the situation.

Hold the Line

[IliyaMoroumetz]

Neural73 wrote...

I can only assume that you are following the same premise that led to the RGB endings - only one outcome rendered in three different colors, that is, you are stating that you see the indoctrination theory leading only to one single outcome: Shepard's Indoctrination. 

If you look closely, you will find out that Shepard's fight against the Reapers Indoctrination takes the form of the scene with the Space Child, and that fight has two possible outcomes, Indoctrination (Control and Synthesis) and Escape from the Indoctrination Trap (Destroy), which would allow to seamlessly and ellegantly proceed to the true ending, whatever that would be. Stating that such solution is bad writing compared to the ending Bioware devised, is an insult to the concept of what is writing...

Look closely?  At what?  The ten minute long exposition that came out of absolutely nowhere and grinded the game to a screeching halt that was spouting metaphysical garbage about cycles of destruction that's been disproven in the form of Quarian Friendly Geth and EDI?

And everyone that's spouts this nonsense is insinuating that to have two bad endings and one good ending is more acceptable?  And no, until I see it for myself, the indoctrination ending is even worse than the endings we already have and in the realm of conspiracy theory.

I believe this is what they call 'missing the forest for the trees'.

Modifié par IliyaMoroumetz, 18 mars 2012 - 11:50 .

[XiaShou]

http://pastebin.com/ivPggzTF
honestly.. that just made my day.. thank you for sharing, thats an ending id like 2 see.
dlc or not, paid or free, this is how things should have played out.
thats what i expected from bioware...

[Brother Kosh]

More than likely this has already been posted but I think it deserves another mention;

http://social.biowar.../index/10203079

Pretty much spot on.

[Jackal7713]

Omnike wrote...

Itkovian wrote...

Well, I loved the game, including the endings. Can't say I agree with the hysteria at all.

There's plenty of science-fiction with endings that ambiguous, there's certainly nothing wrong with that. It's up to us to ponder the meaning and consequences of each decision, and that also is not unusual in literature. Not everything needs to be spoonfed to the players.

And I certainly like that there is no super-happy ending. There is value in having a bittersweet ending. Considering the entire theme of ME3 is heroic sacrifice, it'd be poor writing if a fully happy ending was even possible.

Mind you, I'd have enjoyed more time to discuss things with the Catalyst, and distinct cutscenes for each ending, but overall I am satisfied. The entire endgame is great, from the strike against Cerberus to the final cutscene. London, the FOB, and the final talk between Shepard and Anderson, stand out as excellent moments in the trilogy.

Thank you for the excellent work, Bioware.

Itkovian

It was not bitter-sweet. It was bitter with a side of death. Nothing good came of anything. All of your choice gone. I would have sat back and watched my fleet fight the reapers over putting the galaxy in a worst state.

Yea its this is the worst ending I have ever seen in a video game. The endings are so bad that I don't even want to play it again on NG+. After three games of beating the odds, Shepard  and everyone else dies. This is with maxed War Assets. Why bother playing the other two titles to build a new shepard? He'll die anyways and everyone with him. The LI is pointless, because why even having one when you'll end up dead anyways. Its not bitter sweet or grimdark, its just a lame everyone ends up dead ending. So no matter what you do the reapers win.  At least make an ending where all that work for pargon or LI ending means something. Keep good on your promises of choices. If not, well this will be my last Bioware game.  I won't support a company that lies to get customer's  money.

Modifié par Jackal7713, 18 mars 2012 - 11:59 .

[Jarcander]

Final charge, near-incineration by a Reaper, crawling into the beam against all odds, then after some time has passed, waking up in the core of the citadel with haunting, body filled corridors. Final confrontation and confirmation that TIM is indeed indoctrinated. I got to shoot him, very satisfactory. Afterwards sitting down with Anderson and (finally!) enjoying all our efforts coming into being with the crusible. Blood loss and trauma causes me to loose consciousness and I end up meeting an image of the Reapers who presents the choise I wanted to make as my Shepard all along... I went to end the Reaper manace with a smile on my face, thinking of the blue.

Yes, this is exactly what I wanted and it is my favourite "moment" of the game.

Modifié par Jarcander, 18 mars 2012 - 11:54 .

[krogstor]

Fred_MacManus wrote...

t_i_e_ wrote...

We were promised 16 different endings. We didn't get that. We got one messed up ending with a few different snips of video and three different colours. We were lied to. Also all the advertisements showing a massive battle on earth would have someone think they'd spend more then an hour or two there, but nope it just comes to a fast bad ending.

Bioware has three choices:

1) Offer free (and good) DLC to fix their product and fulfill their promises. This will restore my faith (and hopefully the fanbase's) in Bioware. I will continue to buy Bioware products.

2) Offer paid for DLC to fix the ending. I will buy it and will even pay more the better it is. My faith in Bioware will increase slightly. I might buy another Bioware product in the future but it will be based on fan reaction not paid of journalists. Might borrow games from a friend instead.

3) Do nothing OR offer bad/short DLC (free or not). Lose all faith in Bioware and promise I will never buy another one of their products. I will only 'borrow' them from a friend regardless of how good the product is. I would also support any class action lawsuit regarding the lies and misleading advertisement. I have these rights as a consumer.

PS- Stop stalling Bioware we want some statements. What is happening behind closed doors? Was this planned? Did you actually think you released a quality ending for a game that is all about choice?

^^^^^^
THIS!

^^^^^^

Double THIS!

[Hitokiri83]

I dont want a happy ending, it does not fit into such a huge war

Im ok if shepard sacrifice but not okay with all this plot holes, races stuck in our system because mass relays are destroy, no logic in reapers origin and their cycle, Shep breathing in a vacuum, crew member teleportation to normandy and many other thing that all of you post here

I am for the theory of indoctrination that Shep resist harbinger and wakes up in the ruins of London, someone finds him, puts on his feet and continue on the mission. He can die, may be sacrifices, bittersweet ending, but please make this with some more options from preavious games and more logical to everyone

sorry for spelling mistakes, but on the Polish social everyone is pissed off at the ending BioWare put in ME3

Modifié par Hitokiri83, 19 mars 2012 - 12:00 .

[Jarcander]

Jackal7713 wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Itkovian wrote...

Well, I loved the game, including the endings. Can't say I agree with the hysteria at all.

There's plenty of science-fiction with endings that ambiguous, there's certainly nothing wrong with that. It's up to us to ponder the meaning and consequences of each decision, and that also is not unusual in literature. Not everything needs to be spoonfed to the players.

And I certainly like that there is no super-happy ending. There is value in having a bittersweet ending. Considering the entire theme of ME3 is heroic sacrifice, it'd be poor writing if a fully happy ending was even possible.

Mind you, I'd have enjoyed more time to discuss things with the Catalyst, and distinct cutscenes for each ending, but overall I am satisfied. The entire endgame is great, from the strike against Cerberus to the final cutscene. London, the FOB, and the final talk between Shepard and Anderson, stand out as excellent moments in the trilogy.

Thank you for the excellent work, Bioware.

Itkovian

It was not bitter-sweet. It was bitter with a side of death. Nothing good came of anything. All of your choice gone. I would have sat back and watched my fleet fight the reapers over putting the galaxy in a worst state.

Yea its this is the worst ending I have ever seen in a video game. After three games of beating the odds, Shepard  and everyone else dies. This is with maxed War Assets. Why bother playing the other two titles to build a new shepard? He'll die anyways and everyone with him. The LI is pointless, because why even having one when you'll end up dead anyways. Its not bitter sweet or grimdark, its just a lame everyone ends up dead ending. So no matter what you do the reapers win.  At least make an ending where all that work for pargon or LI ending means something. Keep good on your promises of choices. If not, well this will be my last Bioware game.  I won't support a company that lies to get customer's  money.

Some of you people are such childs.

For the record, they do not own you anything. It's their imagination and talent that brought us the Mass Effect series and everyone has had a lot of fun with the series. It is their right to end the trilogy as they see fit.

Should they with the please the fans and make DLC alternative endings, it would another sign that they care for their customers, but they are not required to provide you with everything you want.

Modifié par Jarcander, 19 mars 2012 - 12:04 .

[Neural73]

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

Neural73 wrote...

I can only assume that you are following the same premise that led to the RGB endings - only one outcome rendered in three different colors, that is, you are stating that you see the indoctrination theory leading only to one single outcome: Shepard's Indoctrination. 

If you look closely, you will find out that Shepard's fight against the Reapers Indoctrination takes the form of the scene with the Space Child, and that fight has two possible outcomes, Indoctrination (Control and Synthesis) and Escape from the Indoctrination Trap (Destroy), which would allow to seamlessly and ellegantly proceed to the true ending, whatever that would be. Stating that such solution is bad writing compared to the ending Bioware devised, is an insult to the concept of what is writing...

Look closely?  At what?  The ten minute long exposition that came out of absolutely nowhere and grinded the game to a screeching halt that was spouting metaphysical garbage about cycles of destruction that's been disproven in the form of Quarian Friendly Geth and EDI?

And everyone that's spouts this nonsense is insinuating that to have two bad endings and one good ending is more acceptable?  And no, until I see it for myself, the indoctrination ending is even worse than the endings we already have and in the realm of conspiracy theory.

I believe this is what they call 'missing the forest for the trees'.

I also think that the arguments presented in the auto dialogue ridden conversation of Shepard with the AI child are deeply flawed and i totally agree with you in the point that those bogus arguments are destroyed by the choices that led to the reconcilliation of the Geth with the Quarian and EDI herself.

But even so, enclosing that scene in the context of an oneiric indoctrination setting, a mindgame, embodies a smoother transition to the integration of a solution to the colossal mistake Bioware made with the ending.

[Jackal7713]

Hitokiri83 wrote...

I dont want a happy ending, it does not fit into such a huge war

Im ok if shepard sacrifice but not okay with all this plot holes, races stuck in our system because mass relays are destroy, no logic in reapers origin and their cycle, Shep breathing in a vacuum, crew member teleportation to normandy and many other thing that all of you post here

I am for the theory of indoctrination that Shep resist harbinger and wakes up in the ruins of London, someone finds him, puts on his feet and continue on the mission. He can die, may be sacrifices, bittersweet ending, but please make this with some more options from preavious games and more logical to everyone

sorry for spelling mistakes, but on the Polish social everyone is pissed off at the ending BioWare put in ME3

If they add ending via DLC then you can choose not to buy it. But don't wreck the games ME, ME 2, ME3 for other people who want a true choice thats either good or bad. Would that change really bother you? If I was in your shoes, I would just choose the Shepard dies ending and let others have the choices they want. That was the whole point of ME 1-3.

[zip09]

The assault on the Cerberus home base. Fighting Kai Leng and stabbing him saying it was for Thane/Miranda. I loved the fact you did kill of some characters adding "not everyone is gonna make it" Legion's death was sad for me because he was one of the most used in my squad in ME2. Samara, Garrus, Legion, and Zaeed. The only bad thing is the lack of romance options and some of the scenes do suck. And the ending(s). Also I wanna know when the last dialogue wheel pops up for when talking to the Illusive Man on the Citadel. Is the paragon option bugged out? Because I have my paragon maxed or what it looks like maxed and its blocked out. I also saw in videos the same thing happens. Just curious.

[SirCrunchy]

This gentleman wrote a 19 page essay titled: "A Logical Breakdown of Why the Mass Effect 3 Ending Makes No Sense".

It's a fantastic read, and all his points are logical. I want the folks at Bioware to read it.

docs.google.com/document/d/1QT4IUepvrU1pfv_B95oQj0H84DlCTUmzQ_uQh1voTUs/preview

Modifié par SirCrunchy, 19 mars 2012 - 12:09 .

[tookrunk1991]

this makes more sense then that nonsense of an ending... joker would never run!

[IliyaMoroumetz]

Neural73 wrote...

I also think that the arguments presented in the auto dialogue ridden conversation of Shepard with the AI child are deeply flawed and i totally agree with you in the point that those bogus arguments are destroyed by the choices that led to the reconcilliation of the Geth with the Quarian and EDI herself.

But even so, enclosing that scene in the context of an oneiric indoctrination setting, a mindgame, embodies a smoother transition to the integration of a solution to the colossal mistake Bioware made with the ending.

If that's the case, then those of us who chose the green, in order to spare the Geth and EDI, are screwed. 

In all honesty, I'd rather not have that.

[Apollo-XL5]

Watch the nightmares that shepard has and then read the indoctrination codex page.

[Exiledone1]

Okay, can someone explain something to me. I was just reading through a super through Google Doc I found dealing with the ending of Mass Effect 3 and the most popular theory seems to be indoctrination. Now, after reading the doc I can completely get aboard with that EXCEPT for 3 main points.

Maybe you can explain it to me .

1. If this was all just in shep head from the point when he was knocked out by the blast than how does Shep making one of three choices, mine was destroying the reapers actually cause the reapers to be destroyed?

Think about it, If he is just laying on the ground and this is something going on inside his mind than how does whatever he decide in his mind actually STOP THE REAPERS! I could see it resulting in him just overcoming the indoctrination process, but how does it result in him stopping the reapers. I don't think anyone has even mentioned that!

2. If this was indoctrination than once again, that means all of this is in Shep mind. So why would the mass effect relays blow up and my crew be running from the blast. Remember, if it is happening in my mind how can my mind blow up the mass relays in real life. Super odd.

3. How did my crew on the ground, which were running with me down to the teleport beam magically end up on the Normandy. I took Tali and Javik and yet they are show coming out of the ship at the end.

I thought the ending made sense to me, but the more I replay it, read it and really dissect it this ending makes no sense what so ever. So can someone here please explain to me if it was indoctrination how could the facts above be possible.

Thanks and I seriously would enjoy anyone here on the forums helping me out cause my brain hurts trying to figure this out.

Thanks
Josh

Modifié par Exiledone1, 19 mars 2012 - 12:11 .

[Omnike]

Jarcander wrote...

Jackal7713 wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Itkovian wrote...

Well, I loved the game, including the endings. Can't say I agree with the hysteria at all.

There's plenty of science-fiction with endings that ambiguous, there's certainly nothing wrong with that. It's up to us to ponder the meaning and consequences of each decision, and that also is not unusual in literature. Not everything needs to be spoonfed to the players.

And I certainly like that there is no super-happy ending. There is value in having a bittersweet ending. Considering the entire theme of ME3 is heroic sacrifice, it'd be poor writing if a fully happy ending was even possible.

Mind you, I'd have enjoyed more time to discuss things with the Catalyst, and distinct cutscenes for each ending, but overall I am satisfied. The entire endgame is great, from the strike against Cerberus to the final cutscene. London, the FOB, and the final talk between Shepard and Anderson, stand out as excellent moments in the trilogy.

Thank you for the excellent work, Bioware.

Itkovian

It was not bitter-sweet. It was bitter with a side of death. Nothing good came of anything. All of your choice gone. I would have sat back and watched my fleet fight the reapers over putting the galaxy in a worst state.

Yea its this is the worst ending I have ever seen in a video game. After three games of beating the odds, Shepard  and everyone else dies. This is with maxed War Assets. Why bother playing the other two titles to build a new shepard? He'll die anyways and everyone with him. The LI is pointless, because why even having one when you'll end up dead anyways. Its not bitter sweet or grimdark, its just a lame everyone ends up dead ending. So no matter what you do the reapers win.  At least make an ending where all that work for pargon or LI ending means something. Keep good on your promises of choices. If not, well this will be my last Bioware game.  I won't support a company that lies to get customer's  money.

Some of you people are such childs.

For the record, they do not own you anything. It's their imagination and talent that brought us the Mass Effect series and everyone has had a lot of fun with the series. It is their right to end the trilogy as they see fit.

Should they with the please the fans and make DLC alternative endings, it would another sign that they care for their customers, but they are not required to provide you with everything you want.

They told us we'd get one thing. They lied. I've invested money into the series for what they told me I'd get. They owe us what we payed for.

[Shallyah]

GIEV DIZ PEEPHOLE AEYR wrote...

oh........AND TALI BEING DRUNK IS ADORABLE!!!!!

Tali is pure love. I find so very sad that all the incredibly 10/10 awesomeness that the ME trilogy is would get overshadowed by a poor ending choice.

It's not the way I want to remember this game, it deserves much more.

[Neural73]

IliyaMoroumetz wrote...

Neural73 wrote...

I also think that the arguments presented in the auto dialogue ridden conversation of Shepard with the AI child are deeply flawed and i totally agree with you in the point that those bogus arguments are destroyed by the choices that led to the reconcilliation of the Geth with the Quarian and EDI herself.

But even so, enclosing that scene in the context of an oneiric indoctrination setting, a mindgame, embodies a smoother transition to the integration of a solution to the colossal mistake Bioware made with the ending.

If that's the case, then those of us who chose the green, in order to spare the Geth and EDI, are screwed. 

In all honesty, I'd rather not have that.

Those who chose green are so screwed as those who let Shepard die in the ending of Mass Effect 2, but ultimately, are also so screwed as those who chose any of the other two endings of Mass Effect 3, ie. surrendered to a instantly "Reaperized" Universe via space Magic, or stranded in an hopeless and almost levelled galaxy via the huge chain of Mass Relay explosions...

PS: Choosing "Destroy" in the Indoctrination Theory integrated Space Child AI scene does not imply the destruction of the Geth and EDI, only implies the possible awakening of Shepard, ande the liberation of the claws of indoctrination, leading to that already canonycal scene of Shepard breathing in the rubble...

Modifié par Neural73, 19 mars 2012 - 12:16 .