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[Reverendez]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Did it never dawn on you guys that maybe they don't want to make games in this universe anymore????????That they the CREATORS want the story done with and to move on to different things?

That had definitely not occurred to us, dude.


 But seriously, those new and different things, I have faith, will be awesome as well. They just need to finish what they started here, and not leave it hanging on such a dangling thread.

[clarkusdarkus]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Did it never dawn on you guys that maybe they don't want to make games in this universe anymore????????That they the CREATORS want the story done with and to move on to different things?

no, not when at the end of the credits they tell us to buy there dlc to further the legend. so id hardly say there bored with this universe

[Thanatos144]

Reverendez wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Did it never dawn on you guys that maybe they don't want to make games in this universe anymore????????That they the CREATORS want the story done with and to move on to different things?

That had definitely not occurred to us, dude.


 But seriously, those new and different things, I have faith, will be awesome as well. They just need to finish what they started here, and not leave it hanging on such a dangling thread.

Other than fillers in the games it is finished.....Thus the whole reason for the relays being destroyed.

[sagefic]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Did it never dawn on you guys that maybe they don't want to make games in this universe anymore????????That they the CREATORS want the story done with and to move on to different things?

Well, considering how much money they've made on this franchise...

No, that thought had not occurred me. 

[Lord_Durin]

sagequeen wrote...

That's not an end. That's the critical turning point of the story, the climax of the story. That's Frodo and Sam lying on the side of Mt. Doom with the ring's fate decided; that's Luke turning off the lightsaber and saying 'I will not kill my father.' That's the moment of truth: but it's not an ending, not really.

I was thinking this just earlier today. Now, while peopel criticize the LotR movies for taking too long to finish and tie off all the loose ends, its all necessary in order to provide the closure for all the characters that we all cared about over that 10-12 hour journey across 3 movies. What we want is the same sense of closure with our personal 100+ hour journey with our shepard and our crew. I'm not asking for a 45 minute cutscene - that would be rediculous and we all know that. All we want is to do what all the other memorable epics have done; understand that the story is, after all this time, over, and as such all of the many plotlines must come to a close.

A little off topic, I've been reading a lot of hate on the "ending", and I just want to let Bioware know that still really want to love you. these games are amazing and in my opinion ME3 was the best of them all, and they should feel good for making such an amazing game. but to trip over yourself and make a mess of everything when you were so close... it hurts, and it breaks our hearts. Thats' why we lash out at you -  not out of hate, but out of love.

[dfstone]

Mass Effect is Bioware's best selling franchise. I doubt they want to get rid of it.

[cedgedc]

DuncanId wrote...

cedgedc wrote...

Afterall, even after the Geth, and strict laws forbiding AI research, humanity had several times experimented with AI (present both in the novels and in the game content, Luna and EDI being two prime examples)

As I remember it from the game, that's only one example 

lol Well yes and no. Sure it's the same AI essentially, but these are two instances of galactic races taking their own initiative, defying galactic law and creating AI.

But there is still the separate example present in the books as well. I forget the details, but it's there!

[E_v_e_n]

Omnike wrote...

E_v_e_n wrote...

Omnike wrote...

E_v_e_n wrote...

I'm an official Indoctrination Theory believer after watching that video... The ending suddenly made so much more sense to me now...

Was it Angry Joe's? Or acavyo's?

Haha, people are posting so quickly xD It was this one: 
  I think acavyo's. 

Yeah, it's a real good theory. He added on it too. It sold me, even if it isn't officially what Bioware was going for. I'd check out Angry Joe's too, he adds a lot of points. he references this video quite a bit too.

 

Also a very good vid, and I support what Angry Joe said in the vid; "If the ending really was reality, then please, Bioware, take this fanfiction and make it your DLC. This one's on us"
Would make for the most epic mind**** in the history of gaming, as long as they won't charge for the "true" ending... If they release it as free DLC, I won't complain.

[cedgedc]

Lord_Durin wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

That's not an end. That's the critical turning point of the story, the climax of the story. That's Frodo and Sam lying on the side of Mt. Doom with the ring's fate decided; that's Luke turning off the lightsaber and saying 'I will not kill my father.' That's the moment of truth: but it's not an ending, not really.

I was thinking this just earlier today. Now, while peopel criticize the LotR movies for taking too long to finish and tie off all the loose ends, its all necessary in order to provide the closure for all the characters that we all cared about over that 10-12 hour journey across 3 movies. What we want is the same sense of closure with our personal 100+ hour journey with our shepard and our crew.

This is exactly the example I gave in my post as well, about 2 pages back lol. Things get burried so fast in this thread.

But yes, there's this sense that the game rushes to an ending as though they're afraid they will lose the audience.

However I should note that I largely loved the ending; the whole game for that matter.

[dfstone]

I get where they were going with the ending. They wanted to add mystery to it, to have Shepherd disappear under mysterious circumstances. Thats Making A Legend 101. To the outside, Commander Shepherd the Hero storms into the Citadel to finally confront the Reapers once and for all. No one knows what happened but suddenly, mysteriously the Reapers disappear and Shepherd along with them. I get it, thats a legendary kind of story. Like a myth thing.

Problem with that though, is that they forgot that they just spent 5 years and 3 games of setting the player up with an entire custom made universe. And they just ignore it all. Thats not cool.

[Asceiron]

I played the mass effect games and im very much in love with them.
Without a doubt my favorite rp games. But I was heartbroken when I
discovered the ending/s of mass effect 3. My first thought was, "what a
waste, im returning this!" which of course would be a mistake, I was
just disappointed.
I played this character from when he first sat
down on eden prime- despite the odds, he and his team survived what no
one else would- through countless suicide missions, and all I wanted was
an ending where the reapers were defeated- without having to sacrifice
the hero I played for so many - months, even years! Its just wrong.

[jeweledleah]

pretty sure developers stated that while they want Shepard's story to conclude, they weren't done with Mass Effect as a whole. not by a long shot. so, no, going by developer interviews it didn't occur to me that they wanted to stop making content for Mass Effect completely. why would it, when they directly said otherwise?

[Pappi]

It would have been nice to learn a bit more about the reapers, what they were and where was harbringer at the end actullay? I was expecting some rooting tootin convos

[Blue Liara]

 Good article from Forbes.com that explains why the indoctrination theory would be a bad way for Bioware to 'fix' the endings and would essentially be a cop out that would not really address the problems that fans have with the game. 

www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/03/21/mass-effect-3-ending-the-indoctrination-theory-is-the-easy-way-out/

[luci90]

Thanatos144 wrote...




Did it never dawn on you guys that maybe they don't want to make games in this universe anymore????????That they the CREATORS want the story done with and to move on to different things?

But they do.




They even said that they do.

[Thanatos144]

luci90 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...





Did it never dawn on you guys that maybe they don't want to make games in this universe anymore????????That they the CREATORS want the story done with and to move on to different things?

But they do.





They even said that they do.

No they didnt they said uit was the end of shepards story.......They left the other part open. I happen to think they are right. If they dio it in this universe it will have to be in the past.....How they ended the game was spot on. It put a finality on it.  Things don't always go as you want.

Modifié par Thanatos144, 21 mars 2012 - 09:05 .

[Pappi]

The fact the mass relays are destroyed was a nice touch, all that alien contact and mixing, etc and now they are all seperated. I wish they had done more about that. That was an interesting idea

[Bloodhound66]

Well, just got caught up on the Indoctrination Theory. While it makes a ton of sense, it takes away from all satisfaction I had stated with my ending in my previous post. Because only destroying the reapers is the real "good" ending, and the other two result in the reapers getting their way. This is IF you believe the indoctrination theory. The problem I had with that is, why did I spend half my game scanning planets and doubling back to the citadel to make sure I have the highest EMS possible? If this theory IS correct, than I would have been forced to destroy the reapers no matter what my EMS, and would have obtained the best ending?

I donno, the indoctrination theory seems a little far-fetched, despite how much sense it makes. It also means that BioWare is VERY VERY sneaky. And that I'll be forced to purchase additinal DLC to see everything through. Is that the case here? If so, shame on you BW/EA for fooling your dedicated fanbase for a higher dollar figure.

[Lord_Durin]

Pappi wrote...

It would have been nice to learn a bit more about the reapers, what they were and where was harbringer at the end actullay? I was expecting some rooting tootin convos

This very much. I would have **** myself if i was able to talk to harbinger in person, and even (maybe) convince him to let me go into the citadel and end the cycle of extermination. that would have been awesome, though very improbable.

[E_v_e_n]

Blue Liara wrote...

 Good article from Forbes.com that explains why the indoctrination theory would be a bad way for Bioware to 'fix' the endings and would essentially be a cop out that would not really address the problems that fans have with the game. 

www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/03/21/mass-effect-3-ending-the-indoctrination-theory-is-the-easy-way-out/

In this case, though, the easiest way out might provide the smartest way out. Maybe Bioware was planning to explain it differently, but in this case, then we have a theory that actually makes sense, and Bioware taking it and using it would also help their credibility as a company that really cares about their fans, and also let the fans help decide how the game will be. It could be a result of a combined effort from the gaming community and Bioware itself, so that the fans can have a way of feeling that they actually helped create the true ending of Commander Shepard's story.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Did it never dawn on you guys that maybe they don't want to make games in this universe anymore????????That they the CREATORS want the story done with and to move on to different things?

OK?

Then let it end on a note without ultra grimdarkness so we can imagine what happens instead.

"
This very much. I would have **** myself if i was able to talk to harbinger in person, and even (maybe) convince him to let me go into the citadel and end the cycle of extermination. that would have been awesome, though very improbable."

This would have been amazing, Harbinger trying to appeal to you for its life. "Shepard. Wait. You do not understand what you do. You act against your own interests"

Modifié par PKchu, 21 mars 2012 - 09:09 .

[luci90]

Thanatos144 wrote...

luci90 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...












Did it never dawn on you guys that maybe they don't want to make games in this universe anymore????????That they the CREATORS want the story done with and to move on to different things?

But they do.












They even said that they do.

No they didnt they said uit was the end of shepards story.......They left the other part open. I happen to think they are right. If they dio it in this universe it will have to be in the past.....How they ended the game was spot on. It put a finality on it.  Things don't always go as you want.

.....Really? That BUY DLCLOL message must have been my imagination then.

[Thanatos144]

luci90 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

luci90 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

















Did it never dawn on you guys that maybe they don't want to make games in this universe anymore????????That they the CREATORS want the story done with and to move on to different things?

But they do.

















They even said that they do.

No they didnt they said uit was the end of shepards story.......They left the other part open. I happen to think they are right. If they dio it in this universe it will have to be in the past.....How they ended the game was spot on. It put a finality on it.  Things don't always go as you want.

.....Really? That BUY DLCLOL message must have been my imagination then.

Your point is weak. DLC can be inserted anywhere. It doesnt have to change the universe just enhance the gameplay.

[BrotherFluffy]

 Hello.  Posted here before, but since Dr. Muzyka made his announcement, I'd like to again go over what I didn't care for in the ending, just to refresh everyone's memory.  

1.  OUR CHOICES SHOULD MATTER.  Seriously, I cannot stress this one enough.  We spent so much time shaping the fate of the galaxy it feels like a slap in the face to have it all destroyed by the Star Child and his three choices.  At the end, it feels like all we did was push the Galactic Reset Button and undo all the things we've done.  It's not bittersweet, it's a total downer.  

2.  LOGICAL FALLACIES.  The Star Child/Catalyst is seriously chock-full of these.  Not only is the reasoning so absurd and the reasoning insanely circular, it removes the Reapers as terrifying superbeings.  They move from Lovecraftian horrors to Star Wars Battle Droids.  

3.  PLOT HOLES.  Where was Joker going?  WHY was he even going?  And how in the world did my squadmates get there?  

4.  ABANDONMENT OF CORE THEMES AND VALUES.  While Synthetics vs. Organics is a theme running throughout the ME games, but not in just the vein of "One MUST destroy the other."  In fact, the Geth are ENTIRELY pacifistic, believing that every race has the right to "self-determinate."  In fact, you can unite the Geth and the Quarians shortly before meeting the Catalyst, and this never even occurs to Shepard to mention it?  Furthermore, the values of Tolerance and Unity, and more importantly, the theme of hope is utterly gutted by the destruction of the Mass Relays.  

5.  NO "GOOD" ENDING OPTIONS-Yes, I want an option for a "happy" ending.  Look, I'm not talking victory parade, giant speeches happy.  But I'd like an ending in which I don't doom the entire galaxy to the dark ages.  An ending where Shepard can shut down the Reapers(maybe, by say, convincing the Catalyst to turn them off.  He DOES control them), and survive to live another day.  I know that people keep saying "This isn't going to be a rainbows and unicorns type game," and the game makes it VERY clear from the beginning that it isn't.  I don't think it would be too hard to imagine a ray of hope at the end.  

6.  ACTUALLY DIFFERENT ENDINGS-Seriously.  If you want to stick with the original Control/Synthesis/Destroy endings, give us ACTUALLY divergent endings.  Show how Shepard controls the Reapers besides him grabbing on to two conduits.  Show what happens when Synthesis occurs.  Because right now, we've got 95% identical footage between all three films, save the color scheme.

Thanks for listening.  

[blair32]

I would like that the curent ending turned out to be Shepeard frighting Indoctrination ...... video link