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chevyguy87 wrote...

im still banking on the indoctrination theory here i mean think about it the only ending where shep supposedly "lives" takes place after you destroy the reapers and gasps for air back on earth (shep never left earth and magically teleported to the citadel) i can only speculate that the whole starchild on the citadel fiasco was harbingers way of getting shep to oblige to his will (which took place in sheps mind) but if shep destroys the reapers the indoctrination is broken and shep "survives" i dont know where bioware is going but i really hope they resolve the issue i for one would like to see shep live and finally settle down with his/her love interest and enjoy life without war and to see anderson and kahlee sanders also settle down and enjoy what retirement brings i am a solemn believer that more fans will find enjoyment if the series ends on a happy note but i digress

Support it too! Makes sense

[Thaa_solon]

"We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback."

My favorite moment is on rannoch when the reaper gets blasted from orbit, and also when I found space hamster.

Worst part of the game is the awful ending.

Now I am ready for discussion

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Thaa_solon wrote...

"We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback."

My favorite moment is on rannoch when the reaper gets blasted from orbit, and also when I found space hamster.

Worst part of the game is the awful ending.

Now I am ready for discussion

Welcome 337 pages in ;D btw you found a space hamster!? 
Must have! xD

[webrakefornobody]

#1 The Reapers
according to ME3 they're conservationists and wiping out a couple of organic civilisations every 50k years is the best way to save all organic life from being killed off by some random synthetics.
i really, really would have prefered NO explanation to THAT explanation. final dialogue: "our origin doesn't concern you, neither does our motivation, you must only know this: you will be destroyed."

#2 Starchild
everything that needs to be said about this boy/AIs tale, has already been said. my opinion concerning his appearance: hudson & co had sentient starships that are 2km long and ancient-beyond-measure at hand, but they chose to confront us with the hologram of a little boy.
f*** starchild, give me harbinger, this feels like return of the jedi without darth vader, the emperor AND the death star.

#3 The Meaning of Life
the should have let my decisions matter until the end. i appreciate how the game resolves issues like the genophage and the geth-quarian conflict, but during the end, nothing matters. i'm not talking about a dozen different endings, i only want two: fail & suceeed, but very much like the suicide mission from mass effect 2, i would like to have had my version orchestrated in a more or less unique way. all available crewmembers should have been in the fight at the the end. different squads, different tasks. volus bomber fleets and shadow broker squads (for instance) to help them, if the player accomplished the side quests.
the last part's much too linerar for my ME taste.

#4 A, B or C?
bech. 'nuff said.
back to #2. final confrontation with harbinger. he's trying to assume control and depending on stuff that i did during the campaign i'm given more or less options to fight this, finally resulting in either a) becoming indoctrinated by harbinger and deactivating the crucible or resisting the old fart and pressing that bit red button (i'm sure buttons are univeral tools to activate things - unlike reaching into lightning or shooting pipes) and destroying the reapers. if the player didn't collect x amounts of scientists this also destroys the crucible/citadel, because a couple of screws were loose.

[Stigweird85]

I seem to be in the minority in that I didn't hate the ending, then I started reading about the indoctrination theory and it makes it so much better.

There are not three endings to the game, there is one. Destruction is the only option that doesn't contradict everything that the previous games have lead to.

Saren wanted to merge
Illusive Man wanted to control

The "villians" have tried and failed the other options. Somewhere, someone at Bioware is laughing as he/she has duped us all.

[samb]

[quote]pharsti wrote...
It does for me, i understood as if the stargazer had just told the child how the legend of "the" Shepard began, not how it ended, if that was the end, then what would be the point in him telling something prior to it?
Attention, this means i dismiss it as just a dlc entry point.[/quote]
I guess that is possible.  Again with nothing definative all we can do is guess.  It's just an empty feeling where there shouldn't be one.
[quote]
EDIT: Besides, like i said, the scene doesnt make sense if you chose synthesis, there are no "different life" out there, they didnt even bother to put a single line of dialogue to match the different endings.[/quote]
Just because everything is techo-organic doesn't mean they are the same.


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Thats all implied right >_>? See, this is one of the problems that plagues the synthesis ending, you really have to start thinking about science as magic to accept it.[/quote]
I am fine with that as long as it is consistent.

[quote]No, my problem isnt if its possible, my problem is on how simple it all is, so blasting everything with a wave will turn everyone into hybrids, no distinction (i mean, even trees went hybrid), in seconds? Again, like the control ending, its really out there, thou, i will admit, i like the implications of it.[/quote]
As do I.  Maybe changing your genetic makeup will be as simple as hooking up your omni-tool and running a program.  Maybe we can communicate like the Protheans do with just a touch.  Be on the verge of true understanding.  This was why I picked the synthesis ending.

[quote]
Wish i could do that, seeing Liara leave the ship made me feel happy for about 1 second, until my mind just understood the impossibility of what i was seeing.... and then EDI comes out (i picked destroy) and that.... that definitely shows me that they just made the ending scenes without attention, its as generic an ending as ive ever seen one.[/quote]
I was desperate for any kind of closeure.  Besides, EDI putting her arm around Joker was just so poingant and symbolic.  She was acting like a real girl would when she is in love.  Not only could organics and synthetics get along, they can fall in love.  Cheers to Joker for not only surviving the war but getting the girl in the end.


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Yes, it would, i for one dont even want them to change the ending, best case scenario, they should add different outcomes, worst case scenario, they should simply give us epilogues, even cheap written epilogues would be better to what we currently have.[/quote]
You took the words right out of my mouth.

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[Flyers215]

[quote]samb wrote...

LOL or maybe I'm the one grasping at straws, but I wanted to feel like I left a legacy for the galaxy.  This was one of the tangable evidence of it.[/quote]

Meh.  It works nonetheless.  I'm sure that "the Shepard" would be talked about for many, many generations to come.[/quote]

[quote]samb wrote...
 
I'm Commander Shepard and Meadow is my favorite Saparno.[/quote]

Win.

[quote]samb wrote...
 
Nothing says I'm wrong!  I'd like to see BW prove me wrong with an actual ending!!!![/quote]

Way to sneak that one in there.

[quote]samb wrote...
 
See you next week![/quote]

Psh.  I'm never coming back from there.

[quote]samb wrote...
 
We aren't writers but I have faith in BW's writing department.  Which is why the ending was so dissappointing and why we are all doing this I think.

Hold the line[/quote]

I'd join BioWare's writing department in a heartbeat.  I'd love to sit around and think of this stuff.  I like looking at the thread to see other people's views, complaints, compliments, and thoughts.  Many are quite interesting while others are complete rubbish.

Modifié par Flyers215, 21 mars 2012 - 11:03 .

[VV00d13]

I think bioware loves the attention! Haha

[McAllyster]

So Bioware... you are listening since 6 days now.

When will you answer?

[Azura88]

They didnt answer, because Marauder Shields is holding the line...

[Thaa_solon]

BTW "spoiler"
You can find space hamster below engineering where Jack used to hang out

[helloween7]

bigstig wrote...

I seem to be in the minority in that I didn't hate the ending, then I started reading about the indoctrination theory and it makes it so much better.

There are not three endings to the game, there is one. Destruction is the only option that doesn't contradict everything that the previous games have lead to.

Saren wanted to merge
Illusive Man wanted to control

The "villians" have tried and failed the other options. Somewhere, someone at Bioware is laughing as he/she has duped us all.

As much as I like the indoctrination theory, it only works as a setup, not as a proper ending.

Theres only one "right" option, thus negating player choice. 

Even if you take that one "correct" option, you're left back where you were: you're still in London, a Reaper blaster just ate your face,  you haven't gotten to the Citadel, and the Reapers haven't been defeated.

So I'm still bereft of closure

Modifié par helloween7, 21 mars 2012 - 11:12 .

[VV00d13]

McAllyster wrote...

So Bioware... you are listening since 6 days now.

When will you answer?

Wait for 2-6 months more then they will talk... Maybe...

Honestly so much attention they get on Internet now

-indoctrination theory
-other theories
-all loose ends
And more...

I think they are enjoying this, and maybe they have something up their sleeves or they will just say "that is the end"

[NikolaiShade]

I'm not a writer in any way possible, but I am an average observer. Now if BioWare shows me a kid only one character seems to see, I'm naturally lead to believe there is something wrong. If the aforementioned kid, is later seen in all the dreams of the same character, I'm lead to believe he's important. If in the end the Starchild (or the Catalyst) is identical to that same kid I'm reminded of since I started playing, it's all too obvious there is a connection. Even more if neither Shepard nor the Catalyst points out this simple fact.

Another loose end? Something to think about? I don't know, but if someone from BioWare could explain I'd be happy to listen.

[Leem_0001]

bigstig wrote...

I seem to be in the minority in that I didn't hate the ending, then I started reading about the indoctrination theory and it makes it so much better.

There are not three endings to the game, there is one. Destruction is the only option that doesn't contradict everything that the previous games have lead to.

Saren wanted to merge
Illusive Man wanted to control

The "villians" have tried and failed the other options. Somewhere, someone at Bioware is laughing as he/she has duped us all.

I'd hope not - is it really good for Bioware to end such an epic and improtant gaming trilogy with a 'dupe'? Is that really the way this should end?

And if the indoc theory is true, then my view of Bioware will go down even further as they have released an unfinished game. For me the Indoc theory is something that can possibly be used to fix the problem via a DLC etc - then the Destroy ending is Shep's concious not giving in to the reapers - so he wakes up in London and fights on with his squadmates. Then we can find out what is really behind the Reapers, what the catalyst really is, and how the cruicible should really be used. And then we can have our DIFFERENT endings based on our past DECISIONS (are you reading Bioware). As promised.

Thing is, to fix this, they need to really put some time into the endings to make them worth it. Fully voice acted with good cutscenes. A wall of text or still pictures would end the series on such a damp squib then they haven't fixed anything.

My theory for what happened is they needed more time to make the endings work that they wanted. EA woudln't allow it, so the mess we currently have was shoehorned in as it's all they could come up with in the time frame. And because they are signed up with EA they have to toe the party line, play the HR game, and not reveal the truth.

But I think we can all agree (or most) that since EA had a hand in Bioware, the quality of the product (expecially in storytelling) has nosedived.

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helloween7 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

I seem to be in the minority in that I didn't hate the ending, then I started reading about the indoctrination theory and it makes it so much better.

There are not three endings to the game, there is one. Destruction is the only option that doesn't contradict everything that the previous games have lead to.

Saren wanted to merge
Illusive Man wanted to control

The "villians" have tried and failed the other options. Somewhere, someone at Bioware is laughing as he/she has duped us all.

As much as I like the indoctrination theory, it only works as a setup, not as a proper ending.

Theres only one "right" option, thus negating player choice. 

Even if you take that one "correct" option, you're left back where you were: you're still in London, a Reaper blaster just ate your face,  you haven't gotten to the Citadel, and the Reapers haven't been defeated.

So I'm still bereft of closure

If the theory is right we have two options:
More gaming in result of DLC or ME4
Or humanity failed, reapers won, and the cycle goes on again

[Voodoo2015]

helloween7 wrote...

bigstig wrote...

I seem to be in the minority in that I didn't hate the ending, then I started reading about the indoctrination theory and it makes it so much better.

There are not three endings to the game, there is one. Destruction is the only option that doesn't contradict everything that the previous games have lead to.

Saren wanted to merge
Illusive Man wanted to control

The "villians" have tried and failed the other options. Somewhere, someone at Bioware is laughing as he/she has duped us all.

As much as I like the indoctrination theory, it only works as a setup, not as a proper ending.

Theres only one "right" option, thus negating player choice. 

Even if you take that one "correct" option, you're left back where you were: you're still in London, a Reaper blaster just ate your face,  you haven't gotten to the Citadel, and the Reapers haven't been defeated.

So I'm still bereft of closure

That is why the Stargazer at the end of the game the credits.
Says Ok one story more.

This is not the end!!

I want to believe. The truth is out there.

Modifié par Voodoo2015, 21 mars 2012 - 11:17 .

[DuncanId]

Archonsg wrote...

And he survived being spaced from high orbit (as opposed to low orbit where at least re-entry into Earth's atmosphere is aided and quickened with something we call "GRAVITY", without a pressure suit ( he lost both helmet and parts of his armor), re-entry into earth's atmosphere without buring up, AND somehow defy terminal velocity and impact on rubble landing in London (All without orbital re-entry control) how?

That last bit is AGAIN some dev / producer who thought, we'll give them a teaser of someone in N7 armor, maybe living all in the hopes that you'll think its cool and buy more DLCs. 

If you play as femshep you can see a boob.
And if you search for thar scene filename, it's called sheppard lives or something like that.

So yes, is sheppard.

How (s)he survived? Well, it's not like the ending has no plotholes at all...

[Leem_0001]

Thaa_solon wrote...

BTW "spoiler"
You can find space hamster below engineering where Jack used to hang out

Ahhhh - is that what that was? I saw the red highlight icon dashing about down there, but thought it was a bug. I was probably too far away to see the hamster.

Thanks!

[chevyguy87]

another issue i have that is left open for discussion is in deciding to kill the reapers that in turn destroys all geth now why the hell would we go through the trouble of uniting them and the quarians only to knife them in the back and exterminate them all anyway *facepalm*

i think somebody in the studio tripped over their own feet on that one

[Thaa_solon]

Leem_0001 wrote...

Thaa_solon wrote...

BTW "spoiler"
You can find space hamster below engineering where Jack used to hang out

Ahhhh - is that what that was? I saw the red highlight icon dashing about down there, but thought it was a bug. I was probably too far away to see the hamster.

Thanks!

You're welcome

[Voodoo2015]

Leem_0001 wrote...

Thaa_solon wrote...

BTW "spoiler"
You can find space hamster below engineering where Jack used to hang out

Ahhhh - is that what that was? I saw the red highlight icon dashing about down there, but thought it was a bug. I was probably too far away to see the hamster.

Thanks!

I thought the same thing, but then I heard the all too familiar sound of a Space Hamster.

[Flyers215]

chevyguy87 wrote...

another issue i have that is left open for discussion is in deciding to kill the reapers that in turn destroys all geth now why the hell would we go through the trouble of uniting them and the quarians only to knife them in the back and exterminate them all anyway *facepalm*

i think somebody in the studio tripped over their own feet on that one

Because Shepard can't see into the future and had no idea that was going to happen.

[chevyguy87]

Flyers215 wrote...

chevyguy87 wrote...

another issue i have that is left open for discussion is in deciding to kill the reapers that in turn destroys all geth now why the hell would we go through the trouble of uniting them and the quarians only to knife them in the back and exterminate them all anyway *facepalm*

i think somebody in the studio tripped over their own feet on that one

Because Shepard can't see into the future and had no idea that was going to happen.

still its a cheap shot to the players that did go through all that trouble 

[Evanz]

webrakefornobody wrote...
#2 Starchild
everything that needs to be said about this boy/AIs tale, has already been said. my opinion concerning his appearance: hudson & co had sentient starships that are 2km long and ancient-beyond-measure at hand, but they chose to confront us with the hologram of a little boy.
f*** starchild, give me harbinger, this feels like return of the jedi without darth vader, the emperor AND the death star.
.

this.

- Luke, the paths are open, but you have to choose.
- if you choose red lightsaber, you will destroy all sith, empire and everyone will be screwed
- if you choose green lightsaber, you will merge sith and the jedi and everyone will be screwed
- if you choose blue lightsaber, you will become sith and you will control them, but everyone will be screwed.