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Captin Carter

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Script leak=this crap. Have a little faith, bioware was rumored to have to deal with a massive script leak and in response scrubbed the original ending for this which is yes painful but it did buy them some time and give them a chance to see exactly where we all wanted the story to go. For the full anonymous rumor GOOGLE MASS EFFECT 3 THE TRUTH. The more i go over things the more plausible this rumor becomes. Go see it for yourself.

I work in a video game store and recently i spend half the day convincing people to hold out a little longer for bioware to come through. If your reading this your obviously still holding obto some grain of hope so do me and all ME fans a favor and spread this around, hope is something we could all use right about now.

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The more I see the ending of Mass Effect 3, the more I see that it's somewhat good, but rushed, rushed, rushed, ill-explained and badly executed.

The idea you tried to pass is good. All Reaper techonology must go, including the Mass Relays AND the Citadel. If you put some thought why civilizations stagnate when they reach The Citadel, you see this could be a form of Indoctrination, or just simply lack of motivation to advance, generated by the Reapers.

But it was SO BADLY EXECUTED, that all you feel it's the bitter taste of lack of choices.

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THIS is a great breakdown of why the ending was so disappointing.

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If Bioware plan a DLC with extra endings, better endings, i do not mind to pay for it and i will pay for it.

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I would LOVE to see something like this:

Assuming the Indoctrination Theory is correct, I think they should keep the original ending if a post-ending DLC is added.

Your final decision should determine whether your Shepard lives or dies.

If you choose Control or Synthesis, Shepard dies and beating the Reapers becomes a matter of your EMS score. If you had a very high EMS, then your squadmates, your war assets, and the Normandy all take part in the TRUE final push towards beating the Reapers. They end up defeating the Reapers, Shepard is post-humously glorified throughout the galaxy, and you get to see how your decisions affected certain civilazations. Of course, this would be played out all through cutscenes. A low EMS results in the Reapers wiping out all organic life.

But if your Shepard LIVES...

This would only apply if you chose the Destroy option. Shepard watches the final push toward the Citadel beam take place. Broken, battered, and bleeding, Shepard passes out after watching Harbinger be destroyed by all of the galactic civilizations working together. Shepard wakes up in a hospital, ends up describing his dream to someone, and realizes he was indoctrinated (thus explaining the IT to people who didn't understand the ending.) You get to go to each homeworld of the civilizations you helped, and see how your decisions affected everything. You would get to talk to people like Wrex/Wreav, the salarian dalatrass, the quarian ambassadors/the geth, etc.
There would be a few mssions, like cleaning up Cerberus hideaways, or killing any remaining Reaper forces (if any.)

Your last mission would be to retire. Where you retire depends on your LI, or background. If you romanced Tali, you can go to Rannoch, if you romanced Liara, you can go to Thessia, etc. If you didn't romance anyone, you can go to Earth, to the colony where you were from, or back to the space station where you were born.

At this point, there would be a voice over describing what happened to each of the races. Whose voice it is depends on your LI. If you didn't romance anybody, you get to deal with the Stargazer. If you romanced Tali, a quarian would be speaking. If you romanced Garrus, a turian. But if you romanced Liara, Liara herself is speaking. Each would tell their children stories of each civilization in their own, distinct ways. It would be a lot like the Stargazer credits, but without them saying "the Shepard" or having no tech.

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attack vector wrote...

I never post on the forums... but having recently finished ME3. I just had to add my voice. I will try to be as constructive as possible.

I can't say anything about the endings that haven't already been echoed by the masses of fans. But I felt compelled to relay to Bioware, my reaction to the end of ME3.

I own all 3 games. Collectors editions. All of the art books (even the seperate hard cover ones not packed with the games. I own the strategy guides. I have every achievement for the first 2 games. And I was positive that my conquest of the 3rd and final game would be no different. However after finishing ME3... I'm not sure anymore.

I largely agree with the core sentiment. That I had been stripped of my choice, and my influence diminished so that the ending was no longer in my hands, undoing my 100+ hours of emotional investment across 3 games.

My aim here is not to challenge the ending. This is Biowares world and their creation and I'm grateful that you let us experience that universe through our commander Shepard(s). If this is the way you wanted the galaxy to go out... then so be it. You told the tale well and your quality of execution was gorgeous... to the last. (the piano theme haunts me in my sleep).

The unfortunate reality of telling the tale so well... was that by ending it the way you did, you totally shut down my will and desire to continue to play in the ME universe. To me it's over. I haven't been compelled to touch multiplayer or do my obligatory NG+ playthroughs + insanity. You altered the fictional universe forever... the Citadel was my most favorite place. I looked forward to discovering the origins of the Keepers. But you blew it up... so I don't care anymore. I wanted to go back to Illium and Thessia in future adventures... but without the Mass relays, that's a little hard. The end-game totally shut me down.

In the past... once a Mass Effect game went in to the tray of my xbox it would stay there for MONTHS. literally. it would be the only thing, the only place I'd want to escape to. At the end of ME3 I did something I had never done before. I took the disc out of my xbox and put it away. I've had no desire whatsoever to experience that universe because now I know how it ends. I'm sad about it... but I repsect Bioware as artists and creators for telling the tale they wanted to tell.

I'm honestly not sure DLC will make it any different. It's kind of like I know the truth now. The real truth... I know how it was supposed to end, so that any attempt to create a DLC ending, or alternate fictional branch will just seem like fan service. You guys totally shut me down. I will remember the ME universe as a wonderous and beautiful place that I got to experience for a limited time. I will cherish my memories there... but I just can't bring myself to back and experience the 3rd game again.

I'm sure this post will be piled on by the hundreds more to follow and nobody from Bioware will read this... but I appreciate that the forums exist... that the fans are moved, and that Bioware even created the ME universe to begin with. I've made my peace and I'm hoping this brings me the closure I'm looking for.

Thanks for the Memories.
So long Commander Shepard.


Maybe BioWare won't listen but I read.
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Old Mariner wrote...

They really should have kept the storyline that Drew Karpyshyn was building.
But im thinking the ending is just this crappy because they ran out of ideas in the long run and didn't really care about fan reaction. Meh, i don't know.
It's just sad that now i really hate the idea of playing again any of the ME games.
Damn did we really deserved an ending like that?
What where they thinking?


Agreed.  With my entire being and sense, agreed.  That ending actually had to do with the main theme of all the Mass Effect games... the mass effect fields.  All of the story structure and themes and foreshadowing eluded to that ending, but NOOOO...

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 Firstley, I loved the game, I just got through my second playthrough. I thought I might not be able to, that my anger at the endings would mess it up, but that changed once I got back into the normandy and started saving the galaxy again. It instantly fixed that problem, at least until I got to the end again. My favorite moment might be when Javik tells James a joke. That made me laugh, or all of the EDI moments, those got me laughing too, and those moments when my friends died, those got me crying, especially because I did a rush play through the last ten hours or so, which lead to Mordin and Thane and then Legion dying in one sitting. I was almost in the fetal position from grief, you are that good of story tellers. Now, onto the obvious thing, I just want one ending, one where Shep lives without having to sacrifice his moral standards and killing off the innocent Geth and EDI. My Shep was full paragon, so it doesn't make sense to kill me because I won't murder an innocent race. But, that is my only gripe, I'll buy a DLC or find a 'secret ending', or something that gets me the happy "Shep rides into the sunset with Tali at his side" ending I wanted.

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Paulomedi wrote...

The idea you tried to pass is good. All Reaper techonology must go, including the Mass Relays AND the Citadel. If you put some thought why civilizations stagnate when they reach The Citadel, you see this could be a form of Indoctrination, or just simply lack of motivation to advance, generated by the Reapers.

But it was SO BADLY EXECUTED, that all you feel it's the bitter taste of lack of choices.


I hadn't thought of this angle, but you're dropping some wisdom! I like that direction, fully executed there's a lot of symbolism there. Good work, you filthy Batarian terrorist. (Actually another twist, the Batarians left...maybe their hubris has spared them from this symbolic indoctrination? Always wished one popped into the party.)

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From Forbes:

http://www.forbes.co...money-for-kids/

Modifié par tschamp, 21 mars 2012 - 02:46 .


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Wesker1984 wrote...

If Bioware plan a DLC with extra endings, better endings, i do not mind to pay for it and i will pay for it.


Same here. And I am going to buy ME1, ME2 and ME3 and gift it to someone.

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Deaddude56 wrote...

I would LOVE to see something like this:

Assuming the Indoctrination Theory is correct, I think they should keep the original ending if a post-ending DLC is added.

Your final decision should determine whether your Shepard lives or dies.

If you choose Control or Synthesis, Shepard dies and beating the Reapers becomes a matter of your EMS score. If you had a very high EMS, then your squadmates, your war assets, and the Normandy all take part in the TRUE final push towards beating the Reapers. They end up defeating the Reapers, Shepard is post-humously glorified throughout the galaxy, and you get to see how your decisions affected certain civilazations. Of course, this would be played out all through cutscenes. A low EMS results in the Reapers wiping out all organic life.

But if your Shepard LIVES...

This would only apply if you chose the Destroy option. Shepard watches the final push toward the Citadel beam take place. Broken, battered, and bleeding, Shepard passes out after watching Harbinger be destroyed by all of the galactic civilizations working together. Shepard wakes up in a hospital, ends up describing his dream to someone, and realizes he was indoctrinated (thus explaining the IT to people who didn't understand the ending.) You get to go to each homeworld of the civilizations you helped, and see how your decisions affected everything. You would get to talk to people like Wrex/Wreav, the salarian dalatrass, the quarian ambassadors/the geth, etc.
There would be a few mssions, like cleaning up Cerberus hideaways, or killing any remaining Reaper forces (if any.)

Your last mission would be to retire. Where you retire depends on your LI, or background. If you romanced Tali, you can go to Rannoch, if you romanced Liara, you can go to Thessia, etc. If you didn't romance anyone, you can go to Earth, to the colony where you were from, or back to the space station where you were born.

At this point, there would be a voice over describing what happened to each of the races. Whose voice it is depends on your LI. If you didn't romance anybody, you get to deal with the Stargazer. If you romanced Tali, a quarian would be speaking. If you romanced Garrus, a turian. But if you romanced Liara, Liara herself is speaking. Each would tell their children stories of each civilization in their own, distinct ways. It would be a lot like the Stargazer credits, but without them saying "the Shepard" or having no tech.


The indoctrination theory is a farse, please read: 
http://social.biowar...ndex/10093191/1 

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MeganHunter wrote...

Paulomedi wrote...

The idea you tried to pass is good. All Reaper techonology must go, including the Mass Relays AND the Citadel. If you put some thought why civilizations stagnate when they reach The Citadel, you see this could be a form of Indoctrination, or just simply lack of motivation to advance, generated by the Reapers.

But it was SO BADLY EXECUTED, that all you feel it's the bitter taste of lack of choices.


I hadn't thought of this angle, but you're dropping some wisdom! I like that direction, fully executed there's a lot of symbolism there. Good work, you filthy Batarian terrorist. (Actually another twist, the Batarians left...maybe their hubris has spared them from this symbolic indoctrination? Always wished one popped into the party.)


My dear Quarian-gypsy, Batarians always see ALL angles. Four eyes, you see?

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PedEgg wrote...

yarnperson wrote...

Coolfaec wrote...

Listen to this guy, he's got it spot on:
www.youtube.com/watch


100% True


YES. This video is the go-to for anyone who doesn't understand what was wrong with the ending.



So true.
Also I think everyone enraged by the endings should listen to this guy www.youtube.com/watch

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"Yes, we are listening"

Prove it Bioware. Say something on this thread to restore our faith in you.

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I have watched plenty of TV series that ended poorly. Some so bad I didnt buy the show on DVD. I have also avoided TV shows made by the samme creator. I have read book series so bad that I stopped buying books from an author.

Not buying future games from a company that makes poor endings is an acceptable option as well.

No matter what does or not changes. Somehow Bioware thought a poorly written confusing ending they released was great. I dont think I will ever understand that. I will say I haven't been surprised by such a poor end to something I have enjoyed it a while..


donating money to chip-in has been one nice way to feel better, and some of the funny videos (animal house ending for example, have been very funnY)

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Resignation tinged with relief, you don't usually see Elcor husks because our adrenaline moves so slowly. With great humility, that's lucky for you krogan. Pause for comic effect, but today is not your lucky day. With treacherous guile, no krogan that isn't the sound of my cannons starting up.

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RogueBot wrote...

My two favorite moments in the game were:

1. After defeating the Reaper on Rannoch, my forceful "negotiation" of peace between the Quarians and Geth, and afterwards when my favorite character, Legion, commited suicide to give the Geth independence. It was very sad, but I felt like Commander Shepard, Legion, and Tali accomplished something amazing.

2. Curing the genophage for my buddy Wrex. Mordin is my next favorite character behind Legion, and I felt like I was helping him, too, by bringing him some peace before he died.

My main problems with the ending are that it lacks resolution, as well as being intentionally vague (regarding possible indoctrination, among other things). While I appreciate some of it from a detached standpoint, I don't feel like it was consistent with the style of storytelling present in most of the trilogy.


Yea, those were two great endings to past squad-mates. Thinking on that though, and using those two as an example, the ending to me felt like if those two side stories just ended at the death of those previous squad mates and went Fade to Black. We wouldn't see how their sacrifice concluded the side story and wouldn't feel as fulfilling. They were given heroic closure to their stories and their deaths were ment for something which we saw the end result of.

I didn't feel that way for my Shep.

Also, man that Ardat Yakshi Monastery Mission was one of the best also (even Samara got closure). I want to play that one again to not do the interrupt to see the results of that but it was too creepy. I'm gathering the resolve to go thru it again.:D

It's funny how squad mates that were in around 3/4th a game get more closure than the main character three games in.

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Forgot to mention: this rumored dlc is free and a part of a me3 multiplayer expansion pack. Can you say Prothean Adept?

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I really enjoyed all three Mass Effect game, i found the story, characters and the universe to be compelling, but i agree with a lot of the above people, in the end all the choices i made, all the friends and enemies i made, all the people i lost/saved came to nothing. I hope you do, do something about the ending, it would be a shame to let such an amazing game trilogy, one of my personal favorites, be ruined by this.

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sircaren wrote...

It was pure brilliance.

Until the ending.


Agreed.

I loved every minute of Mass Effect 3.

But the ending made me think "Wait.. what?".

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MeganHunter wrote...

Resignation tinged with relief, you don't usually see Elcor husks because our adrenaline moves so slowly. With great humility, that's lucky for you krogan. Pause for comic effect, but today is not your lucky day. With treacherous guile, no krogan that isn't the sound of my cannons starting up.


We should have seen the Elcor with cannons in their backs, The Volus' moles putting explosives through tunnels, and oh joy, Biotic Hanar with six guns SHREDDING HUSKS!

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My favourite moment was when grunt came out of the caves covered in blood and just said "anybody got something to eat" that was just epic.
I do however have 1 complaint, Why were the romance options so insignificant. There was very little to them and I was expecting more.
Other than that the game was near perfect and the only critical flaw was the ending.

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EDIT. messed up. Now the Batarian will drink a beer listening a great song!

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Paulomedi, 21 mars 2012 - 03:17 .