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[Twinzam.V]

szale9001 wrote...

I'm not sure if something similar has been posted but I got bored and made this lol
 

Bioware if you cant get 34% of output call Garrus. Hes even capable of draw more power.

[ME_Girl]

Bioware, I’m not a hard core gamer, but I’ve played all 3 ME, both DA and TOR (ME1 and Origins 2 times). Having people like me count days till your next release is what gets you ahead of others. However, I’m not good at shooting and running, and I do find my power wheel very useful, so I don’t feel comfortable playing the multiplayer. Don’t punish me for that! I want to be able to get any ending (working harder for that is ok), even if I don’t play the multiplayer. Don’t get me wrong, having the multiplayer option is good, but please stay true to your loyal audience and make the single player in your games (even the TOR) self-sufficient!

[HouseOfCrows]

Chris Priestly wrote...



We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that
we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome
here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we
can.



In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you
loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has
given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games.
What was your favorite moment? 

I posted part of this on the review thread already but I figured I could
share my opinion on the end here as well. So here it goes.

I love this game, I really do, the majority of it was so well done but the two
things that really weren't
well done for me were really huge, glaringly obvious things that it's very hard
to ignore. These two things would be the ending, of course, and the fact that
so much of the dialogue and consequent decision making (even about little
things, like what Shepard should say in response to a team mate’s question) was
taken out of the player's hands, maybe not completely, but there was so much
less of it in this third installment than in the past two games. But, really,
I'm not here to talk about the decision making (I already talked about
that on the review thread), I'm here to talk about the ending. As much as I love
this game (and this entire series) I shouldn’t have to force myself to play
through it for the good parts, trying to ignore that I no longer have enough of
a say in what is coming out of my Shepard’s mouth or that I will inevitably
come to that train wreck of an ending. I honestly don’t even know if I even can
play that far into the game again (though I am trying just, as I've said,
I don't feel like I should have to force myself to play a game that should
be amazing and fun for me to play all the way through). But not only was the
ending so poorly written that it left, not only myself, but as I’ve read online
the majority of the fan base confused, but it also left us with no closure. I
didn’t go into this game expecting a happy ending, of course, there was always
that reality that Shepard was probably going to die. And that’s fine with me,
honestly, I don’t need a happy ending. I just at least want the ending to make
sense and be properly explained. I want all of the decisions that I’ve made
from every game (including this one) to make some sort of difference. I don’t
want practically identical endings regardless of whatever decisions you may
have made. I want my selfish, renegade Shepard to have a choice to save
himself, being too self-concerned to sacrifice himself, regardless of the cost
to everyone else. I like the idea of my paragon Shepard sacrificing themselves
to save all that they can, but I want for it to actually make sense that that
is what they’re doing and in what capacity they are saving others. I also want
there to be a choice to do none of the above and refuse to play along with the
Catalyst’s game. I want Shepard to go down fighting, trying to rid the world of
the Reapers, even if he or she ultimately fails. All that I want is an ending
that ultimately brings closure. Something that actually factors in all my
choices and isn’t the exact same ending for every person (or at least an ending
that is different depending on your overall military strength). I don’t even
ask that you completely change the ending, I just want more choices to factor
into it, I want more of an explanation of what is going on, I want to be able
to choose more than just those three paths, each one ending identically. I want
an ending befitting of each and every one of my Shepards (I have six of them),
as different as they all are, they deserve equally unique endings.

I honestly feel bad because this game could have been amazing,
it could have been great, it was so close[/i].
But the two things that really bother me in this game are two really big,
horribly-done things that should never have happened. I know that the
development team for Mass Effect actually looks here. Please take what I say
into account as you think of ways to improve the game (I’m assuming all
improvements will be DLC that you will release in the future? Please keep us
posted on that as well). I hope that I was of some help. I know that this is
just my opinion but this is very, very important to me. I’ve really invested a
lot into these games, this is one of my favorite series’ and I’d like for it to
stay that way. Just, as I’ve said, I’m finding it harder and harder to play
through this game again knowing that my Shepard’s speech and actions will not
always be dictated by me and knowing that I will inevitably come upon the
underdeveloped ending. Again, I hope that I helped.

As for what my favorite part of the series so far has been I really can’t
choose just one. There have been so many fantastic parts in each game, all of
them wonderfully written and executed. In ME3 some of my favorite moments were
the Quarian-Geth conflict (that entire story arc was just amazing, the same
goes for the Turian-Krogan-Salarian arc, especially[/i]
the entire ‘Cure the Genophage’ mission, simply amazing and powerful. I’ll be
the first to admit that I cried my eyes out by the end of it.) I also loved
reuniting with Grunt (he’ll always be one of my favorites) and Jack (especially
when my Shepard was in a romance with her, that reunion went exactly how I’d
always hoped it would). Speaking of, from what I’ve witnessed so far BioWare
has done an absolutely fantastic job with the romances in ME3 and I’m very
glad. I think we’re all too emotionally invested in our respective romances now
so I’m very glad that those were done as well as they were. I would almost say
that they’re done perfectly, actually (at least the ones with Jack and Garrus,
I can’t say about any of the other ones yet). Speaking of Garrus, another of my
favorite ME3 moments was hanging out at the top of the Presidium shooting
bottles with him. As a friendship and as a romance that was just so perfectly
written, I really felt like Garrus actually was[/i]
my best friend/boyfriend and everything was exactly as it should be. It was an
amazing heartwarming moment in a game where moments like those were few and far
between (due to the war, that’s completely understandable). As I’ve said, for
the series overall it’s impossible to just choose a few favorite parts, but
those are some of my favorites from the third game.

Modifié par HouseOfCrows, 19 mars 2012 - 11:30 .

[Apocaleepse360]

Chrisimo wrote...

Apocaleepse360 wrote...
Because a thread titled "post about how good our game is here" would be a bit big-headed of Bioware, wouldn't you think? I don't even see what the big deal is here, we're still getting our point across, aren't we?

The thread title could just as well have been "What did you like about ME3?"

And no, we are not getting our point across. That is my point. I apologize for being unclear. As I said, I am not a native speaker.
I will try to rephrase my point:

If you post positive things in connection to something that you don't like you still create a positve association to that bad thing and make it less bad. It is psychology. And PR knows how to use that to their advantage.

I'm sure you have been in situations where you felt bad about something and then someone said:"But look at the positive sides". Why should you do that? Because it let's you forget about what is bad.

Good point. Sometimes I forget that I am talking to a business here xD

Still, I didn't want to sound like those people who are like "your game sucks because of the ending".

[FreshRevenge]

My problems with the endings is that I didn't feel that I really had a choice. The choices were given by some Starchlld that said pretty much this is it and there is nothing you can do about it! I feel my Shepard would not of chosen any of the choices that was presented.

I never wanted to control the reapers, I never wanted to change my DNA for every species. I did want to destroy the reapers but without screwing every civilization to doom by destroying the Mass relays, that if apparently the "Arrival" content was accurate would destroy the system! Everything thing went from being logical to illogical in a matter of minutes.

The game is awesome but the introduction of the Starchild at the end just creates more confusion and leaves the ending hopeless! I really hope you guys and girls at BioWare are working on a ending that is more logical!

[Twinzam.V]

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

Chrisimo wrote...

Apocaleepse360 wrote...
Because a thread titled "post about how good our game is here" would be a bit big-headed of Bioware, wouldn't you think? I don't even see what the big deal is here, we're still getting our point across, aren't we?

The thread title could just as well have been "What did you like about ME3?"

And no, we are not getting our point across. That is my point. I apologize for being unclear. As I said, I am not a native speaker.
I will try to rephrase my point:

If you post positive things in connection to something that you don't like you still create a positve association to that bad thing and make it less bad. It is psychology. And PR knows how to use that to their advantage.

I'm sure you have been in situations where you felt bad about something and then someone said:"But look at the positive sides". Why should you do that? Because it let's you forget about what is bad.

Good point. Sometimes I forget that I am talking to a business here xD

Still, I didn't want to sound like those people who are like "your game sucks because of the ending".

The game doesnt suck because of the ending. The game sucks because the ending completely obliterates the enjoyment you had till that point. I could fell the joy of playing the most badass game ever made being sucked out, each second i was watching the last 5 minutes.
Remove the ending and is an awesome game.

Modifié par Twinzam.V, 19 mars 2012 - 11:36 .

[Omnike]

Twinzam.V wrote...

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

Chrisimo wrote...

Apocaleepse360 wrote...
Because a thread titled "post about how good our game is here" would be a bit big-headed of Bioware, wouldn't you think? I don't even see what the big deal is here, we're still getting our point across, aren't we?

The thread title could just as well have been "What did you like about ME3?"

And no, we are not getting our point across. That is my point. I apologize for being unclear. As I said, I am not a native speaker.
I will try to rephrase my point:

If you post positive things in connection to something that you don't like you still create a positve association to that bad thing and make it less bad. It is psychology. And PR knows how to use that to their advantage.

I'm sure you have been in situations where you felt bad about something and then someone said:"But look at the positive sides". Why should you do that? Because it let's you forget about what is bad.

Good point. Sometimes I forget that I am talking to a business here xD

Still, I didn't want to sound like those people who are like "your game sucks because of the ending".

The game doesnt suck because of the ending. The game sucks because the ending completely obliterates the enjoyment you had till that point. I could fell the joy of playing the most badass game ever made being sucked out, each second i was watching the last 5 minutes.
Remove the ending and is an awesome game.

So, in other words, the game sucks because of the ending.....

[Damien Nightwind]

I'm just curious, if Bioware is "listening" to threads like this, are they also paying attention to the polls that people create?

[Chrisimo]

Apocaleepse360 wrote...
Good point. Sometimes I forget that I am talking to a business here xD

Yes, exactly. The Bioware Employees themselves are people like the rest of us who may even share our concerns in private. But Bioware is not a person. And the employees are not allowed to act on their private wishes in their role as employees.

Still, I didn't want to sound like those people who are like "your game sucks because of the ending".

I know what you mean. I actually feel a bit bad about posting here in this thread, telling people not to write positive things. But when I think about the tactic that is employed by Bioware here, I need to do that.

Modifié par Chrisimo, 19 mars 2012 - 11:45 .

[Jassarius]

 
First I just want to appreciate all of the work you've all done and the awesome experience you have all created! Thank you sincerely for one of the best entertainment experiences I've had to pleasure to experience.

The problem Bioware, is that you have succeed. You have made me feel. You have made me care. And I do. I love my Shepards. They give me a warm fuzzy feeling. Like watching my creation. I love the characters, I love the races, I love the lore, I love all of it.

The upside is that we have a perfect relationship Bioware- you and I. We have the perfect relationship because I want to give you money in exchange for the awesome world you are creating and you want to get paid for creating an awesome world.
In terms of the ending I just want to see how all my interactions with the characters and choices I made along my journey with them impacted them in the end. I wanted to see how I've changed these characters, how my choices and investment mattered to them. I want to see how my Shepard was important- reflected through the eyes of the characters he/she loved with, lived with and fought with.

I felt that the dev team touched on this very successfully in moments during the game. Especially with Jack, how she showed that she had come to trust Shepard and trust herself and had grown because of my time with her/him.
Another moment that was so close and I was so excited for was lost: when Liara (my LI and fav character) said she wanted to share memories with me. I was so excited to see her look back on her life and her time with me and share how she had grown and become more, finding herself and developing into the beautiful blue creature that I love today. Instead that was faded over.

For myself I could care less about hours and hours of combat, not that I want it all gone, but I could play an FPS if that was what I really wanted. Also I’m not interested in playing through tons of errands. I want to play a game where I'm doing something amazing and outside my normal day with amazing characters.


Coming back to the ending: I want to see the impact of my game time on the world/characters I lived with, cried with and died for.

I want to see Garrus drinking on the beach reminiscing on Shepard's Sacrifice. Something like (but more amazing):

Garrus: *Looking down* "Shepard. You son of ****. You were supposed to be here.... (pause)

(Sighs) *looks up into sunset* "Thank you. For everything, Shepard. You did so much more than save the galaxy from the Reapers, you found the best in all of us. We survived because we found the best in us and we fought for it. You brought that out....in all of us...in me. We are all greater for knowing you. (pause).

"This is for you." *raises drink* *drinks* *pours rest into the ocean* "You were something special and you will be remembered. I will make sure you are remembered." *Camera pans out into Ocean full of smoking Reaper remains.

I want to see Liara crying over Sheperd's sacrifice:

Liara (or other LI) stands holding a piece of Shepard's armor.
Liara: *Tears well* "This isn't the end Shepard." "I'm not going to say goodbye." *Tears streak* *Rubs corner of Armor piece* "I'm not going to say goodbye, because you aren't gone." “You can’t be gone.” "You'll never be gone."
*tears streaming* "You'll live on in us."
*trembling sigh* *looks around smoking ruins of earth* "You’ll live on all of us.”
*places hand on tummy indicatively.* “You’ve live on in me.”
*wipes tears* "I love you Shepard…I will always..." *clutches armor piece to chest* "...love you."

Squadmate wraps arm around her and walks her off stage. *que awesome instrumental*


TL/DR:
Regardless of whether the ending was indoctrination and DLC provides a continuing final mission and the Reapers are stopped in another way and Shepard lives.
I want to see Shepard’s specific and detailed impact on the Galaxy and the characters that I love. I want to see the Turians and Solarians high fiving, I want to see Garrus and Tali remembering our journey together and I want to see Liara rub her pregnant tummy. And I want to etch those images with a warm fuzzy feeling into my memory. I want to look back and remember when I saved the galaxy and loved my crew.
I want what was started before the last leg of the final mission when you go around and talk to your crew in the HQ,I just want much more. And I would gladly pay $10-100 dollars for it.

Thank you!

Modifié par Jassarius, 20 mars 2012 - 01:17 .

[MDT1]

Damien Nightwind wrote...

I'm just curious, if Bioware is "listening" to threads like this, are they also paying attention to the polls that people create?

Sure.

When it comes down to business in the end they have to calculate with which further action they can make more money.

And while I can understand why lets say a creator might feel hurt about the retake mass effect movement, on the business level it only bothers them if it costs them sales. But except for the lost sales it is still valuable data to base your next decisions on. Would you think in the long run they'd prefer it if noboday complains but people suddenly stop to by further products without any explanation?

Modifié par MDT1, 19 mars 2012 - 11:49 .

[Exsilium]

Just finished the game 30 minutes ago... and as hard as I try... I can't comprehend why they did the ending the way they did. Unless they have a real ending hidden somewhere in a form of DLC that they want to make sure that everyone will buy. Amazing.

[ofs ovafragga]

chrisimo wrote
[/quote]

This is a thread specifically about the bad endings. If they wanted to hear positive things they could make a thread for that!

Why don't they the create a thread for that? Because they want to create positive associations to the endings.



[/quote]
Because a thread titled "post about how good our game is here" would be a bit big-headed of Bioware, wouldn't you think? I don't even see what the big deal is here, we're still getting our point across, aren't we?


___________________________________________________________________________________

yeah, well said.
And for me the end ruined the gameing experience of Mass Effect. There is no positive association to the end. 
Normaly I do not write in forums, but after finishing Mass Effect 3 I couldn't stay silent. 

There are no words to express how desperately dissapointed I am. 

And if there is nothing done about the end I will not forget to remember it in the future when there's the question what game I should buy.

Hold the Line

Modifié par ofs ovafragga, 19 mars 2012 - 11:59 .

[Damien Nightwind]

MDT1 wrote...

Damien Nightwind wrote...

I'm just curious, if Bioware is "listening" to threads like this, are they also paying attention to the polls that people create?

Sure.

When it comes down to business in the end they have to calculate with which further action they can make more money.

And while I can understand why lets say a creator might feel hurt about the retake mass effect movement, on the business level it only bothers them if it costs them sales. But except for the lost sales it is still valuable data to base your next decisions on. Would you think in the long run they'd prefer it if noboday complains but people suddenly stop to by further products without any explanation?

Actually no, i hope they are listening to these posts. They do make good games, so i would hate to see them go under just because they made a few horrible decisions. (Though i think the longer they make people wait before they solve this problem, they worse it will be for them. And hiding behind the "we want to let more people experience the game first" excuse isnt going to cut it.)

[sloppyeric]

This is the last mass effect game you nimrods at least shepards story if anything they should make a game based on the krogan rebellions or rachni wars. Either way How are tw endings bad or the same all people keep is is "joker this joker that" or "why is a kid the one controlling the reapers". Okay yeah they dont give a lot of info at the end but the kid explains your choices. You ask him questions he answers I don't know what you ask him I haven't gotten to it in my second play through. Look at it from shepards view why should he sit there and listen to this "god" when he could save the universe...... Again. He needed to act now his friends and allies were getting blown to pieces. What's the big deal of all the endings are the same from what I've heard mass effect 2 had the same endings just different actions still resulted in the same thing just slightly different you would either blow up the base or kill the collectors on it. You also stop working with cerberus either the illusive man gets mad at your or you get mad at him. This is the last game people the ending should be almost the same. But I do agree on some thing yeah they should have told you what happened to your crew and the other species and gave more info that's about it. But is the ending that bad? Was mass effect 1 ending great and amazing? I think the ending could have had more info that's about it other then that it was good and had a good feeling too it that I did it saved the universe...... Again

[Horned Angel]

Amazing game, absolutely awe inspiring, and would have been remembered as such even if it had ended at the Shepard Anderson side-by-side scene. As many have said, the star-child scene did nothing but tear down this impression, destroying the impressive lore and themes of the Mass Effect universe and completely negating all the moving events and relationships built therein. The only thing I appreciated of the final scene was Shepard's sacrifice itself (Paragon ending), a truly touching moment that honestly made me shed many manly tears and quite a few unmanly ones.

That catharsis was quickly abolished by the unavoidable, apocalyptic destruction of the Mass Relays (which at the very least sets galactic civilization back a couple centuries if not destroys it altogether, making the alliances and goodwill you forged across the galaxy all for naught) and the absolutely random fleeing Normandy scene (which I guess was thrown in there as an attempt to placate those that wanted their team to live no matter how little sense it made).

I honestly can't guess at the motivations of the writers to include this 5-minute-long dream destroyer, but I will add my voice to the cry for a fix, even it as simple as cutting it off at the Shepard-Anderson scene and adding an epilogue that varies based on choices, EMS, relationships, etc. Do what you can Bioware. I've played and loved every game you guys have put out since Neverwinter Nights, I know you can do better than this.

[jeweledleah]

Paulomedi wrote...

Just to clarify a thing: we all LOVE Mass Effect. In fact, if it was any other game, people wouldn't bother to come here to complain. They would move on with their lives, don't buy from Bioware anymore and call it a day.

We are doing this BECAUSE we still have hope for this franchise.

this

[i8nemo]

I will say that I loved Mass Effect,
all of it. I've played each of the 3 titles to completion, with
several characters each. I love how decisions, innocuous little
decisions, have far reaching and interesting impact.



Favorite moments- Tali Romance for the
win! Wrex lives to be a badass leader of his people. Mordin, all of
Mordin. Joker and the robot overlords. Legion's beginning and end.
That crazy AI from Luna base we all know and love. The ability to
grandstand a reporter on their own show and then throw a mercenary
out a window. Reuniting Liara with her Father! The games offer
hundreds of awesome, epic moments.



I have most enjoyed how Bioware has
improved and improved on the mechanics and performance of the engine
Mass Effect uses. The story has always been awesome, and Bioware has
always improved the game in each iteration.



That being said, I am somewhat
disappointed in the ending of the series. I agree with the stylistic
choices made in the 3 (or 4) endings. They were epic, especially the synthesis option. BUT, Shepard still deserves a chance at a happy
ending. One in which they don't have to commit genocide to live,
ESPECIALLY if your Shep has been the super awesome negotiator and
peacemaker that has ended wars centuries or millennium in the making and saved multiple species from extinction.
I mean, If my Shepard has walking talking proof that organics and
synthetics can set aside differences, live and love together, why
can't I tell the Reapers their calculations and cycles might be
wrong.



Hell, they have the power to steal
whole worlds and biomes for safekeeping if they wanted. Why not grab
and Ark or two, then see how our cycle continues to develop. They can
always reseed if things don't pan out.



They are pretty patient and immortal
after all.

[Archonsg]

@sloppyeric Because the ending as is means that the galaxy is blown to bits?

Refer to my post here:

http://social.biowar...ex/10098213/133

Details the physics and nature of explosions, Novas and the relation of energy discharge of both.

If anyone can come up with a better physics model to discount it, I am all ears.

Modifié par Archonsg, 20 mars 2012 - 02:12 .

[dpgimenez]

When I saw the ending, I started to cry.

Then, I got so angry that I could kill the people responsible for that if they were near me.

Then I got calm. I finally understood the deep philosofical meaning behind the ending: no matter what you do, you life will be miserable. The universe sucks. Live with it.

[Virtual_VanGogh]

Chris,

For all of the creative and innovative moments within this game and the series entire, my "favorite Mass Effect moment" hasn't happened yet.  Give me a happy ending, my crew, my Shepherd with a pulse and little blue children -- then we'll talk favorite moments...

Anything that has happened before, no matter how amazing, was made moot by the poor ending choices of ME 3.  Then again, you guys should know this.  It is a central lesson in narrative and story construction -- the end IS the beginning.

I only have 2 more years before earning my Master of Fine Arts in Screenwriting at UCLA, consider this me offering my services for the future.

[Omnike]

dpgimenez wrote...

When I saw the ending, I started to cry.

Then, I got so angry that I could kill the people responsible for that if they were near me.

Then I got calm. I finally understood the deep philosofical meaning behind the ending: no matter what you do, you life will be miserable. The universe sucks. Live with it.

No... this is a terrible message to abruptly throw at loyal players after three games...

 

[sistersafetypin]

this post was just a test to see if something was wrong with my account, carry on

Modifié par sistersafetypin, 20 mars 2012 - 12:11 .

[strifeseh01]

My favorite moment of the game was finally being able to hook my male shep up with Kaidan! Wish there had been more conversation/scene moments with the two, the ones that are available are awesome though.

Overall I loved the game until the ending, would really like to see an ending where shep lives and is together with their crew/LI, some actual answers as to the reapers (who created them and such), and more closure as to what happens to the races that survived and fought with you.