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[Obara]

Didn't read any of the comments on this, don't care. Your endings are TERRIFIC! I finished with a score of over 7000, and the watched the three possible endings. All three were great in their own way! I chose the Symbiosis ending, and was relieved in my reaction to this ending. I was so worried by the discussions online, that I held off finishing the game in fear of disliking the end. I'm glad that the people who didn't like the endings had a different opinion than my own. I'm just sorry for any negative attention you may receive from people who don't play these games. The problem with an expanded fan-base, is that you get the some of the bad apples. apples that make a fuss about anything, no matter what you do. I'm just hear to say "GOOD JOB, GUYS!". I'll ignore the internet from now on.

Constructive criticism:
*I missed omega. Especially after reading the comics.

*No Krogan crew member , I can deal with it.

*I think some text describing how each war asset contributed to the final assault would help me feel proud of each asset I acquired. The blurbs in the war room kept me coming back to my consol to read about them. If text was displayed at the end (like the ending of Dragon Age: Origins), I would ++

* Thank you for letting me call each of my old crew members at the end. That was nice!

* Best Space battle I've seen in anything (Star Trek, Star Wars, anything)

* More Intellectual Properties in this universe please! Especially a tactics game that combines gamplay from "Valkyria Chronicles" and "Ogre Battle/Final Fantasy tactics". Building a mercenary crew from all the races, with all the classes would make it an "XCOM: Enemy Unknown" killer. Plus if you use imported game saves, it can extend a player's connection to the universe.

Modifié par Obara, 21 mars 2012 - 03:44 .

[Hellfire257]

Yeah, it is art just as much as a picture of a turd is art simply because it's a photograph.

[clarkusdarkus]

I actually wholeheartedly believe the ending saga has overshadowed major flaws elsewhere in the game, with the whole squad cameo appearances making them feel distant, the journal was a big mess, game was buggys as hell, freezing, characters not loading in cutscenes, auto dialogue...1 hub...i mean 1 hub the citadel where walking past ppl got u side missions which u couldnt even track in the journal. fixing the endings is one thing but i honestly still dont think the game was 95% flawless but then it is my opinion.

[bellabri287]

Welp, per the letter to the fans you are selectively listening.

"Building on their research, Exec Producer Casey Hudson and the team are hard at work on a number of game content initiatives that will help answer the questions, providing more clarity for those seeking further closure to their journey."

"We’re working hard to maintain the right balance between the artistic integrity of the original story while addressing the fan feedback we’ve received."

This to me = no new endings and no happy ending with Shep & LI. Really, that's all I wanted, a happy ending, I don't need all new endings. Yes I have posted it before in this thread but I want to stress this. I know I am the minority, but I will voice myself the only place I can.

Still have not turned the Xbox back on since finishing ME3... it makes me sad thinking about all the time I wasted.

Modifié par bellabri287, 21 mars 2012 - 03:48 .

[CrazyRah]

Lurchibald wrote...

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

Same PR talk as usual. So much text saying absolutely nothing. Going to throw this into the increasing size of unimportant stuff from Bioware

[kimuji]

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

"the passionate reaction of some of our most loyal players to the current endings in Mass Effect 3 is something that has genuinely surprised us" 

Please, please don't tell us you never realized all the inconsistencies and tautologies we found in the current game's end, for your own sake and the sake of the writers who worked on it.

Modifié par kimuji, 21 mars 2012 - 03:47 .

[colateral]

I for one truly appreciate that Ray Muzyka took the time to officially respond to the fanbase complaints regarding the end to Mass Effect 3. While the statement seems to disprove the notion that this reaction was planned and ending dlc was always planned it does provide hope for some sort of closure and that is something I am very grateful for. We eagerly await full details on what is planned for the future of Mass Effect. Thank you again.

[txalikat]

I had so many favorite moments.  Girly romantic that I am I have to say that I really loved rekindling my romance with Kaidan.  He was just so sweet!!!  So glad I stayed loyal to him.
And even though there were many, many moments that had me reaching for the tissue box, I still enjoyed them.  The game got me emotionally invested.  The thought of Grunt giving his life against the rachni?  Tissues.  Grunt then stumbling miraculously out of the cave covered in blood, alive but battered?  Tissues.  Mordin sacrificing himself and singing right till the end?  Tissues.  Thane patronizing Kei Leng for letting a terminally ill drell get the better of him, then passing away with his best bud Shep and his son at his side?  Tissues.  Legion saying "I" and Tali forgiving him?  Tissues. 
You get the idea.  LOTS and LOTS of tissues and tears.

There were laughs too.  Tali drunk made me giggle soooo hard.  Also, catching Tali and Garrus in the gun room was both funny and sweet.

And, I'll admit, I was primarily Paragon the entire way through but I didn't even hesitate when it came to taking the Renegade interrupt to kill Kei Leng.  It was SATISFYING!  I'd been wanting to do that the moment since he stabbed Thane.  I loathed the man from that instant through the rest of the game. 
The series as a whole, for me, was brilliant.  Absolutely brilliant.  Up until that last bit.  And I'll tell you something, it wasn't because Shepard died.  I was emotionally prepared for that outcome.  In fact, according to my ending Shepard lives.  Its the inconsistancies to the story we've been following.  As I was playing this out, BEFORE I heard any spoilers or about this whole inoctrination theory, these were my thoughts about certain points:
"Hey, how did Anderson get here before me?  No other paths to this point.  Fishy.  And where the heck was TIM hiding to come out behind me as well?"

"Woah, its that kid again.  How can that be?  Was he the catalyst all along or is someone/something playing with my mind?"

"Control, join, or destroy?  Yeah, sorry, I am gonna destroy them even if it means I die because thats what we've been trying to do this whole time.  Not my place to change everyone in the galaxy into half-machine."

"Wait, what do you mean destroy the mass relays?  According to what was shoved in our face during the Arrival DLC, the very reason for Shepards loss of command, was that by destroying a mass relay you destroy the entire star system its in.  We blew up an entire Batarian system.  If every mass relay explodes then the whole galaxy gets destroyed so whats the point of any of the endings?  No life will live.  Earth will be destroyed...."

"Why the hell is Joker running away with my ship?  WTF?!?!"

"Ok, the Normandy survives,  Good, even though they ran, at least some of my friends live...  Wait, how did Kaidan and Javik get there?  They were blown up by that reaper laser beam with me!  WTF?!?!  And why do they look happy???" 
So for this last bit, folks might say they're happy because they did it.  The reapers are gone.  Ok, I can see that.  Not how they mysteriously got on the ship, thats fishy, but I can see why they would be happy.  Except that in ME1, when you save the Citadel from Sovereign, that was a happy moment too.  A big one.  But because they thought Shepard was dead they were saddened.  The win didn't mean as much.  You could see it on their faces, they won but at a high cost.  No smiles came until Shepard came running out of that rubble.  So yeah, my Kaidan (who was supposed to be dead on Earth but somehow is now mysteriously on the ship on some planet far far away) should NOT be looking so chipper.  He just lost the woman he loved again!
So yes, I still love the franchise.  I still will play the games.  But I am... I feel robbed, by the ending.  I want closure.  I want answers.  I want to know how any of what we did makes sense if we just basically blew up every major hub of life in the galaxy.  Just my 2 cents.

EDIT:  As a note, after reading the whole Indoctrination Theory concept, well, if it was planned that way then you guys are evil geniuses.  If it wasn't your intention, well... your fan base is throwing you a bone with that one.  I say take it and run with it, you'll make alot of folks happy.

Modifié par txalikat, 21 mars 2012 - 04:01 .

[dfdsgrgre]

is anyone else curious to what the writers actualy tought about it?
were they satisfied or were they forced?

[Blue Liara]

CrazyRah wrote...

Lurchibald wrote...

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

Same PR talk as usual. So much text saying absolutely nothing. Going to throw this into the increasing size of unimportant stuff from Bioware

Agree with you Lurchibald. Same old PR deflection rubbish. 

Ugh this just annoys me. Sounds like more PR bs .Trying to label those who don't like it as "some of our most passionate fans" when we are infact the MAJORITY. Pointing to reviews is meaningless. The reviews are made by INDIVIDUALS. You at most have 30 individual reviews that give the game a Good review. That is still only 30 people, versus the THOUSANDS who are upset. Ugh Bioware stop the PR nonsense and admit you are WRONG. That you did a rubbish hashed rushed job of the endings and commit to changing them!!

[rhevakeane]

Hi again Bioware.

I have made my views clear on the endings in the review thread and on other posts I have made on these forums. Not to belabor my point, but I just didn't think they were good enough for this franchise.

I would just like to add that I really appreciated Ray's response to the outrage/feedback/criticism generated by the fans on these forums. I know that we vocal few are only a minority of Bioware fans, and I know that even amongst us there are very divided opinions. I don't see any binding reason for Bioware to change the ending or even to ameliorate the unforeseen effect these endings have caused, other than their respect and appreciation for their fans. On this note, I think Ray's response, as well as the patient and sincere (to me at least) responses from members of the Bioware staff or dev team, show me that they really do care about us, and that they take our love for their games seriously. Except for that guy who insulted us on Twitter of course. But I think he's more the exception that proves the rule than a representation of the staff. Personally, I have been sorely disappointed not just by ME3, but also by DA2, and I think Bioware has (unintentionally or otherwise, I can't judge) made some questionable moves with regards to their fans as well as their work. Nevertheless, I do see a ray of hope here, and I sincerely appreciate it.

My life would be quite a bit suckier without Bioware's games, and I may be naive or stupid or whatever, but I appreciate you guys taking us seriously and addressing our concerns.

Thank you.

[etnah]

Lurchibald wrote...

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

I'm agreed with that. ME3 withou the ending is one of my favorite game! before the ending I tell everyone to buy it.

the artistic view is great (biblical if I'm right TIM as the snake, the child as some god, shepard as messia, and the 2 news adam and eve at the end). but there some hole and something that can't happen (like shepard changing cloth and weapon, anderson arriving in a one-way room, normandy between 2 relays, squademate magicaly appeared in normandy......). and the mass relays explosion is a good idea in a bad ending, but we should have at leats one ending in which the all galaxy don't die ^^"

in the ending I don't see the genius that I see in mordin scene.... damned it, you can do much much much better!

[MDT1]

Blue Liara wrote...

CrazyRah wrote...

Lurchibald wrote...

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

Same PR talk as usual. So much text saying absolutely nothing. Going to throw this into the increasing size of unimportant stuff from Bioware

Agree with you Lurchibald. Same old PR deflection rubbish. 

Ugh this just annoys me. Sounds like more PR bs .Trying to label those who don't like it as "some of our most passionate fans" when we are infact the MAJORITY. Pointing to reviews is meaningless. The reviews are made by INDIVIDUALS. You at most have 30 individual reviews that give the game a Good review. That is still only 30 people, versus the THOUSANDS who are upset. Ugh Bioware stop the PR nonsense and admit you are WRONG. That you did a rubbish hashed rushed job of the endings and commit to changing them!!

The problem with reviews is that the actuall game is a 9/10.
The ending becomes only really important when you are a passionate fan that played the first 2 games and cares about lore and the universe itself.

[KOKTMT]

Mass effect 3 es un buen juego me gusto toda la trama excepto cuando llegue al final. el único detalle que no me gusta quiero una mejor conclusión una batalla épica. destruir a los segadores, saber que pasa con todo mi equipo, los planetas, todo lo que se realizo en la galaxia, todas las decisiones que tome que influyan en el final.
Mass effect 3 is a good game I liked the whole plot except the last. the only detail I do not like I want a better conclusion an epic battle. destroy the reapers, know what happens with my team, planets, everything that took place in the galaxy, all the decisions affecting the end.

[xFyre1]

colateral wrote...

I for one truly appreciate that Ray Muzyka took the time to officially respond to the fanbase complaints regarding the end to Mass Effect 3.

PR. They are trying to put out the fire.

[Frostfiend]

I am glad we got an answer and that they will make some changes. I only hope that they actually do take in the constructive responses so very many have given in these forums and in other places and make endings that actually make sense in the games reality.

(I am also not surprised it was in PR speak and trying to downplay the whole thing though it makes me a little sad)

[DuncanId]

Lurchibald wrote...

http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/

From that article: 
"some of our loyal fans are passionately
expressing their displeasure about how their game concluded; we care
about this feedback, and we’re planning to directly address it. However,
most folks appear to agree that the game as a whole is exceptional"

They just don't get it. Yeah, most people think the game is fantastic. Most of the people thinking that also think that the ending sucks. Angry Joe gave a good score to the game, and then made 2 videos about how much the ending sucks. Having a great score doesn't mean that the ending is great. It was always said that one of the reasons why the ending is so bad is because the rest of the game is really good.

They are so arrogant that they are unable to realize how making one single completely open ending in a game like could be a mistake?

If they can't realize that obliterating 100 hours or character development in 5 minutes is a big fail in basic storytelling, they are not half as good as they think they are. Yes, I'm sure that all the ending makes perfect sense in the heads of those who wrote the story an know exactly what was happening and why, the problem is, they didn't explained the what nor the why tu us. So to them is a logical ending, for us, it's a plot hole the size o the mass effect universe ¬¬

I'm starting to feel insulted.

Still expecting to read the explanations on why the ending is good without trying to rationalize it. And I mean explaining how it is good because of what happened, not because of what they think it means "artistically".

There, I feel better now...

Modifié par DuncanId, 21 mars 2012 - 04:02 .

[jeweledleah]

I understand why Ray is speaking the way he is. its his company. its his people. as a good leader, he needs to stand behind them and support them. however. it doesn't somehow change the fact that in a 12th hour? his people fell short of the mark.

I was prepared to wait for PAX to hear real answers. I'm still prepared to wait for PAX. I will not however accept his statement as anything other then a leader standing by his people, right or wrong. I have respect for him as an individual. But I can see right through him anyway.

[GB-Kakuzu]

Critics have to rate a game on more than just the ending.  It doesn't change the fact that the endings ruined the game and the series.

[BalooTheBear]

I think it's fairly simple, as others before have suggested much better before.

Create a new fourth option that allows you tell to the kid to shove it. (thus keeping the endings for those who want them)

Kid turns into Harby, so everything that has been spoken to you in the last 10 mins is all false anyway (thus getting rid of some of the plot holes)

Then rely on EMS to see how it ends (also a one on one fight with harby would be epic!)

Various ending depending on how high EMS is, including ones where everyone dies, reapers win. Here bioware could have some fun, in the epilogue they could have a Reaper with an N7 logo

If getting the best possible (through SP, MP not necessary) then Shep lives as do crew.

Final scene with shep and/ or those who survived at war memorial, remembering all those who were lost. LI/ Shep together if both survived.

Epilogue as to what happens to the other races fallout style.

[MDT1]

BalooTheBear wrote...

I think it's fairly simple, as others before have suggested much better before.

Create a new fourth option that allows you tell to the kid to shove it. (thus keeping the endings for those who want them)

Kid turns into Harby, so everything that has been spoken to you in the last 10 mins is all false anyway (thus getting rid of some of the plot holes)

Then rely on EMS to see how it ends (also a one on one fight with harby would be epic!)

Various ending depending on how high EMS is, including ones where everyone dies, reapers win. Here bioware could have some fun, in the epilogue they could have a Reaper with an N7 logo

If getting the best possible (through SP, MP not necessary) then Shep lives as do crew.

Final scene with shep and/ or those who survived at war memorial, remembering all those who were lost. LI/ Shep together if both survived.

Epilogue as to what happens to the other races fallout style.

I could live with this.

Edit: But i guess those who liked the ending wouldn't like it because it basically tells them they were tricked by Harby.

Modifié par MDT1, 21 mars 2012 - 04:09 .

[Flyers215]

dfdsgrgre wrote...

DuncanId wrote...

Ok, I'm not an economist or a sociologist. But I'm a spaniard. We know a few thing about epic fails, we used to have an invincible armada... 

If i recall corectly it wasnt very good and the brits blew it up a few times

Burn...

¡Viva España!

[BalooTheBear]

MDT1 wrote...

BalooTheBear wrote...

I think it's fairly simple, as others before have suggested much better before.

Create a new fourth option that allows you tell to the kid to shove it. (thus keeping the endings for those who want them)

Kid turns into Harby, so everything that has been spoken to you in the last 10 mins is all false anyway (thus getting rid of some of the plot holes)

Then rely on EMS to see how it ends (also a one on one fight with harby would be epic!)

Various ending depending on how high EMS is, including ones where everyone dies, reapers win. Here bioware could have some fun, in the epilogue they could have a Reaper with an N7 logo

If getting the best possible (through SP, MP not necessary) then Shep lives as do crew.

Final scene with shep and/ or those who survived at war memorial, remembering all those who were lost. LI/ Shep together if both survived.

Epilogue as to what happens to the other races fallout style.

I could live with this.

I think thats the point. I actually want more than this. ME deserves a better ending. Would prefer indoctrination theory myself. No it's not to everyones taste.

Don't think there is much chance of getting it though and at least something like this would give closure and an actual ending.

Modifié par BalooTheBear, 21 mars 2012 - 04:10 .

[Sevuz]

Think we all need to take a look at this vid

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Sevuz, 21 mars 2012 - 04:08 .

[desirearune]

Any chance I will see my little blue asari kids...? No need for cut scenes ... just a picture will do

Modifié par desirearune, 21 mars 2012 - 04:14 .