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On the Mass Effect 3 endings. Yes, we are listening.


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ElrondDragon wrote...

New endings!
Hold the line!

PS: I wish to have/see those blue kids! ^_^


How about this? 

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Choices, Closure and the Epilogue

By far the biggest let down would be the lack of the above. I honestly think that had Bioware gave players all three, even the illogical ending would not have stung so much. Hell, I'll probably ignore everything I know about physics and happily put it all to "space magic" AND NOT BE this angry had I been given a choice, had MY choices over the past 3 games be made relevant and counted for something and lastly an epilogue (preferably epic in scale) of sorts made available to the player and say to the player, "This is what you did over the course of 5 years, playing our game and supporting it, thank you."

Instead we go the "A,B,C choice ending that was said that Mass Effect would NEVER have. 

All my game saves, which includes:

1) Paragon Shepard Male, Romanced Ashley / Liara/ Miranda / Tali / Jack, stayed true

2) Paragon Shepard Male, Romanced Ashley / Liara / Miranda / Tali / Jack , played the field

3) Renegade Shepard Male ..... ect.

4) Paragade / and Renegon (mix of high Paragon / Renegade slanting towards one end or the other)

24 of them (including Femsheps) to be exact.

Needless to say NONE I now feel compelled to play, or replay with or without any future DLCs you might want to sell. Why would I since NONE of my choices mattered?

What is even sadder is that I have to come up with something, anything to "replay" at least in my own mind so that I could find some closure instead of the ending we got. 

I have already posted this before on the another thread but will post here and hope it gives those who haven't seen it, see an ending complete with all their favorite characters voices imagined in their heads :

(Version 1.01c Paragon Shepard Dies) 
*note: Most people should get this ending. I do have a “Paragon Shepard Lives” ending scenario floating up in my noggin but that will be done some other time.

Also my version of events scraps everything right after the combined Galactic fleet enters Earth space, assumes the player has completed all side quests and has at least 3300 EMS. 
Why only 3300? I feel that “forcing” players to play Multi-player just to get the “best” possible ending is rubbish. Higher EMS just skews a slightly different cut scene of your ground troops. Higher EMS = more varied troops based on which races you have recruited to the cause. 

The trigger on what causes Shepard to live or die, his personal romances.

Ideally he should have stayed true over at least 2 games to his Love Interest AND have that love interest with him at the end fight. It would be awesome if Bioware allowed for this since I have always thought that Shepard's "romances" while wonderful, still are just "one night things" 
These romances in the greater scheme of things don't mean much more then fan service (and very much appreciated fan service it is!! )  Making his romance the key to his / or her living or dying. That would be awesome.

This ending also assumes you have saved every companion in ME2 (just mentally edit them out if you got yours killed) and Assumes that certain paths are followed in ME3. Again you can mentally edit those characters out of the cut scenes if yours are absent or dead. 

Liara assumed to be LI and Shepard to be male. (Just switch him for her if your Shepard is female) Also this is an entire “re-write” of events in London. So no, I don’t follow the Shepard was indoctrinated” school of thought. Sorry shep-zombie fans.

And no Star Child crap either. Sorry Bioware.

Scenario :
Shepard deploys his remaining surviving followers. The final push has key points (say 4) that needs to be bolstered for Hammer to hit and kill the Guardian. This is where your assets come into play, for good or ill depending on what resources you have manged to gathered.

Cut Scene 
Combined Galactic ground forces consisting of all the forces and assets Shepard has gathered. Krogan on Keiosaur mounts charging and overunning Reaper positions, Geth and Quarian engineers setting up hack proof auto turrets to lay cover fire, mercs fighting dirty in hand to hand, pistol shot to the face combat, Turian and Human infantry and armour supported by Asari commandoes led by Samara, Grissom Academy (Jack!) Biotics and Miradanda and ex-cerberus biotics led by Aresh, form a linked shield system and together they all carve a path and take down the Guardian at the Conduit.

Shepard and team go in, and it’s a race find the master control and open the Citadel Arms so that that Crucible can dock.

Shepard and team fights way to Citadel central command room which EDI helps to pin point. Within the Citadel itself Shepard faces a combined force of indoctrinated Cerberus forces and reaper forces. 

Midpoint Cut Scene.

Harbinger’s holo appears and in the course of talking to it. Shepard learns that the Reapers were once AI meant to protect a race, created at a time when there was another war of organics and Synthetics. The AI’s primary directive was to Protect and dictate the race’s war efforts. In the course of time the AI decided that to win the war against Synthetics, organics had to become Synthetics themselves and thus the Reapers and Cycles came about.

Harbinger shows nothing but disdain for Shepard, for all organics. It demands that Shepard submit as it is the only way to salvation that it is the only logical outcome. 

Shepard tells it to go to hell.

Harbinger then tells Shepard that Organic life in this Cycle had become too much of a problem, that order was disrupted when Sovereign was destroyed and later the planned entry point in Batarian space blocked. 

That it has decided that the best solution for the current situation now, is for the galaxy to reboot itself and life and the Cycle can start anew.

Shepard is confused by what it meant till Admiral Hackett communicates that reports are coming in that Charon's Mass Relay is powering up, gathering Charge at a rate that make it go critical and cause Ultra Super Nova.

Harbinger tells shepard that it will cleanse reboot the Galaxy one relay at a time once its down here on earth. 

Everyone is shocked and horrified by the implications.

Harbinger gloats that order will be restored and the Cycle can start anew again. 

Shepard Speech.

Chooses final Squad members and forges on.

Last checkpoint.

Shepard Meets Illusive man who holds the final key to unlocking the Citadel. The Illusive man lays it all out, from what he has pieced together. The Citadel is not only a huge mass relay, it is also the Reaper’s command and control centre from which the reapers direct their systematic “cycles” and that means it’s also one big galactic broadcasting device and that some ancient race finally figured this out and came up with the Crucible which is not a weapon but a signal modifier and booster carrying code that is essentially the Reaper's "kill swtich”.  This signal however can also be used to take control of the Reapers. This old race figured out that you can send the signal from the Citadel but such a signal would only effects its local space for the signal work galactically, the signal needs to be sent simultaneously across the galaxy using the Mass Relays as piggy back signal towers. 

Illusive man tries takes control of Shepard’s implants.

Illusive Man Makes Shepard shoots both squad members and they are out of combat (not dead)
If Love interest is in squad however, Shepard finds strength to resist after he shoots the first squad member and when the illusive man tries to make Shepard shoot his LI. (Love has to count for something ya?)

Boss Fight. 

One on One Shepard vs Illusive man or two vs one if
Shepard is with LI 

Shepard wins, Illusive Man slumps to the ground.

Cut Scene.

Harbinger arrives at the Conduit and starts blasting at ground troops. (poor EMS = more die, not just nameless troops but Jack, Grunt, Wrex and any other non-squad companions from previous games at the scene, we will however assume high EMS for this cut scene)  More Reaper Destroyers land and starts blasting as well. 
Jack plays mother hen and orders Asari commandoes around to help bolster the linked shields so that ground forces can hold ground. She refuses to leave but realise her shields cannot withstand too many direct hits from Reaper cannons. Reluctantly leaves when Miranda tells her, “Shepard will find away, he always does.”

Meanwhile on the Citadel, Shepard with EDI’s help shuts down the Relay Nova sequence and call's Hecket to keep the Reapers off while they try to dock the Crucible.

Harbinger realises what is happening and take offs along with most of the Destroyers headed towards the Citadel. 

HUGE fleet space battle ensues!
(I thought about making the boss fight againt Harbinger for Shepard but, the Illusive Man should be Shepard's Boss fight while Harbinger and his guardian's should be Fleets, they came all the way here to Earth after all, its only fair they show off what a combined Galactic force can do)

With enough (that 3300 mark)  Assests, they keep the Reapers off. With low casualites.

No or low assests, reapers break though and Crucible gets destroyed, "Failure cut scene plays, showing more reapers arriving and decimating Galactic fleet.

Mid point assests, fleet still hold off the reapers but major leadership dies giving shepard a chance.

Crucible docks.

Harbinger’s Avatar appears one last time, but this time it shows fear. It knows death is imminent and it doesn’t want to die. Harbinger admits that perhaps its assessment is wrong and gives Shepard a choice, instead of killing every reaper, it asks Shepard to shackle them.

Each Reaper would then be Humanity’s tool and weapon against anything or anyone, organic or synthetic. Through them, Humanity would achieve power unimaginable and through humanity’s control of the reapers, order be imposed on all organic life. (Renegade Choice of course)  

Shepard refuses. 

Takes the Paragon path and triggers the kill switch. 

THE CITADEL DOES NOT BLOW UP, BREAK APART OR GETS DESTROYED.

(Final moments / epilogues)

Garrus : “So Shepard, do the honours?”

Shepard: “I thought you’d do it, I mean, isn’t that why you calibrate stuff so much?” 

Garrus : “The guns. Are. On. The. Normandy. Shepard.” ”But now that you mentioned it, why not? I could never resist pushing big red buttons... Uhhh There is a big red button right?”

EDI. : “No Garrus. Just your standard VI overlay”

Garrus : “Pity. Well Palaven isn’t free of Reapers yet while we stand here talking.” *reaches up and touches controls*

Signal beam goes out to the Charon Relay, Relay pulses then shoots out beam to other Relays.

”RELAYS ARE NOT DESTROYED.*

Pretty colour signal rings Galactic map display depicting each relay receiving and sending the kill switch out. Reapers across the Galaxy flat lines. Cheers from ground troops in Palaven, Asari on Thessia, everywhere, troops emerge bloodied but not beaten. 

*Everyone in room cheers*

Ashley : “We did it! We finally did it! It’s all because of you Shepard, I am sorry I doubted ….”

*Sound of rapid auto gun fire. Shepard’s Shields flare, then in slow motion, HEAD SHOT*

(1) IF Shepard has been true to his LI and did not go dipping into the pond so to speak, depending on LI they'd see TIM, and will do a number of things, taking the hit (NOT FATALLY but unknown to the player at the time) example. Liara sees TIM, cast Singularity but the bullets fired richochets and hits her / Tali sabotages his gun but TIM manages to get ONE shot off at her, Ashley simply stands in the line of fire and pushes Shepard away ...different things from different LIs - - - back to the show!

Liara : “Goddess! Noooooooo…”

*everyone turns to see a shakily Illusive man standing with a modified machine pistol in hand .. Everyone unloads their weapons into Illusive man. All except Liara, who is cradling Shepard and crying.

*Fade to black.*

*scene opens 5 years later. We see a small Asari child playing in the grass on Thessia laughing and giggling with another Asari child. She turns when she hears someone approaches and it is Liara and Matriarch Aethyta. One of the girls run up to Liara.* Child : “Mother, Aria here says that everyone is nice to me only because my father is famous. Why do you never talk of him?

Liara : “Oh Hannah, *breathes in deeply* your father was the most important man in the galaxy. He is why we still have Thessia, our home.”

Hannah : “Aria says he’s human. Aria’s mother says humans are at best century flings. I don’t understand….*looks up and sees Liara in tears* I am sorry mommy. I didn’t mean to make you cry. *stays silent for a few seconds* What was he like, my father?”

Liara : “He was …he was….*breaks down and cries*

Aethyta : “ He was a man. Had a quad on him for sure but he had heart, he….."

*scene cuts to Garrus at SPECTRE Academy*

Garrus : “ … was not just a SPECTRE, he was THE SPECTRE. I was there when he took down Saren, when at the time we Turians still thought all humans were only good as cannon fodder." 

Spectre trainee: “But sir, surely he was JUST a human....”

Garrus : "Son, on Rannoch, Shepard played tag with a reaper, on foot. He won. *touches side of his face* You see this, got this from a Gunship’s rocket in Omega. Shepard took it down, with small arms and saved my life. No, I learned from the best and that was Shepard.  I learned that no matter how good you are, nothing is better than a true friend guarding your back and Shepard was …”

*scene cuts to Wrex and Grunt*

Wrex : “….an Honorary Krogan because I made him so! Arrrhharrhahhaaa!”

Grunt : “Bah, I knew that before you. You remember? He fought beside me on my Rites of Passage and at the time he said he was “my krant” *does finger air quotes* …huh. When that Thresher Maw popped up and he didn’t flinch, just stared down that big ass rifle of his and shot, I knew then, that he’s no one’s Krant. That I was lucky to be his.” 

Krogan : “Clan Utnev says The Shepard is human and they spit on humans.”

Wrex Grunt : “SHEPARD IS URDNOT! Shepard is why our women are whole again!

Grunt : "WHO IS SHEPARD?!!"

Krogans :" URDNOT!!"

Wrex : "WHAT IS SHEPARD?!"

Krogans : " KROGAN!"

Grunt : "AND IF THEY SPIT ON SHEPARD THEY SPIT ON...."

Krogans : "UDNOT!! SHEPARD IS KROGAN!! SHEPARD IS...."

*Scene cuts to Samara on Thessia now chief caretaker of the Ardat Yakshi monastery

Samara : " ......... honour personified."

Falere : "Is that why you left us, and followed him, his honour?"

Samara : "He helped me kill Morinth..."

Falare : " So he murdered my sister too .."*bitter*

Samara : " Your sister would have murdered him."

Falare : " So how did it feel, to have the great commander Shepard do your dirty work for you?"

Samara : " Shame, that is why I almost....why I wanted it all to end. I used him Falare. In the end I even when I tracked Morinth down, deep down in my heart I did not want to kill her, I ....knew that if Shepard was there. I would have to do what I swore to do."

Falare : "Is that why you almost...."

Samara : " I could not kill another of my Children. So I thought there was only path left to me. And Shepard stopped me. He still believed Falare, that I had honour." 

Falare : " I ....I guess I misunderstood, Shepard is....."

*scene cuts to Tali. ALL Qurians have their helmets off*

Tali : “ ….the most compassionate man I know.”

Quarian girl : "What is it like travelling with the humans? With Shepard?

Tali: “Trying. Often you just want to shoot them. *she grins* Sometimes I don’t get them at all but when I see Shepard I see the best humanity has to offer. Let me tell you of a story about a Quarian named Lia’Vael nar Ulnay a young Quarian girl on her pilgrimage. She went to the citadel but before long, her money was stolen, she was beaten and people spat on her. All because she was Quarian. We met her while a Csec officer and a Volus had her held for questioning and NO ONE wanted to help. Shepard did. He cared. He didn’t see us as Quarians or aliens but as people. As someone of worth and Lia was someone worth helping. I asked him afterwards, why did he helped. He just said “It’s what I do.” *Tali falls silent for a bit, eyes with a faraway look, wishful*

Quarian girl : “Was he dreamy? *giggles*

Tali : *flushed* “Uhhh.... what? …Shepard was …”

*scene cuts to Aethyta*

Aethyta : “…. Many things to many people. But most of all he was hope. He never stopped trying. They took away his ship, they took away his command they took everything that he was but they could not take away his spirit. Your mother loves him very much because of that spirit. Hell, if your mother had not already claimed him, I would have been tempted to myself! Bet I can teach him a thing or two…”

Liara : “Aethyta!”

*Hannah climbs into Liara’s lap*

Hannah : “He sounds wonderful. I wish he was here.” 

Liara : *wraps arms around Hannah and hugs her tightly*

“We all do, little dove, we all do.”

*FADE TO BLACK*
END CREDIT ROLL.

(Only did those few companions, would have,  Jack, Miranda, everyone who is still alive retelling Shepard as they saw him..... Different "memories if Shepard was Renegade and of course a VERY different one if Shepard Lives) 

But to me, it would have been epic even if my Shepard died ( I'd play to keep him alive of course though) and we have all the people he touched speak of him and their memories of him? What better end can you think of?

Anyways, if you have been reading this far.
Thank you.

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 Favorite Shep Moment:  Breaking Kai Leng's Sword/Killing Kai Leng.

Why:  We know Shepard is a battle-hardened soldier, capable of handling almost any situation.  But Kai Leng presented a new challenge: He's cunning, ruthless, skilled, and he got the better of Shep.  The Illusive Man has given Shepard the slip on many occasions, and Saren was always a step ahead, but Kai Leng is different.  He bested him Man to Man.  Yes, he has Phantom upgrades, but he's not hiding in an office, and his physical encounters with Shep were more satisfying than Saren's.  Thessia was an interesting defeat, it made me feel that Shepard was "good", but Kai Leng was better.  If they met in a bar and fought it out, I was convinced that Kai Leng would win.  This gave me high regard for him as an adversary, but it also made my interpretation of Shep feel... lesser.  He's BA, but not THAT BA.  Then Shep Renegade judo-chopped (ok, it was a fist) a sword in half, and introduced omni-blade to Kai's chest.  It was wonderful, and put Shep back on top as "Galactic BA of the Cycle."  There are other moments I've loved, especially in the third game, but so close to the end, this moment stood out for me.

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Also i'd like to know why Bioware repeatedly said all during development that they were not going to do a 'Lost', that the ending would be final and tie up all loose ends, and that there would be vastly different endings available?

They just simply did not deliver on ANY of that. In fact bearing that in mind the game bears on being faulty given that is what we were promised and we got the complete opposite.

Essentially they tool the ending of Deus Ex and shoehorned it into somewhere it just does not make sense.

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MaddestHatter wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

MaddestHatter wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...


I don't follow - how could the outcome be clear at the start of the game and still be unexpected?

1) If you are referring to Shepard dying - that isn't what people are up in arms about. Most want choice about whether Shep lives or dies, they want choice in their endings, true. But if we had a variety of endings and Shep died in all of them, people may be dissapointed, but you would not get the outcry to change the endings (even though the choice we were told we would have implied this could happen).

2) Its that it simply doesn't make sense. It's the gaps in logic that confuse people. The crew getting off the Normandy - how did they get there? They were in London with Shep. How did the Normandy make it to this Jungle planet? The relays were destroyed. What the hell was the Starchild thing and why wasn't something like that eluded to earlier or why wasn't its (or the Reapers) origin explained (we were told that we woul dfind out exactly what the Reapers where by Bioware). Why do we need to have galactic genocide as the only option (do you know how many people died no matter which ending you pick - the mass relays being destroyed wiped out earth and most major planets that featured in the series). That is massively out of character for Shep and we feel his character would have tried to fight against this.

3) The AI child said these are your only choices. Why did he accept that? Soverign and Harbinger told him countless times he would fail - did he ever stop? No.

So many things don't add up, flow with what came before in the series, or they just don't follow any logic.

That is why people are upset.


I had a tpye error, corrected it.
Since my last workbreak is over i can't write that much/ answer. But one thing i'd like to say.  If you're an ancient being, lets say 1 million years old, every 50.000 years you harvest those other races (for whatever reason) and make more copies of your being (in this case reaper creation). You wouldn't think that someone / something would ever be able to defeat you, you're the most advanced being / machine in the universe, it wouldn't even cross your mind something like this could happen. Of course Harbinger and Soverign said we would fail.


Ah, don't worry about the typing error - I make those all the time :)
I do respect your point of view - and I agree that Soverign and Harbinger would have no reason to believe they could be stopped. But my point was more about Shepard, and his refusal to accept what they were saying. A character like him would have challanged the AI kid thingy - in my opinion.


Thats what i see happened.  Sheppard proved that the, lets call solution, won't work anymore. And the Kid stated the facts: either you destroy me which will have casualties XY, or you controll us which will result in AB or you merge with me which will do Z, either way we need a new solution else we just simply go on with harvesting you.


I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this, which is fine. I don't think Shep would have picked any of those solutions. He would have fought on to the death. He had no way of knowing what the kid was telling him was true. Any of those choices, no matter which one, would result in massive Genocide. The character Shepard would not take what the AI was saying at face value and act on that, and condem gazillions to death (not sure of the number system goes high enough). Sorry, he would have simply said they will fight on to the death. Thats from an in game perspective.

From an external, storytelling perspective - those choices were not good storytelling. They did not fit with the context of what came before hand and the AI child came out of nowhere. It was sloppy and lazy on the part of Bioware. And I'll say again - where was the choice. All the choices given ended in 3 almost identical cut scenes with different coloured explosions. Why didn't the actions from previous games effect the ending - as we were promised?

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BBC is now picking up on this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-17444719

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BioWare, I am the faithful fan of Mass Effect series. I am not capable even to count up how many times I played ME1. ME2 I played a few times and I saved a few different saves (male/female Shep, different romanses, paragon/renegade options, living/dead Wrex) to load to ME3. The first time I played ME3 very quickly: I did not play in multi, thus I had 50% of readiness only, I did not scan most of planets, then I had a weak fleet - I wanted only as quick as possible to know how my favourite saga will end. When I saw this very sad and almost hopeless ending I admitted that it is the result of my haste also subzero readiness.

Then I load another save from ME2 and I began a game once more: I looked after 100% readiness, I scaned all planets, I think I visited all possible locations and I lifted paragon decisions only. With what result? The ending was the same when I played ME3 first time :/

Why thus that all? Why to accomplish these all choises in ME3 (and in ME1 and ME2 earlier) as it does not have influence on the ending? I am not satisfied, I'm disappointed of those endings :/

In spite of few bugs ME3 is a fantastic game, concludes many stages really elevated and perturbing. I spare only, that Ash is such tight how Barbie - really you do not love her. Wonderful as usual is Liara, Garrus also. Mordin is wonderful too. Also Vega is interesting individuality, especially in confrontation with femShep :) Even hopeless Jacob and this Cerberus **** Miranda fell out better.

However from the moment of beginning of mission 'Return on Citadel' I had feeling, that I look after some nightmare, not the ending of the best trilogy among the games. Whole the ending is incomprehensible for me. There is no consequence and logics.

So I appeal to you: give us a chance to end this saga how we want, the end which will bring satisfaction to us, which gives to Shepard a chance to see little blue babies :)"

Sorry for my English.

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if there was a like button I would spam it on your post Archonsg

Modifié par Lilaw, 20 mars 2012 - 05:13 .


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I know this has posted already but that is the simpliest and best ending I have seen. BW should realy use this.

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MysticBinary82 wrote...

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I know this has posted already but that is the simpliest and best ending I have seen. BW should realy use this.


Regardless of what endings we prefer THIS is much better and at least logical then what we got.

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Archonsg wrote...

Ideally he should have stayed true over at least 2 games to his Love Interest AND have that love interest with him at the end fight. It would be awesome if Bioware allowed for this since I have always thought that Shepard's "romances" while wonderful, still are just "one night things" 
These romances in the greater scheme of things don't mean much more then fan service (and very much appreciated fan service it is!! )  Making his romance the key to his / or her living or dying. That would be awesome.


Yes nice but am I screwed cause my Maleshep dated Kaidan and that is just possible in ME3 but I never romanced someone else. Would that also count as staying true?

Modifié par MysticBinary82, 20 mars 2012 - 05:20 .


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               It was sad, and not the good kind of “sad” or “bittersweet” ending ... just plain sad. To see a franchise that I fell in love from the first minute of playing Mass Effect 1, with lore as deep as some of the greatest works of fictional literature of our time (way deeper than most works of entretainment) and such beautiful art work ( from the design of ships, races, planets to the wonderful music) to be completely and utterly destroyed and disgraced in its greatest moment ( or at least the moment that should have been the crowning of the series).

If it was so painfull to us, the fanbase who followed the series for five years, I can only imagine the pain that it was to the developers that passionate worked eight years in the series to suffer this forced end. Something akin to the death of a child perhaps. I say that because  I can only assume that no one that worked in the Mass Effect games, or that at least read five minutes of the lore, in its right mind, would consider those ends ( this end) good, let alone worthy of such remarkable game.

The end was so bad, so filled with plot holes, so utterly ignorant of everything established before, so dissonant from the rest of the series that I cannot help myself but think (hope) that it was deliberate. In my grievance I have come up with three explanations.

 
1. In a last attempt to protect the franchise from EA overusing and destroying it with non-Bioware created spin offs, prequels and sequels they choose to destroy it themselves in a circular logical fallacy much like the one used by the Reapers ( we destroy you now to save you from destruction later) by creating, in the end, the worst case scenario for the series continuation (mass relays gone, entire species stranded from their homeworlds and prone to extinction, inclusion of star-kid-god and a “space wizard did it” … and I am not even including the fact that the destruction of mass relays would result in entire systems wiped out and “saving Earth”
meaning as much as drying ice)

 
2. The Indoctrination Theory. Guys, Kudos to whoever came up with this and to all those who worked in this theory / spreading it. It is really a work of literacy genius that proves that a thousand pissed off fans with typing machines can come up with a way better and more epic ending than professional writers. It fits so perfectly with the lore
and with what we’ve seen ingame that  it SHOULD have been the official version.

The only problem is that the Indoctrination Theory is not really an end, it’s the mean to an end, it assumes that Shepard will rise from the rubble ( if the player can see through the manipulative star-brat/Harbringer) and continue the good fight, and only Bioware can give us that closure. By the way, if it was Bioware idea from the start, congratulations, you just ascended to the place of best RPG game developer of our time, and this is no small thing as for me gaming development is an art greater than movie making. The fact that I am here writing this, and that so many people have thought so much about it is proof enough of that. Of course, if that was the case, the real final part / ending should have been included in the original game, perhaps after the false credits.
 
3. EA games is simply the “inverse Midas” everyone thinks they are and rushed the development of the game to the point that Bioware simply started accepting ideas from underage offspring of EA CEOs. I can almost envision it in my head “ Now put a “Matrix architect” like character that don't explain anything and simply has no business being there ! They will think us so deep and artsi “ or “ Guys , guys ! I loved the Deus Ex endings , perhaps we could copy them exactly, they loved it already, why wouldn't they love it again !? “ and finally “ Guys, that Eden thing at the end of Battlestar Galactica was lame …. or was it !??”

           Seriously though, sorry for the wall of text  ... I think I just needed to vent. While the chances are dim, my hope to see the fate of the galaxy and the consequences of my decisions and actions is still unwavering. I will hold the line. Commander Toledo, American Fleet, Battle group Brazil.



           

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http://social.biowar.../index/10319191

There is all I can say to the whole ME Series and I loved the endings, because if you re think of Saren and the Sovereign and like the constant meeting with Reapers you should think about the whole plot again, and if you would listen to the Rachni Queen if you saved her in ME1 then you should also get more clues for the ending.

ME3 is like a crime in my eyes, and the clues you have in whole ME1 & ME2 but also within ME3 itself, take for example Kai Leng who even quotes the Reaper on Rannoch, I would be worried about that, lol.

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Lilaw wrote...

if there was a like button I would spam it on your post Archonsg


Thank you. Unfortunately I have to "spam" that myself (blatant self advertisment) since this thread / forum moves so fast, things get pushed down and as they say, out of sight , out of mind.

But I am glad you liked it.
I told a friend of mine who was reading it for the first time to read it and imagine each characters voice, as they would hear in game, and the best thing I saw was he ended up sobbing himself. 
:happy:

Honestly, I think Bioware has writing talent to do MUCH MUCH better then that. To make us feel, move us emotionally so that at the end of Mass Effect 3, we'd be in tears or whooping, screaming out in joy not go "W.T.F?! and rage by taking everything that we did in the past 5 years and throw it out the window.

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IS there any news about possible changes? i agree with saying the ending is bad

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Archonsg wrote...

MysticBinary82 wrote...

Image IPB

I know this has posted already but that is the simpliest and best ending I have seen. BW should realy use this.


Regardless of what endings we prefer THIS is much better and at least logical then what we got.


this should really happen. Now all we have got A-B-C. Bioware do something about it.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment? :)



My favorite moment is when the Shepard betrays all he stands for and destroys galactic civilization. And better still, the Shepard does it following what is said by none other than the mastermind behind the Reapers.

The epic final showdown with Marauder Shields was incredible too.

And Joker's transportation magic saving the squadmates who should be dead by Harbinger's beam totally put it over the edge.


PS: if I consider the first 99% of the game, my favorite moments would be Liara's box project and Mordin's death. Damn, that very model of scientist salarian made me shed manly tears.

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MysticBinary82 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Ideally he should have stayed true over at least 2 games to his Love Interest AND have that love interest with him at the end fight. It would be awesome if Bioware allowed for this since I have always thought that Shepard's "romances" while wonderful, still are just "one night things" 
These romances in the greater scheme of things don't mean much more then fan service (and very much appreciated fan service it is!! )  Making his romance the key to his / or her living or dying. That would be awesome.


Yes nice but am I screwed cause my Maleshep dated Kaidan and that is just possible in ME3 but I never romanced someone else. Would that also count as staying true?

It is. As long as you didn't tapped Liara / Ashley or any other partner in ME2. And yes I thought about the gay portion of it. 

Lets say you went with Cortez. As long as you didn't sample the ladies, Kaiden would count as your "LI" for this purpose. From a programing point of view it should be easy enough to flag just for this encounter.

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Archonsg wrote...

MysticBinary82 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Ideally he should have stayed true over at least 2 games to his Love Interest AND have that love interest with him at the end fight. It would be awesome if Bioware allowed for this since I have always thought that Shepard's "romances" while wonderful, still are just "one night things" 
These romances in the greater scheme of things don't mean much more then fan service (and very much appreciated fan service it is!! )  Making his romance the key to his / or her living or dying. That would be awesome.


Yes nice but am I screwed cause my Maleshep dated Kaidan and that is just possible in ME3 but I never romanced someone else. Would that also count as staying true?

It is. As long as you didn't tapped Liara / Ashley or any other partner in ME2.


No of cause not, what sense would be in a homosexual Relationship if you swap the way you want Image IPB.

But I am with you, that there should have been a bit more impact on the relationship basis. Cause if it is just there to be there, then it could also not be there. It just does not change anything (except the emotional attachment to your Shep).

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wonder when they are going to do something about it.

hold the line

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xaurabh123 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

MysticBinary82 wrote...

Image IPB

I know this has posted already but that is the simpliest and best ending I have seen. BW should realy use this.


Regardless of what endings we prefer THIS is much better and at least logical then what we got.


this should really happen. Now all we have got A-B-C. Bioware do something about it.


This is how you show decisions matter Bioware. It's not like you haven't done something similar before (DA:O)

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PistolPete7556 wrote...

xaurabh123 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

MysticBinary82 wrote...

Image IPB

I know this has posted already but that is the simpliest and best ending I have seen. BW should realy use this.


Regardless of what endings we prefer THIS is much better and at least logical then what we got.


this should really happen. Now all we have got A-B-C. Bioware do something about it.


This is how you show decisions matter Bioware. It's not like you haven't done something similar before (DA:O)

this is indeed intresting !

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Archonsg wrote...

MysticBinary82 wrote...

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I know this has posted already but that is the simpliest and best ending I have seen. BW should realy use this.


Regardless of what endings we prefer THIS is much better and at least logical then what we got.




I think this ending would be exceptonal if implememted

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 I wanted to take the time to post something posistive first, so I didn't ignore the excellent story telling and RPG experience that I just finished.  The Mass Effect triliogy is the highlight of my gaming experiences.  

Because our beloved Chris has opened communication on the ending, I will take this moment to express, to my own surprise, my overwhelming feeling that the conclusion to Mass Effect was a "miss."  Everything leading up, EVERYTHING, was fantastic, and I could not have predicted it.  Meeting the catalyst was completely unexpected, but interesting.  It was a new and huge idea introduced a little too late, but it was captivating.  My concerns are with the moments after you fire the Crucible.  The feel was off, and left a lasting taste I dislike and cannot ignore.  Why is Joker running?  Why is the beam chasing him?  Whats with the MUSIC, that goes against the epic grain established by the rest of the game?  It was a complete departure.  And my biggest complaint, the lasting one, is the after-credits sequence.  The voice acting, writing, and character animation went from a 10 in the rest of the game, to a 2 in the last sequence you see.  It felt completely removed from the rest of the story and devoid of any quality.

I thought I'd be the last one to "complain" about the story Bioware came up with, so I'm considereing this "feedback."  I'm a writer, so I know its not easy to please eveyone, nor is it easy to wrap up something so epic; but I know that Bioware could whip up something better than what was shipped, and I think I would be an immeasurable fan service that would not be forgotten.  I have faith in them, and they've proven themselves time and time again.

Thank you Bioware.

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What can be said that hasn't already been repeated ad infinitum, I wonder? No matter, I'll lay it down anyway.

My two favourite moments both involved Liara, which is unusual since I did not romance her and she is not my favourite character. First was when she brought you her little time capsule. It really rammed home what the future held if it all came apart at the end. Second was right at the end, before you charged off into no-man's-land, when she rested her head on your shoulder as the light engulfed you both. Very sweet.

Runner up was meeting up with Conrad Verner for the last time, with all the ME1 decisions just piling up one after the other, it was glorious.

Honourable mention is the banter between Garrus and Liara on Sur'Kesh when the Yagh escaped.

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Makavein wrote...

If Bioware ignores it's fans then what is the purpose of this forum? Plus Bioware wouldn't get very far in this age if it neglected it's fans altogether, but you never know this might be there sole objective, to shut shop and retire.


Develop some patience.  They said they are waiting to respond once more people have a chance to finish the game.  Not everyone rushed or is rushing through the game. Some of us have other things to do and took our time or are taking our time to play through.  Some people may even be playing again to see if a 2nd play through (with the same Sheppard) affects anything instead of nerd raging.   I first heard about this controvercy by accident before I had finished the game.  I had to resist the urge to rush to the ending just to see what the issues were.  I took my time.