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[gadenp]

gadenp wrote...

Scattaclysm wrote...

I for one loved the middle-ground ending (brave new world), the choice at the end of how to reorder the 'gods' was one of the greatest I have ever had in a video game. I think I stood there for a good 10 minutes deciding as they all had a sacrifice attached to them (admittedly, I thought the middle ground ending would kill everyone and re-invent life, the actual sacrifice I ended up making with tiny).

Beautiful.

Aside from that, even if I hadn't liked it, I would never demand the team behind the game change the art that they have made. You don't demand a new final song on an album, you just don't buy it if you don't like it, and people don't try to sue painters for using oil over pen. This whole she-bang sickens me, but that's just my two cents.

Painters that do not cater to their patrons do not get jobs that pay. Painters keep on redoing their paintings till a studio thinks that the painting is good enough for people to buy. Or if their patron is satisfied, else no pay.

Singers that write bad songs, that majority people do not like, stay in their garage. Also please, most successful singers, usually demo their songs to a small audience to get their reaction and do the needed changes.

Story tellers that tell horrid stories, do not get published or get 1 stars on Amazon. Authors that write successfully series, do not shake the status quo. They write single novels for that. FYI, Mass Effect 3 is a series. Also successful authors try very hard not to intro characters especially villian at the last minute. Or break their own stories or lore 5 pages towards the ending.

Sorry pal, but in the end it is the consumer that decides. And I for one, and deciding by my voice and my wallet.

[canti212]

Oh and yes I have many gripes with what you call "endings" to say the least. But to spare any unlucky soul who reads this just more of the same I will leave it at that.

[Griffin12965]

I was gonna write a book to combat all the negative attention the ending’s been getting. I was going to site similar plots in movies and books arguing the finer points of how choice can only affect destiny/fate as much as small wind gusts moves skyscrapers. Instead I won’t waste my time trying to appeal to the pestilent, coddled children who are unhappy with the games' ending. I would rather spend my valuable time showing my love and support to Bioware for making the most emotionally impactful game series of our generation. You've got better character and plot lines then most Oscar winning movies and have managed to realize intergalactic space in its most accurate form to date. I have nothing but love and respect for your vision and I hope that EA and you guys make millions of dollars off these silver spoon-fed, self-appointed critics, if you decide to make a DLC ending change. Seriously charge like 20$. I'll always buy your games and support any creative venture you choose to partake in. Much love guys, be well and thanks again for the amazing experience that is Mass Effect!

[Jeitiiea]

I realize that I have now given up. All Bioware are saying is "we're listening" and the strong implication is "we're listening, but we're not changing a damn thing." I can't continue to beat my head against a brick wall here.

So as far as I'm concerned, what I saw was a hallucination and I'm writing my own ending that actually makes sense. And I am done with Bioware for good.

[gadenp]

http://www.psxextrem...news/10858.html

Another reviewer that does not get it. Is BW paying off the Media. Or are the gamer developers just running scared that consumers have more power then ever?

[Cody Neumeister]

First I have to say I've been a fan since the very first Mass Effect and this is my favorite video game series of all time and will always be. The Mass Effect series has been a big part of my life Mass Effect 1 was the very first role playing and M rated game I ever played. I remember I was 13 and the first Mass Effect came out. I loved anything to do with Sci Fi, books, movies, games, comics you name it and its Sci Fi I loved it. So imagine a 13 year old who loves video games and anything to do with Sci Fi walking into gamestop. Hes been hearing about this big Sci Fi game that had just came out and hes excited. He runs to the shelf's and grabs the game. He runs to his parents telling them he has the money can he please get it? They look at it and see that its M and say "I don't know its M". He begs and his parents break and allows him to get. The instant he gets home he pops it into his xbox and plays. He was loving the game so much he beats it within 2 weeks and then plays it 6 more times all in different ways. That was my Mass Effect 1 experience. I loved all the character especially Liara. Shes my favorite character and romance character. She helped me through puberty lol. Also this game got me into role playing games.


That is how big of a impact this series has been for me. The story in this series is by fare the best out of any role playing games I've ever played.(which has been a lot) One big thing I like about the series is that as you play it, it feels as if you are controlling the out come of a movie which is like the coolest feeling ever. I loved Mass Effect 3 but not as much as the first in the series but better then the second. I loved how you added people and talked about events that happened in the Mass Effect novels. It really helped show that even things that happened outside of the game can still effect the game series. It was really cool getting to see Grissom Academy, Kahlee Sanders, and Kai Leng. Also I love the emotion in the game and how things that even happened in ME 1 had an effect.


Mass Effect 3 was so good till you get to the end once you make your final decision. What happens after? I was hopping for a big exciting ending that showed what happened to everyone and everything after the destruction of the reapers. In my game I took Liara and Ashely to the final mission. But when we are trying to get beamed to the Citadel and the reaper attacks, what happened to them? Once I destroyed the reapers Joker crashes on some planet and out walks Liara and Tali. How did Liara get on the Normandy and where is Ashely? Did she die? Also what happened to my other crew members after the reapers died? Also what about everyone else I have learned to care for? Like Rex, Jack, Zaeed, Miranda, Samara, Jacob, Kasumi and anyone else I forgot. Then their is the case of the the destruction of the mass relays being destroyed how are all of the krogan, asari, salarian, and quarian suppose to get back to their home worlds. Rex has to get back to Tuchanka to be with Eve(cant remember her real name) and lead the krogan down the right path. Also I saw my Shepard survived the destruction of the Citadel but what happened after that?


These unanswered questions are what really disappointed me at the end of Mass Effect 3. To fix these you could of had a cut scenes of a group of solders helping the companions left on earth after Shepard was teleported to the Citadel and show them being taken to the Normandy. Right when Shepard gets teleported it goes into a loading screen after the loading screen the cut scene should have taken place. Also for the destruction of the reapers ending as the reapers are dieing we should have gotten kick glimpses of all companions and past companions and their reactions to the destruction of the reapers. Also with this ending we saw that Shepard survived so the ending would have been so good if we got to see Shepard being rescued by the alliance and all the other alien races. I could see them digging him out of the wreckage of the citadel and once hes free he get rushed to doctors. That's when your crew members could rush to you and you could get a emotional moment with your romance so for me that would be Liara. Also we need to see Shepard get praised by the council for saving the galaxy.


All of these thing would have made the ending of Mass Effect 3 so much better. These are the things the Mass Effect fans are asking for. So I'm hopping some Bioware employees will read this and will work on some DLC and expansion pack that will fix and add more to the ending. I personally will pay almost any amount for some DLC's and expansion packs that would add the things I listed. So Bioware please don't let Shepard's story end like this with all these unanswered questions. Please don't let your devoted fans down. Please don't let me down.

[theoldludwigvan]

Jeitiiea wrote...

I realize that I have now given up. All Bioware are saying is "we're listening" and the strong implication is "we're listening, but we're not changing a damn thing." I can't continue to beat my head against a brick wall here.

So as far as I'm concerned, what I saw was a hallucination and I'm writing my own ending that actually makes sense. And I am done with Bioware for good.

I feel ya. I've held off concocting a new ending until after the first true DLC (that is, if it isn't an ending I need to get to work). Not a good, storybook ending. Just one that makes sense.

[wsandista]

gadenp wrote...

gadenp wrote...

Scattaclysm wrote...

I for one loved the middle-ground ending (brave new world), the choice at the end of how to reorder the 'gods' was one of the greatest I have ever had in a video game. I think I stood there for a good 10 minutes deciding as they all had a sacrifice attached to them (admittedly, I thought the middle ground ending would kill everyone and re-invent life, the actual sacrifice I ended up making with tiny).

Beautiful.

Aside from that, even if I hadn't liked it, I would never demand the team behind the game change the art that they have made. You don't demand a new final song on an album, you just don't buy it if you don't like it, and people don't try to sue painters for using oil over pen. This whole she-bang sickens me, but that's just my two cents.

Painters that do not cater to their patrons do not get jobs that pay. Painters keep on redoing their paintings till a studio thinks that the painting is good enough for people to buy. Or if their patron is satisfied, else no pay.

Singers that write bad songs, that majority people do not like, stay in their garage. Also please, most successful singers, usually demo their songs to a small audience to get their reaction and do the needed changes.

Story tellers that tell horrid stories, do not get published or get 1 stars on Amazon. Authors that write successfully series, do not shake the status quo. They write single novels for that. FYI, Mass Effect 3 is a series. Also successful authors try very hard not to intro characters especially villian at the last minute. Or break their own stories or lore 5 pages towards the ending.

Sorry pal, but in the end it is the consumer that decides. And I for one, and deciding by my voice and my wallet.

Do painters invite their patrons to help them paint? Do musicians let their fans finish writing their songs? Do authors let readers decide the story?

Mass Effect is an interactive media where players are involved in the story process, and an RPG to boot which traditionally caters to players who want to forge their own story.

When the vast majority of fans bought ME3 that was marketed to players as a game where you make your own story, where each Shepard's path was unique. What the players recieved was a game where no matter what you do, the end result is always the same. Needless to say that was the opposite of what Bioware/EA customers were willing to pay for.

And so many of the disappointed ME fans will not by any DLC for ME3, or any Bioware titles until a new ending is released.

[theoldludwigvan]

I'm starting to feel angry about those who were outraged by the leaked script. To be fair I haven't read it, but from the synopses I've seen, it was a HELL of a lot better than the current ending.

[xFyre1]

wsandista wrote...

And so many of the disappointed ME fans will not buy any DLC for ME3, or any Bioware titles until a new ending is released.

Enough said. If fans don't find a reason to care, they won't have anything to drive them into investing more money and time on Mass Effect.

Modifié par xFyre1, 20 mars 2012 - 02:46 .

[FrankenPiggy]

Loved the bit with Mordin and the genophage, as well as the female Krogan. And the Tresher Maw. I guess all of Tuchanka, really.

Overall, I thought Mass Effect 3 was brilliant.

But, like many other players, I'd be lying if I said I was not disappointed with the end. After all that, I have three choices as to how my game ends regardless of the decisions I've made, and all three of which are nearly identical and non-descript?

I needn't go on, as my complaints are no different than most others. Just thought I'd throw my opinion in with the lot.

[Oxy Clean]

Griffin12965 wrote...

Instead I won’t waste my time trying to appeal to the pestilent, coddled children who are unhappy with the games' ending.!

"Ending" is the problem here, it should be "Endings" We're unhappy with the nonsensical plotholes that it provides, sure we'd like a happier ending. But even if we aren't provided with it, we at least want an ending that makes sense. As the current one does not, we aren't coddled children, your accusation that we are just proves how much you do not understand about the movement.

Good day sir/madam.

[theoldludwigvan]

Oxy Clean wrote...

Griffin12965 wrote...

Instead I won’t waste my time trying to appeal to the pestilent, coddled children who are unhappy with the games' ending.!

"Ending" is the problem here, it should be "Endings" We're unhappy with the nonsensical plotholes that it provides, sure we'd like a happier ending. But even if we aren't provided with it, we at least want an ending that makes sense. As the current one does not, we aren't coddled children, your accusation that we are just proves how much you do not understand about the movement.

Good day sir/madam.

GG

[wsandista]

gadenp wrote...

http://www.psxextrem...news/10858.html

Another reviewer that does not get it. Is BW paying off the Media. Or are the gamer developers just running scared that consumers have more power then ever?

Obviously the "gaming-press" sites all seem to have forgotten about Fallout 3 where the ending actually was retconned. If changing a games ending were a slipperyslope, would't we all have fallen by now?

[Doppelgaenger]

Paulomedi wrote...

Doppelgaenger wrote...

Dear Bioware team,


*snip*

By the ending I wish to see some day: Keelah se'lai

This must be sent to Bioware in form of a written letter.

I mailed it to their contact address but I a letter should be no problem.

[Deganis76]

And my favorite part of the game: The goodbyes to my squadmates. Saying goodbye to Garrus was tough...a lump caught in my throat. Sharing my last moment with Liara, where she places her head on my shoulder as we stare at the stars in her vision, that had me tearing up. Finally, when I said goodbye to Tali (my Shepard's love interest) and she proclaims, through tears, "if only we had more time" that is when my real tears started flowing. Never have I felt emotional attachment to video game characters such as these. In a word, an incredible experience. These heartfelt farewells (I had no illusion that Darien Shepard was coming out of this alive) was easily the most amazing moment for me of what I consider an incredible game.

[starscreamerx31]

I frankly dont care if their listening as i know they already know what we the fans want. Its on yahoo news, its on cnet and every major video game website. I want action.

[TaterPooh]

 I loved the part when the fleets were emerging from the Sol systems mass relay. With the Quarian and Geth fleets side by side. However the ending scene, not the entire ending but the explanation of things and the fact that choosing three common endings was a bad idea for me. I loved the other two mass effects where every ending was a little bit different.

[Oxy Clean]

Deganis76 wrote...

And my favorite part of the game: The goodbyes to my squadmates. Saying goodbye to Garrus was tough...a lump caught in my throat. Sharing my last moment with Liara, where she places her head on my shoulder as we stare at the stars in her vision, that had me tearing up. Finally, when I said goodbye to Tali (my Shepard's love interest) and she proclaims, through tears, "if only we had more time" that is when my real tears started flowing. Never have I felt emotional attachment to video game characters such as these. In a word, an incredible experience. These heartfelt farewells (I had no illusion that Darien Shepard was coming out of this alive) was easily the most amazing moment for me of what I consider an incredible game.

I cried my damn eyes out during the scene with Liara, and with Tali(Also my shepards love interest) It was the same.

I found myself saying "Shep better live to see these guys again, he deserves that much"

Look what I had in store for me...

[Svens Daerthe]

The best ending in Mass Effect Saga is... The Mass Effect 2 ending!

ME2 Perfect Paragon Ending :

A really genius part of storytelling! Music, Action, Intensity, all is at his best and Mass Effect 3 deserve an end as intense as these one! Actually, ME3 as the same effect on me as Battlestar Galactica! Very good storytelling but an end too much philosophic... But.. when i think about Battlestar Galactica, i always think about a GREAT TV Show,

It's the same for Mass Effect.

When you ran at the end with Harbringer in ME3, its really badass! But when you are "almost" kill (yes, Shepard live for me at the end ) and enter in indoctrination mode... boys! Bioware need to redone this to be really epic, and better explained

Why we dont see battle like those illustrated in the cinematic trailer ?

No hammerheads in game, no really BIG Fight with a whole army, no really EPICNESS in this game showing that we fight to take earth back! Mass Effect 3 Ending need a better storytelling taking care of all of our choices... yes... A true "taking earth back" Battle and not just a London rush killing all reaper in our road... Actually that is the true problem.

We dont really see the consequences of our acts made during the 3 games at the end... because all the Forces gathered and reunified for the final battle are just showed less than 5 minutes in a space cinematic...

- I saved the council in Mass Effect 1 => Oh great I can see during less than 5 second the Destiny Ascension in Mass Effect 3...! Very cool!!
- I save the Rachni Queen in Mass Effect 1 and she said that she will be here to help me in the future! Mmmm.... yes.. it's true... one line in my EMS explain that rachnis help to construct the crucible... well... ok... :x Fine..
- I have destroyed the collector base in Mass effect 2 => Hourra! I have a line in my EMS saying that i have a Reaper Heart now to help the crucible construction!! I am .. happy.....?

And so on... All our choices appeared by one line (or not) in the EMS... not very epic...

Okay, its true that in a story, the path leading to the end is the more important (think about lot of movies and books, with epicness things and ending very opened to lets you continue to imagine the end...) and for this, Mass effect do it very well.... and its true that the path leading to the end of mass effect change from players to players, because of all of our different choices.

Some people never see some characters returned, or have some part of story very different because of their choices and so on... but that the ending is the same for all of us is not a problem for me. All of our decision just change the path... And you all enjoy this I think! You have done like me a lot of time Mass Effect 1 and 2 just to see what change in the story, what happened if i say that and not that... But at the end, i think its normal to all have almost the same End (but not an End with just a final choice to change that!) Just a similar ending for all but with some changes taking care of important decision we made each one. And this is what we dont have right now.

Actually the end is too much philosophic in ME3 and not well directed compared to others endings form mass effect 1 and 2.

I am from people who think that the Indoctrination is not a "ending theory" and i really love to see that, in fact, my Shepard is only a simple human in whom indoctrinement is working...It seem very strange that all people in contact with reaper fell under control but not our hero... And I think it's really what developers wanted for ONE of the ending - note I say ONE of the ending... not all the ending - because too many clues in Mass Effect 2 and 3 lead to these particular end in fact... read your codex guys! Its not there just for fan! With the DLC "The Arrival" its become really confident that Shepard became to be under indoctrinement) So i am happy with that... but boys... we are not in The Matrix! The end of Mass Effect 3 is actually more close from 2001: A Space Odyssey because of all the debate it bring!!

Even if Shepard die at the end (Ultimate sacrifice is always a good ending) and even if the indoctrination is what developers want, I think that, to be happy, we just want a true and long ending showing what happened to all the systems, how the others races can come back to their homes without Mass Relays, what happened to Earth and our Shepard (if your lives!), what happen to the galaxy after these events (instead of a colored fireworks) and HOW finish our story ... but... maybe ...

...Mass Effect 3 is not really the end of the saga Mass Effect (Have you seen the words THE END before and after the end credit?.. not me! And this is a very important thing when you finish a story like that!) and the actual Mass Effect 3 ending lead to a.... Mass Effect 4 (or lot and lot of Mass Effect 3 DLC) wich will lead to the words.. "The End")!

Its not because they said that Mass Effect 3 will be the last schapter that they have not planned DLC to lead to the true end... it will be ME3 even with DLC and dont forget that DLC = $$$$ for EA/Bioware

(Ok i stop dreaming about that)

Modifié par Svens Daerthe, 20 mars 2012 - 03:04 .

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

Why, exactly, do things like this keep happening?

Chris Priestly just retweeted an article fromt he The Globe and Mail.

Here's the link: http://www.theglobea...article2373708/

Key parts of the article:

" It’s so beautiful that I can’t imagine ruining it for those yet to experience it. "

" Despite what you might read from irate fans, it is far from lazy or simple. It is complex and thought provoking."

" I truly hope that BioWare remains uninfluenced by fans’ protests. It’s rare to see an artist’s vision persist through the development of a major game series. Altering that vision based on audience response – which may or may not represent the majority of players (few would argue that the dissatisfied are much more likely to give voice to their grievances than the contented are to yell out their satisfaction) – would be a disservice to a medium still struggling for mainstream acceptance as an art form."


"Cmdr Owen Shepard ‏ @CmdrOwenShepard
· Open
@BioEvilChris Really Chris?"

"Chris Priestly ‏ @BioEvilChris
Close
@CmdrOwenShepard Yeah, really. This surprises you?"

...Cool, good job with that whole PR thing EA!

[Oxy Clean]

Svens Daerthe wrote...

...Mass Effect 3 is not really the end of the saga Mass Effect (Have you seen the words THE END before and after the end credit?.. not me! And this is a very important thing when you finish a story like that!) and the actual Mass Effect 3 ending lead to a.... Mass Effect 4 (or lot and lot of Mass Effect 3 DLC) wich will lead to the words.. "The End")!

Well...since it is a trilogy...and this is the third game...

It doesn't have to say THE END, for it to be the end...

[Abispa]

Just saying. He had an awesome VA.

[mopotter]

Jeitiiea wrote...

I realize that I have now given up. All Bioware are saying is "we're listening" and the strong implication is "we're listening, but we're not changing a damn thing." I can't continue to beat my head against a brick wall here.

So as far as I'm concerned, what I saw was a hallucination and I'm writing my own ending that actually makes sense. And I am done with Bioware for good.

I won't say I'm done with them for good, but I won't pre-order anything until it's out and I see what they have done.  I won't download any dlc for ME 3 without something being done with the endings, adding some and explaining others.  I'm extremely disapointed in what they did. 

[jtwillia]

All would be forgiven if you would post this:
"To our loyal fans and followers,
We at Bioware are indeed listening to your feedback and we understand that there is significant backlash against the ending we gave to Mass Effect 3 and to the saga of Commander Shepard. However, please understand there were many forces leading up to the decision to make the ending what it was.
The leaked demo of ME3 at the end of 2011 caused our initial ending to be revealed. After debate, we chose to change the ending so those who did see the spoilers would get a shocking and stunning new ending, one which we felt would give fans a sense of closure about Shepard and the Mass Effect universe, while also opening up new possibilities in the future. However, due to budget constraints, deadlines, and significant pushback from various sides, the new ending did not come to fruition as planned. Going back was not an option, so we therefore moved forward with the ending witnessed by millions of fans.
We now see this new ending was a mistake, and we apologize to all the fans. From the long-time, loyal fans who bought Baldur's Gate, to the new fans joining the Mass Effect universe for the first time. We hope you can stay with us and hold the line while we work on future DLC and a new ending, one which will indeed bring better closure, explanation, and a vision for the future of the Mass Effect universe.
So hold onto your copies of Mass Effect 3. Better days are coming and a brighter tomorrow is nearing. Just have faith in us again."