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[starstreak13]

First and Formost i have been a Bioware fan since Baldur's gate and its been an amazing journey for you guys from small time devs to what some have coined "EA's RPG  Branch". You guys scared me a little with DA2 but i believe you guys hit home with the entire Mass Effect trilogy sans the last 10 minutes. I have faith that you guys are smarter than I and have a master plan you have yet to reveal, But I sincerely hope that Shepard was knocked unconscious by harbinger's beam and everything on was a hallucination regardless of all the other evidence (personally most of which seems like grasping and straws) is the dissapearance of Shepards armor and reappearance of armor when he wakes up in London rubble that gives me hope. Regardless if you truely met for a choice in the end that doesn't matter, differ by choice and that was the plan the whole time I'd be fine with that as well, but in that case you could have at least included a paragraph about each character just like Dragon Age, altered by our descisions, because that was the point of Mass Effect to make descisions and see thier outcomes, and yet that very ideal is contradicted be the entire 3rd game.

Thanks for a great game and here's to either Mass Effect 4 or an equally engrosing trilogy

[Brother Kosh]

deity wrote...

And just for the record I loved all 3 games up until last 10 minutes...

I think there are more than a few of us who would agree with you here.

[Hitokiri83]

Series deserves a better, fuller and more logical conclusion. Of course with greater importance of decisions taken in previous games

Just to Bioware did not attempt to do a great happy ending with waving flags and handing out of medals

This great galactic war should not end up full of happy ending. This is not a fairy tale

Of course this is my opinion

Modifié par Hitokiri83, 19 mars 2012 - 04:36 .

[Aensland75]

The entire series is great except the last scene on the citadel. Feel out of place. I always believed that Mass Effect is about the Citadel and the Mass Relays. But not like this. Too many questions, too many unsolved choices. I'm still playin ME3, but having a bit of a problem with the endsequence. My main choice was blue, the galaxy needs a Guardian or should I say Shepard (meaning sheperd, but I like the pun).

The graphics are great, the gameplay is fluid and every character you meet or every mission you do is a masterpiece.
The kid and the dream sequences weren't neccesary. Could've been better with the character you left on Virmire. That was such a hard and painfull choice, not that random kid getting killed.
 Might be nice to have a childversion of your Shepard that haunts your dreams, being your conscience/guilt.

An ending that you can experience where your choices mattered and what they mean for the rest of the galaxy. Krogan and their genophage, Quarians and their homeworld, the rest recovering, the people on the Citadel, the unity you brought. Just exploding Relays and the Normandy crashes is dull and lazy without explanation. It's like all your hard work just blew up in your face. I'm fine with ending if it's one of multiple ones, just say the default one for example.
There's so much more to the Mass Effect Universe than this.

Modifié par Aensland75, 19 mars 2012 - 04:39 .

[Johnathonm]

Yo dawgs...

I heard you like updates. So this is recently from Twitter (@masseffect):

@faddez Stick with is, there's so much more to the ME universe that we can't get into right now...!
12:30 PM - 19 Mar 12

Word up.

[theoldludwigvan]

Brother Kosh wrote...

deity wrote...

And just for the record I loved all 3 games up until last 10 minutes...

I think there are more than a few of us who would agree with you here.

I think that is our mantra. ALmost no one is complaing about the whole game. It was absolutely fabulous until the last 10 minutes. Know that, Bioware. We love your series, just not that last 10minutes. Odd to think 10 minutes could so negatively resflect on 100+ hours of brilliance.

[Omnike]

I think I could make a better ending already. The catalyst should have really been the reaper code that the Geth obtained. No past civilization (at least it wasn't recorded) ever had a synthetic race taken over and freed with reaper tech still in place. The Citadel could have been the firing mechanism. The crucible the barrel, and the ammunition is the reaper code. Effective military strength is what determines the state that Earth is left in. High EMS means Earth can definitely be rebuilt. Low means that Earth is almost entirely destroyed. And Galactic Readiness would determine the state that the rest of the galaxy is in. After that, all your choices would ultimately come into play in the aftermath. Galactic Alliances to help rebuild each others homes. No more war for a short time. No dumb star child that take away the mystery of the Reapers and make them look like toys for circular logic that was just poor writing.

[Brother Kosh]

Hitokiri83 wrote...

Series deserves a better, fuller and more logical conclusion. Of course with greater importance of decisions taken in previous games

Just to Bioware did not attempt to do a great happy ending with waving flags and handing out of medals

This great galactic war should not end up full of happy ending. This is not a fairy tale

Of course this is my opinion

As much as I agree with what your saying about the war should not have ended as a fairy-tale, you have to remember around half the galactic population is now dead, many planets are in ruin, whole colony’s gone and the citadel, the centre of galactic law destroyed.

Given all that, I think one human living on Rannoch wouldn't exactly destroy the events of the war.

Modifié par Brother Kosh, 19 mars 2012 - 04:41 .

[Le0n1]

Johnathonm wrote...

Yo dawgs...

I heard you like updates. So this is recently from Twitter (@masseffect):

@faddez Stick with is, there's so much more to the ME universe that we can't get into right now...!
12:30 PM - 19 Mar 12

Word up.

Appeasement tactics. Nothing more.

[Trooper04]

Omnike wrote...

I think I could make a better ending already. The catalyst should have really been the reaper code that the Geth obtained. No past civilization (at least it wasn't recorded) ever had a synthetic race taken over and freed with reaper tech still in place. The Citadel could have been the firing mechanism. The crucible the barrel, and the ammunition is the reaper code. Effective military strength is what determines the state that Earth is left in. High EMS means Earth can definitely be rebuilt. Low means that Earth is almost entirely destroyed. And Galactic Readiness would determine the state that the rest of the galaxy is in. After that, all your choices would ultimately come into play in the aftermath. Galactic Alliances to help rebuild each others homes. No more war for a short time. No dumb star child that take away the mystery of the Reapers and make them look like toys for circular logic that was just poor writing.

I like this Idea   but also see Tali and other Quarians without their Enviro-Suits.

[Brother Kosh]

Johnathonm wrote...

Yo dawgs...

I heard you like updates. So this is recently from Twitter (@masseffect):

@faddez Stick with is, there's so much more to the ME universe that we can't get into right now...!
12:30 PM - 19 Mar 12

Word up.

Mass Effect 4 will be a reskined version of asteroids as you try to dodge relay debris?

Modifié par Brother Kosh, 19 mars 2012 - 04:44 .

[MDT1]

Johnathonm wrote...

Yo dawgs...

I heard you like updates. So this is recently from Twitter (@masseffect):

@faddez Stick with is, there's so much more to the ME universe that we can't get into right now...!
12:30 PM - 19 Mar 12

Word up.

Like amazing Omega DLC, that was originally planed to be in the first release but was skipped because of EA's deadline together with the trial and a sensible ending.
For only 10 $ you will then really be able to get the best ending without MP and experience how it is still exactly the same!

Modifié par MDT1, 19 mars 2012 - 04:45 .

[DACKS12]

 This is a game, not real life. Some of us want the fantasy and hope that our character/avatar, which we have invested many hours in, will be able to observe the fruits of their labor and enjoy the companionship of whatever relationship they have pursued. So please forgive me for being upset with a franchise that built itself on the premise that your choices could affect the outcome of the story, taking that choice and freedom away at the last minute. I understand that life doesn't always give you a happy ending but our fantasies can and that is what the Mass Effect story is, a fantasy. I personally wanted to visit Rannoch to see the quarian and geth working together to rebuild their planet. I wanted to see the asari restoring Thessia to its pre-reaper glory. To see the turian and krogan peoples liberating Palaven. And most of all, the big fat apology and thank you Shepard has coming from the council. Possible N7 missions as part of a cleanup effort. Retiring to the little shack near Pinnacle Station. The possibilities could have been endless but are now just ended. That is the source of my frustration with the ending. Lack of choice. Please do like you did with Fallout 3. Give us a chance not to die and to play on in a galxy without reapers.

Modifié par DACKS12, 19 mars 2012 - 04:45 .

[apieros]

from Twitter (@masseffect):
Stick with is, there's so much more to the ME universe that we can't get into right now...!

"Stick with us, more to the universe" = "Buy future DLC" and "Buy upcoming ME games on Android, iOS, etc."

It means nothing, with regards to fixing the writhing pile of vomit that is the ME 3 (ME Trilogy!) ending.

To Bioware: Fix the ending.

To Everyone Else: Ignore the static. Hold the Line.

Modifié par apieros, 19 mars 2012 - 04:50 .

[NoxJuked]

About the ending, I feel like Bioware/EA wanted to slap some sort of
multiple choice you would have to make when they should have kept the
ending simple like MassEffect 1 and have various different endings like
Mass Effect 2 based off choices leading up to that beam. I thought for
sure you would command the fleets in space or ground troops of you're
friends[Jack,Wrex,Grunt/Quarians,Geth,Turians etc] depending on what you
choose for them they could all die but do their job[low ems] sustain
heavy losses, maybe friend dies[average ems] or mostly survive with low
casualties, friend lives[high ems] and you would get to see that play
out in some little cinematic.

I would have liked my ending
changed maybe around Shepard getting hit by the beam. Have it where him
and his crew make it through with Anderson. After that when you go up
into the beam the Reapers/Illusive Man should have laid out an
indoctrination trap where you, rest of crew, and Anderson start getting
mind f--ked. I had already thought when I went up the beam I thought the
Reapers were making Shepard look at his/her past[I had a ruthless
background] so seeing all the dead bodies around I assumed they were
possibly the men/women Shepard sacrificed during Torfan.

Since
they kept bringing up lost friends and the kid in dreams they could have
made you fight them within you're head or something. Passed this you
get to the Illusive Man with Anderson & Company, perhaps one of
you're squad mates can become indoctrinated if they weren't loyal in
MassEffect 2 or you did something to ****** them off in MassEffect 3 so
they weren't focused or strong willed enough to break it and they die or
Reapers/Illusive Man uses them to fight against you could even take
control of them regardless but one at a time and have them fight against
you and you have to damage the Illusive Man enough so that he breaks
his hold over them. When you beat him you beat indoctrination squad
& Anderson pass out after having a talk, Shepard about to but
Hackett tells him cruicible isn't working.

Shepard goes to console
goes up comes face to face with Harbringer, they don't fight physically
they talk the reason for this is Harbringer had to stay connceted to
the Citadel or something to use indoctrination and is also preventing
the use of the cruicible. Then you get to make you're choice after he
explains the whole thing the god kid does but better explantions etc.
Cruicible fires does it's thing against only the Reapers unless you
chose synthesis, no wierd Normandy flying away scene instead a epilogue
of what happens after etc.

Control ending
- [low ems Shepard can't control the Reapers they wipe everyone out,
cycle continues] - [average ems Shepard controls them but dies] - [high
ems Shepard controls and lives]

Synthesis -  Fusion with synthetics and organics, Shepard dies regardless of ems.

Destroy
- [low ems destroys all sysnthetic life, EDI/Geth/Reapers, Shepard dies
& mass relays explode] - [average ems Reapers die, EDI/Geth live,
Shepard dies maybe mass relays explode or not?] - [High ems reapers die,
EDI/Geth live, Shepard lives mass relays don't explode]

Anyways
done typing this whole thing out some of it might not even be better
than the ending we already have was just throwing idea's around. I'm
neautral in terms of the endings some of it I don't like some of it I
do, it's so vague that you can just sort of come up with you're own
ending epilogue and be happy but yeah rather it be shown. I was mainly
upset that Mass Effect is reaching it's end with Shepard I really
enjoyed all 3 games I will miss them.

[Johnathonm]

My feedback to the team:

If you do release DLC to go back to the original planned endings (Please ... especially if the content [voice acting] is done) - it doesn't have to be changed to puppies, butterflies, pandas and unicorns; nihilism is cool with me. In fact, I am pretty sure I wanted that conclusion (especially in light of what was recorded about the original endings - dark energy endings sounded pretty awesome).


So uh... sup Bioware/Casey/EA/Chris - what's next? I also won't buy Multiplayer DLC because I didn't want that in the first place or at all (just sayin').

Unicorns, Pandas, Rainbows and Butterflies be with you all.

Modifié par Johnathonm, 19 mars 2012 - 04:52 .

[nkdz64]

I might be late on this. but just in case you haven't seen it yet....

BioWare May Still Change Mass Effect 3's
Ending Publisher 'considering your feedback' and has not made a decision.

ps3.ign.com/articles/122/1221081p1.html

[Hitokiri83]

Brother Kosh wrote...

Hitokiri83 wrote...

Series deserves a better, fuller and more logical conclusion. Of course with greater importance of decisions taken in previous games

Just to Bioware did not attempt to do a great happy ending with waving flags and handing out of medals

This great galactic war should not end up full of happy ending. This is not a fairy tale

Of course this is my opinion

As much as I agree with what your saying about the war should not have ended as a fairy-tale, you have to remember around half the galactic population is now dead, many planets are in ruin, whole colony’s gone and the citadel, the centre of galactic law destroyed.

Given all that, I think one human living on Rannoch wouldn't exactly destroy the events of the war.

Absolutely I think what happens after the destruction of the relays should be explained clearly

Is the destruction of the relays have the same effect as DLC Arrival

What happens to the races stuck in our system

What about the squad members who were hit by the Harbinger

Why Normandy fled and how did she succeeded to land in this planet

In short, we all want logical answers

[aksoileau]

Bioware, how about a compromise?

We know "N7 take back omega" is highly likely, so why not wrap that DLC up and attach some fixes for the endings with it?

You can charge for the DLC since omega will new location, dialogue, and guns. But you save face by fixing the endings.

Business wins and customer wins.

What say you?

[Tony Redgrave]

amelonbread wrote...


All of the final options given to Shepard are disproved throughout the game:

Control: What? The Illusive Man should NEVER be right simply because of all the horror he did in the name of "right." Why would the game suddenly do this? Control should be a lie. I said no, blue light!

Synthesis: Nothing but a type of Reaper. The same DNA will never promise peace. Javik would be ashamed. This cycle proved that organics and synthetics can get along, and no one gets along forever, not even humans. So screw you, green light.

Destroy: All I have to say is: EDI. The Geth. Cooler AI's have never existed. I fought for them to exist, and they fought for me. Nothing this kid says makes sense within the context of the rest of the series. So no thank you, Red light. (Unless that whole indoctrination theory is true. Then yes. But I should still wake up in London and then proceed to the actual end of the game.)

The words "So The Illusive Man was right all along?" Would (and should) never come out of Shepard's mouth. Blasphemy.

The destruction of the Mass Relays seems more genocidal than the Reapers picking out just the smart kids. The Turians and (especially) the Quarians would be a hundreds of years old or dead before making it back to their home worlds with FTL travel. And their home worlds would severely struggle without military presence.

Where are all my war assets I collected? Shouldn't this part of the game be a la ME2 where I got to see my ship upgrades directly affect the battle? I get my whole armada is there and that is a neat cutscene… but… That's about it. I was expecting at least some kind of recognition of my buddies from ME2 that were fighting on the front lines or like some of the people I saved/recruited. I mean I don't even care if some of them die. They're all prepared to go down fighting anyway. It would be weird if everyone came out alive.

And in regards to the "ending being happy" debate. I don't think ME3 can be happy, regardless of Shepard living or not. Earth is still a scorched mess. Thessia is still sacrificed to save everyone else. Holy God Palaven… Shepard still looses people very close to him. I'm sure most of those fleets will be lost. If he lives its not like he's going to be throwing confetti and unicorns on people, he'll probably go for a stiff drink. I wanted that triumphant Shep-smirk from ME1! Okay, I realize that is too specific, but Shepard has always defied the odds. That's what makes him so endearing. This game has always been about sacrifice and hope, regardless of what lies ahead. Why don't we deserve to have that hope rewarded? Especially if you have always played that way.

And God, oh God, WHY didn't I get to kick Harbinger's ass??? I was so looking forward to that day! And TIM. I wanted to kick his ass, too. I wanted to kick it so hard.

I'm not even touching the weird cutscene with Joker. That's just… I got nothing'


Star Wars with the end of 2001 a Space Odyssey does not a good movie make.

Shamelessly quoting this. +1

[theIllustriousGamer]

Seriously Bioware, I love you and I love Mass Effect. I even installed Origin on my PC for you, after saying I never would. But if this ending stands, then we're done.

[MDT1]

theIllustriousGamer wrote...

Seriously Bioware, I love you and I love Mass Effect. I even installed Origin on my PC for you, after saying I never would. But if this ending stands, then we're done.

Amen

[ZajoE38]

There isn't a logical answer. Because it did not happen in reality, that why it does't make sense. You can't demand a logical answers because the game hasn't ended yet.

[danyf88]

This is a game, not real life. Some of us want the fantasy and hope that our character/avatar, which we have invested many hours in, will be able to observe the fruits of their labor and enjoy the companionship of whatever relationship they have pursued. So please forgive me for being upset with a franchise that built itself on the premise that your choices could affect the outcome of the story, taking that choice and freedom away at the last minute. I understand that life doesn't always give you a happy ending but our fantasies can and that is what the Mass Effect story is, a fantasy. I personally wanted to visit Rannoch to see the quarian and geth working together to rebuild their planet. I wanted to see the asari restoring Thessia to its pre-reaper glory. To see the turian and krogan peoples liberating Palaven. And most of all, the big fat apology and thank you Shepard has coming from the council. Possible N7 missions as part of a cleanup effort. Retiring to the little shack near Pinnacle Station. The possibilities could have been endless but are now just ended. That is the source of my frustration with the ending. Lack of choice. Please do like you did with Fallout 3. Give us a chance not to die and to play on in a galxy without reapers.

I'm totally agree with you...

[Brother Kosh]

Hitokiri83 wrote...

Absolutely I think what happens after the destruction of the relays should be explained clearly

Is the destruction of the relays have the same effect as DLC Arrival

What happens to the races stuck in our system

What about the squad members who were hit by the Harbinger

Why Normandy fled and how did she succeeded to land in this planet

In short, we all want logical answers

Agreed. 

Mass Effect 3 is an amazing game and I'm currently on my second play through but I'm just not going to run at the final charge, just exit out..  Up to that point the game is quite possibly one of the best games I’ve ever played but post beam it's almost like they got a new writer team in and told them to 'go crazy'.

To you're list though I would also add the whole breathing after high EMS destroy ending, since the 'I see Reaper people' Kid said that Shep would be dead.  Slight loop hole that one.