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[Cyren]

xxKenshin Himura wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.
 
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?




There is no debate on the ending, It sucked, plain and simple. It is as if you guys didn't even try.

1. why was joker running away from the fight in a mass relay
2. why was x squadmate on board when 2 seconds ago they were in my party
3. The relay is on pluto, it isn't as if Joker stumbled upon it
4. If the first relay sends out enough energy to destroy it, then the second relay would be destroyed upon receiving it and the chain reaction would have stopped.
5. If  a relay blew up and killed 300,000 batarians, then blowing all of them up would kill everbody.
6. Relay's are blown up, great, now we have 10 trillion geth, turians, humans, quarians, krogan, asari, drell, hanar, salarians, whatever else now all stuck on Earth with no resources to sustain them.

It is if during the story brainstorm suggestion, you guys asked "What could we do to make this the most unneccessarily dramatic ending ever?"
"Blow up all relays"
"Make joker and the crew run then get stranded on a distant planet"

I can hardly believe that nobody stood up and said "This is completely absurd and there is no way the fans are gonna buy it. The ending is completely illogical and has so many holes you could fly a turian dreadnought through."

You know that is a damned good question.

[Leem_0001]

Vox Doom wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

ilComico wrote...

I have one question, but i'm not sure if it is OT:
Does anyone know what the leaked script endind included?

At this point I really want to know that

I second that - I have no idea what it was supposed to be.

And is this the same as the original outline of the trilogy that was put together by Drew KarpyshIcantspellhisname? If not, does anyone know what was supposed to happen in that. I heard ME2 was also radically different in that.

It was pretty much the same.

And Drew's ending had the Reapers trying to create a human reaper because it was the only way to stop the universe from being destroyed by the dark energy that powers the mass effect fields which is expanding at a stupidly fast rate.  Remember the star in ME2 that is older than it should be?  Yeah, that's what the reapers are trying to stop.

You could decide to let them go ahead with their plan or tell them no, that the young races would find another way to stop it.

A lot better, in my opinion, but I still prefer the idea that Reapers are simply harvesting to create more Reapers.

Thanks for the info, appreciate it. To clarify - the Reapers are taking time out from the cycle to stop this star that Tali spoke about in ME2? And the expansion of Dark Energy? Not sure how a human Reaper would do that. Still, sounds interesting and would like to see the idea fleshed out, but I'm with you, I prefer the Harvesting idea.

If only the synthetics weren't harvesting organics to protect them from synthetics. And Star Child was nowhere in sight lol

[win7towin]

An epic trilogy that deserved an epic ending.
Where was it?

[alx119]

Ajirasan wrote...

The ending is just a big joke, it has to be. I hope there will be patch, DLC or something else. It's just like Neon Genesis Evangelion.

NO! No no no no no, if you mean the ending of the original series, ok, but the Ending of Evangelion, the movie, was simply brilliant. Showed you the mind of Shinji as it is, the mind of a teenager, HE made the choices, they weren't imposed, and he could have perfectly not done anything. He had the fate of humanity in his hands and made HIS choice. 
Shepard was forced to choose, and even then the choices didn't give a good prospective. None of them seemed the right choice, which is what's most frustrating to me. And when you choose, you get well... that ending :/ 

[Yorgsogoth]

win7towin wrote...

An epic trilogy that deserved an epic ending.
Where was it?

The volus stole it and are waiting to get licensing rights to release it.

[Jeitiiea]

I'm ok with mass relay destruction. I'm ok with Shepard dying.

I'm not okay with Shepard passively accepting the word of a Reaper VI when direct evidence (quarian-geth cooperation) exists to undermine it.

I'm not ok with Joker and the Normandy inexplicably running away from the fight.

I'm not ok with the squad mates I assumed had died in London miraculously being alive and on the Normandy.

I'm not ok with their being no option to... lose. All endings are the same. It is pointless to play it again, all the way through.

[clarkusdarkus]

Just finished the iconic endings, and my conclusion is i think id rather have a homeless guy turd on my face and me thank him for the pleasure, than having to sink in 150+ hours over 5 years and dedication for them ridiculous rainbow coloured endings. Couldnt feel any more deflated and dissapointed by the outcome of the journey, such a forced and unbalanced ending to what was an emotionall and immersive gaming experiance. The mission structure was ridiculous, you should have stuck with main-side missions aswell. But now i feel used and empty and wasted 5 years and many hours for that turd on my face. cheers i dont think......

[jazzking2001]

284 pages in this post
lol
ppl rly want a improved ending

[vandoug]

Yorgsogoth wrote...

vandoug wrote...


I also think the mass relays destruction part is a nice touch to the ending. Think about it: Such an epic feat - ending the 50000 year civilizations extinction cycle demands such price. It's totally reasonable and acceptable. Don't forget, giving some time, civilizations will reconnect themselves by any means for sure.

Actually, i can only see the geth prospering in 2/3 endings...they don't eat, sleep or age so given time they will become the dominante force in the galaxy,  just like the catalyst planned.

I believe organics and machines have their own strength and weakness. It's all about balance.

Modifié par vandoug, 19 mars 2012 - 09:40 .

[rebirth1x]

Fix it so we don't have to have Shepard die...and can reunite with everyone that's still alive at the end of the game. That is all I got to say in regards to the ending, the game itself is great but the various endings have me losing sleep in a lot of ways

[Leem_0001]

jazzking2001 wrote...

284 pages in this post
lol
ppl rly want a improved ending

Ha, yeah, and this thread was only started 4 days ago - 284 pages in 4 days.

Wow.

[djbauer]

i watched the perfect ending and i was amazed.

but would still like to know what happened to the rest of the crew.

[Yorgsogoth]

vandoug wrote...

Yorgsogoth wrote...

vandoug wrote...


I also think the mass relays destruction part is a nice touch to the ending. Think about it: Such an epic feat - ending the 50000 year civilizations extinction cycle demands such price. It's totally reasonable and acceptable. Don't forget, giving some time, civilizations will reconnect themselves by any means for sure.

Actually, i can only see the geth prospering in 2/3 endings...they don't eat, sleep or age so given time they will become the dominante force in the galaxy,  just like the catalyst planned.

I believe organics and machines have their own strength and weakness. 

I agree, but in 2/3 endings, every society is probably going to collapse either do to wide spread planatery infrastruture being destroyed and/or inability to get supplies or materials needed to rebuild...most races are probably gonna fall back to pre-industrial state..except the geth, just like the catalyst planned.

[MetalCargo999]

Vox Doom wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

ilComico wrote...

I have one question, but i'm not sure if it is OT:
Does anyone know what the leaked script endind included?

At this point I really want to know that

I second that - I have no idea what it was supposed to be.

And is this the same as the original outline of the trilogy that was put together by Drew KarpyshIcantspellhisname? If not, does anyone know what was supposed to happen in that. I heard ME2 was also radically different in that.

It was pretty much the same.

And Drew's ending had the Reapers trying to create a human reaper because it was the only way to stop the universe from being destroyed by the dark energy that powers the mass effect fields which is expanding at a stupidly fast rate.  Remember the star in ME2 that is older than it should be?  Yeah, that's what the reapers are trying to stop.

You could decide to let them go ahead with their plan or tell them no, that the young races would find another way to stop it.

A lot better, in my opinion, but I still prefer the idea that Reapers are simply harvesting to create more Reapers.

HOW IS THIS NOT IN THE ACTUAL GAME.  I really have to stop lurking on this forum.  It just makes me more depressed...

[MetalCargo999]

For crying out loud... the game is called MASS EFFECT. It woulda been perfect....

[Yorgsogoth]

MetalCargo999 wrote...

Vox Doom wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

ilComico wrote...

I have one question, but i'm not sure if it is OT:
Does anyone know what the leaked script endind included?

At this point I really want to know that

I second that - I have no idea what it was supposed to be.

And is this the same as the original outline of the trilogy that was put together by Drew KarpyshIcantspellhisname? If not, does anyone know what was supposed to happen in that. I heard ME2 was also radically different in that.

It was pretty much the same.

And Drew's ending had the Reapers trying to create a human reaper because it was the only way to stop the universe from being destroyed by the dark energy that powers the mass effect fields which is expanding at a stupidly fast rate.  Remember the star in ME2 that is older than it should be?  Yeah, that's what the reapers are trying to stop.

You could decide to let them go ahead with their plan or tell them no, that the young races would find another way to stop it.

A lot better, in my opinion, but I still prefer the idea that Reapers are simply harvesting to create more Reapers.

HOW IS THIS NOT IN THE ACTUAL GAME.  I really have to stop lurking on this forum.  It just makes me more depressed...

Because that actually be a decent plot twist...like revan in kotor or the nature of the grey warden in DA.

[alx119]

vandoug wrote...

I like the ending BW implemented in ME3. The main course of ME trilogy is about how Shepard founds out the Reaper threat, strives along the way, and finally ends the 50000 year civilization extinction cycle. The current ending closes it up nicely in this regard. The only improvement I can think of is to add another option to the end: a conditioned Peace/Coexistence, which is suggested by Shepard rather than the Catalyst. Doing so allows Shepard to challenge the Catalyst's mindset, and prove his theory about chaos is unsound as creators and "createes" do not necessarily have inherent fundamental contradictions. This option perfectly fits Shepard's character - a warrior against the fate. Of course, it has to have something to do with the Crucible as it's the main tool to end the crisis. That's where the condition part can fit in.

I also think the mass relays destruction part is a nice touch to the ending. Think about it: Such an epic feat - ending the 50000 year civilizations extinction cycle demands such price. It's totally reasonable and acceptable. Don't forget, giving some time, civilizations will reconnect themselves by any means for sure.

Except in arrival we were shown how destroying a Mass Relay pretty much destroys the entire system. Which makes the casualties too high to repopulate or survive. Not to mention, pretty much all life lived near Relays :x 

[Leem_0001]

Just had a read through the reviews ME3 has gotten on Amazon.

A lot of people said polls on these forums that show the majority to be unhappy are biased. So are the Amazon review biased? Especially when comparing to the first too. The amount of people who mention the endings being bad, even those who give it 4/5 stars, is overwhelming.

And to think back to the days of ME1, when that stupid author took to Fox News to bash ME without playing it, saying it promoted sleeping around (someone even said Debbie Does Dallas in Space). Remember the fans of Bioware taking to Amazon to trash her book, without reading it, to defend what that loved.

Weird to think Bioware are not feeling that for being just as lazy as that woman was.

Depressing....

[Vox Doom]

Leem_0001 wrote...

Vox Doom wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

ilComico wrote...

I have one question, but i'm not sure if it is OT:
Does anyone know what the leaked script endind included?

At this point I really want to know that

I second that - I have no idea what it was supposed to be.

And is this the same as the original outline of the trilogy that was put together by Drew KarpyshIcantspellhisname? If not, does anyone know what was supposed to happen in that. I heard ME2 was also radically different in that.

It was pretty much the same.

And Drew's ending had the Reapers trying to create a human reaper because it was the only way to stop the universe from being destroyed by the dark energy that powers the mass effect fields which is expanding at a stupidly fast rate.  Remember the star in ME2 that is older than it should be?  Yeah, that's what the reapers are trying to stop.

You could decide to let them go ahead with their plan or tell them no, that the young races would find another way to stop it.

A lot better, in my opinion, but I still prefer the idea that Reapers are simply harvesting to create more Reapers.

Thanks for the info, appreciate it. To clarify - the Reapers are taking time out from the cycle to stop this star that Tali spoke about in ME2? And the expansion of Dark Energy? Not sure how a human Reaper would do that. Still, sounds interesting and would like to see the idea fleshed out, but I'm with you, I prefer the Harvesting idea.

If only the synthetics weren't harvesting organics to protect them from synthetics. And Star Child was nowhere in sight lol

The original race who became Harbinger discovered that dark energy was expanding and would soon cause the universe to basically die.  They became Harbinger to try and slow down this process whilst looking for a solution.  There's more detail in there but the basic jist is that they are the ultimate Renegades, killing trillions to try to save the universe in the long run.

Apparently the human Reaper would have been the only thing that could actually have stopped it.

[Yorgsogoth]

I wasn't expecting a detailed epilogue like the fallout series does, but at least give us something other then "magic space light makes giant robo space squid go away and everything is happy forever".

[McGrzegorz]

Aravius wrote...

wolfeye7 wrote...

I am sure this link has already been posted, but please, this man deserves your attention: www.youtube.com/watch

Bioware - HIRE THIS MAN! I will pay good money for this DLC!

If something along this line would have happened, ME3 would have been stellar. Now I'm left with an excellent game, where the last 10 minutes ruin it for me.

To say the endings were disappointing, does not even describe it in words for me.

At first I thought people are overreacting about the ending so I just stayed silent and enjoy my adventure with ME3. Then I hit the end and…

The game is GREAT up to the final 20 minutes… Then all the logic and legacy of ME1 and ME2 is lost…
I'm really sad that whole idea of Dark Matter and Dark Energy was abandoned, choices during ME1/ME2 don't really matter...

I could write another lengthy post but I think all I wanted to say you can find in the video (link above)…

[Archonsg]

I would accept the indoctrination theory except for two things. First is game / plot centric and that is as is, ALL you are given are three choices. All 3 choices involves Shepard surrendering his will, he blindly accepts the choices given to him. I am sorry, but if you want to buy into this theory you have to then accept that Shepard, than, alive or not Shepard is gone. There was no fourth choice.

The fact is, Bioware gave us such a craptastic ending, even one that is so convoluted as the Indoctrination Theory is preferred. But you guys have to realize that they still would have to "re-write" the whole London thing and now come up with how to deal with a compromised (and in my opinion) unplayable Shepard. Because he Surrendered his will.
Even if they were to add a "fourth" option via DLC, this still does not negate the fact that Shepard is compromised and now is not fit to remain in the role of the lead or playable character since his EVERY action thereafter is in question.

Better that since Bioware needs to re-write London anyways, for them to just come clean and say "we were wrong and FUBAR the ending, here's a new one where Shepard's choices counts, your companions count, your deeds and actions count and by god, an epilogue worthy of the epic that the Mass Effect series is, an epilogue to say "This was / is your Shepard and his/her achievements, thank you for playing and supporting the series." Asking for less, and accepting the current ending in any form is a disservice to yourself and those who see this for what it is, an incomplete product.

Modifié par Archonsg, 19 mars 2012 - 09:52 .

[Flawed Project]

 First off all - BioWare, I've been a huge fan since Baldur's Gate 2 and have bought, played and enjoyed every game and expansion from you since that point. You are my favorite gaming company, by far. The Mass Effect triology is no exeption. I loved every minute of it.
So take that positive feedback with you, and don't let some of the harsh comment in this topic (and elsewhere) get you down.

That said, the ending in ME3 was for me very lacklusting and left a bittersweet taste in my mouth. The ending itself is not bad. Not bad at all, in my opinion. It's a bold, sad ending which leaves a lot speculation and conception of the story for the player. And I'm the kind of guy that usually like those kind of endings.But not for ME3. It's a horrible ending for this triology. And while most have been explained before in this post by people with far better writing skills than me, I still want to point out two main reasons as to why I don't like the ending.

1: Nothing you've done in ME1, ME2 and ME3 matters at all in the end. You are given 3 choises, and that's it. I would like to see more of an impact on the ending depending on your journey there.

2: Closure. Over 5 years I've grown attatched to characters and crew members in your beautiful universe. I would like to see a real closure that explain what happens after. How did my choises impact the galaxy etc.

So, yeah. You are doing fantastic games and I hope you will continue to create them, but please consider a DLC or something that provides some of our wishes, please.

Modifié par Flawed Project, 19 mars 2012 - 09:47 .

[Ariaya]

"I'm Garrus Vakarian and this is my favorite spot on the citadel!"

Thane's prayer for Shepard. That was really beautiful.

I like that you humanized Shepard in ME3. She felt more three-dimensional.

The fall of Thessia was done very well. Extremely sad. I loved the moment when Shepard came back and she just couldn't bring herself to talk to the Asari councillor right away. It was a very real moment.

Conrad Verner's "heroics."

Shepard's goodbye to Garrus. In fact, the entire Garrus-Shepard romance was amazing.

The Geth/ Quarian conflict was a terrific sequence.

Loved most of the game; hated the ending.

[spartan3175]

Well,  I'm not sure if this message will be read or even considered, but I feel an urge to say a few words.
First of all I would like to thank BioWare for all the work, all the efforts to give us something unforgettable they've done - I really appreciate this, so do a lot of fans and common players do. Really, thank every employee involved in this project.
But...Completing the ME3 I was shocked and trying to find a mere logical bonds between  all of the 3 parts and the very ending of the game(I mean all of endings). Even though there are many arguments and facts that proves the nonsenseness of the endgame I think I found another major hole in the plot. Not that  I'm proud of - just wnat to share my opinion and make some logical conclusions.
So, as we all remember in ME1 we found out that there was a mass relay on Ilos leading straight to the Citadel. To be short - it has been built by the Protheans in secret from the Reapers. They somehow succeded to prevent the Citadel from being a mass relay for Reapers etc. Shepard stops Saren and Sovereign, continues to insult the Council with the truth about the Reapers
(or lets them die:) ), ending dead in a space. Then Cerberus, then Collector base, etc etc. At last he's on the Citadel, trying to activate the Crucible. And suddenly some kind of a godlike entity appears like a piano in the bushes, like deus ex machina... And claims that Citadel is HIS home and the Reapers are his solutions. That's incredibly wierd. Why? Remember the Ilos. The Protheans, who made a backdoor to the Citadel, overwrote its protocols.... By the Force, he's an owner of the Citadel. Not sure if the Catalyst is creator, but still - he runs this place like Aria runs Afterlife on Omega and no one dares to fork with her! So how can this superior intellect just let a small team of cockroach-like lifeforms to change Citadels primary function???? It makes no sense!
I'd rather believe that Shepard is indoctrinated or drunk with the Rynkol or whatever, but that some godlike entity had dramatically screwed up.

P.S.: Sorry for my bad English - I had no practice in it for a couple of years.)