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[eternalshiva]

Grunt's drunk texting was pretty hilarious. There's little tiny touches like that throughout the game that amazed me, especially the old lady that has alzheimers and she's speaking to her daughter-in-law Asari about her son, and the asari can't seem to get through to her that her son died and the Asari has no one to grieve with because the old lady can't remember.

Completely heart broken.

[Lucubration]

 Hey, Mr. Priestly.  Thanks for the update.

I thought my favorite moment would be settling the Quarrian/Geth thing once and for all, but honestly I think the top three were:

- Saying goodbye to Garrus.  "There's no Shepard without Vakarian.  And if I end up sitting at that bar before you, I'll be looking down at you.  I'll always have your back."   *bawling*

- Mordin's death curing the Genophage, because he had that little Salarian grin/eye squint going on and he was singing.  Going out in style and finishing his mission.

- Followed very closely by Thane's/Kolyat's prayer for Shepard, because he slipped that prayer for Shepard in there.  Sneaky and unexpected.

[lijygr]

My favorite moment will be the new changed ME3 ending.

[LenabotSE]

The endings are kinda like having a really good time in bed, then your partner stops and leaves the room right before the grand finale. You just end up frustrated and lonely and confused.

I fully believe in the indoctrination theory, if only because the face-value endings don't make any logical sense. They have emotion. But no sense. And no matter the case, the endings are incomplete. Which is not artsy. Most mind screws have some kind of resolution.

Series - and ME3 - was fantastic until the end.  Indoc. theory is the only way I can keep playing.

Modifié par LenabotSE, 15 mars 2012 - 05:12 .

[Mnemoidian]

I loved Mass Effect 3 up 'till the last mission - I don't want to request or demand a new end, I think that sets a dangerous precedent. Artistic License has to mean something...
Uniting the Geth and Quarians.
Facing the Reaper on Tuchanka.
Facing the Reaper on Rannoch.
Watching Legion become an individual and sacrifice himself.
Watching Mordin finish his life's work.
Mordin's talk of seashells.
Seeing Miranda again.
The humor, especially EDI's bits were extremely well done.
Thane holding his own against Kai Leng.
Old friends, new friends.
All those moments where I was on the edge of my seat - like during the Suicide Mission - worrying that something could go wrong - Jack's student could get kidnapped, Jacob could die... even beyond Earth being threatened, I wanted these character's to live on and be stronger.

There were a lot of tear-jerker moments in ME3. I loved pretty much every moment of it. Hell, the Multiplayer is pretty cool too!

But... my mind has been reeling since I finished the story Monday evening, trying to make sense of things. I had pretty much accepted that Shepard would somehow get killed (or "taken out of the story"), but instead I got something that didn't make sense and gave no closure at all. Something that answers nothing and asks a lot of new questions.

As the beam hit as I was charging the Conduit, I remember thinking feeling very uncomfortable and going "Oh ****, where did I go wrong?"... and then... everything went wrong.
At the very least, I would've wanted to be able to ask the "Cataclyst" some questions... but it seems like Shepard was ready to believe whatever this unknown presence has to say at that point.

None of the 3 possible options are presented very well, and it's a lot of information to take in. I was not under the impression that regardless of what decision I made, the Mass Relay network would be destroyed - that was the first disappointment I faced when I finally picked the Synthesis option.
Sure, you could argue that Shepard being injured and shell-shocked could result in him being rather easily pliable, but on the other hand, questioning things has been second nature to him - but I didn't even get the option to ask the Catalyst to explain itself, or the choices.

Jumping into the beam, I get flashbacks of Joker, Anderson and Liara. All close friends, but none of my love interest. Sure, that's a minor nitpick, all things considered, but it would've had greater impact on me...

Then we see (only) human forces fighting reapers in London and Space looking very empty except for a handful of Reapers... this really made me feel like all my work to solve all these problems and rally all the races in the galaxy has had no impact at all. The fleet got wiped out and humans are fighting alone on the ground. Huh.

The next surprise - watching Normandy mid-Mass Relay jump. I didn't think that made sense at all. Where is Joker going? Why is he leaving earth? Liara mentioned that we could find some dark corner of the galaxy and hide for a hundred years 'till the reapers find us... but surely she's still on Earth, where we just charged the beam? ... or dead.
But yeah, where is the Normandy going and why? It has to be very important for them to leave Shepard at this point, clearly - after the suicide mission, I kind of felt like they were rather loyal to me/Shepard.

Another question raised by the Mass Relay networks shutting down - does that mean that the fleet is stranded in the Sol system as there are no other FTL systems that I am aware of? (as travel was reliant on the Mass Relays?). Really makes the victory on Rannoch (etc?) feel rather hollow if so... So much for Tali's beach property?

And in Mass Effect 2: Arrival, it was established that destroying Mass Effect gates caused catastrophic supernovas (Sorry, Batarians!). I'll grant you, however, that pushing the "self-destruct" button could result in a more controlled destruction than smashing a small planetoid into a Mass Relay that is a lot more powerful than your average relay... but that seems rather convenient?

And... how and why did all my Squadmates end up on Normandy after Cortez was shot down anyway? Especially Liara and Garrus who were part of my charge to the Conduit. I had assumed they were either dead, searching for Shepard, or stuck on earth (as Cortez was shot down).
I have to say that I feel rather abandoned that they would take off like that as soon as Shepard disappeared. And how come Liara and Garrus aren't at least injured - they should've been fairly close to Shepard during the final charge...
And I don't understand why they would leaving the Sol system.
... but they end up on some planet (which I assumed was Earth, but other comments I've read throws that into question, I guess).

I feel like the core of your story is "Organic life must be destroyed (turned into a reaper) because Organic life creates Synthetic life that destroys it"... which, #1 doesn't make sense, because I've just brokered peace between Quarians and Geth (sure, arguably, it's too soon to say if it's lasting) and EDI seems like she's interested in making sure that there is peace between Organics and Synthetics... and #2 doesn't really make sense.

I don't know... I just feel dissatisfied. I came into ME3 expecting at least closure... but that's not what I've gotten. I'm just confused and frustrated.
I'm not surprised the indoctrination theory has popped up - there are things in those theories that seem to fit, but it seems way too circumstantial for me so far.

Other than that, I'm not a big fan of how Miranda's entire existence seems to revolve around her sister - it would be nice to have seen her in another situation than the one established in ME2, you know? As my Love Interest, I'd hoped she'd at least play a slightly larger role - or at least impact the story more than 25 rating... or, as mentioned before, at least get a cameo flash back during Shepard's death?

I don't know what I'm expecting or hoping. I would ideally want to have some closure before I put Mass Effect 3 away, but I don't expect that will happen, and I think that's a terrible shame after how much time and energy I've put into this series of games, how invested I've been in the characters. As awesome as the the entire series, but especially Mass Effect 3 is, 'till the end - Frustration and anger is not what I wanted to feel when I stopped playing.

But... at least, I hope you find my feedback helpful.

[txmn1016]

OSUfan12121 wrote...

Probably near the end when you have your final talk with Garrus, that banter is probably the most emotional of the game for me.

Definitely cried during his goodbye talk.

[nightShadex]

 My favorite scenes were the one with Liara and the time capsule and the one where MOrdin dies. They were both very touching and well done imo. 

[Konyetz]

Mordin dying was my biggest QQ =( Game was amazing though!

[405thRazgriz]

Besides the horrid, horrid, horrid, horrid, (continue this over 9000 times) ending, I LOVED the entire Rannoch sequence. Seeing what REALLY happened during the morning war was awesome, and the interaction between my Shepard (who romanced Tali) and Tali was AMAZING! From the geth dreadnought to the defeat of the Reaper on Rannoch, the banter that Shepard and Tali had was just... top notch. It's because of this amazing character interaction and story that the ending has me so depressed.

On a similar note, I did think of something strange. We see that some quarians are siding with the geth during the morning war (and what happened with the sympathizers is terrible and tragic), but I fail to see -or believe- that all of the quarians sympathizers were killed by their fellow quarians during the morning war.

Wouldn't this mean that while the quarians afraid of the geth fled the plannet, the sympathizers were left behind with the geth? Maybe I'm wrong and after a certain point the geth basically turned on a 'kill switch' that targeted all quarians because they were confused. Just some thoughts.

[MzAdventure]

Chuloos wrote...

Chris.

I'll put it here for all to see.  I am 57 years old - a Tolkein, Heinlein, Asimov, Eddings, Margaret Weiss and Tracy Hickman --- well.. you get the picture.. fan.  Legendary story tellers.. there is no doubt.  And with that said.. I found myself immersed in Mass Effect from the start.  A Legendary story in and of itself. 

But, it was more than just a story.  I not only could read and see the story, I was a part of it.  Building friendships and relationships (albeit fictional characters), yet.. still emotional investment all the same.

Each segment be it ME1 or ME2 had it's heart stopping or heart breaking moments.  But nothing in either of those prepared me for ME3. 

I didn't buy any guide for the game.  I just played.  On the first play through, I didn't save Kelly Chambers.  I didn't know you could.  I was hurt when I heard she was killed by Cerberus.  In the same playthrough, I didn't meet Miranda for the 3rd time, and she died at Santuary.  I shed a tear.

Thane went down fighting, Mordin got it right.  I stil felt man tears well up.  Yes Legion the answer to your questions is Yes.  I literally teared up.

How do you parse the 'favorite parts' of an epic?  The whole Rannock (Legion) segments were excellent.  The writers and devs did a Fantastic job.   I took the unite Geth/Quarian path.

You could feel the desperation building as Palavan was under attack.  You could actually feel the pain of so many throughout the game. 

When Thessia fell.. and Cerberus beat me out of the Prothean data.. I felt.. beaten.

My love interest was Ashley on the first run, and then back to my Liara on the second.  The Liara segments were beautiful and masterful. I totally teared up.  The time capsule, the romance, the final kiss in the stars.  Liara.. come find me again in the rubble.

The fleet battles were just magnificent.  I wish there was more of them.  Excellent, excellent visuals.

There were so many good things in ME3.  So many emotional hits (mostly sad) because you knew this was the end.  I teared up plenty.  Congratulations on an epic....

And.... then.. the endings.. I was completely crushed... devastated.  What happened?   Why?  All the magnificence, beauty, glory, hope, dreams, and even the sacrifices seem to be thrown out the door.  I did all three endings... and even with NG+ with 6800+ EMS, and nothing changed.. I am so dissappointed.

Thank you at least.. for 2 and 4/5s great games.

Darn, wish I had read before I posted, you said it better.

Change 57 year old to 43 and bump.

[Soban]

I loved ME3! I can't list all the stuff I liked about it it's so much. You would get a go over of just about every mission and choice. A few that stood out to me, Garrus's Romance, Quarian/Geth Peace or alt "We got peace and all we had to do was murder a friend." Jack's death. It was a mission that I had skipped thinking I could do it later and then at the end I realized I had condemned Jack to the nightmare I had freed her from. Brilliant. The assault on Earth was good, but I wish I saw more of my war assets fighting. Tali's face was a disappointment too. however, those were easy things to overlook.

The ending however, well, I remember a quote from you a while back that we were going to have a lot of different endings. I was excited becuase well, I play that perfect paragon everyone lives Shepard. I want my happy ending. All through the game up to the end I was expecting massive pay off for all the decisions I had made. I remember Mass Effect 2 and so when my crew wanted that pipe I got it for them. Then at the end, well this video explains why I don't like the ending.

[C Trayne]

I am going to start by saying that 98% of Mass Effect 3 is the best game I have every played. The cinematic's, the game play, the action, the power use, the dialogue was all incredible and makes me want to play it 100 times over. That is until we reach the ending... It just doesn't answer the questions a game closing a trilogy like this should...
-why can we not argue with the ghost child
-why is the normandy abandoning you
-how do your squad mates teleport to the normandy
-if the relays are destroyed what happens to the thousands of aliens in our system
just to name a few

That being said I'd say my two favorite parts are Kalros vs Reaper or "Thats for thane and miranda you son of a ****

[SALTYGRAPESS]

90% of people don't like the endings.

98% wish it was at least a little different.

You'd better be listening, Bioware.

[oyukichan]

I seriously cannot choose one most favorite moment of ME3. As I decide on one, I'll remember another that I love as much. Maybe all I can say is Commander Shepard. My femShep and everything I've ever been able to do with her really is my absolute most favorite thing about Mass Effect. Everything in my first playthrough of ME3 was brilliant (except maybe being forced to man those turrets) until, well, you know...

[FOX216BC]

The end made an entire trilogy pointless.
All these missions and dead friends for what?
Destroying the very galaxy we fought for by playing god, because some sort of reaper vi told me to.
You want people to talk about an ending that not only is poorly made, but also full of nonsense.
Some people try to explain it. they almost turn it in some form of religion.
But that's just a sad end for an otherwise great epic trilogy.
Before ME made us feel larger than life, but now it leaves us with an empty feeling.

[MikeSnipe1692]

The majority of the game was fantastic, up until the ending. I know a lot of people would like to something done about this, such as showing us the results of our choices, an option for a happier ending, providing closure, etc. Oh and I liked having the relays around, so it'd be nice to keep those. First forum post by the way so cut me a little slack if I some how did or said something wrong.

[Buddhess75]

The game in itself was amazing until the moment we enter the citadel and it becomes a mess.
It was impressive how little things you did in the previous games affected ME3. IT was a very emotional ride, combat was really exciting and high paced. It’s actually very hard to describe how good everything was til the ending..because you guys got EVERYTHING right til that point. There isn’t a single thing I would change til the ending.

But then…We charge the beam, get hit by harbinger and everything goes downhill.

Entering the citadel doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, how did Anderson get there? How did Shep communicate with him without a helmet? How the hell did we enter EXACTLY where we wanted to be and just had to walk forward to find THE computer we wanted/needed? That easily?

Then TIM shows up, out of nowhere and while the conversation with him is well written, nothing til this point makes sense. From that point onwards plot holes appear everywhere, Shepard cant even talk to the child, argue, nothing. We just listen, we got no choice, but why not?
Nothing we do seems to have any real consequences at the ending, yes, it will decide if earth is gone or not, but no matter what we do we doom everyone. And not only that, as soon as we choose things are even more confusing.

Why was the Normandy running away? How is it possible that my squad mates, who were on earth, came out of the Normandy when they crashed? It just makes no sense, its confusing and it gives us no closure.
Not having closure is what really killed it for me. I could live with all the inconsistencies, all the plot holes, if the ending gave me closure. If the ending told me what happened to the Quarians and geth, turians, humans and the rest of the galaxy after the reapers were gone it wouldn’t leave this bitter taste behind.

The ending was just incomplete, lacks sense, gives no closure and ruins everything you worked for the whole series.

[akuma1973]

LPKerberos wrote...

Waking up next to Aria

WHAT?! When was that? I have to know?

Purgatory go to the upstairs bar and get drunk. Aria's look is priceless.

[rkcfanl87]

I truelly loved Mass Effect 3,
When i took breaks from playing all i did was talking about it with friends.
During the mission in the end back on earth, after saying goodbye to my crew i was waiting for assignments to give to the people that i didnt take with me on my time, like the suicide mission on 2.
Maybe i was spoiled and expected too much so it wasnt THAT big of a deal to me.

Then i got hit by that beam, and things got weird, The convo with TIM and Anderson was ok, and the scene with Anderson after TIM shot himself was really touching,
If that had been the end, where you see them sit there and then see the crusible blow up the reapers, then a shot of shepard in pain, with a little smile on is face with cutscenes of whats happening to everybody he cares about, with people he made difficult choises for, it would have been a good ending for me.

But then the elevator to the light happened... thats where i think you guys took things a little too far, Choises didnt mattter, Plotholes, and no closure about the people we cared about


Favourite moment in 3? Mordin was wonderful and had a perfect ending.
And i loved how during the mission on Mars Shepard tells Liara that he has alot to live for, and then looks at Ashley.

[synthevol]

Well my favorite part at least on my Main Shepard was her waking up after the ending. Now I wouldn't of minded at least on my other Shepards for them to die, but this main Shepard the whole reason that she has been fighting it to destroy the Reapers, preserve the organic and each species way of life, and most importantly to live the rest of my life with Liara and have a bunch of Blue Babies that could continue the Shepard Legacy. I orginally choose synthesis, even though destroy was my original impulse, but after thinking about it some more I realized my Shep really would not of done that because it isn't preserving the different races its changing them all, and I loved Liara just the way she was. Even though my Shepard lived I was still devastated and really confused about not just Liara but the Normandy landing on Eden Alpha. But I did like that by using a ton of my own imagination and writing my own ending(which I shouldn't have to do) that I got a little of what I wanted, even though there's just way to much confusion and out of character actions. There is no one who has played ME1,2 and 3, or even 1 or 2 and 3 that can honestly say that Shepards Squad would ever have left that Battle, they would of fought to the end even when facing complete extinction they would of gone down fighting. Also the whole Synthetic vs. Organic "theme" was never ever used in this game, it has always been Organic vs. Reapers, I'm making a post explaining that right now.

However this game was masterful, I became attached and Addicted. As I was playing through it I felt that this was THE Game the best one every, a true eveolution of gaming. An ascendency to where Players interact and affect the game/outcome,and become truly immersed in a game/world that is their own, that I couldn't see myself ever enjoying a game that was completely scripted and creator directed much at all. I played Gears of War 3 after my first and possibly only playthrough of any ME, and while it was enjoyable, sad, happy and epic, it gave me closure and answered all of my questions, although I was really afraid that wouldn't happen mainly because ME3 has left a sour, bitter aftertaste, it still didn't feel truly epic because I really had no say in the events or outcome and because I didn't feel truly attached to most of the characters. Sure Dom, Anya and Marcus were amazing, and I was slightly sad when Dom died I was also content because he went out in truly Epic fashion and deservedly so with how his wife died, His will was definitely broken(unlike Shepard especially my main whose will to Survive, Win and Fight would never be worn down). But I just didn't feel as much of a connection with them, nor with the Characters in ME3 which I also just finished, sure it was slightly sad most of the main characters died but they just never really resonated with me.

The biggest Moments and really most of this game is truly Memorable and Epic, aside from the end which I wish I could forget just so I could continue playing any ME3, anyway Mordins sacrifice really got too me especially when I considered the Fact that my

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

Thanks for finally acknowledging the problem here and on Twitter. I sincerely appreciate it.

Favorite moment was Rannoch with Tali as my LI. It was so emotional and killing that Reaper, I felt like a hero.

Too bad about that house...

[Xyalon]

Hey, wait a minute. We're going about this the wrong way.

Chris, what was YOUR favourite moment in ME3? And how did you feel when tens of thousands of fans overlooked that moment because of their disagreement with the way it ended?

Because I'm pretty sure that's exactly how we felt when our favourite moments were reduced to ashes and multicoloured sparkly whizz.

[Black Howling]

Finally got the time to finish it, and... I never thought I would jump on this bandwagon but... I didn't enjoy the endings...

After three games and a bajillion choices we get three stock endings (Reloaded and did them all) with no true sense of closure? I had a feeling this would be the turnout, though. When you create any antagonist that's literally too big to fail, the default option is 'God'. It's a common fallback  to make things all better - so long as the hero sacrifices their life, power, or both.

But, what's the point of putting all that work into strengthening bonds between most of the species if you don't even get to see how it turned out, even just a little. And the fact that destroying the Mass Relays is stock, instead of an ending in and of itself is also a problem with me. In doing so you destroy the franchise (in a sense). Everyone is mixed, separated, and travel is extremely limited.

I think even the corny, "Let's rebuild the galaxy together!" ending would have been more satisfying than watching your crew get stranded on some random world - why they were leaving Earth is beyond me...

Plus Harbinger had ZERO commentary... Yeah, his mustache twirling villainy got cheesy, but that was his character. To make him into an overglorifeid drone and give him no interaction with Shepard was such a let down.  And I won't dare touch how Harbinger and his main squad allowed the Crucible to get even remotely close to the Citadel - or why the Catalyst couldn't activate the Citidel Relay on its own without need of the Keepers back in ME:1.

Even so, it was a journey, and I enjoyed the ride - for the most part - actually, all the way until the last part... yeah...

Modifié par Black Howling, 15 mars 2012 - 05:28 .

[Getorex]

Creston918 wrote...

Having a shoot-off with Garrus on the Presidium was fantastic, especially when you let him win, and he starts trash talking like Gary Payton in his prime.

I also really enjoyed the final moment with your squad mates in the forward base in London. Too bad that all that good feeling goes away fairly soon after that :|

That is a good point at which to QUIT the game and start over.  Pretend the part after that doesn't exist and wont exist until a real series of endings comes available.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

 Pretty much everything was great from after obtaining Garrus to right before the Star Child. I'm serious. There were narrative flaws, but they were easily overlooked for some of the better moments (Kai Leng vs. Thane, Mordin's End, etc).

I also thought that there's a bit too much autodialogue. Some of it didn't bother me, but there were definitely points where I found my hand itching and it felt like I was just watching a movie. But that is still tolerable if we can get the ending fixed.

Everything after Anderson dies goes dramatically down hill. From the game not giving Shepard the ability to argue (compared to dealing with Saren or Illusive Man), to the Star Child's broken logic, to having the same ending in three different colors. With a 30+ page thread, I'm sure someone has said it better than I ever could.

But to sum up: my problem is that I either want a decent explanation on what's going on with the Star Child, or to have him completely removed in favor of a motivation that makes sense. I personally don't need a happy ending or for Shepard to live.