23455 réponses à ce sujet

[theoldludwigvan]

Leem_0001 wrote...

With regards to the talk of Shepherd really been on Earth when we see him 'take a breath' - are we sure that is the case, that he is actually in London amongst the debris? If you watch it close that mess he is in could just as easily be the debris from the explosion he caused during the Destroy ending, after shooting the tube thingy, thus blowing it up.

One peice of evidence is that there doesn't seem to be any concrete on the Citadel. The is however a TON of concrete both during the entire London playthrough as well as in the "breath clip"

[Saremei]

Iconoclaste wrote...
There can then be a DLC where you simply "assist" in the last "support" missions, while things are taken care of by non-endoctrinated personnel on the Citadel.

Calling it now, Ending to be clarified in multiplayer DLC with forces rushing in the citadel past the smoldering shepard. (chest and head hidden under rubble)


Not seriously of course, but I could imagine it happening.

[The Goodjerk]

 They would write a good ending, then they got an arrow on the wrists

[Iconoclaste]

theoldludwigvan wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

With
regards to the talk of Shepherd really been on Earth when we see him
'take a breath' - are we sure that is the case, that he is actually in
London amongst the debris? If you watch it close that mess he is in
could just as easily be the debris from the explosion he caused during
the Destroy ending, after shooting the tube thingy, thus blowing it
up.

One peice of evidence is that there doesn't seem to
be any concrete on the Citadel. The is however a TON of concrete both
during the entire London playthrough as well as in the "breath clip"

How could Shepard survive his descent to Earth?

He simply did not blow the Citadel, he just wakes up after the "beam" has gone to other targets, maybe somehow they blew the Reaper blocking access to the Beam ( maybe someone had time to use it to get upstairs) and THAT explosion caused the rubble...

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 19 mars 2012 - 08:41 .

[Leem_0001]

theoldludwigvan wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

With regards to the talk of Shepherd really been on Earth when we see him 'take a breath' - are we sure that is the case, that he is actually in London amongst the debris? If you watch it close that mess he is in could just as easily be the debris from the explosion he caused during the Destroy ending, after shooting the tube thingy, thus blowing it up.

One peice of evidence is that there doesn't seem to be any concrete on the Citadel. The is however a TON of concrete both during the entire London playthrough as well as in the "breath clip"

Yeah, just watched it again and looked closely - it does seem to be concrete when he takes the breath. Answers the question though

[Bio D]

My favorite bit is a tie between the final mission on Tuchanka and just about anything with Garrus. So much emotion packed into one mission... You did good there, Bioware.

[Milica0190]

I personally enjoyed the ending. I really did not expect Shepard to live because it is an extremely big moment. Seriously, all these people complaining about how the endings are bad need to think about it. Shepard is a hero trying to beat the odds by saving Earth and the human race (and other alien species) by defeating the Reapers. I definitely did not expect Shepard to live with such a huge burden on him/her. Therefore, I think Bioware did a great job on the endings, and I thought the three different ways to handle the situation were intriguing.

[Chrisl2424]

Well how would there be concrete on him if he was running in the open, plus by the time he got out of it if he was on earth he would be pretty much dead, same goes for the crucible

[SpartanCommander]

Well I would think that it would be better closure to the game if you had something like having Sheppared show up at the party similat to VE Day in WW II.  Where you have entire planets celebrating the Defeat of the reapers.

here's a pool to vote on.


http://social.biowar...14/polls/30003/

I would also like to ask one thing.  In arrival doesn't the Destruction of a Mass Relay mean the entire solat system get's destoryed?  That means that just about all the Endings mean's that you practically wipe out all sentient races no matter what ending you choose.

It's like a safe box.  If the Cycle is broken then no one can live anymore.  Like a threat.

[theoldludwigvan]

Iconoclaste wrote...

theoldludwigvan wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

With
regards to the talk of Shepherd really been on Earth when we see him
'take a breath' - are we sure that is the case, that he is actually in
London amongst the debris? If you watch it close that mess he is in
could just as easily be the debris from the explosion he caused during
the Destroy ending, after shooting the tube thingy, thus blowing it
up.

One peice of evidence is that there doesn't seem to
be any concrete on the Citadel. The is however a TON of concrete both
during the entire London playthrough as well as in the "breath clip"

How could Shepard survive his descent to Earth?

He simply did not blow the Citadel, he just wakes up after the "beam" has gone to other targets, maybe somehow they blew the Reaper blocking access to the Beam ( maybe someone had time to use it to get upstairs) and THAT explosion caused the rubble...

Yeah I don't think anyone thinks he survived the descent (although he must have survived a similar descent in ME2's beginning. But it also took 2 years to revive him.).  Him being on Earth has to support the indocrination theory.

[Rune-Chan]

Milica0190 wrote...

I personally enjoyed the ending. I really did not expect Shepard to live because it is an extremely big moment. Seriously, all these people complaining about how the endings are bad need to think about it. Shepard is a hero trying to beat the odds by saving Earth and the human race (and other alien species) by defeating the Reapers. I definitely did not expect Shepard to live with such a huge burden on him/her. Therefore, I think Bioware did a great job on the endings, and I thought the three different ways to handle the situation were intriguing.

Yet another person who wrongly assumes that it's the unhappiness of the ending we dislike.

Please try and read our arguments before replying to them.

Not many people would care if Shepard died, providing it made sense.

If after killing/stopping the Illusive Man: Shepard activated the Crucible, it fired and killed the Reapers. Shepard bled out and we then get an epilogue explaining what happened after, there'd be a hell of a lot less complaints

[Fat Head]

These must have been posted at some point, but I'm not checking through almost 300 pages of stuff to find out for sure. I figure better safe than sorry.

These are the two best written critiques on the ending that I've read anywhere and say what just about everyone is trying to say in the most clear and thought out way possible:

http://cruiseelroy.n...03/the-ending/
http://ludo.mwclarks...he-me-universe/

Modifié par Fat Head, 19 mars 2012 - 08:56 .

[theoldludwigvan]

Chrisl2424 wrote...

Well how would there be concrete on him if he was running in the open, plus by the time he got out of it if he was on earth he would be pretty much dead, same goes for the crucible

Well a cutscene (especially a charged and cliffhanging cutscene) is likeley to be different than the actual territory of the level design. 

Modifié par theoldludwigvan, 19 mars 2012 - 08:47 .

[Omnike]

Milica0190 wrote...

I personally enjoyed the ending. I really did not expect Shepard to live because it is an extremely big moment. Seriously, all these people complaining about how the endings are bad need to think about it. Shepard is a hero trying to beat the odds by saving Earth and the human race (and other alien species) by defeating the Reapers. I definitely did not expect Shepard to live with such a huge burden on him/her. Therefore, I think Bioware did a great job on the endings, and I thought the three different ways to handle the situation were intriguing.

You like plotholes? Weird.

[Iconoclaste]

Shepard blows all the Mass Relays, and whole star systems and their inhabitants. Not a real hero in my book. Might as well have tried to climb up inside a Reaper and crash it on the citadel...

[jonbahamut]

My thoughts on the ending of ME3 agree almost completely those expressed by Adam Robert Thomas in the California Literary Review, who manages to do so more eloquently than I could, so I shall simply link to the review in question: http://calitreview.com/24673

[gsxrsterl]

(IF YOUR REALLY LISTENING PLEASE READ ME!!!!!)

Dear Bioware,
The critisism I am about to make I believe should be begun with several compliments.  First I want to thank you for making what I think is the greatest video game series of all time!  I have laughed, nearly been brought to tears, and have felt true emotional attachments to the characters in the game.  I have had genuine fear and hope for them and my Shepard(s).  The richness of character and story development has been simply unmatched by any other developer.  With each game the story has become more compelling, and I have counted down the days between releases.  Your talents as a company are not limited to Mass Effect either, from Jade Empire to the Dragon age series, I have been hooked on your products for years.  I also want to say that the improvement of game play in each ME game has been stunning and frankly at a level that was unexpected to me.  Bravo!

Now the criticism.  First, when I heard about Biowares affiliation with EA after the first ME game I was very worried that the story telling aspect of the game would be lost.  To my surprise ME2 was excellent.  However, I wish I could say the same about ME3.  My main complaint has to do with the ending of the game (well really the seires).  I would gladly play the game over and over had the ending been a fit for the series.  I am not a hardcore gamer, infact I have only completed a 11 games to the end and six of them are bioware games.  It could be said that I am more of a bioware fan than a fan of videogames in general.  I have a hard time believing that the ended I was given was appropriate.  I am by no means an expert on the subject and as such if I get the impression that it was rushed and lacking in content then odds are there is something wrong.  

I do not believe that anyone at bioware (Casey Hudson included) truely believes that it was your best effort.  Please do not misunderstand I am not angry, just disapointed.  I feel as though there was a bait and switch.  This whole universe that bioware created and drew me into, this rich and dynamic story just seems to end, in very abrupt and dissatisfying way.  The lack of true choice, the lack of my previous choices have baring and meaning was so unexpected.  The thing that is the most distrubing is that from any other company I would not be upset or really even surprised, but I have never once been truely disapointed by bioware, until now.  I do not expect that any really changes will take place to the ending of the ME series EA is a large company and Im sure places huge demands on you folks that hinder quality of work.  Like anything else videogames are a business.  For me the ending of ME was not only an ending for the game but an end of the developer that I have been so attached to.  It is unlikely I will ever again just purchase a game blindly just because Bioware developed it.  

All that being said, I wish for nothing more than for you to prove me to be premature in my assesment of the "New" Bioware.  Just realize that statement of platitude without action will only serve to alienate more.  I wish you all nothing but sucess in the future, and thank you again for hard work and vision regaurdless of the end result!!

[Iconoclaste]

Chrisl2424 wrote...

Well how would there be concrete on him if he was running in the open, plus by the time he got out of it if he was on earth he would be pretty much dead, same goes for the crucible

Well, he fell to the ground, right next to the gardian Reaper, so if this big guy gets knocked down like the one on Rannoch, no doubt it will throw a bit of rocks and rubble around, with anything lying on it...

[Johnathonm]

Iconoclaste wrote...

Shepard blows all the Mass Relays, and whole star systems and their inhabitants. Not a real hero in my book. Might as well have tried to climb up inside a Reaper and crash it on the citadel...

Shepard is that badass though. He crashed an asteroid into a mass relay because he is a boss.

Also, that would have been kick ass. Kill harbinger, climb into his corpse shell, crash him into the citadel.  Michael Bay would be proud and it would be better than space magic and buzz aldrin space adventures (not good ones). My sweet... Fire whoever wrote that line.

Hugs, pandas and unicorns.

[FS3D]

Leem_0001 wrote...

With regards to the talk of Shepherd really been on Earth when we see him 'take a breath' - are we sure that is the case, that he is actually in London amongst the debris? If you watch it close that mess he is in could just as easily be the debris from the explosion he caused during the Destroy ending, after shooting the tube thingy, thus blowing it up.

No. The rubble looks nothing like what you would find on the Citadel... But it does look like it could be made of concrete or stone.

[Strik3r889123]

BIOWARE feedback clearer than this!
you have no more excuses! The ending should be changed if you consider really our opinions

"We've had some incredibly positive reactions to Mass Effect 3, from the New York Times declaring it “a gripping, coherent triumph”, to Penny Arcade calling it “an amazing accomplishment”, to emails and tweets from players who have given us the most profound words of appreciation we've ever received" WTF! and what do you think the majority of your fans / customers??!

I want a happy ending! not a bittersweet ending!
a shepard alive with his love and without the mass destruction of relay.....

we players want more choices!
indoctrination theory a ingenious idea!
sry for my english but i had to talk about this, i love too this universe more than any other science fiction universe!
PLEASE BIOWARE CHANGE THIS ENDING OF SUCKS!

[Iconoclaste]

Johnathonm wrote...

Shepard is that badass though. He crashed an asteroid into a mass relay because he is a boss.

Just one, and there were mostly Butarians and baddies around, not unicorns and sweet fluffy blue babies.

[Leem_0001]

FS3D wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

With regards to the talk of Shepherd really been on Earth when we see him 'take a breath' - are we sure that is the case, that he is actually in London amongst the debris? If you watch it close that mess he is in could just as easily be the debris from the explosion he caused during the Destroy ending, after shooting the tube thingy, thus blowing it up.

No. The rubble looks nothing like what you would find on the Citadel... But it does look like it could be made of concrete or stone.

Yeah, your right, someone else made the same point above and, after I watched it again it is very clearly concrete around him, not the metallic structure of the Citadel.

[Eowyn77]

I am hoping someone might be able to help me. I apologize if this has already been answered.

I just finished ME3 last night with my import from ME2. Like most people I too was very disappointed in the ending"s". I played the final sequence 3 times to see what each ending would be like. How disappointing to find out each ending was exactly the same. In my game my Shepard dies in all 3 endings. Now I am hearing that when I chose the ending to destroy the Reapers that I should have had a cut scene showing Shepard laying in rubble and then take a breath. My total war assets and military strength were over 7000 and my readiness rating was at 100%, thanks only to playing quite a few games of multiplayer which is a whole other topic of disappointment that I will not get into right now.

So my question is, WTH? I clearly met all the requirements for what they are calling the “Perfect Ending”. Why did I not get that cut scene? Is it because I did not pick that ending first? Do I need to go back and play the entire final mission again? I realize getting that 3 second clip will not change the fact that the ending fell far short of what was expected, but just knowing I should have gotten it and didn’t makes me feel so completely jipped.

And to answer the question of what was my favorite ME3 moment. Hands down when my femshep killed Kai Leng and said “That was for Thane you son-of-a ****" That was by far the most satisfying moment of the game for me.

[ardias89]

Greyward wrote...

First, some speculation about the ending: I think the Mass Relays "self destructed" in a way much more benign and contained than the rather crude "bludgeon it with an asteroid" approach of the "The Arrival" DLC. Second, if Ash was correct in the first game when she said that "a dozen light years is about a days cruise", this would make ships in the ME universe capable of 4,000+ times the speed of light (12x365) ly/y or in other words, significantly faster than the USS Voyager going full tilt in Trek. So no, the fleets would not be trapped on Earth. The entire galactic civilization would have to be re-made, and doubtless thousands of new worlds away from the relay system would be discovered. Its an interesting setup in many ways.

Actually in Mass Effect 1 it is explained that they havent really downscaled the universe or anything and therefore the galaxy is still more than a 100.000 lightyears wide. It would take years and enourmorse fuel reserves (which we know they dont have) to get the Quarians and Geth home.

In the citadels codex entry in Mass Effect 1 it is mentianed that even after thousands of years of discovery in that small sector only 1% of the stars have been explored. The Universe is actually FREAKING huge and when we travel with a mass relay we get blown so far away from where we were before that its hard to understand even if you live in the mass effect universe.

So the civillisations are spread on very tiny dots of the galaxy. And why is that? Beause the reapers placed the relays in each developed species system.

So to cut short we only see a microscopic part of the actual galaxy.

Modifié par ardias89, 19 mars 2012 - 09:00 .