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[MingWolf]

Skyline45 wrote...

So I say if the Indoctrination theory is correct... genius writing, but if not.... its probally your best option to run with it Bioware....

Your very right on this. 

However, I don't think the Indoctrination theory is correct, unfortunately.  You know at the very end where the game encourages you to buy more DLC?  It also said that "Commander Shepard has become a legend by ending the Reaper threat."

This implies that the reapers are stopped, and that Shepard has stopped them.  This seems to throw indoctrination theory out the window, for the theory is hinged upon the fact that Shepard is being controlled.  Him ending the Reaper threat implies that he undoubtedly did something, and the only thing that makes sense is that he either chose the red, blue, or green endings.  The fact that the ending cutscenes and the game itself is told almost in third person also seems to discredit the plausibility of indoctrination. 

[Doctor Hades]

I completed the game a couple of days ago and have never been so disappointed with a game ending as I was with Mass Effect 3. It was absolute drivel IMO and made little sense. I've tried all three endings and they're basically the same except for different coloured mass relay explosions. So much for the promised "wildy different" endings, BioWare!

Maybe this ending was intended to cause this much upset and BioWare will pull the rug from under our feet by offering some free DLC that shows the real ending - I especially liked the indoctrination theories personally.

I didn't mind that Shepard might have had to die to save the Earth and the rest of the galaxy (it would have been a noble sacrifice) but the manner in which my character was forced to choose without ever questioning or proposing a solution of his own was extremely annoying. I was 100% Paragon, had sided with EDI, saved the Rachni, helped the Krogan by curing the Genophage and sided with the Geth, etc., etc. yet I was never given the chance to argue for peace among synthetics and organics. That is just not what my Shepard would have done at all. In fact, he'd have turned his back and walked off leaving the God Child brat alone but, of course, if you try that then you hit an invisible wall (or if you walk away from the beam on Earth you die!). For all the choices we're afforded during the three games, it amounts to nothing at the end. Regardless of the ending you choose, what follows is 99.9% similar except for the colour of the relay explosions!!! Poor, poor, poor.

And what's with the Normandy flying through the relay? I find it hard to believe that Joker, Kaiden and Javik, who are seen emerging from the wreckage, would abandon Earth nevermind Shepard. And aren't the mass relay explosions supposed to destroy entire solar systems? The ending just seemed very rushed to me and totally at odds with the rest of the series, almost as if it was written by someone else entirely. A great series of games pretty much ruined by an ill-thought out WTF! Was That It? ending IMO. It reminded me in many way of my feelings toward Matrix Revolutions.

I keep hoping that this ending was intentionally planned to cause anger so that BioWare can turn around and surprise us with the real ending but somehow I don't think that's very likely.

Modifié par Doctor Hades, 20 mars 2012 - 09:04 .

[hchadw]

Larryboy_Dragon wrote...

Going to laugh if Bioware give in and change the ending. Particularly at the ensuing crap storm as the ‘movement’ disintegrates into a thousand little fights about which criteria the new ending does or does not met. What if there is a new ending, but it’s still sad? Sure, 70% of the moaners will be thrilled, but the 30% who wanted the happy ending will go totally mental.

Personally, I think the ending was handled appallingly, but I like the idea of the technological base everyone has been relying on being pulled out from under them.
The new universe would be one where species have to figure out space travel on their own without relays. It means Mass Effect 4 can essentially have a whole new galaxy without changing the setting. It was well played.

Frankly, it wasn’t the ending that was the problem – it was the goofy crucible. The idea was ridiculous on the face of it.

My only regret is that when my favourite franchise was ruined, this outcry was no where to be seen. Everything that ME3 does wrong, Dragon Age 2 did first. One movie? Check. Disregards all your choices? Check. Provides no closure on places or locations? Check. Thematically discordant? Check. Introduces plot elements at the last moment? Check.
I always liked Dragon Age more (even if the combat went action in DA2). And after ME2 turned into a shooter I really lost my connection to it (linear shooter levels with a binary choice at the end is Bioshock, not an RPG). After the disaster of DA2 went mostly unnoticed, it’s kinda nice to see this happen – maybe Bioware will learn a lesson and DA3 will be better for it.


The one obvious downside, this will be the last we see of the import character mechanic. I think it’s pretty clear now that allowing the import of a NPC you grow attached to means that you can no longer end the story how you want without suffering through an epic toddler tantrum.

I never understood the cruicible either... although after some thought... when you watch that final scene when the cruicible docks with the citidel.... it almost looks like big machines having sex.............................. is that what the reapers ultimatly wanted..... for us to build both sex organs so they could have sex??????   mabe thats the real seceret ending ! LOL

[Mastone]

Short Cake Slayer wrote...

Omnike wrote...

But the choices don't really make sense. Nothing about that last part made any real sense.

That's because it's all in your head as a part of indoctrination It's supposed to be weird/out of place compared to the rest of the game, as an indicator to you (the player) that something is wrong and not the way it should be.  Just my thought. The fact that this is happening is not made so obvious by the writers, but then, the Reapers are a god-like race with god-like manipulation abilities; I think making it not obvious to the PC (and thus the player) that they're being indoctrinated is the whole point, otherwise it'd be a disservice to the Reapers themselves as antagonists and as a supposed galaxy ending threat.  

What's the point of indoctrination at this point in the war?
All resistance is about to break if you ( meaning the reapers) just destroy the crucible it's over...

It's like trying to bargain for something when you've got it for free , the battle is already won.
As I said in my earlier post the ending is so moronic that people wish to see some complicated ending and try to find theories and signs that it is really not hat stupid  ...it can't be right?
When the starwars prequels came out some people went in a second time, not because they were blown away by them, but because they couldn't believe it was that bad, this is something similar .
This is a story in which you invested a lot of time  and effort  at least 80+ hours I would imagine where you created "your" shepard and where every choice let to an ending in ME3 they ****slapped the player , the majority was enraged , a minority thought there was something deeper....this couldn't be the result of all those choices.

But alas it is just that, because a lot of people on this community gave compliments to the creators and for some reason still do which went to their heads and prevented oxygen reaching their brain leading to delusions of grandure believeing they could get away with this one, I can't wait to see the southpark episode on this one.....

[Ileron]

Omnike wrote...

Ileron wrote...

This is simply great!!

I have thought to a new possible spectrum of endings only changing whatever happens after Shepard gets nearly killed... Anyone who's interested should give a look at one of the following links:

http://social.biowar...62/polls/30113/ 
http://social.biowar...m/710762/polls/ 

I really think that, with our ideas, we can have Bioware release a better (which does not mean "happier") ending for this wonderful saga!!

I don't understand the hate for a happier ending. So, make more sense, but make no peace for anyone and just have it be super depressing. Sounds like an awesome ending...

It's not hate! If you read what I wrote you'll see that I give you many chances to save Shep's life (and that's exactly what I'd do, for, after going so far, I think he deserves a happy ending) but people usually use "better" instead of "happier", so I just wanted to be clear. For example, if at the end of ME2 Shepard dies it is an epic death not a confusing one!

[Ileron]

Mastone wrote...

Ileron wrote...

MysticBinary82 wrote...



I know this has posted already but that is the simpliest and best ending I have seen. BW should realy use this.

This is simply great!!

I have thought to a new possible spectrum of endings only changing whatever happens after Shepard gets nearly killed... Anyone who's interested should give a look at one of the following links:

http://social.biowar...62/polls/30113/ 
http://social.biowar...m/710762/polls/ 

I really think that, with our ideas, we can have Bioware release a better (which does not mean "happier") ending for this wonderful saga!!

They won't be changing the ending, they might release a directors cut though  which wil have a different ending they will advertise with this  so people who haven't bought it already  and are a bit unsure will get tricked  into buying it and once they reach the ending they get threated with a great purple explosion which is a result of a temper tantrum of that blue VI kid at the ending because you choose to ignore him, causing him to explode. LOL.



I think they just wait till this blows over let people blow of steam  before they release their downloadable content...

What I find ironic though is that they "borrow"a lot of the starwars universe but in the end also take over the storytelling policy which is  to make it so moronic people are trying to find some briliance in it...where is jar jar...oh wait the blue child was there and Kai Leng, ME3 had 2 Jar Jars LOL

It is sad, but I agee with you... However, what were EDI's words? "We admire your concept of hope", or something like that...

[dfdsgrgre]

It is sad, but I agee with you... However, what were EDI's words? "We admire your concept of hope", or something like that...

That was legion

[Archonsg]

Jeitiiea wrote...

I'd love to see a happy ending. But what I'd like to see even more is a failure. This game gives you no chance to fail. It doesn't matter what you do, whether you work hard or just slack off through the game. You can't fail. Anything you do is irrelevant, because when you get to the end, your options lead to the Reaper threat going away.

Why? WHY???

WHY is there no option to fail, thereby making the bittersweet sacrifice, or a true success/happy ending even more significant?

So frustrating.

I posted a "happy" ending above your post.  
Just wish Bioware would come out and give us something, anything. The series does not deserve that crap ending.

[Omnike]

Ileron wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Ileron wrote...

This is simply great!!

I have thought to a new possible spectrum of endings only changing whatever happens after Shepard gets nearly killed... Anyone who's interested should give a look at one of the following links:

http://social.biowar...62/polls/30113/ 
http://social.biowar...m/710762/polls/ 

I really think that, with our ideas, we can have Bioware release a better (which does not mean "happier") ending for this wonderful saga!!

I don't understand the hate for a happier ending. So, make more sense, but make no peace for anyone and just have it be super depressing. Sounds like an awesome ending...

It's not hate! If you read what I wrote you'll see that I give you many chances to save Shep's life (and that's exactly what I'd do, for, after going so far, I think he deserves a happy ending) but people usually use "better" instead of "happier", so I just wanted to be clear. For example, if at the end of ME2 Shepard dies it is an epic death not a confusing one!

Okay. That was my fault.

[Stigweird85]

I don't get the hate on the endings, okay it wasn't a we win yay! ending but still it felt like an end.

It's cool if you don't like it, you can't please everyone all of the time, if you don't like it I respect your opinion we are all entitled to an opinion. However don't **** and moan or demand to get your own, you don't do yourselves any favours by acting in this way.

I hope that there is more Mass Effect and yes I hope that there is more Mass Effect with my Shephard not because I demand or even expect closure(it's war people not everyone survives) but because I want to experience more in the diverse universe. When the inevitable DLC comes I hope Bioware stick with their original design and don't cave into peer pressure, If you think the endings are bad now(I don't) imagine what it'd be like if they have to shoehorn in a "happy" ending

Personally when Bioware say they are listening I hope that means they will take the indoctrination theory and run with it. There is plenty of evidence(circumstantial but still there) to support it. It has probably been mentioned before but

Modifié par bigstig, 20 mars 2012 - 09:16 .

[nobum62]

my favourite moment was the renegade interrupt of shepard killing kai leng

[sistersafetypin]

It's been almost a month since ME3 came out and I've only played it once... That's not natural Bioware. Please tell me you're at least doing more then simply "talking about the situation." As for FB, I've given so much of it in these threads the past few days I figure I'll let some others post for a few days... But you honestly need to address this in a better way then you're doing. This isn't a small subset of fans anymore. If it was... This would have blown over already, and the media wouldn't still be talking about it.

We're your fans and we love you, still. So make it right

[weltraumhamster89]

jeweledleah wrote...

I'm so ... very... tired of this argument.  you know what I think is childish?  this nihilistic depressing aproach to story telling, the unflagging beleive that only stories full of death and depression and ending that leaves characters worse off then the beginning - are acceptable.

in real life, you also can say: "screw it" to all of those choices and take your own path and MAKE a better choice.  otherwise, we wouldn't have amputee marathon runners, people who manage to survive weeks, when stranded in a wilderness, people who refuse to give up and push push push, through countless harships - to get what they want, accomplish their goals.  humanity would have curled up and died long time ago if everyone just accepted the hand they were dealt.  women would still be stuck barefoot and pregnant, homosexuals would be stoned to death, and children would not be seen as anything of value until they managed to survive through the first 6 years of their lives, at which point, they would be put to work.

moreover.  this is not real life.  its a video game, with space magic, a character that gets ressurected after getting spaced and then falling through the atmosphere with only light suit on, a game where 12 mercs can take out an entire base full of enemies, a game where a single person can take on a mecha chutulu with only a portable nuke and a guiding lazer.  so please.  don't talk about realism for this particular plot point, when theentire trilogy laughs in a face of it. 

This. I felt like that as well - why not the OPTION for a successfull ending (Shep alive, with (most of)  team) when the whole series was about "beating the odds"? I hate the "realism"-argument there. It's a game, if I want homocide, death and despair I'll switch on the news. Besides, the ending can never be "happy" as there are billions of people dead and whole worlds almost destroyed.

[jeweledleah]

DoktorAffentanz wrote...

I think it wasn't only the promises the devs made (and didn' keep) but also the promises that were delivered via the story of ME1 & ME2 that weren't kept... I mentioned it before: I was always seeing Shep as kind of a modern Odysseus. For me it was always about beating the odds and stand there as the winner, not getting beat up and die no matter what you do. Its just... depressing.

Just my opinion.

that makes 2 of us

[Rubicon83]

By the way, i was reminded of this phrase when i chose the Synthethis-ending and contemplated its ominous paralel to the Mass Effect Universe..

"Human. We were once like them. Flawed, organic.... but we evolved to include the synthetic." .. Borg Queen, Star Trek: First Contact

[wolfeye7]

bigstig wrote...

I don't get the hate on the endings, okay it wasn't a we win yay! ending but still it felt like an end.

It's cool if you don't like it, you can't please everyone all of the time, if you don't like it I respect your opinion we are all entitled to an opinion. However don't **** and moan or demand to get your own, you don't do yourselves any favours by acting in this way.

I hope that there is more Mass Effect and yes I hope that there is more Mass Effect with my Shephard not because I demand or even expect closure(it's war people not everyone survives) but because I want to experience more in the diverse universe. When the inevitable DLC comes I hope Bioware stick with their original design and don't cave into peer pressure, If you think the endings are bad now(I don't) imagine what it'd be like if they have to shoehorn in a "happy" ending

Personally when Bioware say they are listening I hope that means they will take the indoctrination theory and run with it. There is plenty of evidence(circumstantial but still there) to support it. It has probably been mentioned before but

Most of us also support the indoctrination theory - I certainly do. And we don't "moan" about it not being a happy ending, we simply dislike the plotholes and the fact that the ending doesn't stay true to the game and our choices don't matter.

But thank your for being willing to see our side of the story    I respect your views as well and hopefully we can have a civil discourse on the subject.

[Seival]

By the way. There are actually two ME3 ending reviews that BioWare should watch. Both reviews explain everything about player's feelings regarding ME3 endings:




People, If you find more such reviews, please, post them here.

Modifié par Seival, 20 mars 2012 - 09:22 .

[MaddestHatter]

Leem_0001 wrote...

Ah - then if you weren't aware of the promises made I can see why it isn't an issue to you. Can I ask if you played the other ME games or just ME3?

But if you came into the game with no expectations, and are thrilled with it, I am happy for you. Genuinely. And to all those that liked it, the same goes - and a bit jealous as you got the experience I was hoping for lol. For me this argument isn't (or shouldn't be) between gamers.

It was the expectation of what was promised, and how that promise wasn't delievered on that has upset a lot of people.

Yes, i've played every game, multiple times, i agree on this shouldn't be an argument between gamers.
On some occasion i understand why people are startled on scenes like the normandy flying somewhere and stuff. so we i won't say it doesn't make sense, since we don't know what acutally happened and why this happened. I too am quite curious about an explanation or an dlc as epilogue or something.
As for my game experience of all three games, all the parts are fitting for me, for the arguement that sheppard should have the choice of rejection and fight, i don't think this would've been in his interest, since he wanted to survice no matter what, rejection would've simply ended in extinction on my view.

But i have to say it is nice to have such an peacefully argument.

Modifié par MaddestHatter, 20 mars 2012 - 09:26 .

[Mastone]

Larryboy_Dragon wrote...

Going to laugh if Bioware give in and change the ending.


The new universe would be one where species have to figure out space travel on their own without relays. It means Mass Effect 4 can essentially have a whole new galaxy without changing the setting. It was well played.

Frankly, it wasn’t the ending that was the problem – it was the goofy crucible. The idea was ridiculous on the face of it.

I agree with you on most parts, I will give up dinking if they change the ending  or stop taking those damn red pills and go for the blue one...

How they worked out the crucible was stupid, maybe even how it is named, I did however like the fact that previous cycles have accumulated data on the reapers and how to possibly beat them it even makes sense, it would be more fun however if you could go on exploration missions and find this information yourself maybe even see some glimpses of previous civilizations instead of being confronted with some blue dreamchild who let's you pick the color of the fireworks ...ws this lotdevice written by the real life representation of that child by any chance that would explain it.

With regards to ME4 or any DLC, I don't know about you guys, but if this remains unresolved I am done with Mass Effect and by extend Bioware after the disappointment that was  knights of the old republic going MMO  oh sorry...story based MMO( I really wanted KOTOR3 with enhanced everything story/gameplay development etc etc)
I have played dragon age on PS3 which wasn't very memorable, choosing a different race didn't have that great differrent experience so I stopped playing don't get why people even bothered with 2.

My gaming hopes are now vested on thief 4.....

[jeweledleah]

Rubicon83 wrote...


By the way, i was reminded of this phrase when i chose the Synthethis-ending and contemplated its ominous paralel to the Mass Effect Universe..

"Human. We were once like them. Flawed, organic.... but we evolved to include the synthetic." .. Borg Queen, Star Trek: First Contact

oh, most definitely!  and I wanted my Shepard do pull Picard and scream: "NO.  we draw the line HERE!  this far!  no farther!"

the paralels between Reapers and borg are extremely strong IMO.  a race that blends synthetic and organic, that assimilates organic beings and makes them their own, uses them as more foot soldiers.  adopts to anything you throw at them, consumes everything in its way.  doesn't destroy - reaps.  the fight for humanity seems so hopeless in Star Trek.  how do you defeat that which uses your very own to fill its numbers?  and yet, Star Trek managed to deal with this beautifuly.  (and then they introduced species 8472, but even then - they made so much more sence then the god child and I felt that they worked with the narrative, unlike the godchild.)

[clarkusdarkus]

like some other guys have said, at the end of the credits we get told we defeated the reapers and buy dlc to further our legend and then u see us on the normandy just before the final mission..mwahaha...man they really have ruined what we once had. gotta laugh otherwise i'll cry.

[StillOverrated]

bigstig wrote...

I don't get the hate on the endings, okay it wasn't a we win yay! ending but still it felt like an end.

It's cool if you don't like it, you can't please everyone all of the time, if you don't like it I respect your opinion we are all entitled to an opinion. However don't **** and moan or demand to get your own, you don't do yourselves any favours by acting in this way.

I hope that there is more Mass Effect and yes I hope that there is more Mass Effect with my Shephard not because I demand or even expect closure(it's war people not everyone survives) but because I want to experience more in the diverse universe. When the inevitable DLC comes I hope Bioware stick with their original design and don't cave into peer pressure, If you think the endings are bad now(I don't) imagine what it'd be like if they have to shoehorn in a "happy" ending.

There's "hate on the endings" because of the gigantic plotholes you could drive the Normandy SR-2 through, like the fact that it contradicts the entire point of the Geth and EDI. And, again, we don't want a happy ending as THE OFFICIAL ONLY ENDING EVARRRRR EVERYTHING SHOULD BE HAPPY BUNNIES RAINBOWS AND BABY TURIANS HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST PEOPLE COULD DIE IN A WA R BIOWARE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!! That's not it at all. We want one as a possibility. Just like we want as a possibility that Shepard fails horribly and the Reaper cycle continues. Along with the other fourteen endings we were promised. That's it. Some closure'd be nice, too. You know, like they did in DA: Origins.

[DoktorAffentanz]

jeweledleah wrote...

Rubicon83 wrote...


By the way, i was reminded of this phrase when i chose the Synthethis-ending and contemplated its ominous paralel to the Mass Effect Universe..

"Human. We were once like them. Flawed, organic.... but we evolved to include the synthetic." .. Borg Queen, Star Trek: First Contact

oh, most definitely!  and I wanted my Shepard do pull Picard and scream: "NO.  we draw the line HERE!  this far!  no farther!"

the paralels between Reapers and borg are extremely strong IMO.  a race that blends synthetic and organic, that assimilates organic beings and makes them their own, uses them as more foot soldiers.  adopts to anything you throw at them, consumes everything in its way.  doesn't destroy - reaps.  the fight for humanity seems so hopeless in Star Trek.  how do you defeat that which uses your very own to fill its numbers?  and yet, Star Trek managed to deal with this beautifuly.  (and then they introduced species 8472, but even then - they made so much more sence then the god child and I felt that they worked with the narrative, unlike the godchild.)

Sooo true!!

[Mastone]

Seival wrote...

By the way. There are actually two ME3 ending reviews that BioWare should watch. Both reviews explain everything about player's feelings regarding ME3 endings:




People, If you find more such reviews, please, post them here.

I found this review ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b33tJx8iy0A
I knpw it's comedic pun, but there is a lot of truth in comedy

[Leem_0001]

MaddestHatter wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

Ah - then if you weren't aware of the promises made I can see why it isn't an issue to you. Can I ask if you played the other ME games or just ME3?

But if you came into the game with no expectations, and are thrilled with it, I am happy for you. Genuinely. And to all those that liked it, the same goes - and a bit jealous as you got the experience I was hoping for lol. For me this argument isn't (or shouldn't be) between gamers.

It was the expectation of what was promised, and how that promise wasn't delievered on that has upset a lot of people.

Yes, i've played every game, multiple times, i agree on this shouldn't be an argument between gamers.
On some occasion i understand why people are startled on scenes like the normandy flying somewhere and stuff. so we i won't say it doesn't make sense, since we don't know what acutally happened and why this happened. I too am quite curious about an explanation or an dlc as epilogue or something.
As for my game experience of all three games, all the parts are fitting for me, for the arguement that sheppard should have the choice of rejection and fight, i don't think this would've been in his interest, since he wanted to survice no matter what, rejection would've simply ended in extinction on my view.

But i have to say it is nice to have such an peacefully argument.

Yeah, debate is good, and as we agreed it shouldn't be between gamers.

There are obviously people who like everything as it is, and that's great for them - so if optional endings were released via DLC that tied up the concerns many had, the I think Bioware would go someway to resolving this.