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[balance5050]

I'm going to be honest now... I was a huge bioware fan, I believed Indoctrination Theory, but now I'm depressed a f***. I hate you now Bioware! You have Shattered my dreams because now it seems like there will be NO ENDING DLC. Thanks for the memories Bioware... I'm done with you.

Modifié par balance5050, 15 mars 2012 - 04:59 .

[Barheet1]

I have been a fan since the series first came out. I have played ME1 roughly 10 times and ME2 over 20 times, so I have numerous characters to import. All the way through ME3 I was thinking it was the best game I had ever played. And then I finished it...and now I don't care for the story anymore at all. I'll still play ME3 because overall it's a great game, and I love the multiplayer. I'll still go back through and earn all the achievements. But your endings tainted the story for me. I'm not going to lose sleep over it or cry about it.

You've reminded me that it's just a video game. It's nothing more than some images and sound on my TV. You've taken the suspension of disbelief away from the series, and believe me, that takes some doing. You've destroyed the story for me. Sure, it's a good game. But I don't care anymore.

[Ananka]

Well, honestly, the game is amazing. There were a few things that bothered me at first, such as the high amount of auto-dialogue, but as the game progressed I felt I could overlook that because of how good the rest of the game is.  I love that ME3 got me so emotionally attached. I love how human you have made Shepard, she's
not perfect, and I love how you show that the pressure is getting to her.

I love the banter and I love the romances (well, at least Garrus' and Kaidan's, haven't played the other ones). Garrus was kept completely in character and is very well written. And I love the humour! There are so many so funny lines in there! I love Hale as femshep (I cannot state this enough...She is so incredible), and I love femshep.
The music is awesome, and there are some gorgeous scenes in the game (the scene with the Reapers over
London, for example).
But as I said, the best part of the game is the level of emotional connection you get to it. I really felt
for Shep and her crew. There were several times when I was close to tears.

Up until the endings, ME3 was the perfect game. Objectively, it's not perfect, because there are minor flaws (clipping issues, for example). But subjectively it was because I was willing to overlook the minor flaws just because I was so into the story.  When the endings came, though, they just felt depressing and not very rewarding, which is why I'm having such a problem with them. After having struggled with collecting war assets, with making all the right choices, with forming alliances and after having invested so much time and emotion in my crewmates, in Shepard, and in the galaxy, I would really have liked to get more closure and a feeling of being rewarded for the effort I put in (ie I would have liked to see a happy ending).
I think that for most of us, the rage about the endings is not so much about entitlement as about disappointment.

[vrumpt]

Romidar wrote...

As others have said, 99% of the game was brilliant but it was like having an amazing meal where every bit is the best you've had... until the last bite, in which you find a finger nail. Doesn't matter how delicious every previous bite was anymore, they are all tainted by the last bite.

While playing the game, I raved to my wife about it - she had played the previous 2 games - despite not liking the shooter element, she loved them. I had to tell her multiple times per day how amazing ME3 was without giving any spoilers. I told her she would literally laugh out loud, cry, think about her decisions and be generally stunned by some of the scenes.

But then I reached the end of the game... and had to tell her she should NOT play the game because it will undo her love of the previous two.

I have to clarify that this has nothing to do with a "sad" ending or wanting a happy ending. I loved the way you killed Legion despite my saying out loud multiple times "You had better not kill Legion!" I thought Mordin's death was poignant and fulfilled his storyline in ME2. I'd have been fine with Shepard making the ultimate sacrifice and, in a way, it's hard to imagine him living after all this (what, he's 90 years old telling people about the good old days?).

However, the ending was SO unlike the rest of Mass Effect in almost every way that it felt like someone else had come in to finish the game. I feel like some of the comments being made about how good it is that people are talking about it, that it was an artistic choice, etc. completely miss the point. In my circle of friends, we also still talk about Highlander 2 - because it was so awful that it hurt our enjoyment of the first movie. Compare this to endings like Inception's, for which we debate the MEANING, not the QUALITY.

There's no way the ending of Mass Effect wouldn't be sad for fans - even a "ride off into the sunset" ending would be bittersweet for us, and that's great. Give me an ending like "Shane" (not the Walking Dead Shane - the movie "Shane" ) or "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" - endings that make sense but are sad/tragic are fine.

Instead, we got the Matrix Revolutions, Lost or Battlestar Galactica. Does any creator want their creation to be remembered like those? "Great story, but ruined at the end."

I was gonna type something big and long up, but this guy did it for me so i'll just quote him since he read my mind up until the last 2 paragraphs.

I think the first thing the people at Bioware need to do is realize that we are ONLY angry about the ending.  As mentioned, the other 99.9% of the game, and the multiplayer, are just incredibly amazing.  Sans the ending, ME3 is the best game i've ever played.  So to the employees of Bioware, please note you did an amazing job on the game, but the ending was an incredible dissapointment.

I think for me, the ending is just not at all representative of this franchise.  Its so different, and to top it all off its bad.  I mean, if the artistic ending was done good than maybe i could reason, but its not at all.  It feels like a cheap cop out and a rushed rusty plug on the top of the most amazing champagne bottle you've ever seen.  But beyond analogies, Mass Effect deserves a better ending.  This game series stands so high and mighty above all the other video game series out there, and its for a good reason.  The ending we got is not at all worthy of what we have come to expect out of this franchise, and out of this company.  

What I expect out of Bioware are things like the indoctrination theory.  I expect grand epic finale stand offs similar to what we experienced in KOTOR, ME1, and ME2.  That is what was expected.  The ending built up to that.  It was the final moments, I just survived like 5 Banshees (5 of them, FIVE AT THE SAME TIME) and now I am charging at Harbinger, the big bad boss to save Earth... and then star child appears and gives me three different ways to destroy the galaxy.  That is not Mass Effect at all.  I feel like I have been lied to and cheated.  

The ending depressed me for a couple of days, I will not tell a lie.  I have become so emotionally attached to this series that it happened.  And I want to dispel some rumors that we want a happier ending, we don't necessarily (or at least I don't), some of my favorite movies have sad endings or are sad in general.  If it was sad and made sense it would be a different story, but it doesn't.  The ending is so uncharacteristically unlike the rest of the series its depressing.  And this is when we have things like the indoctrination theory pop up, because its a form of denial that gives us hope that this horrible (bad, not sad) ending isn't all that it seems.  And that hope stems from the emotional attatchment that has been forged across the last 5 years, by games and stories that Bioware has given us that were masterfully done and had satisfying conclusions.  I understand that the Reapers are inconcievebly powerful, but the crucible was the only deus ex machina device that we needed to make that happen.  We didn't need a star child and 3 colors to destroy the galaxy.

That sums up everything i have to say.  Again don't feel like we hate the entire game.  We praise the whole 99.9% of the game that isn' t the ending.  We just want the proper ending this series deserves.  Please give it to us.

[anexanhume]

You guys got some 'splaining to do... http://social.biowar...index/9993946/1

Modifié par anexanhume, 15 mars 2012 - 04:42 .

[lynsk86eir]

Modifié par lynsk86eir, 15 mars 2012 - 04:44 .

[Alamandorious]

My favorite moment is, by far, when I brought the Quarian people Geth together...

I'm hoping you guys have something good planned in regard to the ending, because it really didn't give the rest of the series its due.

[BCMakoto]

Mhgasa wrote...

NovinhaShepard wrote...

Those of us who want the little blue children!

Pick the destroy ending, and imagine Liara digging Shepard out of the rubble. There you go.
Also, fantastic, cheer up fanart by Neehs:

http://neehs.deviantart.com/#/d4sq3si

one can be allowed to dream

Why not THIS?!
Why Casper?

[JulienJaden]

Erethrian wrote...

Chuloos wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.
 
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

Chris.

I'll put it here for all to see.  I am 57 years old - a Tolkein, Heinlein, Asimov, Eddings, Margaret Weiss and Tracy Hickman --- well.. you get the picture.. fan.  Legendary story tellers.. there is no doubt.  And with that said.. I found myself immersed in Mass Effect from the start.  A Legendary story in and of itself. 

But, it was more than just a story.  I not only could read and see the story, I was a part of it.  Building friendships and relationships (albeit fictional characters), yet.. still emotional investment all the same.

Each segment be it ME1 or ME2 had it's heart stopping or heart breaking moments.  But nothing in either of those prepared me for ME3. 

I didn't buy any guide for the game.  I just played.  On the first play through, I didn't save Kelly Chambers.  I didn't know you could.  I was hurt when I heard she was killed by Cerberus.  In the same playthrough, I didn't meet Miranda for the 3rd time, and she died at Santuary.  I shed a tear.

Thane went down fighting, Mordin got it right.  I stil felt man tears well up.  Yes Legion the answer to your questions is Yes.  I literally teared up.

How do you parse the 'favorite parts' of an epic?  The whole Rannock (Legion) segments were excellent.  The writers and devs did a Fantastic job.   I took the unite Geth/Quarian path.

You could feel the desperation building as Palavan was under attack.  You could actually feel the pain of so many throughout the game. 

When Thessia fell.. and Cerberus beat me out of the Prothean data.. I felt.. beaten.

My love interest was Ashley on the first run, and then back to my Liara on the second.  The Liara segments were beautiful and masterful. I totally teared up.  The time capsule, the romance, the final kiss in the stars.  Liara.. come find me again in the rubble.

The fleet battles were just magnificent.  I wish there was more of them.  Excellent, excellent visuals.

There were so many good things in ME3.  So many emotional hits (mostly sad) because you knew this was the end.  I teared up plenty.  Congratulations on an epic....

And.... then.. the endings.. I was completely crushed... devastated.  What happened?   Why?  All the magnificence, beauty, glory, hope, dreams, and even the sacrifices seem to be thrown out the door.  I did all three endings... and even with NG+ with 6800+ EMS, and nothing changed.. I am so dissappointed.

Thank you at least.. for 2 and 4/5s great games.

In my first post here I picked up two of my favourite moments, but then I read this ^, and I remember all those moments...

I completely agree with you.

As do I. If I didn't feel all those moments, if I wasn't so invested in the story, so emotionally connected to the characters, I wouldn't care. I wouldn't be angry. But I am. I care.
Tolkien gave us what came before and what came after; I remember what happened to every member of the Fellowship. I expect no less of Bioware. Maybe some of us, those who think the ending is perfect, don't care about their companions as much as I do, but without at least the option to find out what happened to all of them, how my choices affected everybody, without all that, Shepard's self-sacrifice and every other sacrifice seems meaningless. Yes, a true hero doesn't need to know and will never know what happens afterwards, but most of us aren't heroes. We want to know that the character/s who made us heroes died a meaningful death. And some of us, me included, would just appreciate it if there was the option for this hero to live happily ever after. Because that's what Shepard deserves.  And, honestly: That's what Anderson would deserve, too.

Modifié par JulienJaden, 15 mars 2012 - 04:44 .

[DariusG187]

I can't remember any of the game because the during the ending it felt like I got stabbed in the balls. Yes, it was that bad so unless you guys fix it the game sucks. That ending basically ruined all three games despite the events before it.

[jacobkosh]

(the forum software and I seem to have issues)

Modifié par jacobkosh, 15 mars 2012 - 04:44 .

[Sacred Of the Grey Wardens]

My fav moment was when Kaidan and my Femshep were on the citadel and had their heart to heart talk(SQUEEEEEE!)

A part that got me right in the heart was when Mordin gave his life, so long my favorite salarian scientist. Find many seashells where ever you are.

All in all I found the game exciting and engaging......right until the end. Bioware dropped the ball hard there, hope they can recover and give all of us fans and ending that isn't remembered because of the rage it generated but instead because of the closure and peace it gave.

Modifié par Sacred Of the Grey Wardens, 15 mars 2012 - 04:45 .

[Bebuse]

I am very glad to hear something from Bioware, even if it is somewhat vague.

I would like you to know that Mass Effect has, without a shadow of a doubt, been my favourite gaming experience, my favourite 'story' experience (beating any book or film) and I still get nostalgic tingles thinking of the many, many amazing moments over the years:

- "You exist because we allow it. You will end, because we demand it."
- Anderson knocking Udina out to release the Normandy.
- The VI on Ilos
- Shepard dying
- Mordin singing
- Harbinger
- The Suicide Mission
- The backdrop on Paladen's moon
- Emergency Induction Port
- Liara. You have actually made my girlfriend jealous of a few lines of code.

I cried at least 3 times during ME3, teared up twice as often again, laughed out loud and up until the very last minute was in such a state that I wasn't sure I would be able to function at work the next day.

As it happens, I was not, but for totally different reasons.

I really, really hope you guys can pull something out of the bag, and do so soon, because people have built up a lot of hope for what stood to be the paragon (ho ho) of video games: one that could go down in history as the media's equivalent of the Mona Lisa. The ending of ME3 is nothing short of disastrous to the movement, for reasons much longer posts than this will describe.

I have faith, but will hold the line if you try to sell us snake oil.

[Barnett79]

Thanks for good game!
I hope for completion of endings - addition new. Very much there is no good ending. Shepard + L.I. and Normandy. Also it would not be desirable to leave with gets & IDE. 

[Fingertrip]

Everything was so bloody great. The connection and emotional level of the game is something I've never felt, or seen before.

Garrus and Shepard bottle shooting was such a friendly connection, the LI was great, altho I believe heavily bias towards Liara on Biowares end? I don't blame them tho, it's hard not to get connected to the bluey.

Geth/Quarian resolution was intense, dramatic and probably one of the best missions in the game. You could also feel the stubborness and arrogance of the Quarians, felt really like you've gotten around to know them at that point as well.

The ... death scenes really shocked me, I didnt' think I'd go teardropping every single time each time a fellow companion bid their farewell. It was so bloody well delivered, and writers and VO's and ... well, everyone involved on the matter. Kudos

I can go on forever, but everything was so well done, except for the maybe ... 5-10 minutes of you-know-what onfortunately, it wasn't on par with the rest of the content.

[twystedspyder]

Thanks for letting everyone here know that they're not being ignored, Chris. I'm not convinced that we are going to get the answers we want once an open discussion with Bioware does start, but it is nice to not feel completely isolated from the developers right now.

Negative: Ending sucked worse than I could ever possibly imagine and I was prepared from some pretty heavy suck. Some other small things that aren't really worth mentioning in light of the glaring black hole of space vomit that is the final 10 minutes of this epic trilogy.

Possitive: A whole lot, actually. Which makes the One real Negative even worse. Two great moments that will stay with me no matter how much the ending ruined things for me:
1.) Tali/Garus akward interrupt - I almost peed myself. I actually preserved a save so I could show my wife and watched it immediately after I beat the game so it was the last thing I experienced. 2.) Finding Lemiwinks(my space hamster) at the early stages of my Insanity playthrough after completely missing him during my first playthrough. I had been convinced after meeting Steve Cortez in the shuttle bay that he was off on an adventure...

[Chris150150xx]

Also, why do you have to wait for more people to play the game before you can answer? There's clearly an issue, with 10's of thousands of people lodging complaints about the ending. Do you think magically that's going to go away? Maybe after a unicorn will deliver your lunch.

You have a problem, you know what it is. Address it in a meaningful way.

[l7986]

Would have loved to have seen the Destiny Ascension hulk smash a reaper.

[Esker02]

Somewhere between "I bet you say that to every guy that gets you a new homeworld" and "emergency induction port" lies my favorite moment. And since everybody else is backhanding the ending despite the phrasing of your question, I was seriously looking forward to the epilogue with Tali but.. erm... yeah. It seems only the bad ending made it into the final cut..

[BGuppy]

What did I like?

I'm not going to say the game was note perfect. But it was close enough. Mordin's sacrifice. Legion's self awareness. Tali and Garrus finding love at the end of all things. The constant, smothering, atmosphere of desperation and hopelessness, which made your frantic struggle to pull together for one last stand all the more poignant and affecting.

When the coalition fleet that you've fought across half the galaxy to assemble blasts into the Sol system, putting aside centuries of political and philsophical and ethnic strife and hatred to stand united against a common foe, to fly bravely into the face of almost certain death because they believe...that leap of faith, that belief in you, in all the things you've done, in all the things you stand for...it's incredibly emotional. My heart was swelling, tears were streaming down my face.

And then, yeah. That ending. Hoo boy.

I understand the ending. In a vacumn, there are interesting things about it. The concept of the cycle, that's alright, I suppose. The idea of a fresh start for a new cycle, of self determination achieved at last, that's nice. But it feels like the ending to some other game. It's an abrupt 180 in terms of tone and theme, like accidentally downshifting on the highway and having the engine explode.

It's like you're watching Die Hard, and you're enjoying Die Hard, and you're really into your Die Hard, and then right after he jumps off the roof of the building you get the ending to 2001: A Space Odyssey. Maybe you like 2001: A Space Odyssey. There's some interesting stuff going on there. But mostly you're just wondering what the hell happened to the film you were just watching. In this case, the film you'd been watching and growing more and more emotionally attached to for 5 years.

I won't even go into the slap-dash, copy-paste nature of the endings, or the bizarre logical incongruities that litter them, because that's been covered in depth elsewhere, and there's no question you're aware of them.

I love you guys. My girlfriend LOVES you guys. The ending to this game broke our hearts. Yes, the journey is important, but that does not excuse or diminish in any way the impact a substandard ending can have on a story. You got 98% of the game just right, and then, somehow, inexplicably, fumbled the most essential part. THE ONLY part it really mattered that you got right.

I can't look at the games the same as a result. I would've been first in line to buy anything Mass Effect at the 90% mark of ME3. Now...I just don't know. And that makes me incredibly sad.

[iLLyNada]

ME3 was one of the best games I played, but I really felt that the endings did not seem to be at the same level of the entire storyline through the trilogy. I really hope that a future (paid) DLC will not influence endings entirely because that would probably make myself and a lot of other people upset. Regardless, great game.

[Phaenan]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending

From where I stand, I reckon it's a consensus rather than a debate: The endings are poor. A real waste.
Hopefully, if a writer such as Sir Conan Doyle changed the "ending" of Sherlock Holmes to quench a public outcry, I'm sure BioWare scenarists could also come to terms with this decision.

As for my favorite moment, I find it tempting to answer that it doesn't matter since the "16 or so" endings (sic) made everything else irrelevant.
Still.
In ME3, maybe it'd be Tali and her emergency induction port, or Thane versus Kai Leng. Also loved when EDI and Joker were working on their jokes. That recollection prolly doesn't do justice to the whole story, as there are lots of good moments; that was a great game. Those hasty 15 last minutes aside, obviously.

Modifié par Phaenan, 15 mars 2012 - 04:49 .

[BCMakoto]

EDI and Tali on the Geth ship.

Tali and Shepard making fun and EDI: "I know you two were physically connected during the suicide run...you don't have to be so polite.". Shepard: "......Thanks EDI....."

EDI was funny and great in this game.

[TheSneric]

My favorite part(s) were Mordin's sacrifice on Tuchanka and resolving the Quarian/Geth conflict, the game was absolutely amazing until the last 5-10 minutes. Then came the star child with his space magic making everything I'd done up to this point completely useless. Why is Shep forced to pick his favorite color with no option to say no and let the war play out, actually putting those war assets to use? I thought the ending was supposed to bring closure to Shep and the Reapers not open up more questions and plot holes.

[Cohesion]

For me, the standout moment of Mass Effect 3, which even topped the deaths of Mordin, Legion and Thane, came at the very end of the mission set on the Ardat-Yakshi monastery. Samara choosing to kill herself rather than submit to the Justicar's code and kill her remaining daughter affected me more than anything I'd seen in a video game, and showed just how much her dedication weighed on her. I'm just glad we had the option to save her and that Falere came up with a solution that fit with the code's demands.