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[MetalCargo999]

AlucardXavier wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...

AlucardXavier wrote...

Bioware have been Indoctrinated, we must fix them via court case action.

NO NO NO!!!  bad idea.  don't go that route.  Very bad idea!  This is not a legal situation, and it makes us and our cause look petty. 

See the Indoctrinated bit............joke enough said.

Apparently, I am extremely gullible.  sorry...

[JaylaClark]

I can't recall if I DID mention my favorite moments yet in this thread like the Priest suggested.

Okay, to be fair, here they are:

• Meeting Liara again.
• Pretending I heard 'months' instead of 'years' out of her mouth
• Meeting Jack
• The square root of 906.01 is...
• (Yeah, that mission was the best non-main mission in my opinion)
• More Liara goodness at the Citadel
• Jack saying "You can't dance!"
• A bit of a minor lull with everything not quite as awesome until...
• Hearing those three words out of Liara's mouth... then
• Stabbing Kai ****ing Leng in the chest. (Wrote the word out just because I know it'll be censored but I needed to say it :innocent:)

That's about it. And there was a lot of almost-awesome in this game. Geez, I have to keep saying this, everything but the very last moments of the game were the best game I've ever played.

[hchadw]

Twinzam.V wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Twinzam.V wrote...

Yes. But dont forget that your brand will also become a mark for quality, if you lose that quality, most likely youll lose various customers.

Quality is relevant only to a certain point, quantity is the unavoidable turnpoint. If most of the disappointed players plea for a "fix the game" in a respectful manner, they surely are quality "customers", and have a better chance to get what they want than the "I'm done with you, Bioware" ones.

True. I have to agree with that, but that is "if" they plan to fix this and not say "screw you we already have your money".

If they either "A" fix this or "B" this Indoctranation thing is true.. and hell im starting to believe that is shepard still on earth after an indoctronation attempt. It would be the most bad ass PR stunt and Troll in history and then i would say these guys have my money for LIFE!

[Iconoclaste]

I also think that, from a very... "empathic" standpoint, no one at Bioware would simply admit that the end was rushed out incomplete, full of unintentional plot holes. The "Endoctrination theory" is an opened "salvation door" for the designers, it might even be a fortuitous discovery of what Bioware intended to do from the start, but were reluctant to implement since even here, on this forum, this theory is deemed unacceptable by many.

This "endoctrination" thing has the elegance of filling-in the plot holes, sewing together the apparently "unrelated" cutscenes, and justifying DLC with praise from many parts to the genuine inventiveness of this attention-grabber. We're making them a lot of free publicity, right now!

And if this is true, we are already filling in the weak spots for them...

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 20 mars 2012 - 05:04 .

[Twinzam.V]

Iconoclaste wrote...

I also think that, from a very... "empathic" standpoint, no one at Bioware would simply admit that the end was rushed out incomplete, full of unintentional plot holes. The "Endoctrination theory" is an opened "salvation door" for the designers, it might even be a fortuitous discovery of what Bioware intended to do from the start, but were reluctant to implement since even here, on this forum, this theory is deemed unacceptable by many.

This "endoctrination" thing has the elegance of filling-in the plot holes, sewing together the apparently "unrelated" cutscenes, and justifying DLC with praise from many parts to the genuine inventiveness of this attention-grabber. We're making them a lot of free publicity, right now!

If that's true then it was a bold move deserving of  aplause, however a risky one.

[Andy the Black]

MetalCargo999 wrote...

Vox Doom wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

Vox Doom wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

ilComico wrote...

I have one question, but i'm not sure if it is OT:
Does anyone know what the leaked script endind included?

At this point I really want to know that

I second that - I have no idea what it was supposed to be.

And is this the same as the original outline of the trilogy that was put together by Drew KarpyshIcantspellhisname? If not, does anyone know what was supposed to happen in that. I heard ME2 was also radically different in that.

It was pretty much the same.

And Drew's ending had the Reapers trying to create a human reaper because it was the only way to stop the universe from being destroyed by the dark energy that powers the mass effect fields which is expanding at a stupidly fast rate.  Remember the star in ME2 that is older than it should be?  Yeah, that's what the reapers are trying to stop.

You could decide to let them go ahead with their plan or tell them no, that the young races would find another way to stop it.

A lot better, in my opinion, but I still prefer the idea that Reapers are simply harvesting to create more Reapers.

Thanks for the info, appreciate it. To clarify - the Reapers are taking time out from the cycle to stop this star that Tali spoke about in ME2? And the expansion of Dark Energy? Not sure how a human Reaper would do that. Still, sounds interesting and would like to see the idea fleshed out, but I'm with you, I prefer the Harvesting idea.

If only the synthetics weren't harvesting organics to protect them from synthetics. And Star Child was nowhere in sight lol

The original race who became Harbinger discovered that dark energy was expanding and would soon cause the universe to basically die.  They became Harbinger to try and slow down this process whilst looking for a solution.  There's more detail in there but the basic jist is that they are the ultimate Renegades, killing trillions to try to save the universe in the long run.

Apparently the human Reaper would have been the only thing that could actually have stopped it.

This is the ending we need.  I'd LOVE to see it, and find out why making a human reaper would help the reapers' solution.  It explains everything the reapers say about salvation through destruction and so on.  And then to see Shepard try and find a new solution?  sigh... so cool.  Thanks for this post!  It actually gives me some much needed closure to the story.  I can now ignore the current ending in peace.

How would this play out any differently though? The way I see it it would go: Shep runs into beam, goes to citadel, Anderson TIM plays out the same, Star Child tells Shep of plan to save the universe and offers choices of what to do next. /FIN

[Iconoclaste]

Twinzam.V wrote...

If that's true then it was a bold move deserving of  aplause, however a risky one.

Judging from the past and the assumption from Bioware that most players know this chapter of the trilogy is "the end" of this THEME, at least, the risk might already have been assessed.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 20 mars 2012 - 05:08 .

[Poognaka]

I understand that all your choices matter and throught your EMS level determine your choice(s) in the end. There is no need to change what happened and you shouldn't have to give
in to the demands of trolls Bioware!!! But DLC that explains what else
went on would be nice but please do not come up with an alternate
ending... Those people will find something else to complain about and
you will turn your back on the ones who supported you without question
from the beginning of the the greatest series of our generation.

[Necoc Yaotl]

Just finished the game and I was pretty struck... But in a good way. I'm not terribly sure where people are coming from at all about hating the ending. I thought it was a beautiful conclusion.

Perhaps it's because I actually love everything they did with it. I love the reveal, the futility of it. I love that it's incredibly tough and depressing all around, no matter what you decide. You have to make priorities.

I am, however, really disappointed that controling the Reapers meant destroying the Mass Relay network. That wasn't my intention at all.

[hchadw]

Commander Shepards Response to the ending....

Official Alliance Transmission

[Iconoclaste]

Poognaka wrote...

I understand that all your choices matter and throught your EMS level determine your choice(s) in the end. There is no need to change what happened and you shouldn't have to give
in to the demands of trolls Bioware!!! But DLC that explains what else
went on would be nice but please do not come up with an alternate
ending... Those people will find something else to complain about and
you will turn your back on the ones who supported you without question
from the beginning of the the greatest series of our generation.

These "trolls" you're talking about were specifically taken into account by Bioware as they were making ME2 and ME3, for the most part. They somehow used the word "fans".

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 20 mars 2012 - 05:17 .

[gf2588]

I write here for the first and I think for the last time, because I must tell all that somewhere.

Bioware, you made me cry. Literally. And not in a good way.

You know, there are always such books/films/games in your life that change your mind. There are few of them, but they influence you so much, that you just can’t forget them. Mass Effect is one of them for me. Why? I don’t know. I think that’s because it is not that shallow like most today’s games. Deep characters with their lives and histories, fantastic atmosphere, thoroughly designed world and serious ethical issues about life, humanity, future. It makes you FEEL and THINK.

I started playing this game while having a bad period in my life and it helped me to distract. I fell in love with the world and the characters. I started empathize with them. They are like my children in some way and I spent so many happy hours with them. Shepard and others… they really inspired me.

And the way it ended… it just ruined something in me. Destroyed some part of my soul. Why? Why do you do this to me? Damn it, I even can’t sleep well! It sucks, but this is the only thing I’m thinking about for many days. It’s just unfair and cruel? Like BioWare decided to torture us. I know that it sounds childish and stupid for a 24-year-old guy, but that’s the way it is and I can’t do anything about it.

Thanks for reading this. And I hope for the better.

P.S. BTW I believe that the potential of the ME world is so huge that you can easily make 2-3 more chapters without making it boring, stupid or something. So the ending was stupid at least from commercial point of view.

[FOXY MIKE]

THESSIA was my favorite mission in the WHOLE series(especially when bringing my Prothean buddy along)... scenery was amazing, the battle at the end was amazing, even the emotion at the end when Kai leng made off with the VI and shepard was defeated... and the commando on the radio while the reaper drops from the sky... I guess the mission was just a powerful emotional point in the game that struck me at just the right time... Brilliant

[Twinzam.V]

Necoc Yaotl wrote...

Just finished the game and I was pretty struck... But in a good way. I'm not terribly sure where people are coming from at all about hating the ending. I thought it was a beautiful conclusion.

Perhaps it's because I actually love everything they did with it. I love the reveal, the futility of it. I love that it's incredibly tough and depressing all around, no matter what you decide. You have to make priorities.

I am, however, really disappointed that controling the Reapers meant destroying the Mass Relay network. That wasn't my intention at all.

I dont hate the ending, im ok with bad endings. What im not ok with is endings that defy the lore logic, for example, and this is just an example, the fact that Shepard accepts everything that Starchild tells him, made me sound alarms that something wasnt right. Shepard no matter if its paragon or renegade would question the Starchild to why are those the only options. Because thats the base of the character to not accept everything at face value, thats why you can get more info from the wheel dialogues.

Modifié par Twinzam.V, 20 mars 2012 - 05:24 .

[CMalk]

I didnt visited this forum since DA2, but the second thing i read was this topic title.
I see endingS.. i have to go, dont worry, i will close the door.

[Bionic Riot]

This guy hits it spot on all fronts as far as I'm concerned. This is how I intend to remember the game. I'll never understand why Bioware went the direction they did with the story and end. I loved the game and tolerated the ending, but this guy's points are so spot on, Bioware could learn a tremendous amount from what he says. THIS is the ending gamers like me wanted to see.

[hchadw]

Iconoclaste wrote...

I also think that, from a very... "empathic" standpoint, no one at Bioware would simply admit that the end was rushed out incomplete, full of unintentional plot holes. The "Endoctrination theory" is an opened "salvation door" for the designers, it might even be a fortuitous discovery of what Bioware intended to do from the start, but were reluctant to implement since even here, on this forum, this theory is deemed unacceptable by many.

This "endoctrination" thing has the elegance of filling-in the plot holes, sewing together the apparently "unrelated" cutscenes, and justifying DLC with praise from many parts to the genuine inventiveness of this attention-grabber. We're making them a lot of free publicity, right now!

And if this is true, we are already filling in the weak spots for them...

Yeah i just watched this video

Im starting to think some thing where off there..... and the fact killing the reapers is the only way you get the cut scene back on earth where you see shepard draw breath as if waking up.

If thats the plan they have got to be BRILLIANT......im starting to wander  myself! that whole ending did seem dreamy and you where moving slow the whole time. Basically having an internal struggle with your mind........

i can hope ... and i think this is the best hope.... now if shepard is under control by harbinger. or either harbinger is in shepards head messing with him ... Trying to gain control.

Modifié par hchadw, 20 mars 2012 - 05:32 .

[MoonLitStars]

My favorite moments were when Edi becomes a character, the female Krogan, my decision to sacrifice the Quarian's over the Geth, and shooting Udina.

The thing I disliked the most was your ending. You left me with unanswered questions. You made it so I can't replay this game like I intended and even my fiance is struggling to play her way through ME3 because she saw me beat the game earlier this evening. You took from me and my fiance our game. We had invested so much into this and now it is all for nothing but to collect dust on my shelf now and play Skyrim instead. I feel robbed of my character's story and forced to digest this shallow unfinished ending.
You have taken a part of trust I had in your games that I boasted to many friends about. I will find it very difficult to invest in your company again if this isn't either fixed or explained and apologized for. Your writers are skilled and created a world that I and my fiance became a part of and now feel like we never were. This ending destroyed our enjoyment for this game and its replay value. I was so looking forward to playing 1, 2, and 3 multiple times to have different outcomes or endings and things develop but now there is little to no chance I will ever do that.
You are loosing a very devoted fan and supporter of your products. Please hear us and make this right.

[Jack Harper24]

I'm french but I will trying to make it clearer as possible...

We didn't ask for a good end...

We just want an other end.

We save Rannoch for the Quarians but they can't reach their homeworld same for the Krogan...

We didn't save the world, we just made it worst.

And seriously, kill all the synthetic...What are we doing with all the organic reapers now?

[RainbowDazed]

After sleeping another night on this, I still am very disappointed with the ending. It's a failed promise. I will contact my local customer protection agency today and ask what are my rights for a refund (deceptive marketing). If I am able to get a refund, I'll start a facebook campaign on it.

I'm sure there are passionate great people at Bioware, but I am sceptical about big businesses listening to anything else than money. And I want to be heard.

[I love mass effect 1 2 3]

Varus Torvyn wrote...

I enjoyed ME3 immensely, until I reached that huge letdown of an ending, and discovering that staying with single-player punished you with a permanent 50% readiness.

It's one thing to add multiplayer to a single-player franchise, quite another to take away from single-player rewards...there should have been something to accomplish in SP to earn 75% readiness, and make multiplayer have a possible 90% - 100%.

Other than that, my favorite moments were when Shepard convinced each group to join the fleet, also Mordin and Thane's demise were well-written.

I didn't think galactic readiness mattered because you were able do a completionist playthrough and get all of your war assets in the green and to the max. Are you saying that the ending could be slightly different with a full playthrough and a 100% galac. readiness?

[shephard987]

Jack Harper24 wrote...

I'm french but I will trying to make it clearer as possible...

We didn't ask for a good end...

We just want an other end.

We save Rannoch for the Quarians but they can't reach their homeworld same for the Krogan...

We didn't save the world, we just made it worst.

And seriously, kill all the synthetic...What are we doing with all the organic reapers now?

A valid and irrefutable question that should be shown to further our cause.
Welcome to the ranks.

Hold the Line

Modifié par shephard987, 20 mars 2012 - 05:39 .

[Iconoclaste]

Even Saren seemed to be autonomous for the most part, only when his thoughts differed from the Reaper's objective would we see him struggle and fall back in his pro-Reaper state. Who knows how indoctrination works? Well, that's the whole point of the theory : Bioware shows us the process, without much hints, and the more we approach the conclusion of the game, the more we see flaws. Shepard's determination is strong, but so is the Reaper's goal to have him, like they had Saren, and the Illusive Man. They all wanted the "better good of the Galaxy" and failed to Shepard's hand. Like the fallen Reaper on Rannoch said to him before closing the red light : we will watch you. He was their biggest threat, yet their biggest hope. He should have been severely burnt by the beam, so I guess it just went by him, but this beam has unknow properties, up to now.

[thefallen0412]

an update to the amazing indoc theory video on youtube. Lets get this thing spread and maybe bioware will see it

[jeweledleah]

I love mass effect 1 2 3 wrote...

Varus Torvyn wrote...

I enjoyed ME3 immensely, until I reached that huge letdown of an ending, and discovering that staying with single-player punished you with a permanent 50% readiness.

It's one thing to add multiplayer to a single-player franchise, quite another to take away from single-player rewards...there should have been something to accomplish in SP to earn 75% readiness, and make multiplayer have a possible 90% - 100%.

Other than that, my favorite moments were when Shepard convinced each group to join the fleet, also Mordin and Thane's demise were well-written.

I didn't think galactic readiness mattered because you were able do a completionist playthrough and get all of your war assets in the green and to the max. Are you saying that the ending could be slightly different with a full playthrough and a 100% galac. readiness?

there is an extra cutscene if you chose destroy ending with war assets at 4000 (if you "save" Anderson - 5000 if TIM kills him), implying that Shepard lives.  its part of the basis for indocrination theory.

it is next to impossible to get required assets without heavy metagaming through all 3 games, as well as having all the story DLC's for ME1, ME2 and ME3 (with possible exception of arrival).  its stupid easy to get with multiplayer, even if you skip most content and make bad choices.

so much for multiplayer being optional, bioware.