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[Bill Casey]

If they drastically change their ending it sets a precedent for the entire gaming community to be more assertive to game developers if they are not satisfied with the product they get.

No it wouldn't set a precedent...
Fallout 3 already did it...

[Kabraxal]

sagequeen wrote...

Ottemis wrote...

xFyre1 wrote...

Reply from the Mass Effect twitter to some random user:

"We suggest reading both Ray and Casey's statements. We will be creating additional content, not taking any away."

Interpret as you will.

Makes sense, not everyone is unhappy. Changing what is would just create another group of unhappy campers, instead of purely trying to appease the current one.

Yes.

(Hi Ottemis - I know we totally chose different endings, but I also know we're totally happy with them.)

I love the StarChild scene. I really do. You just replaced a boss battle with a crafy argument - and the shooting is stopped cold in this moment of choice. I find it to be this incredible moment where Shepard is forced to chose what she/he is going to stand for in the final battle. I full-up buy the indoctrination theory, but even if you don't, it's a pretty awesome moment to make Shepard chose for the future of the galaxy in this crazy way. I veer right to red hardcore, and watching Shepard take a stand in that way just gave me the chills. I LOVE it.

HOWEVER.... That's not an end. That's the critical turning point of the story, the climax of the story. That's Frodo and Sam lying on the side of Mt. Doom with the ring's fate decided; that's Luke turning off the lightsaber and saying 'I will not kill my father.' That's the moment of truth: but it's not an ending, not really.

I mean, BioWare *could* end it there, but that leaves you with an epic that has no real conclusion. There's no playing out of the choices you made - even that critical choice with StarChild. There's no explanation for how the galaxy survives, what happens to your friends, what happens to Shepard, even. The brief cut-scenes at the end are so vague and error-laden (how is Kaidan magically teleported to the Normandy in his civvies when a moment ago he went down with the blast that hit Shepard?) that I find them no consolation. And to have the stargazer and grandson muse on Shepard's ending isn't really a conclusion either.

In short, I don't get this 'change' the endings. There IS no ending, not yet. There is a critical turning point that does not play out. There is a climax to the story that points to a few possible paths out of this mess. But there is not an ending, not really.

So as for endings, I just want to see them.

This is a good description actually... there is no catharsis after the climax.  In LOTR or Star Wars or any truly epic tale, there is the explosion and resoulation of the conflict then the aftermath and slow gradual fading of intensity to create a sense of finality to that particular tale.  

Even if you like the ending (I think it is okay, not the greatest but not the worst) it is hard to ignore that it just ends.  It leaves far too many questions unanswered and actually leaves the possibility that the conflict hasn't even really been resolved as evidenced by the indocrination theory out there.

While some movies and a book or two have gotten away with this type of ending, it is usually a story that is well founded in a metaphysical or philosophical context from the very beginning.  Mass Effect, however, was always well grounded in cause/effect... choice/consequence and showing that at every step.  The ending was only half that and forgot to show the effects and consequences of many many choices.  While I prefer the IT now, I would glady except epilogues that simply show how the universe differs with the Geth saved... or teh genophage... or how my crew survives and deals with the new circumstances.

[MartinBS007]

I finished the Mass Effect Series yesterday and waited a night long, so that I can write a comment.

The series is really great and you truly feel with all the characters, like Ash, Miranda, Anderson, Legion and all the others.

I just hope, that the "Truth" will deliver a real ending for the series, because this ending is just very frustrating and I still don't know, if it is just a bad dream or you are indoctrinated and you really have only one choice to come to the "Truth". And if you really listen to the fans, please make one Hollywood ending to this great series, where I can stand with Ash just dreaming and having kids...

I think you had so many freedom to make your own decisions in Mass Effect throughout the 3 Games, but in the End, you have just the choice to see the green, blue or the slightly different red ending....

 I like playing single player games and I didn't like to be forced to play multiplayer, so that I could only get the "real" ending, if I have earned enough multiplayer points.

So I'm really looking forward to April/May and I hope "the truth" will give us the good endings, we have been promised, where our decisions really count (I chose Ash and not Miranda, because Miranda could not have babys -shadow broker content). And please Bioware make "The Truth" last at least 2-3 hours of playing time... and for really good fans, who bought all collectors editions, please make it free!!! Thanks.

[almax1]

Just want to say that ME3 is by far one of the best games I've played, as were ME and ME2.

The whole hoopla about the ending is silly - it is about the game and the hours of enjoyment from playing it.
 
It's a creative media, and the ending is part of the creation - no one but the writers have a right to dictate what the ending is.

That said, I look forward to the DLC, whatever it may be, as I am always let down when a game like ME ends.

As for some of the content of the posts - you really shouldn't expect to be taken seriously when you act without any class.

[dfdsgrgre]

Is there any news about any dlc or changes

[Orumon]

MartinBS007 wrote...

So I'm really looking forward to April/May and I hope "the truth" will give us the good endings, we have been promised, where our decisions really count (I chose Ash and not Miranda, because Miranda could not have babys -shadow broker content). And please Bioware make "The Truth" last at least 2-3 hours of playing time... and for really good fans, who bought all collectors editions, please make it free!!! Thanks.

I hope it really DOES give us the endings (plural bioware) we paid for. Bioware made a truly excellent series UNTIL the ended it abruptly on an unexplained note.

[GoblinSapper]

dfdsgrgre wrote...

Is there any news about any dlc or changes

A PR Statement from Dr. Ray Mazuka, one of the big bosses of EA-Bioware, confirming they are working on "game content initiatives" but little else. Do a quick search, you can't miss it.

[christophershawmyjaffacake]

One more thing, I realise so far i have only posted negative comments regarding mass effects ending.

But I do believe Me3 is an amazing game, the level of detail and immersion is awesome, and I do love how the game turned out.

Its just the ending then stings...

[sagefic]

cedgedc wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

esides, even if it WAS, why cull all space-faring species every 50k years? why not just monitor the situation and drop in when organics make synthetics? the geth have been around for a few centuries, and just now the reapers are getting on the case? gimme a break.

You share some interesting thoughts. I wanted to share one with you here. While I didn't like everything I was hearing from the Starchild, I didn't feel that it didn't make sense.

Take the example of the Protheans:  (WARNING: DLC SPOILERS TO FOLLOW) 

They admit themselves that they dominate or destroy every species that comes to prominence during their reign. No other species is given an option to grow and prosper beyond a certain point.

(Spoiler End)

Hence the Starchild relates that not all Organic life is harvested, so that new civilizations can come about. To look at it another way, It's like picking ripened fruit from a tree before it spoils, allowing new fruit to grow.

And also you make the ripened fruit into pies and fruit salads (which we all know is fruit perfection.)

Yes. Good point. Well, and I need to replay From Ashes DLC to check this again, but I seem to remember that Javik tells you that his race HAD created AI, got into a war with them, and killed them off. Anyone remember? At any rate, his species was not in danger of being killed off by AI...until the reapers showed up.  Hmmm....

[Seival]

So, we already have a collection of videos with constructive criticism about ME3 endings, and even with very nice suggestions:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUqAhKW7498&list=LLP_2LFeHwwYE8lmxp4Bb97Q&feature=mh_lolz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGZJC-nY4TA&list=FLP_2LFeHwwYE8lmxp4Bb97Q&feature=mh_lolz

I'm sorry... No offence, but... Please, BioWare, do not abandon us! Do you see how much we care about the Trilogy?



People, if you will find more such videos, please, post them here.

[Pappi]

With the ending--I didn't really understand the choices too well. 0_o You were told once each choice and not given the chance to ask more about it. Then I was thrust rather quickly to make a choice, I kind of wanted to hear more about them first. I don't mind that the ending wasn't happy--but I never got to feel the impact because I had no idea what I was choosing.

liked the fact they were kind of deus ex-y in the grand scheme of things but I honestly felt they could have been foreshadowed a little better--heck with the dream sequences that would have been a great idea.

[Reverendez]

Great response from Bioware on this. Makes me a little ashamed to have doubted them. And it's unfortunate they had to deal with a few destructive complainers. They work on a game for a couple of years, we play it for a week and tear it right down. We always have to remember to step in the other guys shoes for a moment before we react.

I've always loved these games, and while Bioware continues to write amazing material, listen to and respond to fans I know I'll always be coming back.
If these new endings show up with a price tag, yeah I'll be paying it, and I'll be glad to. Call me a sucker, I don't care. I love these games, and I'll be buying and playing as long as they are making them. Especially if they have a complete ending.

[jeweledleah]

could people please stop with a fairy tale ending accusations? please? you are creating false premise deliberately, to try and discredit people who are dissatisfied.

would you call the ending of Dragon age origins or Dragon age 2 - fairy tale ending? I wouldn't. but they still had protagonist surviving and seeing their friends/allies/LI again. KOTOR didn't have fairy tale ending. neither did jade empire, or Baldur's gate. but they all had the protagonist having an option to survive and reunite with the companions/lovers. THIS is what most people mean by happy ending. well that and possibly seeing rebuilding efforts? that would be nice.

no matter how you swing it, its impossible to have anything but bittersweet, becasue so many people are lost, entire planets are decimated, friends and allies - gone, dead.

what the current ending (IF complete) is missing? is the sweet part.

@ Sage queen - while I like the theory and loved your post? I have doubts that what we got was anything but what bioware thought was definitive finale. and I could confidently say that plenty of people when they say "change the ending" mean - complete it, if your definition of complete is used.

[Muhvitus]

I can't get over the fact that all my playing through the trilogy, making choices, boils down to same ending with 3 different colourings, that is just cheap. Did someone ran out of ideas, editor was on vacation and deadline yesterday? Sooooooooo frustrating.

[dfstone]

The game itself is really really awesome. The combat system is good, the graphics are good (except for those dirty Alliance uniforms, I mean really, its the army don't they have to wash them once in a while?). The story with your companions is a lot more engaging and I love how they actually live on the ship now. They move around and talk with other people. Thats really awesome.

But then we get to the ending...and the whole thing kinda derails. You're left with the feeling that all these wonderful characters you've gotten to know either die or are stranded and left to die. And not a single decision you've made throughout the entire game and in fact all 3 Mass Effect games has made any difference at all in the end.

Its probably the most anti-hero ending to any game or any story I've ever seen. If you're playing an "evil" char, then it works out great. Everyone dies or is abandoned. But there is no hero in this game. The whole concept of being a hero evaporates because you don't save anyone, you don't help anyone. You actually make it worse. Its probably the worst heroic story ending I've ever seen.

But other than that...great game.

[Pappi]

I agree with you Reverendez...I think people mostly have put forward complaints because they love the world of Mass Effect so much, the people, the culture, the day-to-day things and they kind of wanted everything to go on existing.

Mass Effect is my favourite Bioware 'world creation' --I wanted more, to hear all the little stories and see all the characters, even the NPCs--that salarian fighter and his best human girl friend who sold her car to buy him top grade armour, that was so sweet! It is the little touches like that that I loved most of all--not the big stuff.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

 Things I'd like to see out of the new content:
* A way to avoid massive dextro-starvation and stranding. It would be nice if people could go back to their homeworlds safely. (Re: Relay Destruction)

- Perhaps make them decay instead of blow up? Or not blow up at all? This is a massively bad part of the ending. Very depressing and sad, kills the heart of the series.

* If my Shepard survives, I'd like him to be with his LI and crew, even if they have to be stranded, (I prefer that they be not, I would have liked to build that house on Rannoch that was teased.)

* Please insert a Harbinger confrontation somewhere. The ending would have been much better if it was between Harbinger and Shepard. Perhaps reveal the Catalyst is the Harbinger making concessions to Shepard? (It makes no sense Shepard would trust the being in control of the Reapers.)

* The Catalyst encounter needs a heavy revamp. Adding him to the ending was a bad decision - adding him at the last second felt cheap and contrived. I have a hard time seeing how you could fix this beyond making him a fake tool of the Reapers. You seem to dislike that suggestion. Good luck?

* The game _needs_ some kind of post ending closure with the characters. Not a slideshow, but you talking to your crew and your LI. If it _has_to be autodialog in a cutscene, that's fine. Just something to close out on to make you happy if you made good choices and had high EMS. (It's OK for Shepard to die if you screw up.) But seeing Joker abscond with my LI in an Adam/Eve metaphor feels almost like Bioware trolling me.

Side Note:

* In a future DLC, if you modelled Tali's face in game and revealed it, that would be nice and be better than the whole "photoshopped face" thing.I also would really like to see the indoctrination theory implemented in game. It seems like the best way to salvage the Catalyst's damage to the plot.

[hchadw]

Reverendez wrote...

Great response from Bioware on this. Makes me a little ashamed to have doubted them. And it's unfortunate they had to deal with a few destructive complainers. They work on a game for a couple of years, we play it for a week and tear it right down. We always have to remember to step in the other guys shoes for a moment before we react.

I've always loved these games, and while Bioware continues to write amazing material, listen to and respond to fans I know I'll always be coming back.
If these new endings show up with a price tag, yeah I'll be paying it, and I'll be glad to. Call me a sucker, I don't care. I love these games, and I'll be buying and playing as long as they are making them. Especially if they have a complete ending.

Yeah I have 640 Bioware points left on my account... hope thats what the endings cost... i will spend those points on the ending if they give us he rest of the story.

[sagefic]

jeweledleah wrote...

@ Sage queen - while I like the theory and loved your post? I have doubts that what we got was anything but what bioware thought was definitive finale. and I could confidently say that plenty of people when they say "change the ending" mean - complete it, if your definition of complete is used.

True enough. That's what has me kind of saddened as well. I just don't know if BioWare ever intended to go further than the moment Shepard makes the choice (and in my case, gets left in the rubble). When I look at it through the lens of indoctrination theory, all the weirdnesses clear up and it fits in the whole...but it doesn't have an end. When I look at it any other way, it makes no sense AND it doesn't have an end.

Either way, I just don't think the story actually concludes to what would - in any other medium of storytelling - be considered an end.

[cedgedc]

sagequeen wrote...

cedgedc wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

esides, even if it WAS, why cull all space-faring species every 50k years? why not just monitor the situation and drop in when organics make synthetics? the geth have been around for a few centuries, and just now the reapers are getting on the case? gimme a break.

You share some interesting thoughts. I wanted to share one with you here. While I didn't like everything I was hearing from the Starchild, I didn't feel that it didn't make sense.

Take the example of the Protheans:  (WARNING: DLC SPOILERS TO FOLLOW) 

They admit themselves that they dominate or destroy every species that comes to prominence during their reign. No other species is given an option to grow and prosper beyond a certain point.

(Spoiler End)

Hence the Starchild relates that not all Organic life is harvested, so that new civilizations can come about. To look at it another way, It's like picking ripened fruit from a tree before it spoils, allowing new fruit to grow.

And also you make the ripened fruit into pies and fruit salads (which we all know is fruit perfection.)

Yes. Good point. Well, and I need to replay From Ashes DLC to check this again, but I seem to remember that Javik tells you that his race HAD created AI, got into a war with them, and killed them off. Anyone remember? At any rate, his species was not in danger of being killed off by AI...until the reapers showed up.  Hmmm....

I don't recall if he said he'd killed them off. I do remember him saying that this war with their AI was waged pretty much right up until they were invaded however.

My take on it was not simply that AI were the threat, but rather the chaos of organic life in general was the issue- but innevitable conflicts with AI were among those pieces of that chaos.

You have the example of the protheans. And yes they may have defeated their AI, but who's to say that would be the end?

Afterall, even after the Geth, and strict laws forbiding AI research, humanity had several times experimented with AI (present both in the novels and in the game content, Luna and EDI being two prime examples)

But the elements of chaos are where it comes into play; of what happens when species that has ascended to galactic prominence comes into contact with younger species: The Solarians with the Krogan come to mind, and once again the example of the Protheans with all the species they subjugated or conquered.

Modifié par cedgedc, 21 mars 2012 - 08:46 .

[DuncanId]

Ilzairspar wrote...

 I might have said this before, but I would like to make sure that (after your co-founders blog post) I am understood.
Yes I would like you to make the ending make more sense any give us more closure.  However that was not my biggest gripe.
It was the lack of choice.

So here is what I'd like to see.  Keep at least 3options where Shepard dies.  One paragon (self sacrifice),one Renegade (you pissed of too many people to live), and of course one where you didn't have enough forces to make it through.
Two options to live:  
One  paragon (the 4th option that you think of....sort of like quarian/Geth peace). Many of our Shepards have made it a business of doing he impossible.  make it really tough, but give us th chance to do it one more time.
One Rengade (the destroy option in the game works). 
Keep the relays intact.  You can have them not working, but don't destroy them.  After Arrival we know what happens if  they blow up.

Finally, give us one last goodbye post mission.  The epilogue everyone wants.

Sorry if this makes no sense, but I'm sending this from my phone.  Can't tell if it is typing out correctly.

I think that's what most of us expected in the first place.

[Thanatos144]

Did it never dawn on you guys that maybe they don't want to make games in this universe anymore????????That they the CREATORS want the story done with and to move on to different things?

[ste100]

Hi;
Bioware - Give me the opportunity to complete my adventure with finale, which will reflect all of my choices, from all ME games.
I do not expect anything more.

Thank You.

Modifié par ste100, 21 mars 2012 - 08:46 .

[GBJ13]

I submitted a complete list of what I'd like to see in the ending here: http://social.biowar...2790/1#10405104

I really hope you guys fix the ending. I'm a huge fan of your studio.

[DuncanId]

cedgedc wrote...

Afterall, even after the Geth, and strict laws forbiding AI research, humanity had several times experimented with AI (present both in the novels and in the game content, Luna and EDI being two prime examples)

As I remember it from the game, that's only one example