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[Locke09]

So Shepard dies. I get that. You choose to sacrifice to take down the one thing you've spent the last however many years fighting in order to save the universe. Its simple, elegant and poetic, thats great. But won't it be a problem that all of the advanced species in the universe, with all of their ships, weapons, and anyone old enough to pull a trigger with one habitable planet to share. No mass relays, no way for all the fighters to get back home. That peace would last about 3 minutes before all of the races started killing each other to gain a spot to survive on earth.

And why was Joker traveling through space. "Alright, Shepard and all of my friends and allies are on Earth, I guess I'll go do a few laps around the Far Rim why they fight and die to protect my planet." Really? If that was what he did, then why would I care if he survived a crash landed and populated a planet with the Normandy crew.

Please try again.

[Baerdface]

It's a ploy for people to be WANTING dlc content and gladly paying for it just to get some closure. A terrible thing to do and I lost all trust and respect for Bioware. Will not buy any future content DLC or otherwise. It's not gonna affect them, but I'm doing it because I'm a responsible consumer and I refuse to keep being screwed over with shady business strategies.

Modifié par Baerdface, 20 mars 2012 - 04:23 .

[Shevar]

How disappointed can one be in his favorite game series.

1) Face Import problem

2) Day one DLC (luckily I got the N7 edition so that was included)

3) Crappy ending

4) And than all those lies in the press beforehand. I understand they can't give out details, but all these quotes about 'the endings being more diverse than ME 2' don't hint in the slightest to the ending we got. I can't seem to find the forum thread where someone gathered all these quotes though.

I'm a huge fan of the series and, apart from pinnacle station, have bought all DLC for ME 1 & 2.
But I won't be buying any for 3 as long as Bioware & EA don't do anything to fix the issue with the endings.
I know I'm just one person and me not buying DLC won't make much difference in the long run, but I won't, pure out of principle.

Such a shame. Bioware was on the A-list as a developer for me, but I guess I can scrap them :-(

[vkt62]

You all don't mention the keepers in the entire game or even explain them.

[bluewolv1970]

Shevar wrote...

How disappointed can one be in his favorite game series.

1) Face Import problem

2) Day one DLC (luckily I got the N7 edition so that was included)

3) Crappy ending

4) And than all those lies in the press beforehand. I understand they can't give out details, but all these quotes about 'the endings being more diverse than ME 2' don't hint in the slightest to the ending we got. I can't seem to find the forum thread where someone gathered all these quotes though.

I'm a huge fan of the series and, apart from pinnacle station, have bought all DLC for ME 1 & 2.
But I won't be buying any for 3 as long as Bioware & EA don't do anything to fix the issue with the endings.
I know I'm just one person and me not buying DLC won't make much difference in the long run, but I won't, pure out of principle.

Such a shame. Bioware was on the A-list as a developer for me, but I guess I can scrap them :-(

Agreed!

[MaddestHatter]

Leem_0001 wrote...


I don't follow - how could the outcome be clear at the start of the game and still be unexpected?

1) If you are referring to Shepard dying - that isn't what people are up in arms about. Most want choice about whether Shep lives or dies, they want choice in their endings, true. But if we had a variety of endings and Shep died in all of them, people may be dissapointed, but you would not get the outcry to change the endings (even though the choice we were told we would have implied this could happen).

2) Its that it simply doesn't make sense. It's the gaps in logic that confuse people. The crew getting off the Normandy - how did they get there? They were in London with Shep. How did the Normandy make it to this Jungle planet? The relays were destroyed. What the hell was the Starchild thing and why wasn't something like that eluded to earlier or why wasn't its (or the Reapers) origin explained (we were told that we woul dfind out exactly what the Reapers where by Bioware). Why do we need to have galactic genocide as the only option (do you know how many people died no matter which ending you pick - the mass relays being destroyed wiped out earth and most major planets that featured in the series). That is massively out of character for Shep and we feel his character would have tried to fight against this.

3) The AI child said these are your only choices. Why did he accept that? Soverign and Harbinger told him countless times he would fail - did he ever stop? No.

So many things don't add up, flow with what came before in the series, or they just don't follow any logic.

That is why people are upset.

I had a tpye error, corrected it.
Since my last workbreak is over i can't write that much/ answer. But one thing i'd like to say.  If you're an ancient being, lets say 1 million years old, every 50.000 years you harvest those other races (for whatever reason) and make more copies of your being (in this case reaper creation). You wouldn't think that someone / something would ever be able to defeat you, you're the most advanced being / machine in the universe, it wouldn't even cross your mind something like this could happen. Of course Harbinger and Soverign said we woudl fail.

[Cap_Zac]

Garrus and Shepard on top of the Citadel (shooting contest). Allowing the choice of Shepard to 'blow' the shot, allowing Garrus to be 'top gun'. Real life scenario for me...

[XTR3M3]

I would be happy (or at least have closure) with endings that at least followed their own lore and plot.

[magnutz06]

Ok my meanest rudest post yet and only bc BW must have heard all possible feedback a thousand different ways by now!! STOP LISTENING AND START TALKING BIOWARE GIVE US SOME D@MN FEEDBACK

Please

Modifié par magnutz06, 20 mars 2012 - 04:30 .

[Nembahe]

I am a die hard fan of ME (best series ever) - but the ending was just too pathetic; there was never a supernatural theme to Mass Effect but now we are introduced to 'The Catalyst' being?? Another weak factor was 'The Crucible' a machine that has been in production through many ages and species only has the power to give other suggestions to 'The Solution'? And poor Shepard, through all the hell we went through doesn't even enjoy or get to see the spoils of the war he so much single-handedly won; I would have been satisfied if there was a button to push to power down all Reapers; and with an at least 2min to 5min outtro. And who in the world is James Vega??? (We have no clue of his history or what he is doing with Shepard.)

[Azazel Hellion3]

I'm a little late to the party (plus I just finished it last night), but I am really confused by how people don't like the ending (other than Shepard dying).

Now, let me say this, I only played through ME3 onetime. I will go back to the beginning and play again. And I chose the middle path. So let me explain why I chose that path, and why it was the only logical ending.

Through the entire game series the question keeps coming up about what is life. Is a synthetic considered a lifeform? The war with the Geth and the reapers kept saying this over and over again. Synthics were order and organics were chaos. Both can not exist and the reapers would cleanse the universe. So both had to kill each other, there really was no way around it. But there was. A hybrid species (or the next evolution) And Saren was the first hybrid, albeit corrupted. Then Shepard was the next hybrid, as was the Illusive Man. Once I came to the realization of what was happening, I started asking, why was he named Shepard.

Even I hate to say it (but I started to see the patterns laid out in ME2), since I am not religious in any since of the word. Shepard was leading the galaxy to the only possible outcome and peace. He was leading the flock, even if they didn't want to. And he would have to give his life to achieve that peace. It was stated over and over again in the series. Sacrificing oneself for the greater good. Kaiden or Ashley, Mordin, Legion, even Saren and the Illusive Man to a degree. So there was not getting away from it.

So the question becomes, can you enjoy the ending without playing ME1 or ME2. That's hard for me to say, since I played all three and carried the same character through all three games. And I never deviated from the same path, which was to try and achieve peace with synthetics and organics. The evolution of the geth showed me (and mostly Legion and Edi) showed me that synthetics can be considered a life-form.

And I do think it would be a mistake to continue Shepard's journey beyond that outcome. It would have felt cheap to me to have him live. But I do understand how people could be upset with that choice, and just how invested everyone is with that character. I felt severely invested with that character too. So much so, that the long walk to end had me reflect on everything I had done in the entire series. It all became very cathartic. And, again, I couldn't have asked for anything different.

[I am Sovereign]

Hey I know this is slightly off-topic, but how do I get one of those banners for my signature? I'd like one of the Retake ME3 ones.

Modifié par I am Sovereign, 20 mars 2012 - 04:40 .

[magnutz06]

Its not the sacrifice check my post a page back and thousands of others if you truly want to understand. Thanks for asking and not judging us tho Hellion3

[Leem_0001]

MaddestHatter wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...


I don't follow - how could the outcome be clear at the start of the game and still be unexpected?

1) If you are referring to Shepard dying - that isn't what people are up in arms about. Most want choice about whether Shep lives or dies, they want choice in their endings, true. But if we had a variety of endings and Shep died in all of them, people may be dissapointed, but you would not get the outcry to change the endings (even though the choice we were told we would have implied this could happen).

2) Its that it simply doesn't make sense. It's the gaps in logic that confuse people. The crew getting off the Normandy - how did they get there? They were in London with Shep. How did the Normandy make it to this Jungle planet? The relays were destroyed. What the hell was the Starchild thing and why wasn't something like that eluded to earlier or why wasn't its (or the Reapers) origin explained (we were told that we woul dfind out exactly what the Reapers where by Bioware). Why do we need to have galactic genocide as the only option (do you know how many people died no matter which ending you pick - the mass relays being destroyed wiped out earth and most major planets that featured in the series). That is massively out of character for Shep and we feel his character would have tried to fight against this.

3) The AI child said these are your only choices. Why did he accept that? Soverign and Harbinger told him countless times he would fail - did he ever stop? No.

So many things don't add up, flow with what came before in the series, or they just don't follow any logic.

That is why people are upset.

I had a tpye error, corrected it.
Since my last workbreak is over i can't write that much/ answer. But one thing i'd like to say.  If you're an ancient being, lets say 1 million years old, every 50.000 years you harvest those other races (for whatever reason) and make more copies of your being (in this case reaper creation). You wouldn't think that someone / something would ever be able to defeat you, you're the most advanced being / machine in the universe, it wouldn't even cross your mind something like this could happen. Of course Harbinger and Soverign said we would fail.

Ah, don't worry about the typing error - I make those all the time
I do respect your point of view - and I agree that Soverign and Harbinger would have no reason to believe they could be stopped. But my point was more about Shepard, and his refusal to accept what they were saying. A character like him would have challanged the AI kid thingy - in my opinion.

[Makavein]

If Bioware ignores it's fans then what is the purpose of this forum? Plus Bioware wouldn't get very far in this age if it neglected it's fans altogether, but you never know this might be there sole objective, to shut shop and retire.

[Twinzam.V]

Azazel Hellion3 wrote...

I'm a little late to the party (plus I just finished it last night), but I am really confused by how people don't like the ending (other than Shepard dying).

Now, let me say this, I only played through ME3 onetime. I will go back to the beginning and play again. And I chose the middle path. So let me explain why I chose that path, and why it was the only logical ending.

Through the entire game series the question keeps coming up about what is life. Is a synthetic considered a lifeform? The war with the Geth and the reapers kept saying this over and over again. Synthics were order and organics were chaos. Both can not exist and the reapers would cleanse the universe. So both had to kill each other, there really was no way around it. But there was. A hybrid species (or the next evolution) And Saren was the first hybrid, albeit corrupted. Then Shepard was the next hybrid, as was the Illusive Man. Once I came to the realization of what was happening, I started asking, why was he named Shepard.

Even I hate to say it (but I started to see the patterns laid out in ME2), since I am not religious in any since of the word. Shepard was leading the galaxy to the only possible outcome and peace. He was leading the flock, even if they didn't want to. And he would have to give his life to achieve that peace. It was stated over and over again in the series. Sacrificing oneself for the greater good. Kaiden or Ashley, Mordin, Legion, even Saren and the Illusive Man to a degree. So there was not getting away from it.

So the question becomes, can you enjoy the ending without playing ME1 or ME2. That's hard for me to say, since I played all three and carried the same character through all three games. And I never deviated from the same path, which was to try and achieve peace with synthetics and organics. The evolution of the geth showed me (and mostly Legion and Edi) showed me that synthetics can be considered a life-form.

And I do think it would be a mistake to continue Shepard's journey beyond that outcome. It would have felt cheap to me to have him live. But I do understand how people could be upset with that choice, and just how invested everyone is with that character. I felt severely invested with that character too. So much so, that the long walk to end had me reflect on everything I had done in the entire series. It all became very cathartic. And, again, I couldn't have asked for anything different.

Its not about Shepard dying or if is a bad ending, but the lack of logic like ME Deception.
Its about someone giving you a gun and say "you have to kill people doesnt matter who, to save the galaxy" and you just say "yeah ok i see no problem with that".

Modifié par Twinzam.V, 20 mars 2012 - 04:53 .

[dbl219]

Here's what I think of the ending, in a nutshell:



In other words: laughable.

[Cyras. Knight-Errant]

First, I really enjoyed the game, i loved to see how everything i did in the first two games played out during the events of ME3 but at the end you really dropped the ball: The whole game is full of examples for your dedication and effort to make every decision from ME 1+2 count in some big or small way (For example: Conrad Verner and Jenna). But when it comes to the decision made in the epic finale, they just come down to a number in a war room computer setting the threshold for one of three possible endings (with minor alterations). This is especially bad, becuase you showed us during the whole game that you can do alot better.

I'm not sure if you should change the ending or if it's already to late for that. But when looking back at epic journey of my shepards: I'm missing some closure or a peek at the footprints shepards decision in ME3 left in the galaxy and the lives of the people who knew him and fought with her/him.

btw, favorite scene: mordins death "Would have liked to run test on seashells" R.I.P

[VV00d13]

dbl219 hahahah great xD

Ok this will be a long post asking a lot of questions, and make some statements that I believe, disagree if you want


First of all the reapers.
Where did they come from? What do they do?
From what we get from the Citadel they "harvest" all organic life to prevent organic life create a so strong synthetic life that when a war between them starts between organic an synthetic, the synthetic wins. No more organic life.
Is it possible that reapers is already a product of that ongoing war? has no one thought that, and why not?
See the Geth and the Quarians, Quarians has no chance against the Geth, still they created them and feared them. but in the end Geth do not want to fight! Keep that in mind!
Or that reapers originally was created to keep order between Organic and synthetic and "harvesting" was their logical decision?

This takes me to the Crucible.
No way that for several cycles that reapers have missed that! A super weapon that can wipe them out!
I mean they harvest ALL evolved Organic life in the galaxy! Harvest, not destroy, and create new reapers! That means they must somehow KNOW about the crucible, this cannot be the first time its built! maybe like the geth they do not want to have a war, and that's why they let some UNITE the galaxy to build the crucible?
Because is someone succeeds to unite the galaxy against machine, maybe we will not represent Chaos anymore and destroy ourselves? Cause that some one, or race, that unite everything might help everyone see organic mistakes.
Ok this uniting is quite diffuse, but my point is that they let it exist and the construction of it for some reason. That the race who do succeed may be able to see their own fault with the AI-synthetic-Machine "relation". This is diffuse but I hope you get the point.
And they do leave the defense and give an opening to the citadel so the crucible can get on place!

Think hard of what legion has been saying in ME2 and ME3, what geth really want. Maybe geth and reapers is not so far away from another in the long run?
Now to the ending and plot holes.
I do believe in the indoctrination theory to some point, since it's made up by fans.
Here is the vid again (posted it before) but for all new readers:



I will hold on to that the last part is some kind of dream or illusion, much speaks for it, not at least if you choose "reneged option" and destroy all AI.
This would explain why joker flies away and crash on a distant planet, cause it's a dream!
How would joker know that all synthetics would go down in that blast and not just the reapers, it's not like Sheperd says "hey get EDI out of there I'm going to kill all synthetic" for the record, EDI was with me on earth. So what is he running from?
I believe that these three choices is more "metaphoric" than real choices, mostly cause of the breath scene!

(For those who want to get the breath scene you need to do this:
Play online and raise the % to get Effective Military strength over 4000 preferly 5000.
Then when you choose, choose to destroy toe reapers, the vid I've posted will tell you why you survive.)
The scene is a battle of will between sheperd and the reapers.
What I cannot explain is why reapers cares so much about shepers choice (if the theory is correct)
what does sheperd gain with the crucible if it is just an illusion? a dream?

If this is not correct, what is joker doing? When did he pick up surviving members and flee from the "expansion" (since it's not an explosion)
Would he do that?
And if this wave is so big and affect all relays, then the explosion from all mass relays will destroy every system were a relay is in! (you know this if you've played arrival DLC in ME2) end every fleet ship around earth will lose power or get destroyed. So half the galaxy would be dead.
So I strongly believe that this is a dream and a metaphoric choice!

But then this mean that when sheperd breathes the battle is still going on, or that his choice has had some effect on the reapers? Cause in the back round the beam is also still going, reaper technology is still working if you know what I mean.

The ending isn't that bad, if the ending is indoctrination theory it is well thought of BUT to many questions not answered! To many holes to fill.
Most of what we have is theories.

Do you know what I believe?
We will never get an answer, they do this to get attention around the game

[Kami102]

I'm still waiting to figure out how Joker goes from orbiting Earth, to scooping down and picking up my squaddies on Earth (and my LI, who would NEVER leave), then shoots to Pluto and enters the Charon Relay, all within 5 minutes.

[Archonsg]

Mythrialus wrote...

Mass Relay Explosions:  After watching the ending to ME2: The Arrival I think it is very clear that when a Mass Relay is DESTROYED, it wipes out a system.  Self-explanatory.  But at the end of ME3, the Relays executed a controlled explosion, transferring the majority of the energy through the network and only releasing enough into the system to do...whatever it is they did: Control/Kill/Synthesis.  The energy would have then been transferred throughout the Relay Network until it came to the last Relay where I assume it would have released the remainder of the energy which would have either destroyed the system and relay/there would have been only enough energy left to execute the command and destroy the relay/or the remainder of the energy could have been shot out into dark space so as to save the system.  

On Exploding Relays.

OKies guys, people keep going "this is Not Arrival... it wasn't hit by an asteroid, it got hit by a signal beam, so its explosion is not the same! That its a "controled explosion"... 

I agree that this is not an "Arrival scenario since in Arrival you destroyed a Relay by ramming what is essentially a small planetoid into a Relay (Mass + Velocity + momentum vs Stationary object) , so please bear with me and read why physics actually puts this scenario where when a relay explodes, on its own might be a lot more powerful then the one in Arrival.

Lets first all just agree that we ALL do see the Relays explode. 
Lets Whatch the video again :
youtu.be/liQV1N7jXis

Citadel fires signal, signal hits relay, relays charges to critial sends signal along then BLOWS up.

Note that Relays are superstructres that can withstand a Super Nova without taking any damage at all.
Refer to your Codex ; Secondary : Ilos : Mu Relay

All a Super Nova did to it while vaporising the system it was in and creating the nebulae that hides the Mu Relay was to push the Relay out of position while not doing a single dent to it. (You guys USED it for crying out loud)

So to recap, the Relays in ME3 was NOT hit by a big planetoid (this makes it easier to destroy a Relay presumeably since now we have a huge butt load of mass and momentum of said mass added into the equation ... but we are talking about ME3)  which means the RELAYS exploded from kinetic / momentum force or energy alone which means that force had to had more velocity and momentum to damage a structure then if it was mass AND veloctiy.

If you want to do the math, here's a link:
www.stardestroyer.net/Resources/Science/Explosives.html

In short and in lay man's terms, a Relay can take an energy shockwave hit of Super Nova scale and not be structurely damaged.  
Relays are tough SOBs.

A structural explosion happens when enough kinetic / momentum force is applied to compromise said structure.
Big or Small Kaboooms, kabooms must be powerful enough to rip things to shreds.

Example, A soda can will explode if you apply xxx ammount of pressure. Does not matter if you want a big or small explosion but you need a minum ammount of pressure to make a soda can explode. 

Thus an EXPLODING relay you saw = ONE BIG ASS KABOOM!

Logic would dictate that if structure is not damaged by Super Nova Scale energy, energy needed to not just bend but blow apart said structure = many orders of magnitude. 
REALLY REALLY big AND powerful KABOOM!

Now to understand just how powerful a Super Nova is
www.nagt.org/files/nagt/jge/abstracts/Dutch_v53n1.pdf 

I find this portion interesting :

"Also, the supernova Sun would blast off  a significant fraction of its mass at relativistic velocities. When it reaches Earth, it would be pretty effective at helping to strip off mass. The Earth wouldn't vanish instantly in a supernova explosion, but its survival time would be measured in days at best. If the Sun blasts away half of its mass, or 1030 kg, the earth would intercept 4.5 x 10-10 of the ejected mass, or 4.5 x 1020kg. This amounts to 1/13,000 the mass of the earth, but it would be moving at high speed. If it were moving at 10 per cent of the speed of light, its total kinetic energy would be 4 x 1035 joules, or about 75 times the orbital kinetic energy of the earth and 4500 times the energy required to vaporize the earth. Its momentum would be about 3/4 the orbital momentum of the earth. As the comic strip character Dogbert put it in a different context, it would be "like sandblasting a soup ******."

And just how large a Super Nova scale shockwave can can get :
apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap030609.html
 
NGC 2736 (Pencil Nebula)  is part of the Vela Super Nova
apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap960612.html

that happened roughly 11,000 years ago. Has a shell that is roughly 230 light years across and is still expanding at about 500,000 km/h. 11,000 years after initial event. (time, disspation, debris and space gas has slowed it down somewhat)

Now back to Mass Effect 3

Essentitally a Super Nova as close to as 20-25 light years could take out half of Earth's ozone layer. 

Closer then 10 light years a good portion of atmosphere should be blown away, earth's magnectic feilds fracked up, climate goes to hell literally, most living things die.

Closer then 1 light years .... vaporization is very likely that or earth and everything in the path of the discharge become galacitc kitty litter, pulverrised into rock and dust.

The Charon Mass relay is 4 light hours away. 

Needless to say ANY system with an Exploding Mass Relay = Toast.
Any cluster with a Mass Relay = fracked up

Basically that ending we saw was producers who just wanted big fracking explosions.

Never mind the science behind it. 
Ignoring their own  "Issac Newton is the deadliest SOB in space" line (physics DO matter in Mass Effect) 
Threw logic and common sense out the window just to have a "cool looking cut scene"

Lastly exploding relays even if we take the final cut scene at face value still has enough energy to rip apart vessels in space like it did the Normandy. Which is another "looks cool" but badly thought out "action first, logic and science behind construction of a ship (we can use current day Aerospace design rules as a guideline) gets thrown out the window. 

Logic and the only conclusion that any shockwave that can flex and rip engines off a lateral mount = severe hull integrity compromise = the fuselage should not, could not stay in one piece. 

The same goes to ANY vessel around earth space. That means that whole armada that even if you want to ignore the Super Nova or greater scale energy discharge needed just to compromise a Relay and blow it up, still gets rip to shreds by the the current ending's own shockwave. 

I call BS on this. 
You can't have the Relays or the Citadel explode, EVER.

If or anyone thinks exploding Mass Relays is "good" SCIENCE Fiction and yes, I understand it is fiction so, there is a good ammount of leeway given to "space magic" such as ohh .."Mass Effect fields" it still has to be explained and follow rules of physics, even made up ones. 

Come up with a logical and physics based solution how one can essentially detonate a Relay and not have said energy transfer in the scale and magnitude of a Nova, and I'll accept it.

Modifié par Archonsg, 20 mars 2012 - 04:53 .

[ElrondDragon]

New endings!
Hold the line!

PS: I wish to have/see those blue kids! 

[Chuloos]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.
 
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

Sorry Chris.. go read this thread from over a year ago.  social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10287481/1

[MaddestHatter]

Leem_0001 wrote...

MaddestHatter wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...


I don't follow - how could the outcome be clear at the start of the game and still be unexpected?

1) If you are referring to Shepard dying - that isn't what people are up in arms about. Most want choice about whether Shep lives or dies, they want choice in their endings, true. But if we had a variety of endings and Shep died in all of them, people may be dissapointed, but you would not get the outcry to change the endings (even though the choice we were told we would have implied this could happen).

2) Its that it simply doesn't make sense. It's the gaps in logic that confuse people. The crew getting off the Normandy - how did they get there? They were in London with Shep. How did the Normandy make it to this Jungle planet? The relays were destroyed. What the hell was the Starchild thing and why wasn't something like that eluded to earlier or why wasn't its (or the Reapers) origin explained (we were told that we woul dfind out exactly what the Reapers where by Bioware). Why do we need to have galactic genocide as the only option (do you know how many people died no matter which ending you pick - the mass relays being destroyed wiped out earth and most major planets that featured in the series). That is massively out of character for Shep and we feel his character would have tried to fight against this.

3) The AI child said these are your only choices. Why did he accept that? Soverign and Harbinger told him countless times he would fail - did he ever stop? No.

So many things don't add up, flow with what came before in the series, or they just don't follow any logic.

That is why people are upset.

I had a tpye error, corrected it.
Since my last workbreak is over i can't write that much/ answer. But one thing i'd like to say.  If you're an ancient being, lets say 1 million years old, every 50.000 years you harvest those other races (for whatever reason) and make more copies of your being (in this case reaper creation). You wouldn't think that someone / something would ever be able to defeat you, you're the most advanced being / machine in the universe, it wouldn't even cross your mind something like this could happen. Of course Harbinger and Soverign said we would fail.

Ah, don't worry about the typing error - I make those all the time
I do respect your point of view - and I agree that Soverign and Harbinger would have no reason to believe they could be stopped. But my point was more about Shepard, and his refusal to accept what they were saying. A character like him would have challanged the AI kid thingy - in my opinion.

Thats what i see happened.  Sheppard proved that the, lets call solution, won't work anymore. And the Kid stated the facts: either you destroy me which will have casualties XY, or you controll us which will result in AB or you merge with me which will do Z, either way we need a new solution else we just simply go on with harvesting you.

[cristov]

Sorry Chris.. go read this thread from over a year ago.  social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10287481/1

So it seems they are not listening...