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[Archonsg]

DuncanId wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

And he survived being spaced from high orbit (as opposed to low orbit where at least re-entry into Earth's atmosphere is aided and quickened with something we call "GRAVITY", without a pressure suit ( he lost both helmet and parts of his armor), re-entry into earth's atmosphere without buring up, AND somehow defy terminal velocity and impact on rubble landing in London (All without orbital re-entry control) how?

That last bit is AGAIN some dev / producer who thought, we'll give them a teaser of someone in N7 armor, maybe living all in the hopes that you'll think its cool and buy more DLCs. 

If you play as femshep you can see a boob.
And if you search for thar scene filename, it's called sheppard lives or something like that.

So yes, is sheppard.

How (s)he survived? Well, it's not like the ending has no plotholes at all...

I did give N7 Status to that Alliance Commando (refinery mission). So, in theory it COULD be her. 
The problem is, we should have to make up shat for Bioware. The ending is BAD with so many inconsistancies that people are more willing to believe in a theory so messed up as Indoctrination, in which case from story stand point would render Shepard unplayable since he's compromised, if he's indoctrinated, that's it. 

[DuncanId]

I just hope that the indoctrination theory is just fans overthinking the ending.

Because if the indoc theory is true, that means that they released an incomplete game on purpose, and that is a very dangerous place to go. If that is true and the "true ending" DLC isn't for free, people will be PISSED. It would be the death of bioware. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, will ever trust them again. And if after that the ending doesn't live to all the expectations...

If the indoc is true and the DLC is free, slow claps to everyone involved. Although they better think in how to give that DLC to people without internet. And keep in mind that a stunt like that would only work once. They try to pull something like that again, and they are screwed.

If they just made a mistake with the ending, well, they could release a free DLC (everyone happy but very unlikely), they could release a DLC and make us pay for it (many people would accept that, but they won't trust Bioware in the future, and by that I mean very few preorders on their part) or they could do nothing (basicaly showing the finger to a lot of fans).

Ok, I'm not an economist or a sociologist. But I'm a spaniard. We know a few thing about epic fails, we used to have an invincible armada... 

Modifié par DuncanId, 21 mars 2012 - 12:50 .

[improperdancing]

Dretlin wrote...

Did Bioware not say on several occasions that an ending like this would not happen?

Is there a thread with quotes? It would be an excellent idea to compile that. Unless anyone has a link to something similar they can share.

Check back a few pages.  I posted about a dozen (or more) quotes from BioWare about the game that all turned out to be lies.

[Twinzam.V]

Archonsg wrote...

DuncanId wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

And he survived being spaced from high orbit (as opposed to low orbit where at least re-entry into Earth's atmosphere is aided and quickened with something we call "GRAVITY", without a pressure suit ( he lost both helmet and parts of his armor), re-entry into earth's atmosphere without buring up, AND somehow defy terminal velocity and impact on rubble landing in London (All without orbital re-entry control) how?

That last bit is AGAIN some dev / producer who thought, we'll give them a teaser of someone in N7 armor, maybe living all in the hopes that you'll think its cool and buy more DLCs. 

If you play as femshep you can see a boob.
And if you search for thar scene filename, it's called sheppard lives or something like that.

So yes, is sheppard.

How (s)he survived? Well, it's not like the ending has no plotholes at all...

I did give N7 Status to that Alliance Commando (refinery mission). So, in theory it COULD be her. 
The problem is, we should have to make up shat for Bioware. The ending is BAD with so many inconsistancies that people are more willing to believe in a theory so messed up as Indoctrination, in which case from story stand point would render Shepard unplayable since he's compromised, if he's indoctrinated, that's it. 

Shepard died and came back , the fact we see that halfbreath could be of the cerberus implants kicking in and ressuscitating him....
Thats my opinion. Also the indoctrination theory states that after Shepard was hit with the beam he never left earth and those last 5 minutes were Harbinger indoctrinating Shepard. Hence the destruction choice being the only way to break the Reapers control. It means that despite all that he/she still wants to kill the Reapers.

Modifié par Twinzam.V, 21 mars 2012 - 12:52 .

[Vader6412]

I wonder if there is no fix to the ending, there will be a fourth game. What if the destroy option was really the correct ending of this game and a fourth game continued off of that with Shepard waking up and not reaching the beam to the crucible. Harbinger, thinking he killed Shepard, flies off and your squad mates save you. You are then rebuilt, for a second time, and realize the battle for earth is lost but the battle for the galaxy is not over. In the meantime, Shepard realizes that all he thought happened where he destroyed the reapers was really a dream and he was being indoctrinated to make it think it was over or break his will. Throughout the fourth game, Shepard battles the indoctrination, trying to break it in one last attempt to destroy the reapers and save the galaxy.

Just my 2 cents in this. If me3 us really the last game, then bioware does indeed need to adhere to the fans outcry and release a proper ending or come clean about the ending currently in place. The ending as it stands feels like a cliffhanger similar to halo 2.

[SengirWorg66]

 Ok....If I had been a reviewer....and I didn't have time to finish the game all the way through...I probably would have given it a 10 out of 10...but as I've played it through 5 times already (because I love the game play and stories) I have to include that dog of an ending in any rating...as such, this game only gets a 7 from me. That's right; I docked the rating 3 points for an ending that made absolutely no sense (indoctrination conspiracy withstanding) and left me staring dumbfoundedly at the screen. The ending violates just about everything that every ME3 fan I know, there's 5 of us that I know locally, had come to expect from the ME franchise. Just about nothing we do in the game makes a lick of difference in how the game turns out. I won't go into a detailed list of all the plot holes and inconsistencies, as they are been layed out ad nauseum by nearly every critic of the ending...but let me just add my +1 to their entries. 

And as a huge fan of the series, I cannot tell you how disappointed I was in the ending. I didn't want some happily everafter, in fact, sacrificing himself for the galaxy would have been my ideal ending....but if Shep has to give up his life to protect the galaxy, it should be at least left intact or the sacrifice seems pointless and while that may sometimes be true in real life....We don't play frakking games to simulate real life...at least not RPGs...we play them to be heroes, which is why this ending just leaves so many of us scratching our heads....you get to die but what the galaxy is left with, if you buy the retcon of mass effect gates suddenly don't blow up in supernovas, is disconnected pockets of civilization essentially ending the ME gameworld.

From just a marketing point of view, it seems like you ate your gun! 

I mean I know there are hordes of us out there who would have gladly paid $10 a pop to play DLCs of the liberation/cleanup campaigns for all the major homeworlds....it just seems like such a failed opportunity even from just a purely economic point of view!

So in summation...other than the crappy last 10 minutes...this would have been one of the all time greatest games/series....IMHO

[VV00d13]

Maybe this isn't a triology anymore?

Maybe it isn't over?

If our information is correct the ending of ME3 leaked right?
So they had to think of a new ending.
That might be a result of another game OR tons of DLC.

If this truly is confirmed to be the last game and bioware speaks for it THEN this is a bad ending with too many loose ends.

But a game like this? Why not continue? Like Halo 4, triology at first making another triology.

They may still consider to do more, suck some money, but also to make a compleat ending for us all.
They will loose a lot of fans and customers if they end it like this, and I think they know that.

Something about this is very "odd" why all the promises and this let down? If not for more?

[shanosaurus]

I absolutely loved pretty much all of this game, but the ending broke my heart. Never had a game make me laugh or cry so hard, never had a game get me so invested in the characters and what happens to them. My Shepard felt like a friend and she made me hope, made believe that everything would turn out OK, that she would get a bit of well-deserved happiness. And then I just sat stunned as the credits started to roll. I finished the game hours ago and I still feel like somebody punched me in the gut. I tried to replay it, go back to the parts that made me love the game, but it just made me sad...knowing what was to come.

I really wish the game had ended with some closure and at least a chance for a happy ending.

[Twinzam.V]

Could be that all this is a publicity stunt and they want to make "us" the players fell indoctrinated while they have an ending DLC in making? Just saying.

Modifié par Twinzam.V, 21 mars 2012 - 01:01 .

[Dretlin]

improperdancing wrote...

Dretlin wrote...

Did Bioware not say on several occasions that an ending like this would not happen?

Is there a thread with quotes? It would be an excellent idea to compile that. Unless anyone has a link to something similar they can share.

Check back a few pages.  I posted about a dozen (or more) quotes from BioWare about the game that all turned out to be lies.

Cheers. I think it should have a thread of its own.

Broken promises should be considered rather serious.

[DuncanId]

Archonsg wrote...

I did give N7 Status to that Alliance Commando (refinery mission). So, in theory it COULD be her. 
The problem is, we should have to make up shat for Bioware. The ending is BAD with so many inconsistancies that people are more willing to believe in a theory so messed up as Indoctrination, in which case from story stand point would render Shepard unplayable since he's compromised, if he's indoctrinated, that's it. 

A couple of things on that.
N7 training requires, well, training. And lots of time. Not really sure if they cant grant someone full N7 status just like that. With Vega I'm 99% sure  that you only convinced him to join the training program.
If you dont grant N7 commendation to riley, you can still see a boob (how many times you can say "boob" without looking like a pervert?).

I agree in that it makes no sense. But then again, like the rest of the ending.

Modifié par DuncanId, 21 mars 2012 - 01:10 .

[Dretlin]

improperdancing wrote...

Well, I totally stole this post from another forum, but whatever, it applies here, and it's all just quotes (well, lies, really) from BioWare:

Official Mass Effect Website
http://masseffect.com/about/story/

“Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience and outcome.”


Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”


Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://business.fina...-all-audiences/

“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are optimal for different people “


Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computera...missing-in-me2/

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as much as we are anyway.”


Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…”


Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.”

“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you didn't make”


Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...s-effect-3.aspx

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different based on what you would do in those situations.”


Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.c...fans-interview/

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.”

Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”

Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”


Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”

Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.”

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player decide what your story is.”


EDIT: Couple more interesting quotes I found, enjoy......or not.

Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html

Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle for Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike Gamble.


In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was taking risks with Mass Effect 3's plot, including a negative ending in which the Reapers win. Gamble simply said, "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he said, "Yes".


Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html

"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a totally different way of playing"


Casey Hudson (Director)
http://gamescatalyst...active-stories/

“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”


Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.computera...ly-good/?page=2

“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things - it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who plays it.”


Ray Muzyka (Co-Founder of Bioware)
http://penny-arcade....ing-a-trilogy-a

“I just finished an end to end playthrough, for me the ending was the most satisfying of any game I’ve ever played….the decisions you make in this game are epic,”

“The team has been planning for this for years, since the beginning of the Mass Effect franchise. Largely the same team, most of the same leads have worked on this for years and years. They’ve thought about [the ending] for years and years. It’s not something they’ve had to solve in a week or a month even, but over the course of five or ten years.”

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It's actually really impressive how basically none of that is true.

EDIT: Fixed the spacing.

Found it. You should make a thread out of this post! Its very insightful.

[Smig-H]

This just saddens me. I played it through once, just started a new character. I chose to destroy the reapers (along with a lot of other stuff). The game is amazing, a breathtaking experience. The writing, the acting, the score, everything came together for what I think is a great achievement in video games. Totally worth the money.

Now, about the ending, I did feel disappointed. It was a bitter sweet moment but nothing that would justify even a third of this outcry. "Oh, the humanity! I didn't get closure! Change it!" This is a work of art. The artist told us a story. Full stop.

Did I feel disappointed with the ending? Yes. Does it justify all this outcry? No. Should they change the story? No.

[Original_Bars]

years of playing the mass effect series, countless decisions a war asset rating in the 5000's and all i could was change the color of the ending, nice..

[Paladin Solo]

Started to play ME1 and was gripped instantly, so i ended up with 6 chars with different ways to play the game from wicked to good.
Then i got the ME2 and i even got a hold of all the extra material tho i didnt use some of em since many of the original stuff was better or seemed more realistic for the storyline.
After that i looked forward to the ME3 and even bought 2 exes one collectors edition and one normal .

I felt like this was the best game i ever played or seen developed by any game creator so far, due to the fact u could change so much by choosing a different option from 1st to 2nd, and even to the 2nd to the 3rd.
Best trilogy i ever played.

And now i beaten the ME3, what can i say...... in one of the ending u see Sheperd actually gasp for breath, and then it gows dark.
Otherwise the end is an anticlimax for me.
Thus it seems worthless to even play it through with a second char.
The endings are there...and no matter what u do or play u end up...well dying for the greater good in some way.
If u had locked away the other 2 depending what choices u made throughout the game, it would have been better.

"This trilogy now gets a spot on the shelves, and have a new job" (collecting dust)

[dfdsgrgre]

DuncanId wrote...

Ok, I'm not an economist or a sociologist. But I'm a spaniard. We know a few thing about epic fails, we used to have an invincible armada... 

If i recall corectly it wasnt very good and the brits blew it up a few times

[dfdsgrgre]

Oh and is there any news just got in

[SlackRabbit]

Twinzam.V wrote...

Could be that all this is a publicity stunt and they want to make "us" the players fell indoctrinated while they have an ending DLC in making? Just saying.

That idea has been passed around, but if they have done this, it has cleary backed fired. Eg.People asking for refunds of your product  

[jdranetz]

 It is a simple concept.  

Viewers/players will want to experience uplifting story resolutions again, again.  Those same Viewers/players would prefer to experience sad endings, once. This is across the board in all forms of entertainment.
Years ago, Tom Hanks on the Tonight Show said that "killing the dog in 'Turner and Hooch' (a K9 cop caper) cost $13,000,000 in theater ticket sales".  He went on, half jokingly, that having the dog's puppies at the end wasn't enough.  He related that had they had the dog live through the end of the movie more people would have went to see it.

Most people want entertainment to make them feel good.  Only a masochist would want to subject themselves to sorrow over and over again.  

Modifié par jdranetz, 21 mars 2012 - 01:36 .

[Adamski_707]

Well i completed the game last night. Having heard rumours about the ending not going down well i decided to double my efforts to avoid all spoilers.
Right up until the moment i was running towards the beam, i was caught up in the story completely. This game really got the feel from the first game of an epic galatic quest that i felt was missing from the second slightly.

The problems begin when suddenly im walking towards the beam wounded despite taking a direct hit, or at least what appeared to be one, from harbinger.
I was ok with that but it was a bit too super heroic for my taste. Then I noticed how Anderson got the console before i did yet as far as i could tell there was only one path and the rooms did not shift enough to allow for one to have been closed prior to me reaching it. Also i didnt see him walking towards the beam either. Oh and where did Mr Illusive man magicaly materialise from, i doubt he was following me throught the beam.
The next point that raised my suspicions was when i convinced the Illusive man to take his own life, the scene was so identical to that of the first game where i convinced Saren to do the same. That i thought for a moment perhaps this is in shepards head but i dismissed that until hearing Hackett who prior to this seemed unaware of anyone making it made me reevaluate.

Now im not saying i agree with that indoctrination theory going around, which a friend filled me on after i finished the game. It does make sense though as one point of it really did affect my game at least.
As soon as i was told the "destroy" option would kill the geth i didnt know what to do, so my view was reversed in a way of manipulation and i therefore chose "control" believing "synthesis" would kill everything as it would create new life.

I am disappointed with the 3 endings that are similar and the short epilouge sequences. I feel herded into three endings that have little relevance. The "indoctrination theory" that is floating around at least makes the last choice of the options compelling with two spelling doom for the galaxy.
The ending is still emotional. As i essentialy watched my Shepard die.

Even though i would find it hard to believe the so called "indoctrination" theory provides a much more satisfying conclusion as it shows shepard is the same as those that came before and must fight just as they did against the reapers.

As i said at the start of this post the game really was an enjoyable experience even with the endings as they are but i would rather create my own as they are not very satisfying. Infact they almost feel rushed forcing people down three paths in a sequence full of plot holes for the conspicary theorists to use.

Thank you to anyone who reads this, just thought somemore thoughts on the ending wouldnt hurt.

[G4rrus Vakarian]

My fav moment is the end-dlc... oh wait...

[x Fresh2Death o]

How long are Bioware gonna keep us in the dark, waiting for more people to complete ME3 just to realise the hate the ending just as much as we do !!!!

[DuncanId]

dfdsgrgre wrote...

DuncanId wrote...

Ok, I'm not an economist or a sociologist. But I'm a spaniard. We know a few thing about epic fails, we used to have an invincible armada... 

If i recall corectly it wasnt very good and the brits blew it up a few times

It was the weather...

Fun history fact: Invincible armada was a name choosen by england for the propaganda after that, err, misunderstanding. The original spanish name was (translated) "The big and happiest armada". Not. Kidding.

Now we use invincible armada (la armada invencible) as the oficial name. For the rest of the world it's just the spanish armada.

So...

Yeah.

Sad when the enemy gives better names to your own fleet...

Luckily we are now in better terms with UK. Now we only hate them because games are a lot cheaper :innocent:

Modifié par DuncanId, 21 mars 2012 - 01:44 .

[Symolic01]

I think its needed for bioware to release an Ending-Dlc first regardless of which kind it is ( Epilogue-Dlc, New Ending, ...). They already said that they will release additional content and I don't think that anyone (inluding me) will buy content including new quest lines before there is more closure to the end.

[Daruwind]

Well I have prepared like 5 different playthroughs ME1+2 to experience all imporant moments from different points of view but now after finishing I´m not sure why I should play anymore with different choices. It doesn´t matter enough and that´s bad. Why buy DLC when the endings is not worth it?