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[madtotheskills]

I remembered some awesome moments in game:
Curing the genophage, tower of death for mordin.
Some of Liaras dialogues. Specially the last hug before the last mission.
Shooting cans with Garrus. And missing on purpose, like a sir.
Reuniting Geth and Quarians favorite.
Grunt going solo vs reavers. He BEAST.



But then i took a red and ablue beam to the knee, and ended up to the citadel.

And here is my answer for your endings:


If we extract the endings from this game, its the best game out there.

[LovesJapanManga]

I do love this game. I really do, but I don't see how the ending would represent your true thoughts because the choices in this game have been stripped away. Leaving no sense of "rewarding" or "consequences". Three different types endings WITH SAME SCENARIOS but with different colors and small modified scenes... That is truly ridiculous. I am not complaining, but I don't get any sense of accomplishment or sense of satisfaction here.

Although, as for you- BIOWARE - STOP TRYING TOO HARD. LISTEN TO THESE FEEDBACK. I don't care if you say you DO LISTEN TO THEM. JUST SHUT UP AND LISTEN. That is all I am saying... Thank you very much.

[sonofsparda1989]

my fav part was all those pretty colours you could get at the end ..... every 3 year olds dream , but in seriesness this game was mind blowing until the last 10 mins where it was to me they worst ending i ever saw in a game i loved so much . but it wont stop me loving the game cause its truly brilliant .... but still really really disappointed BW

[gadenp]

TheSideKick24 wrote...

Mass Effect 3 is a masterpiece and Mass Effect as a trilogy is beyond words. I understand the frustration people have with the ending but I don't share it. It doesn't matter what you did through out to an extend in the end and that is because it was only going to be a few choices. Such is life. There are only a few possible out comes. Things that were taken into accounts were what races you chose, how paragon/renegade you were, weather you saved Anderson and if you saved the collector base. All of those mattered and all of them got you to the point. When it comes to endings, it can only go a limited number of ways. Perhaps a little explanation with the seen of the old man and the kid would help settle this issue.

Mass Effect 3 is not life. It is entertainment. It is something I play to get away from life and work. Why would anyone want to play "Life"? It will smash you in the face soon enough, again and again and the kick you when you are down. Do not need to find games to live "Life". And do not need games to do it to me.

In fact, I and I believe most people play games, to ignore life for that brief moments in time.

Modifié par gadenp, 19 mars 2012 - 06:55 .

[Devils-DIVISION]

Listening? LISTENING!
It seems to me, that is the problem. I would love to engage and converse with you - but, it's pathetic and pointless! You don't answer any of our questions, and act as if we and the issue don't exist. It's hard to engage in productive conversation, when whatever we say to you goes through one ear and out the other.

Try answering a question or two without the banal, vague and ambiguous responses you always release. People would appreciate and respect that.

P.S. Drop the smiley faces, it only adds to the cynicism  (see what I mean).

Modifié par Devils-DIVISION, 19 mars 2012 - 07:03 .

[Waydester]

I loved the whole besides 2 things about it. The game had a heap of epic moments and a lot of emotion behind it. The character development is amazing and the game looked awesome.

2 things I was not happy with is that the new companions from ME2 were all side stories and you couldn't use them... Really annoyed me. Also the ending, it leaves to much open about what happens to earth, all the races left at earth and all your friends what happened to them. For a ending it left to many questions unanswered and kind of ruined it.

[Setz]

For most video games yes, but when a games trying to tell a story, it needs to have portions of real life driven into it. It gives us the ability to relate to it. Hard choices, sacrifice, not always getting your way. These are the points that drive an emotional response to a game. A game that doesn't incorporate real life will never get an emotional response and will just be a "fun game to play" the problem with that, is a game like that you wouldn't care what the ending was.

Favorite moment by far: Putting a bullet into the illusive man... dirty bastard -,-

[jeweledleah]

gadenp wrote...

TheSideKick24 wrote...

Mass Effect 3 is a masterpiece and Mass Effect as a trilogy is beyond words. I understand the frustration people have with the ending but I don't share it. It doesn't matter what you did through out to an extend in the end and that is because it was only going to be a few choices. Such is life. There are only a few possible out comes. Things that were taken into accounts were what races you chose, how paragon/renegade you were, weather you saved Anderson and if you saved the collector base. All of those mattered and all of them got you to the point. When it comes to endings, it can only go a limited number of ways. Perhaps a little explanation with the seen of the old man and the kid would help settle this issue.

Mass Effect 3 is not life. It is entertainment. It is something I play to get away from life and work. Why would anyone want to play "Life"? It will smash you in the face soon enough, again and again and the kick you when you are down. Do not need to find games to live "Life". And do not need games to do it to me.

In fact, I and I believe most people play games, to ignore life for that brief moments in time.

hell, I get more options in life then Mass Effect 3 gave us.  this is a fundamental beleive I was raised with.  there's always a way out.  there's always another way.  you are not locked into some rigid destiny.  you make your own.  part of the reason I fell in love with Mass Effect and its inhabitants as much as I did - is because 99% of the time, it examplified it.  winning agaisnt all odds.  even when you lose, dust yourself off and find another way.  MAKE another way if you have to.  Shepard as a character always found a way.  to win, to triumph.  to persevere.

the endings should have reflected it.  Shepard managed to end thousand year feuds.  Shepard managed to unite the entire Galaxy.  why is Shepard stuck listening to the kid from his/her nighmares and just going along with lose/lose choices?

and why, oh why is it so wrong to want a happy ending?  I strife for happy in real life as well.  sure, its harder to get then in fiction, but why actively strife for tragedy?  I'm sorry, but its one thing I will never understand.

[JakeAdams]

My favorite moment was when I slipped and did the Renegade response to Kai Leng at the end of the Cerberus HQ mission.

The best accidental Renegade I ever did.

[Kiara]

Mass effect ending Contradictions

Mass effect 3 is a brilliant game, until you reach the last half hour or so, The so called "ending" of Mass effect 3 is one Contradiction, and plot hole after another. Filled with questions that are left for the fan base to see but no answers are given to any of them. I am going to try and go over them with the least amount of speculation as possible, forgive me if I indulge in a little bit for this first and most important point.
This is the final scene before the credits start rolling and the scene you can only get if you have 4000+ Effective military Strength, Shepard taking a breath, apparently not as dead as the Catalyst said our Shepard would be earlier. You can only get this scene if Shepard chooses the Destroy the Reapers option, in doing so shepard is warned choosing this will also kill him/her since, thanks to Cerberus Shepard is part synthetic. So why is shepard alive?
Many theories have been going around, one I really want to believe in is the indoctrination Theory, which can explain why Shepard is alive when clearly the Catalyst says this cannot be possible. It was in Shepard's mind... Maybe. Of course this is a theory and has yet to be officially Confirmed or Denied out right by Bioware. Only cryptic and vague responses have left fans guessing.
So let's go on the assumption what we see is what we get from now on.
The Destruction of the Mass relay's, if Bioware intended to end the mass effect universe destroying the Mass Relay's is the perfect way to go. This effectively stops all intergalactic travel and makes big block in continuing the story No more galaxy Map. It also adds a feeling of finality. However this finality is not the welcome kind, for it also creates a list of unanswered Questions. With the mass relay's down how were the fleets shepard gathered able to get home? If they weren't able to get home what happened to them. The fate of the galaxy shepard helped unite is frustratingly unknown. So even with the finality of the Mass Relay's destruction , the unanswered questions cancel this out and are leaving the fans confused and expecting more.
Now on to the Catalyst or Starchild as most are calling him. Starchild is one big mystery after another. One thing I would like to point out is how StarChild introduces himself. At first he calls himself "I" singular, an individual and the controller, or creator of the reapers. Okay that is fine, however later he starts referring to himself as "Us" meaning the Reapers. Is Starchild a reaper? or not... Gah must resist urge to suspect Harbinger... xD Okay this a small thing but still not very consistant.
Now his reason for the Reaper's existence, his "Solution" to chaos. Synthetic will always rebel against their creator.... So his idea is to create his own Synthetic's to harvest organic life before their Synthetics destroys them. Allowing them to "Ascend" to a reaper form.. in essence "Saving them" oaky this is all well and good. But the main bone fans are picking with this Shepard accepts what the kid tell him/her. Shepard doesn't influence or sway Starchild in the least. The mere fact Shepard is there is apparently enough for Starchild to say the his Solution will no longer work. I ask why? how does shepard being there put a wedge in his original reason for wanting to harvest organic life? This of course is not explained.
He does go on to explain his new solutions however vaguely, to shepard, who is the lucky soul to choose which on to take.
Now this is where things get tricky, Solution one, to Destroy the Reapers and all synthetic life, Destroying the Reapers has always been Shepards goal since the beginning however it would cost the death of the Geth and likely EDI as well. Shepard of course as previously said is also part synthetic so it would mean shepards death as well. StarChild warns against using this option saying the chaos would return. In the cut scene it shows Anderson choosing this option, the game also tries to tell you this is the renegade option with its red colours. However Anderson is not a Renegade Character, power is not his motivation it is saving life in the Galaxy.. Still this choice costs more than just shepards life, according to Starchild anyway.. Since this is the only option where Shepard can live with EMS over 4000.
Second option is control of the Reapers, the very thing TIM was trying to get through the whole game, This option StarChild seems indifferent about and doesn't warn of any negative effects it could have. Other than for Shepard to do this he/she would have to give all that he/she is to do it successfully, Shepard would die, but Starchild insists the reapers would do what Shepard wanted. Could this mean Shepard becomes the Reapers? Of course this choice also has the same contradiction as the other, Control is in blue, the colour for Paragon so the game is trying to tell you this is the "Good" option. Yet TIM is anything but a Paragon Character. Willing to do horrendous things to achieve his own ends, for Power, control..
Then there is Synthesis in the middle, The merge of organic and Synthetic life, creating a new DNA. Starchild seems particularly leaning toward this one, this being the final stage of Evalution in life. Like the control option Shepard must dissolve his/herself into the crucibles beam. StarChild explains that for this to work the reapers and organic would need each other and would in fact bring peace. Shepard seems to accept these options each resulting in his/her own death and possibly others also the destruction on the Mass relays which could have un told consequences all over the galaxy. Shepard doesn't question anything Starchild says and is left to choose the new solution.
To many fans disappointment no matter what your choose you get basically the same ending with a few minor tweaks here and there. So in a nutshell and explosion from the Citadel of a Red, blue or Green colour goes through out all the relays destroying them throughout the galaxy.
Now we come to another point, Joker is flying the normandy in FTL speeds, meaning he had gone through the Mass relay not long before the beam hit it. The beam soon catches up with the Normandy and causes it to crash. It apparently crashes on a planet somewhere we are not told where or what it's name is. And the occupants of the Normandy emerge.. Seemingly looking to enjoy the view of the planet they crashed on. Many are asking why Joker fled in the first place? and why are the crewmates who were also with you on Earth now on the Normandy? We know nothing about the fate of your non teammate crew or really what the situation is like on Earth.. Again many questions that are not answered.

After the Credits end we are treated with a scene of a man and a child star gazing, They speak how Shepard is Legand and how they have yet to go to the stars. The Child asks for another story about "The Shepard" and the older man agree to tell one more story...
Nitpicks that are likely nothing but I wanted to mention them anyway.
The Magic Gun, the gun you have after you first awaken, it has no need for thermal clips, however this could be a game mechanic decision, as the only time Shepard really needs to use it is to shot some enemies right before the conduit. After that is all cut scene that Shepard uses the gun.
Another is Shepard suddenly Ignoring his or her injuries once committed to a choice, the limp vanishes completely and Shepard who was formally barely about to walk can now walk or run quite strongly.. It is possible Shepard has come to a strong resolve and pain and injuries no longer matter.
In conclusion? I want to believe something is being considered at Bioware for there are too many inconstancies to accept the Validity of their ending. So again I say Mass Effect 3 is a great game and I am happy to continue playing the game, even though ending the could use a lot more polish and Detail. Since other then the Ending I can find little else wrong with any aspect of the gameplay, story, or characters.

[Rift-Runner]

I don't post often, but I felt I had to add my voice to chorus of unhappy fans who have followed Mass Effect since its start. The short version is this: I'm angry and disappointed that a game series I liked more than any other, that is one of the best stories in the medium, one I've enjoyed for years, was ruined in the last few moments of what should have been the best entry.

There were so many good moments to choose from between all three games that its almost impossible to pick a favorite. Unfortunately, the ending of Mass Effect 3 negates all those awesome moments. And no I don't care that Shepard can die. Some of the best stories in existence have the hero sacrifice himself for the greater good, but the plot holes and sudden introduction of elements that don't jive with the rest of the series or even the rest of the game are shocking and not in a good way. Instead I find myself amazed that the same force behind the first two games actually went ahead with this ending. Rather than the multiple possible endings we were told about for so long, we get the equivalent of "well, a wizard did it."

As I mentioned, bittersweet endings, whether the hero lives or dies, are not a bad thing at all. The Dark Knight and even a popcorn action movie like End of Days pull it off well in the context of their stories. Other videogames have done darker endings, even sci-fi oriented ones. I have no issues with it. But I take offense to being lied to and that is exactly how I feel. ME3 leaves me not with questions about the universe or where do we go from here as it was intended, but instead with the feeling of being lied to, especially if one bases their expectations of a game based on interviews from the creators and instead are given the exact opposite. It also feels rushed, like there wasn't time to come up with a satisfactory ending up to the standards of the rest of the game.

Like many others I hope the ending is changed, expanded upon, or whatever it takes to make this feel less hollow and rushed. How this situation is handled will determine if I continue to purchase future titles/dlc/etc. As of the moment I feel uneasy about immediately buying another Bioware product right away. After all, if this is the new standard for Mass Effect and its fans, then I can only wonder how Dragon Age or other games may be affected in the future. And I most definately will not buy any DLC for ME3 if in the end I know the current ending is the final word on the subject.

I sincerely hope that I can continue to call Bioware my favorite developer and Mass Effect my favorite series and I look forward to seeing how this situation plays out.

[Relshar]

lastforone wrote...

SavvyToli wrote...

The Indoctrination Theory is about Shepard being indoctrinated after Harbinger lands on Earth and the walk to the beam and the Citadel was all an attempt by Harbinger to finally be able to control him/her.

Capt. Anderson might represent Shepards good side and the Illusive man as the one favored in the dark side fighting over each other.

It may also be true that little TIMY (the boy who dies in the beginning and also reapers in Shepard's dreams) might also be a clue of indoctrination because nobody take notice of him when he boards the shuttle or even Anderson taking notice when he calls Shepard to the door. For TIMY to appear as the "Starchild" also further supports the theory that Harbinger is using that image of the child so that it can move Shepard to the right path of his own liking.

The "Starchild" smiles when you choose to control the Reapers assuming that your mind is now lost to the control of Harbinger.

If you chose to Destroy all Reapers and Synthetics, Shepard breathes at the end in the midst of concrete ruble, and the theory states that he/she has broken free of the indoctrination and that whole ending was a nightmare afterward.

I have personally made this profile just after i saw the ending because I just could't sleep anymore and decided to write all that frustration off. This indoctrination theory made me able to sleep again and am still holding onto this before the real truth comes out.

Check this vid out

Same here.... now I can have a sleep, and quit smoke again.

Possible but can you really say it was a definative ending to the series ?

And answers all questions ?

I enjoyed mass effect 3 until the part where I had the ABC choice of how it all ends.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

just an FYI BioWare, I don't hate the ending. ...i won't even go in to how and what I think of the whiners.

however, quick question. I saw in a pic Shepard having blue/green/red explosion choices w/ the kid AI. I didn't get any red/blue/green dialog options w/ the kid AI, I just had to walk. Whats the deal w/ that?

[Relshar]

JakeAdams wrote...

My favorite moment was when I slipped and did the Renegade response to Kai Leng at the end of the Cerberus HQ mission.

The best accidental Renegade I ever did.

I played as a paragon Shepard but didn't slip. Felt good to kill Leng. "Thats for Thane.":devil:

[eweandwhosearmy]

It's been said a thousand times, but numbers are important in this game so I'll throw my voice in.

ME3 was one of the most beautiful entries in the franchise. One of the few videogames that has ever actually moved me to tears. I was so blown away. The sheer scale was enormous. Mind-blowing. I loved seeing familiar faces and even losing old friends along the way felt... right. Sad, but very moving. It was a very emotional and satisfying experience.

Until the ending. Unless it turns out the indoctrination theory is, er, the indoctrination fact then the whole thing feels very out of place. Just discord. Totally broke from the themes of the first 3.9 games and was very jarring. And - perhaps worse than that - it made no logical sense. People have been tearing into the impossibilities of the ending for a while now, so I won't bother going there but it really did feel so terribly out of place I almost couldn't believe I was playing a mass effect game.

Bioware, I'm such a fan. I buy the collectors editions, the DLC, the shirts, and the books, and the razer products. I bought multiple copies of ME1 to share with friends and get them invested into the franchise.

But the ending of ME3 really sours the whole experience for me. Coupled with the day one DLC and the really shameless "buy moar dlc later" message that popped up after the credits and my faith in you as a company has really plummeted.

I really just want a satisfying ending. Not even a happy ending! I'm fine with Shep dying or squaddies being lost along the way. I just want something that makes sense. Take the indoctrination theory and run with it - or at least retcon the star child, because that was ****ing awful.

Just do something so I can go back to happily giving you guys all of my money.

[mothbanquet]

 

[danistrad]

Inconsistencies in lore, logic, and theme (to name a few) are what bother me. How was this considered acceptable by the developers?

[Rockstarblunt]

I just finished the end game. Over 30+ hours. I will tell you I was happy for 5 years playing all Mass Effect games, even 3 up until the ending. Now I feel sad. Disappointed and depressed. You ruined my end experience to a series that had the potential to be moving and great.

I glance through this forum, and see all your fans. Registered, replying, and engaging in discussions. But only to see the truth, that 90% or so, are emotionally distraught and frustrated with the ending you allowed.

We are the long time fans, however I don't see anyone replaying ME1,2,or 3 ever again knowing the type of tasteless ending they will receive. Don't plan on making a DLC, because no one will play or pay for it knowing the only 3 endings of the game. Unless of course that DLC changes/alternates the endings vastly.

Your slogan, Take Back Earth. I tried to, but ME3 never gave me that Option.
I'm not sure I have hope anymore for a revised ending, I am sure though you gave up on making one long ago..

Sorry, ...

Modifié par Rockstarblunt, 19 mars 2012 - 07:33 .

[shephard987]

http://www.torrentga...ng/#comment-732

PRESS

HOLD THE LINE

[Wes Finley]

Akael_Bayn wrote...

How about a straight answer about where all the many and varied endings we were promised went?





“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets?”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.”

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.”

Just keep quoting this post. It sums things up as plain as they can be made.

We want answers for the lies.

[Chewbacca99]

Yep... listening. Just like they did with DA2:

"But to be honest, we lost some fans as well. They were not pleased with some of the innovations and things we’d done. We understand that and we’re listening."
- EA Games Label President Frank Gibeau
http://gamerant.com/...ans-jeff-90642/

Listening is all well and good, but action speaks louder than words. What's next, Bioware?

[KevShep]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.
 
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

My favorite part is over shadowed by the ending.

[danistrad]

I've been recommending friends to not play Dragon Age 2 for a while now. I'm now recommending that they don't play Mass Effect 3.

Modifié par danistrad, 19 mars 2012 - 07:42 .

[Jackal7713]

JakeAdams wrote...

My favorite moment was when I slipped and did the Renegade response to Kai Leng at the end of the Cerberus HQ mission.

The best accidental Renegade I ever did.

 Oh yes " This is for Thane you SOB!  Thats where I now stop playing becuase the ending is just so bad. With 7k  worth of war assets, 100% paragon, readyness at 100%,  It would make sense that Sheppard would stop the reapers without having star child force the choice of RGB. He should be able to shutdown the Reaper code so that the fleet and troops can kill the reapers.

This part is something someone else said before but I've made a change to it.

After living through the battle Sheppard  a year or more later would be standing at the Reaper war memorial, still haunted about all the lives lost. 

While looking at the names of the dead, his/her LI comes up and comforts shepard.

LI " You did everything you could and you won.  You saved the universe and gave everyone hope for the future. I couldn't be more proud to say that I'm your wife/husband." 

Shepard glances back with a tender smile and says " But we have lost so much." 

The LI then says" But we gained a future for everyone and for our baby."

Shepard says " Your right LI NAME. The best way to honor their memory is to live."

Then the screen fades to different scenes of planets rebuilding.

Modifié par Jackal7713, 19 mars 2012 - 08:03 .

[xxskyshadowxx]

Wes Finley wrote...

Akael_Bayn wrote...

How about a straight answer about where all the many and varied endings we were promised went?





“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets?”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.”

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.”

Just keep quoting this post. It sums things up as plain as they can be made.

We want answers for the lies.

This claim he made was actually truth.  Sure the continuty/lore ignoring choices...lead to a final A, B, C choice. But his claim is not about the choice; it's about the ending after the choice. You have to make the A,B, C "choice" but the "ending" is not A. B. C....you get the same, crappy, continuity breaking ending REGARDLESS of which (A, B, C) ending you choose. He was being quite honest with that statement.

Bioware: I used to be goo at Sci-fi storytelling.....until I took a EA to the knee.