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[luci90]

Chaoszerg wrote...

luci90 wrote...


Is the ending music 'the power of love' by huey louis and the news?

exactly



I am guessing though the truth dlc will reveal that it was not really a red, blue or green explosion, but was actually a shade of grey.

Oh i'd totaly pay boatloads of money for that.

[RTalon235]

Things I liked, 99% of the game.

The 1% I couldn't stand was the multi-same ending, only seeing Tali's face in a single picture, and the lack of followup for everyone involved. Even if my Shepard sacrificed himself to save everyone else, a completely awesome touch would have been a glimpse into the future of the galaxy he saved... especially when it came to the crew that we spent the last 5 years and countless hours caring about. *nod*

Heck, I would have been happy seeing an LI with Shepard's child or an LI paying their respects at a monument built in his honor. In essence, it's not that he dies, it's what he died for.

[RollaWarden]

After a great deal of thought, and considerable time away from the game to get some perspective, I'll respond as so many others have, and lend myvoice to the chorus.  Forgive what I write  that others have already said.  Skip my post if this is all just trope by now.  Forgive.  This post will, I hope, be cathartic for me.  You see, great storytelling is an art.  And art, if it is to be truly experienced, must invoke pathos, logos, and ethos.  But of these, pathos especially.  Art is an emotional, visceral investment that must be invested in to be understood.  The artist gives everything he or she has to the art, and the audience commits themselves wholly to the experience.  And when one or the other of Aristotle's two necessary elements for art/drama violate the relationship?  Well...then art/drama ceases to be.

Perhaps--and likely--I'm overdramatizing.  Perhaps not.  The reader may decide.

The ME3 ending was contrived, cynical, basely calculated, and self-indulgent.  Why, oh why did they feel compelled to do something "different," even if it means at the expense of violating the art they've created?

First, weld some Fable 2-like false choices with a liberal dose of Battlestar Galacica-ish "and now it all REALLY
begins!" hash.  Then sprinkle in a snarky "gotcha!" for one of the "pefect" endings--an end-choice that's fraught with contradictions, and will cause wails of bewilderment from even the most attentive ME devotees.  Then no epilogue, save a "clever" guest voice-actor astronaut serving as yet another derivative coda.  A violation of the hallmarks of video gaming.  The devs have mashed vital elements of video-game storytelling, for what?  "Difference."  "Speculation."  "Unforgettable."  Oh, the ME3 end is all those things.  In all the wrong ways.  Will ME3 be long remembered as the worst all-time ending of one of the greatest gaming trilogies?

Like so many thousands, I poured 50+ hours from 3/7-3/16, the fastest that I've EVER moved through a game, enthralled bythe brilliant storytelling.  Five years.  The story mattered.  What the trilogy was supposed to do for storytelling in gaming mattered.  And then...

Like so many others, slapped.  Punched in the stomach.  Kicked in the groin.  After two days of the CE version and game guide just sitting on the coffee table, I put them away.  Cannot bring myself to begin another run through, if
that's it.  Cannot gather those countless war assets, innumerable trips BACK to the Citadel, foster relationships after EVERY mission, again, knowing THAT ENDGAME awaits me.  The sucker punch AGAIN.

As Edgar says, when Lear carries onstage a dead Cordelia,

"Is this the promised end? Or image of that horror?"  Albany replies, "Fall, and cease."

This finish in ME3 was just as bleak, and just as hopeless. But ME3 was no Lear. Might have come close to revolutionary storytelling.  Might have.  But it was dashed--all thrown away--for the sake of big, BIG question mark, hovering at the end.  Thousands of us stared at the credits in disbelief.  We just couldn't believe it.  Not that.  Not for the greatest gaming trilogy of all time.  Oh, no.

No choice made sense.  Not one.  No, Shep was no Lear--he made no tragic error--no epic hubris--to even brook discussion of deserved suffering.  You gave us almost 150 hours of an epic hero, then butchered his/our reward for our devotion and faith.  Medea, you served us our chidren.

I have now "discharged my mind," to quote Thomas More in Bolt's A Man for All Seasons.  And your ME3 will stay on my shelf, a costly reminder of my faith, so misplaced it was.

Like so many others, I will certainly engage in constructive discussion.   There is much to discuss, and so little of it good.   And yes, the worst of endings WILL ruin the best of games.

Shaken, we are.  Shaken to the core.  We are shocked, confused, embarrassed, conflicted, and angry.

Sincerely wishing the devs the best of luck with constructive discussion after enough players have finished the game. 

Modifié par RollaWarden, 19 mars 2012 - 03:49 .

[Gandalug]

 ME3 was great experience and more so as whole series.

Begining didn't feel too good and it didn't really work (maybe i had too high expectation after mindblowing ME2 begining) 
And first minutes felt like playing COD in space or something (yes that IS bad thing). But after i got to Normandy and game really started it was all familiar and exellent.

There was lots of great moments and might have missed some since Samara and Legion died in ME2.

Endings.. well..

Basicly when you think about whole story only one choice makes sense, Synthesis with synthetics is something that Shepard basicly spends whole time fighting against.. against reaper and geth. Then half of me3 you keep telling and fighting elusive man that it's impossible to control reapers and bad idea.. 

"Perfect" ending where synthetics and reapers are destroyed is actually only one that follows the story..and Shepard even gets to live.
That ending felt right but as everyone knows the it needs bit more aftermath story..unless you are planning for ME4;search for shepard 

ps. i'm still bit peeved about not being able to straght import of ME1 face in ME3.. wth

 

Modifié par Gandalug, 19 mars 2012 - 01:29 .

[Dantexr3]

So... how can you explain this?

[ShadowLight1]

SnowyKai wrote...

ShadowLight1 wrote...

I played ME3 a second time to get a new perspective from an import from my XBOX, the game especially with WREX in it was far more enjoyable. I actually wanted to cure the genophage this time. So I chose the synthesis ending, which when I actually thought about it made sense. Don't get me wrong, the other two endings were sub par. If Bioware were to challenge me to a debate, I'm pretty sure they would have a hard time convincing me that it made sense.

Reasons why the Synthesis ending's work.

> If organics create sentient beings that will revolt and kill us all, synthesis levels out the playing field. They are all synthetic and they are are organic, therefore the cycle isn't needed. There is no advance from a hybrid and no real reason to create a synthetic AI.

> The Mass relay's would not be an issue, due to combined synthetic intelligence (Including the reapers as you see them turn green) they can easily be recreated.

> They still have free will, EDI and Joker chose to be in love. So best of both worlds.

> People say Shepard is choosing the path of Saren, who is to say Saren was wrong?

> As mentioned by Garus, leadership decisions are cold and calculated. 10 Billion on one side and 20 Billion on another, if we are to be wiped out by our own creations.. Why would you not choose to merge?

> Most of ME3's story was revolved around synthetics becoming aware, e.g. interactions with EDI and Legion become self aware and sacrificing himself.

Issues:

> Why is Joker still limping when he has an U-P-P-G-R-A-Y-E-D? (Sorry Idiocracy if anyone's seen it?

> What actually happens to everyone else? We know EDI and Joker made it.. If you saw a massive green thing coming towards you, I'd run as well.

> Serious lack of closure.

> Why harvest and be brutally evil to advanced societies when the reapers could of at least asked them how they want to proceed? If beings then choose to be stupid, then wipe them out.. Then it's a case of I told ya so

> If you don't get access to this ending, or some of the choices are missing throughout the game. It gives you a skewed / warp opinion of the ending. First time I played this through I chose to destroy the reapers, I was disappointed to say the least.

You're forgetting one thing. Hybrid beings will still probably be just as damn lazy as normal organics. Therefore, they'll probably make synthetics to do their work. OH GOD.

 

Simple, they don't.. They will have collective knoweledge of the reapers just like the consensus of the Geth, they will know why it started in the first place.. They then have ascention knowlege removing any (Inferior) Mistakes...

But still, I would like to know why we only have a blue, green and red ending.. Kinda seems a little lazy to me

Modifié par ShadowLight1, 19 mars 2012 - 01:37 .

[NessunaLuce]

@jojimbo
Now thats a timeline/plan I can get on board with!

I cant possibly choose any moments to favorise over another...
Loved pretty much every moment of ME1, ME2 & ME3...

But the ending of the third felt flat and rushed (and if it was I blame EA, I have major issues with those guys but thats for another day and another forum)...

Makes us think!?
Im all for an open ending BELIEVE me, but this was just short, flat, rushed, full of plot holes and waaayyy to "open", how 'bout a little more following up on some of our fav characters (Garrus, Liara, Tali etc.) and what happened to them, where they went, how they helped rebuild the darn universe and so on...

I would like to see one of two things happening now:

1. Bioware sees "the error of their ways" and releases an ending for each squad member as DLC, free of charge - call it complementary if you will...

2. Bioware gets started on ME4... Which will reveal "the true story/master" of the reapers and that the kid was just a cover for whats coming or something like that...

I could come up with like (literally) 100's of ways to end this game, and yes some of them would have slight similarities but I would never ever ever put in 3 endings which are this identically!

Whats so awesome about ME is how much choice and freedom you have, but its like the ending couldn't care less about all the stuff and choices players have done up till this point...
I would have loved to see how my choices affected the outcome - dammit I was expecting this, and if you look around the internet and read post/ads/etc by Bioware they pretty much promised this!

I will probably just start repeating whats already been said in this thread (if I haven't already done so , so Im just gonna shut up for now and see whats happening the next couple of weeks/months and what Bioware is going to do, for I really hope they will do something to please us who are either slightly or very unhappy/unsatisfied and show other studios (no one in particularly springs to mind - EA!!!) how to deliver some fan/user service...

Anyway...Shutting up now...

[Thor23]

I offer my perspective here, if anyone's interested: ME3 Endings: A New Perspective

My main theory manages to fill a lot of the plot holes, but there are still a few left. There are some other thoughts regarding the fleets around Earth and the Conduit as well.

[Desecron]

 Just wanted to share my thoughts. I'm a huge fan of the ME series, each game was significantly better than that last, and it started out incredibly strong.

Playing through ME3 I thought to myself time and time again that "this is the best game I've ever played", a sentiment that I believe still holds up after seeing the ending, but it was definitely rocked by it. It's hard to avoid the internet chatter about many people being disappointed, and I'd previously found that a lot of anti-bioware rhetoric to be completely unrelatable from my perspective - complaints about ME never made sense to me - the games were simply the finest in the industry. But here I am finding myself in agreement with the naysayers, and maybe even in support of those petitioning for change. 

Now, before I say anything more, I fully respect that Mass Effect belongs to Bioware, it's your artistic vision and you should not bend to the will of people complaining, but I still want to outline why the ending... kind of hurt! 

I'll try to lay it out as best I can, I think it boils down largely to one point:

The Mass Effect Universe, that is: the relays, the citadel, the species, the conflicts, the near-to-us future (~200 years is relatively small), the reapers, the technology, the style, all of these aspects are altered beyond repair by the ending. So, what this means to me is that I cannot revisit the Mass Effect universe that I know and love in a post-ME3 era. All ME games going forward have to be prequels or parralel running stories in order to be in that tasty ME world. Sure that means I can still experience more ME games, but it feels limiting - the threat now ALWAYS has to be the reapers or one of the established internal conflicts, there can be no progression from these limits, which is quite saddening. In fact, the three endings are so vastly different that there's no way I can see for a future game to be set in a post-ME3 era - the galaxy becomes fundamentally different depending on the end-choice made. It's a kind of finality that I didn't count on, and it's a little hard to accept happily. ME it's my favourite Sci-Fi universe, one that suddenly has a very strict start and end point where future games can be based.

I mean sure, if I completely got my way then I would also want a LOTR style massive epilogue to ME1-3 where I could catch up with all the characters and celebrate the victory, but a lack of that was never going to detract from my love of the series. This universe-capping ending, however, is something that does detract from my love of the universe, as the future of it now has such harsh limits.

Anyway, that's the crux of it, it's just how I feel right now, it did feel like a low note to end on. It would have been a very cool and interesting ending if I wasn't so invested in the universe. I love and respect Bioware for everything they've done for me, so thank you a thousand time for delivering what no other developer could - my favourite games by some distance.

Modifié par Desecron, 19 mars 2012 - 01:42 .

[monsoontide]

Oh dear... new article on Game Informer says:

"A fan who wants to see the ending of Mass Effect 3 changed has taken his complaint to the Federal Trade Commission, the agency created to protect consumers."

That is just silly and going too far.

You can read more at the Game Informer website.

Modifié par monsoontide, 19 mars 2012 - 01:39 .

[ShadowLight1]

monsoontide wrote...

Oh dear... new article on Game Informer says:

"A fan who wants to see the ending of Mass Effect 3 changed has taken his complaint to the Federal Trade Commission, the agency created to protect consumers."

That is just silly and going too far.

You can read more at the Game Informer website.

Lol! That is a bit OTT...

[Chaoszerg]

monsoontide wrote...

Oh dear... new article on Game Informer says:

"A fan who wants to see the ending of Mass Effect 3 changed has taken his complaint to the Federal Trade Commission, the agency created to protect consumers."

That is just silly and going too far.

You can read more at the Gme Informer website.

Well when you think about it, they did false advertise their product, we paid quite a bit of cash for the game and in the end were let down. Like someone advertising a porsche and then you buy it to find it is really a donkey with a lot of paint.

Modifié par Chaoszerg, 19 mars 2012 - 01:42 .

[jeweledleah]

monsoontide wrote...

Oh dear... new article on Game Informer says:

"A fan who wants to see the ending of Mass Effect 3 changed has taken his complaint to the Federal Trade Commission, the agency created to protect consumers."

That is just silly and going too far.

You can read more at the Gme Informer website.

technicaly... bioware grossly misrepresented their product, effectively lying to consumer (ther are plenty of posts in this very thread, outlining exactly where and how multiple developers lied during marketing period).  while I'm not sure its a good idea to head for FTC just yet... I can see where they are coming from.  it would be like me selling a 10 karat gold ring but labeling it with 18 karats.  i mean - its still gold alloy, and its still a ring and the size/design is correct... but at the core, I still lied and can/should be called out on it.

[DPSSOC]

Ok on the ending, Bioware you made it just a bit too long. See where I thought the ending was going, and it would have been a really powerful scene, was that after Anderson Shepard loses conciousness, cutscene of Crucible going off, Allied forces can't contact Shepard, your crew goes in, finds the bodies, funeral. That would have been a great scene and I would have loved it. Yes we don't get the happy ever after but it's a powerful moment and a memorable ending.

Instead you decided to drag the ending out, giving us a BS choice and then proceed to ramble on past the credits.

As for favourite moment. Renegade persuade the Quarians to back down from the Geth at the end of Rannoch and Legion's death. Why couldn't we have more lines like that it was incredible.

[Nigawatts]

monsoontide wrote...

Oh dear... new article on Game Informer says:

"A fan who wants to see the ending of Mass Effect 3 changed has taken his complaint to the Federal Trade Commission, the agency created to protect consumers."

That is just silly and going too far.

You can read more at the Game Informer website.

"Bioware raped me with their ending!"

"Sir, we have evidence that not only have you never been in the same room as Mr. Bioware, you've never been in the same state. How do you respond to that?"

"BABABOOEY!!!"

Yeah the ending is unfortunate, but Mass Effect isn't even my favorite franchise. Now if Half-Life had ended like this I would be lobbing molotov's at the Kentacohut I'm sure Gabe Newell lives in.

[Piszi]

VvAndromedavV wrote...

xScarecrowX wrote...

Can someone seriously explain what the endings meant?.....

Yes.

1. Blue - Shepard dies but gains control of the Reapers

2. Red - Shepard destroys the Reapers as well as all other artificial life (EDI, Geth); dies if EMS is low, lives if EMS is high

3. Green - Shepard dies but "seeds" the galaxy (universe?) with a new DNA that is half organic, half synthetic

No matter which option you choose all the Mass Relays are destroyed, and you receive a pop-up after the credits that informs you that "Commander Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat. Also, buy our DLC."

If taken at face value there are gaping plot holes. And space magic.

There are 16 different endings depending on EMS and ME2 collector base decision but actually there is only three as you wrote, with increasing EMS only the last video is different. I played ME3 now 4 times and the only difference I saw is that the last crew member stepping out the Normandy was always different oh and with high EMS there is that last breath cut scene
But the first time I choose the Synthesis ending I started to laugh synthetic trees really??? what kind of threat were they??? Were they going to rise and build AIs? oh and are the trees smart now? because the Citadel used my dna for the process so they have to have human dna or not?
And still can't understand how are these endings reflecting my decisions made in ME1, ME2 and ME3 and why is the Normandy running away, was Jeff afraid and hit the relay before I made my choice or what? Or was he running away because the light was destroying everything in its way or why? And whats up with the crew will they become nomads and starting to hunt and collect like the caveman and can about a dozen people populate a planet?
So I think I didn't get the closure I wanted, but I still think the game is Epic and I love the gameplay just there are big black holes at the end.

Modifié par Piszi, 19 mars 2012 - 01:54 .

[luci90]

monsoontide wrote...

Oh dear... new article on Game Informer says:

"A fan who wants to see the ending of Mass Effect 3 changed has taken his complaint to the Federal Trade Commission, the agency created to protect consumers."

That is just silly and going too far.

You can read more at the Game Informer website.

Well....If that's what it takes.

Personaly I think it's playing that hand too soon.

[Doofe2012]

I'll keep this short and to the point. Bioware, if you are really listening, please release some sort of ending DLC that makes it so Shepard and his/her LI (even if the LI has to be a squadmate) can be together in the end.

This can be the only DLC ending or it can be part of an array of varied endings that are actually different from the current 3. I simply can't accept that Shepard is either dead and/or separated from his/her LI forever, though. It's too emotionally painful. Seeing the ending for the first time broke my heart.

[AwefulShot]

I'm just not sure what a 'good' ending would have been? Well other than both Ashley and Miranda deciding to share Shep...

Seriously, what was a good ending going to look like? The Mass Relays were always going to be a threat as they were based on the same technology. Had the 'advanced races' work them out, the first one to do so would rule the galaxy and perhaps be a bigger threat than the Reapers.

Not saying the endings were as expected, but I guess I don't know what I expected?

All I really think is required is a small downloadable (for free) epilogue detailing the aftermath of Sheps choice. Any game play that changed the ending(s) for me at this stage would cheapen the series as a whole.

[razviolet]

Chris Priestly wrote...



In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

I sense deflection and lies. My space magic tells me so...if the cynical  doesn't give it away....DON'T just tell us you're looking into it Bioware. You're better than that and as fans we believed you always were. SHOW us something tangible and I'm not talking about free content or bonuses. Write up a relevant teaser script, draw up a picture, show an incomplete 3D model of a scene that could imply something is going on back there in the shop other than stockpiled bunkers and speculation.

 I am proudly holding the line.

[Encarmine]

Doofe2012 wrote...

I'll keep this short and to the point. Bioware, if you are really listening, please release some sort of ending DLC that makes it so Shepard and his/her LI (even if the LI has to be a squadmate) can be together in the end.

This can be the only DLC ending or it can be part of an array of varied endings that are actually different from the current 3. I simply can't accept that Shepard is either dead and/or separated from his/her LI forever, though. It's too emotionally painful. Seeing the ending for the first time broke my heart.

i agree, theres no reason why, I cant let my sheperd die in glory, and Doofe can choose to survive and be with his LI, thats what this game was about, choice.

If this was ME2, the discussions on this forum would be people like me and Doofe debating WHY we chose to do this, or that. Not all of us universally shocked and let down.

[MadRex]

 I am a huge fan of this trilogy, absolutely loved it. One of the best RPG series I have ever played.I envisioned my Commander Shepard like a Si-fi Jack Bauer (24, Kiefer Sutherland) making the tough or seemingly impossible decisions with action around every corner.  With this final installment of ME3 I thought there was great character development, (especially with my LI Ashley).  I actually laughed out loud at some of the comments of other characters made and yes... chills went down my spine at certain momments as well, especially the "gift" Liara gives Shepard when they go back to earth.  I am so glad I was able to save everyone from the  suicide mission in ME2, it was worth seeing the maturation and sacrafices of all the characters.  Favorite moments....there where a a lot.  Ranoch was cool, the defeat on Thessia which was a great climactic point, and finally taking the battle to Cerberus. (all I gotta say is...you killed Thane you son of a b****!)  Oh and being a musician/actor myself, I thought the music was excellent (downloaded it).  The music matched extremely well to the action.  Finally, I have to point out that I was not really convinced about the ending(hopefully open to adjustments?)  and hopefully we have not heard the last of Commander Shepard.  All in all, I still think ME3 was great!  Thanks much

[N-Seven]

Sandystorms wrote...

But the end? I just do not understand it. Why can't you argue with the creepy starchild? It makes no sense that Shepard, who has never laid down and just taken it, would not have the option to rebel against the choices offered. My Shepard at least has incontrovertible proof that that peace between synthetics and organics is possible. And yet he never gets to bring that up. Why does he just straight up believe the little star child thing is telling him the truth? 

Yep, Shepard was always a charismatic, powerful debater.  But he/she doesn't even try here, despite having full reason to believe that the Starchild's theories of eternal synthetic/organic conflict, cycles, and control, have now been made invalid.

I would suggest that fourth option be made available, after the Starchild finishes his offers.  The three current endings must remain available within the game.  Some people (though I believe the minority) like them.  Also it would take too much rewriting and work to remove them. 

So, after the Starchild does his explaining, if your ME and reputation is high enough, have a dialogue wheel open up.  It initially starts with two options, on the left, is something like, 'You're wrong,' or 'We can co-exist'.  On the right is, 'I know what I have to do.'  

If you choose, 'I know what I have to do', then you walk up the ramp and choose blue, green, or red as normal, and the endings for such are unchanged.

If you choose 'You're Wrong', then Shepard goes on argue that the cycle can be broken, synthetics and organics deserve a chance to coexist (without synthesis).  Points out the cooperation of the Geth, EDI, etc.  The anomaly of Shepard making it far, the Starchild pretty much already admitting they aren't omniscient, etc.   

Basically the end result of this option would end up with the Starchild withdrawing the Reapers or something to that effect,  the relays are not destroyed, Shepard survives.

This ending would be cost-effective:

- Reuse the cut scene of the Reapers retreating, as per 'control' or synthesis'
- Omit the scenes of the relays exploding and the Normandy crashing, etc.
- Render new epilogue cutscenes briefly showing surviving squadmates, celebrations.  Also Ewoks partying with fireworks and Jedi Ghosts. (that was a joke)
- Requires minimal voice work, possibly only by Mark Meer/Jennifer Hale.
- Also opens up opportunities for future adventures in the ME universe.
- If you like the sad endings, well you still get to choose the sad endings.  If you want the happy ending you can now choose a happy ending.

Modifié par N-Seven, 19 mars 2012 - 02:06 .

[Lordambitious]

Hmmm... I notice a pattern there..

Modifié par Lordambitious, 19 mars 2012 - 02:03 .

[jeweledleah]

AwefulShot wrote...

I'm just not sure what a 'good' ending would have been? Well other than both Ashley and Miranda deciding to share Shep...

Seriously, what was a good ending going to look like? The Mass Relays were always going to be a threat as they were based on the same technology. Had the 'advanced races' work them out, the first one to do so would rule the galaxy and perhaps be a bigger threat than the Reapers.

Not saying the endings were as expected, but I guess I don't know what I expected?

All I really think is required is a small downloadable (for free) epilogue detailing the aftermath of Sheps choice. Any game play that changed the ending(s) for me at this stage would cheapen the series as a whole.

why would relays be a threat?  technology is not inherently evil  only what we do with it.  there's nothing wrong with using technology created by someone else, reverse engineering, building up on something already discovered by others.

if the galactic society is preserved, then the relays end up being what they are prior to Reaper invasion.  a source of travel.