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[Le0n1]

Just want to say that I'm loving the sycophantic posts by some of the people that found the ending satisfying.

Oh, I loved the ending, your studio is one of God's gifts to the world , Bioware. Don't listen to philistines. They are not worthy of your divine touch.

It really shows your level of intelectual maturity. No wonder you liked that poor attempt at a nietzschean finale.

Not that I expect you to know who good old Friedrich is.

Modifié par Le0n1, 21 mars 2012 - 01:33 .

[Hewitt]

Jerry da Killer wrote...

GIEV DIZ PEEPHOLE AEYR wrote...

you cant spell "reaper" with ea

Hahahahaha!!! So true. I have a feeling that Bioware wasnt done with the games but EA told them that they were, and thus we got those absolutely terrible endings.

I'm not sure about that. EA really only cares about the bottom line, and future bottom lines (future games and IPs).

There's not much left of this generation so Bioware's next big IP will be on the next consoles. But if EA made Bioware rush this game out and forced them to bolt a weird ending on to wrap it up then they endanger their new IP on the next console (which is a big risk anyway). Reputation is a big thing here, and I don't think EA would even wanna risk that.

[Controller_B]

Victoriawren wrote...

Endings are heartless.

It's a lesson I can never seem to learn. So it is hardly surprising that when Commander Shepard and I finally defeated the Reapers, I felt empty. I wanted more than a colorful explosion & a trite "The End." What I wanted was more story, for the ending not to be. Can you blame me?

And thus I counted myself among the angry & dissatisfied. Surely Shepard deserved better, didn't she? There had to be something I could do, something I could say, that would convince the story-tellers to give me more options. After all I am telling her story too, aren't I? I choose how her story goes, don't I? And none of these endings are the one I would choose. It made no sense.

I got so wrapped up in the drama of my own desire that I forgot something huge. The "ending" was never the point. And then I recalled something Stephen King said:

"You are the grim, goal-oriented ones who will not believe that the joy is in the journey, not in the destination, no matter how many times it has been proven to you. You are the unfortunate ones who still get the lovemaking all confused with the paltry squirt that comes to end the lovemaking…you are the cruel ones who deny the grey havens where tired characters go to rest. You say you want to know how it all comes out. You say you want to follow Roland into the tower. You say that’s what you’ve paid your money for –the show you came to see.

I hope most of you know better. Want better. I hope you came to hear the tale, and not just munch your way through the pages to the ending. For an ending, you only have to turn to the last page and see what is there writ upon. But endings are heartless. An ending is a closed door no man or Manni can open.

I tell you this. Should you go on, you will surely be disappointed. Perhaps even heartbroken … There’s no such thing as a happy ending. I never met a single one to equal 'Once Upon a Time'. Endings are heartless. An ending is just another word for goodbye."

There is much to be said on the side of those who want a DLC to Retake Mass Effect. But others in the community have said it all already, and more eloquently then I could. And I can't say I disagree with a word of it. I don't. As rational as I try to be, I still don't want to let go of the Commander and her crew. Especially not like this.

If BioWare should choose to produce a revised "ending DLC" I will happily lay down my cash for it. (Those that think we will be getting anything worthwhile for free are sadly delusional. This is a business for BioWare & everything they make costs them money. So meet them halfway here, they are much more likely to bend to our desires if there is something in it for them.)

But if BioWare chooses to stand by their product, I will do my best to be satisfied. It would take more than the end I was given to negate the beautiful story that went before. I will try not to be of the grim & goal-oriented, and instead cherish the journey I had.

I guess what I'm saying is, I don't have a dog in this race. All the anger & venom just make me sad.

I really like that King quote and thought it was pitch perfect for his series. But even King knew to have an epilogue for all characters we had come to love. Here, King gives you the option of ending the series on a happy note without ever learning what's really at the top of the tower. And funnily enough, the compulsion you feel to read ahead anyways, despite king's warning, sort of turns you into a type of Roland yourself. You make a sacrifice, just to know what's in the tower.

But I don't know if I can apply this lesson to mass effect 3. The lack of closure guarentees that the ending matters greatly.

[RogueBot]

My two favorite moments in the game were:

1. After defeating the Reaper on Rannoch, my forceful "negotiation" of peace between the Quarians and Geth, and afterwards when my favorite character, Legion, commited suicide to give the Geth independence. It was very sad, but I felt like Commander Shepard, Legion, and Tali accomplished something amazing.

2. Curing the genophage for my buddy Wrex. Mordin is my next favorite character behind Legion, and I felt like I was helping him, too, by bringing him some peace before he died.

My main problems with the ending are that it lacks resolution, as well as being intentionally vague (regarding possible indoctrination, among other things). While I appreciate some of it from a detached standpoint, I don't feel like it was consistent with the style of storytelling present in most of the trilogy.

Modifié par RogueBot, 21 mars 2012 - 01:31 .

[TheShadowWolf911]

i'm half expecting Bridged Iruka to pop in and say "im the test audience for the ME 3 ending!".

not alot of you will get that joke, but to those who do.........hopefully you'll get a chuckle.

[xFyre1]

Went back to review the endings. Don't know what to think of the Indoctrination theory now.

In a way, most details seem so well crafted that after proper examination, it is almost undeniable. The ghostly plants and trees from Shepard's dreams after he gets hit by the beam, the male and female shepard voices ringing alongside the Catalyst's, the slight change in music when you walk towards the synthesis/control OR destroy ending, the change in paragon/renegade colors to confuse the player, the awkward echoing of sounds, the "Last breath" cutscene in the destroy ending, etc...

All that points towards the theory being true or at least very close to the truth.

But then, there's the existence of the normandy crash and stargazer cutscenes and the "Shepard has become a legend by ENDING THE REAPER MENACE" message at the end. Why would that be there?

Maybe it could be a way of covering the actual cliffhanger, but I don't know.

What I think is that Mac and the team wouldn't create so many plot holes and contradictions in the ending of such an important franchise just like that. Perhaps they had an idea for a more majestic ending and needed more dev time, so they went this route.

Wait and see, we must. If all this turns out to be true, I'll bow my head and let them take my money.


EDIT: Another possibly meaningless, but interesting thing is that the guys at the Mass Effect twitter answered every single one of my questions, no matter how outrageous (which were a lot) right until I asked them about the Indoctrination Theory.

Modifié par xFyre1, 21 mars 2012 - 01:31 .

[Dr.Goodspeed]

Hewitt wrote...

Wow, this is pretty good. Thanks.

[Astern hedgehog]

Shooting cans with garrus.

[longtimecoming00]

@Xigence

Vocal or not, they do have a point in that the ending is non-nonsensical. It's almost as if Bioware took the offspring of a Chekhov's gun and a Deus Ex Machina, slapped three different coats of paint on it and decided it was good enough for an ending to an otherwise great series.

Besides, there's really no point in arguing with them. No matter what you say, they're not going to change their minds on this. Why bother spending so much time and effort into what is essentially a futile task when there's so much more to do in life?

Modifié par longtimecoming00, 21 mars 2012 - 01:28 .

[improperdancing]

I already chimed in on some issues with the ending, but I'd also like to add that the bit at the end with the old man telling the story of The Shepherd was awful and cheesy. And, aside from that, it also didn't make any sense if you played renegade Shepherd. Sure, you may have saved the galaxy, but you also probably betrayed and murdered most of your friends to do it. A hero? I don't really know, but certainly not a role model for children.

"And then there was the time that The Shepherd shot Mordin in the back in cold blood and doomed the Krogan race to extinction after making an under the table deal with the Salarians."

Modifié par improperdancing, 21 mars 2012 - 01:31 .

[improperdancing]

Mistake post.

Modifié par improperdancing, 21 mars 2012 - 01:31 .

[DoktorAffentanz]

Dammit!! I seriously can't understand, why some people just can't understand!

The Mass Effect series was the best thing to run on my beloved PC since I don't know what! Never in my over twenty years of playing Video Games has there been a game that, involved me to such a degree. I created my own character, fought it through the first game, made decisions and won... fought through the second game, made decisions and won... it was just so exciting and... satisfying. And then I took my char from the first to games, fought through and finally... LOST!!!

It was just a slap in the face, that nothing you could do changed ANYTHING!!! YOU LOST!!! Period.

That's just not fair. I, like all the other 1st-Hour-Fans supported the franchise by buying ME1 & ME2 + DLCs and that's how the devs thank us? By slapping the three choices of "who gives a damn, you're dead?" at us? I don't think so!! No matter what all these "It's their story and if this is the way they want to end this, it's good."-kind of people are trying to say. It's not only theirs. It also is ours, because we were the ones who supported them from day one and thats why we deserve something better than this....

[michal9o90]

I'm Inviting particularly Bioware workers to my topic about FTL speed, and joker escaping. I did some calculations for prove that ending is illogical. I hope you will enyoj this

http://social.biowar...ndex/10338578/1

[Old Mariner]

Well, i rearely post on the BW forums, but i always read them.
I just finished ME3 and I am shocked about the ending. I kept staring at the ending titles, with that "WTF" face a lot of people, i guess, have experienced this days.
I am a true fan of mass effect games, I really am, in fact this was my favourite game trilogy in years. I was so looking forward to see the consequences of all my decisions in this final chapter.
Hours of gameplay wasted by the last 10 minutes.

And what about the statement you made, Casey?
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“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets?”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.”

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.”
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Yeah, right.
All I can say is I'm holding the line with all the true and loyal fans that have been slapped in the face and deceived by that unholy unspeakable ending.

Casey, did you really think it was a good idea after three games of this magnitude to create an ending like that?
They said the ending was created in order to let people "talk about it".
Damn right we are talking about it, only problem is there is a *** load of people, including myself, enraged but that pile of garbage of an ending.
I think Bioware better really fix things quickly, or else unfortunately ME will be remembered by the majority of players to have been a great game but with one of the worst ending for a trilogy. Is this really the legacy you want for this game, Casey and all the Bioware guys, after all this years of work?

[TheRazgrez]

  so are the people at bioware really listening? I mean really? or is this indoctranation theory real? I mean with everything I've heard and read possibly true....

http://uninhibitedan.../mind-holy-fuck

[Virtigo501]

Let me ask this.  Is this the reason Drew Karpyshyn decided to leave Bioware?  EA took away his series by tacking on their own ending?  After years of writing an amazing series, THAT'S the kind of thing that would make me quit.  Can anyone think of a good reason anyone would end their own epic like this?  Would love to hear from Drew himself on the ending.

[Xigence]

longtimecoming00 wrote...

@Xigence

Vocal or not, they do have a point in that the ending is non-nonsensical. It's almost as if Bioware took the offspring of a Chekhov's gun and a Deus Ex Machina, slapped three different coats of paint on it and decided it was good enough for an ending to an otherwise great series.

Besides, there's really no point in arguing with them. No matter what you say, they're not going to change their minds on this. Why bother spending so much time and effort into what is essentially a futile task when there's so much more to do in life?

Because one man uniting a galaxy of trillions of aliens based on either being a jerk or a somewhat okay motivational speaker always screamed brilliant. As was Shepherd running errands for everyone on the Citadel in a completely overt fashion that never drew any attention. And rushing in with only a three man squad to fight off dozens of enemies at a time instead of, you know, taking your whole squad? If you sit back and think about just how stupid it all is, doesn't it seem a bit silly that one thing thing people are up in arms over is the ending? It was all dumb, but just like any form of fiction that builds a world to this degree you have to suspend your disbelief and play along to enjoy it. As I said before, the reason this resonated so much with complainers is because it was the final moments in a saga they enjoyed, and it didn't meet what they had already built in their mind. Shepherd's death was foreshadowed long ago. He was dead. The game had a dumb bubblegum ending with the "life goes on" scenario, likely because the producers felt like there'd be even more ****ing if life was destroyed. The series was always penned as having a grim nature, and the Reapers were the pinnacle of technology. But they couldn't kill off one guy who literally traveled around the galaxy pinging his location to them.

And I know there's no point. I'm old enough to realize that, and I'm sure there's much more to do in life. But we never see it that way, which is why we waste time on frivalous video games and redundant internet arguments. Whether it's some form of self-gratification or just borderline masochism, there's no real explanation for it. Another mystery of life.

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

Casey ran out of excuses for the endings clearly. It saddens me that Mass Effect is now reduced into a crap pile which didn't want in the first place.

I only played Mass Effect 1 after a year it was released and since then I've been watching and waiting for the other episodes to be developed and released.

After finishing Mass Effect 3 and reflect on it. The entire ending just showed something else and not entirely true to the Mass Effect lore.

Its disgusting and appalling to finally realize that all those time spent playing a game from episode one to two was negated.

[theacefes]

I think that the fact that the game has only been out for a couple weeks and there is so much backlash that the developers are actually coming out and saying something about it - not saying "no" but giving the impression that they are listening - that's a start. So I wouldn't call it futile.

[StillOverrated]

Xigence wrote...

And I know there's no point. I'm old enough to realize that, and I'm sure there's much more to do in life. But we never see it that way, which is why we waste time on frivalous video games and redundant internet arguments. Whether it's some form of self-gratification or just borderline masochism, there's no real explanation for it. Another mystery of life.

Because. We. Paid. For. One. Thing. Which. Was. Promised. To. Us. And. Did. Not. Get. It. That kinda gives us right and reason to complain.

[MeganHunter]

What I think is that Mac and the team wouldn't create so many plot holes and contradictions in the ending of such an important franchise just like that. Perhaps they had an idea for a more majestic ending and needed more dev time, so they went this route.

Wait and see, we must. If all this turns out to be true, I'll bow my head and let them take my money.

I could absolutely see them taking a narrative gamble, and would salute them for doing so.

But with respect, if they actually were planning to sell our ending seperately, then that FTC nonsense would actually have a leg to stand on. I wrote IP things for Mattel for a short while: if we tried to do that we should have gotten sued. Big companies should never be allowed to not finish in time, and not give you the ending in the base package. While it's possible with digital media, it better be free and with several huge apologies. And baked goods. Possibly stickers. The thought of not finishing in time, even after pushing the date back, is terrible. The thought of doing it on purpose to get a few more bucks out of a person is criminal.

That said, I just heard something about a leaked script, and a theory that they felt they had to change the ending because of it. I didn't want to look too closely, for fear it was true and those story bits might return. But once I heard that, I felt a lot more empathy for Bioware and a lot more blame for whoever leaked it. Containing our IP was the most serious, and hardest, thing we had to do. There's nothing worse than working hard on a story just to have someone ruin it all before release. I don't know if I would have wanted to actually change the story, but I'm not really smart in those business ways. I'd certainly cut them way more slack if that turned out to be true. Plus, they've always been a friend to the LGBTs.

But glowing children? Really?

Modifié par MeganHunter, 21 mars 2012 - 01:54 .

[vicentito]

 I want an end that makes sense.... current endings is like a worm inside my brain...devouring all rational thinking.
Just to be clear I'm ok with a sacrify ending...I just want it rational...please I hate "Losty" type of twists at the last minute.
The space brat... that was a baaaaad choice.
How can a game be so good and the last minutes be sooo bad, what happened? Bioware fired all the writers of the team and replace them with husks?... is it reaper technology? indoctrination?
Seriously the writing for the game was superb...how can get so bad so quick?

[tschamp]

If Bioware is listening, give them something to listen to be letting them hear your voice. I have a podcast feed. I am willing to host show where you all can speak out your concern via Skype. If you are interested in doing this, contact me thru the mail system here.

Modifié par tschamp, 21 mars 2012 - 01:56 .

[Dr.Goodspeed]

TheRazgrez wrote...

  so are the people at bioware really listening? I mean really? or is this indoctranation theory real? I mean with everything I've heard and read possibly true....

http://uninhibitedan.../mind-holy-fuck

Forget everything I wrote up to now if this is actually real.