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[Thanatos144]

and if all endings even if they make new ones still end with Shepards death?????? Did you all think it was just random they chose the Shepard for her? She is shepherding in a new age for the galaxy....I of course like the endings and think if Shepard lives at the end it betrays the core of the game which is making hard choices for the betterment of all life.

[Sans Changer]

I get the impression that the Crucible didn't destroy the relays in the same manner as the one in "Arrival". They self-destruct and their destructive output is unleashed along the relay paths to the next relay, rather than exploding into their local areas.

In short, I can see the Reapers being destroyed and the galaxy not changing too much. The enemy is defeated, FTL at speeds several times over that of light are still possible, just not the fast galaxy-hopping that the relays provided, and maybe the sentient races will take a very careful look at AI in the future (which is the great stumbling block of most dramatic or action science fiction, since it stands to reason that if AI is doing everything, there isn't anything for people to do).

The endings are somewhat ambiguous in that everyone can come up with their own ideas. In my mind, Shepard recovers and goes looking for the Normandy. Everyone can have their own ending to some degree....

But I agree with everything else. Why was the Normandy on a relay anyway, to escape the Citadel destruction? How were people on Earth picked up? Are the Krogan now isolated, and without the leadership of Wrex going to turn on each other to satiate their bloodlust (because even with non-relay FTL, it's going to take a long time for Wrex to get home).

And I also agree the three endings are too inflexible. It does add some weight to the indoctrination theory... we've seen before that people who are indoctrinated seem to think there is only one path forward.

[CuseGirl]

I'm sorry, I can't let Bioware off the hook because of the indoctrination theory. DLC or not, when ME-3 was shipped, it should have had an ACTUAL conclusion to story of the Reapers, Commander Shepard, and his friends/allies/acquaintances. Because no matter how you slice this debable, Bioware shipped an incomplete game.

[CuseGirl]

Sans Changer wrote...

I get the impression that the Crucible didn't destroy the relays in the same manner as the one in "Arrival". They self-destruct and their destructive output is unleashed along the relay paths to the next relay, rather than exploding into their local areas.

In short, I can see the Reapers being destroyed and the galaxy not changing too much. The enemy is defeated, FTL at speeds several times over that of light are still possible, just not the fast galaxy-hopping that the relays provided, and maybe the sentient races will take a very careful look at AI in the future (which is the great stumbling block of most dramatic or action science fiction, since it stands to reason that if AI is doing everything, there isn't anything for people to do).

The endings are somewhat ambiguous in that everyone can come up with their own ideas. In my mind, Shepard recovers and goes looking for the Normandy. Everyone can have their own ending to some degree....

But I agree with everything else. Why was the Normandy on a relay anyway, to escape the Citadel destruction? How were people on Earth picked up? Are the Krogan now isolated, and without the leadership of Wrex going to turn on each other to satiate their bloodlust (because even with non-relay FTL, it's going to take a long time for Wrex to get home).

And I also agree the three endings are too inflexible. It does add some weight to the indoctrination theory... we've seen before that people who are indoctrinated seem to think there is only one path forward.

Well in the one ending where Shepard could possibly live (probably the ending MOST fans would choose) the Relays are definitively destroyed (if we reject the indoctrination theory).

[raigns]

It's sad to have such an amazing game just fall and shatter in the last few moments of the entire series. It's like building a radiant sculpture over several years, only to kick it off a skyscraper when you're finally finished, you just get the option of using your foot, a bat, or a sledge hammer to hike it off.....it still shatters in the end. The endings all led to the same conclusion....no matter what you choose, everyone is screwed with the relays gone. You didn't really "save" anyone...you just gave Earth its escape, leaving many of the other races flat on their face or subjected to chaos themselves.

Earth is near obliterated, the Krogan are repopulating without leadership from Wrex, Turians and Quarians are without food, Asari are in the same boat as Earth, and nobody is able to return to their home worlds or leave the ones they are currently in. Two of the endings consist of the Citadel being completely destroyed, the other has it taken away...making any ideas of using the Citadel as a haven completely removed. Then you get the anti-climatic of the Normandy being on some unknown planet in an unknown system, completely isolated and, for all intents and purposes, trapped. Considering the circumstances, they might as well be dead considering they have little means of construction materials and food.

Destroying the Reapers makes the situation even more unappealing considering that all synthetics are demolished from existance and so is the technology everyone uses....making any space-fairing vehicle disabled where they are. Sorry Quarians who are trying to resettle, no more Geth to aid you. EDI should have been disabled if that were the case as well (provided you didn't take her on the mission with you). No matter the path you choose, everyone is screwed, it's the same ending, just a different colored ball of energy.

Modifié par raigns, 23 mars 2012 - 04:23 .

[lillitheris]

I feel a little bad saying and seeing "BioWare did X", or whatever. The fact is that the real artists in all departments did a fantastic job, they just were not given the time (or according to some reports, even the opportunity) to finish the story right.

Some suit somewhere is responsible for shipping an incomplete work. The shipping decision is not made democratically when everyone who's worked on the game agrees it's ready to go. It's a handful of people who may not even have had anything to do with the development. When I say BioWare or EA, that's who I'm talking about.

Modifié par lillitheris, 23 mars 2012 - 04:07 .

[Thanatos144]

Again even if they change the ending I feel Shepard needs to die....Her/His story needs a final end no mater if it sets a minority of loud fanboy crying in their hankies.

Modifié par Thanatos144, 23 mars 2012 - 04:11 .

[Zhangir]

Dear Bioware, Thanks for listening.
Please do change it. Otherwise we will all live our lives unhappy.

[alpiePL vel Dziejski]

According to the Ray Muzika statement I conclude that in my opinion ME3 is wonderful, the best from the entire trilogy. "This is it!"
Unfortunately, this does not apply to the ending of game, which is devoid of any sense. It very reduces a general score of game. Very long ago I did not feel so much negative emotions: sorrow, strong sense of disappointment and powerless fury when I've watched ME3 ending. "Isn't it?"

And I don't think that after that any explanation of the BioWare will me satisfy. I will be satisfied only when BioWare will issue a patch (or even paid DLC) that contains alternative, logical and meaningful the end saga, including the Happy End. So... hold the line!

Modifié par alpiePL, 24 mars 2012 - 08:56 .

[Semi-Sweet Serpent Charmer]

 The endings; I feel like the entire game was brilliant and completely well crafted, wrapping up stories that my character has been involved in since the first game. 

If the ending is truly an indoctrination hallucination, I'm holding out hope for the real ending in April, and I believe what you've done is absolutely brilliant.  True indoctrination; you guys have really broken the mold once again.

If the ending is actually what you intended the ending to be, I can't even begin to describe my utter dissapointment.  But I would point you to this article, here: 

http://forums.penny-...omment/22477015

I would hope that you can read it in it's entirety, since it's long.  There's also some swearing in it so I won't repost it here as it may be filtered.  But here's a good summation of how I and many others feel from the end of this amazing article:

"That's really where the ending falls down. Everything after seems hollow because it is - there's no reason why she deserves to save the galaxy when she beat the big bad and it didn't matter. The endings don't work because they don't address what people have been told to care about through the entire series - the themes that the writers have been reinforcing, mission after mission. They've been shaping Shepard into what they wanted to be most - a better person, a better lay, maybe only the person willing to be ruthless and stretch the rules where it counts - and it doesn't seem to matter at all. 

The violation isn't of the player's decisions. It's of Shepard's role as the player's ideal hero. It takes the interactivity of the game, perhaps its most unique and evocative feature, and utterly ignores the immense potential to take the romance genre to its most extreme catharsis. Every step to this point has been another drop in the Care Bucket, and it just got set gently to the floor instead of poured out in one big release. (yes this is all sexual) 

So, players take to the internet, tension unrelieved, and vent it against Bioware and Catalyst instead. I was expecting Shepard to end up being the Catalyst, because that would make sense in terms of the tautology of the game - Shepard is the person who is the most necessary to save the galaxy, because we spend the entire trilogy making her that way. It doesn't matter how that's expressed, only that it is. We didn't get that moment. Instead, we get an epilogue talking about 'the Shepard', an abstract concept that doesn't have a lot to do with the "reality" of the game we've played.

She might as well be anyone. And that's the thing that nobody wanted said about their Shepard."

Modifié par Short Cake Slayer, 23 mars 2012 - 04:16 .

[McSorley]

I tend to agree with a lot of the other posters here and say the endings were all a bit disappointing. I just can't figure out if I am more disappointed with the fact that every ending requires Shepard to die or lose contact with everyone he ever cared about, or if it is more along the lines of just being so lackluster in comparison the all the things faced in the epic journey leading up to the end. There were many, many times in the game where emotions ran high with the beautifully written and effective (no pun intended) storytelling; but the end just didn't seem to live up to the rest. Let me clarify this, though: I DID enjoy how things looked so dire as Shep is all busted up and bleeding, with the suspenseful trudge toward the final confrontation. I understand that loss and sacrifice are all part of the experience, but to play all three games and complete all extra objectives in order to possibly attain the highest level of paragon and strive for the best possible ending... it is just a bit disappointing that it should end in such a way...

[FollowMeClosely]

Because BioWare insists they are listening to feedback, I feel the need to add my own.

I read the blog about the critics reviews being perfect or near-so, and I would say that these people are just critics. They are -not- loyal fans of the Mass Effect franchise who invest years and money into these games. They get paid to play this game, write a few paragraphs about it, give a rating, and that's it. I am glad BW is taking the time to listen to their fans at least, and not sit back and be satisfied with a few critic reviews and be done with the three simple endings.

Granted, there are many story arcs that BW has to deal with from the previous two games. So many player choices have to be taken into consideration when making a conclusion to a trilogy. I understand that and believe other fans should keep this mind.

That's where I stop defending BW, however. I completed two of the three endings of ME3: Sythesis, and Destroying the Reapers. I didn't even bother with the third one. It's been over a week since I've fully completed the game (even the side missions), so I've had some time to discuss with friends what we thought of the ending.

I cannot express how disappointed I was that Shepard had to absolutely die for one ending. I mean, seriously? Granted, I am a female so I was hoping for a happy ending, so the Sythesis ending wasn't my cup of tea where my Shepard was involved. So, I went back and did the Destroy the Reapers ending and saw the small cutscene showing her ruined armor, N7 tags, and her taking an inhale. That was more satisfying--at least she lived. But what kind of fan should sit back make excuses for a game with "at leasts"?

What really upset me, though, was not knowing what the surviving characters did with their lives. I played DA:O and BW had the decency to add a few paragraphs about what each of your companions did after the conclusion. BW didn't even bother with that after the end of ME3. This bothered me and a lot of my friends.

Here was this awesome game you had so much fun with, and it was as if someone just cut out the real ending and pasted on a scrapped one, you know?

I am glad BW is at least listening to it's real fans, and not just the critics. Fans are more invested in this franchise and BW as a whole. They really shouldn't leave us hanging like this.

Modifié par FollowMeClosely, 23 mars 2012 - 05:53 .

[Thanatos144]

maybe my buddy is right and forums are just places where people cry that they didnt get what they believed owned to them......

Modifié par Thanatos144, 23 mars 2012 - 04:26 .

[Tititaka]

I am too low and dissapointed to say anything. I just have to say that the ending was the biggest bluff I´ve ever experienced in a videogame. I still support Bioware, most of the game Its great just like 2 past ME games but the endings are too obscure and confusing, they just doesnt feel fulfilling anyway.

[luci90]

Thanatos144 wrote...

maybe my buddy is right and forums are just places where people cry that they didnt get what they believed owned to them......No one owes you guys anything. You dont like the ending???? Sorry for your luck.

I can't take you seriously anymore.

[Sans Changer]

luci90 wrote...

I can't take you seriously anymore.

Funny, I can imagine this in Garrus's voice perfectly.

[dfdsgrgre]

Thanatos144 wrote...

maybe my buddy is right and forums are just places where people cry that they didnt get what they believed owned to them......

They actualy do. the made promisies and marketed the product in a certin way. we did not recive a product that matched the disciption. Acording to the LAW the product must mach the discription

Ps I firmly belive you to be an idiot

Modifié par dfdsgrgre, 23 mars 2012 - 04:31 .

[McSorley]

FollowMeClosely wrote...

Because BioWare insists they are listening to feedback, I feel the need to add my own.

I read the blog about the critics reviews being perfect or near-so, and I would say that these people are just critics. They are -not- loyal fans of the Mass Effect franchise who invest years and money into these games. They get paid to play this game, write a few paragraphs about it, give a rating, and that's it. I am glad BW is taking the time to listen to their fans at least, and not sit back and be satisfied with a few critic reviews and be done with the three simple endings.

Granted, there are many story arcs that BW has to deal with from the previous two games. So many player choices have to be taken into consideration when making a conclusion to a trilogy. I understand that and believe other fans should keep this mind.

That's where I stop defending BW, however. I completed two of the three endings of ME3: Sythesis, and Destroying the Reapers. I didn't even bother with the third one. It's been over a week since I've fully completed completed the game (even the side missions), so I've had some time to discuss with friends what we thought of the ending.

I cannot express how disappointed I was that Shepard had to absolutely die for one ending. I mean, seriously? Granted, I am a female so I was hoping for a happy ending, so the Sythesis ending wasn't my cup of tea where my Shepard was involved. So, I went back and did the Destroy the Reapers ending and saw the small cutscene showing her ruined armor, N7 tags, and her taking an inhale. That was more satisfying--at least she lived. But what kind of fan should sit back make excuses for a game with "at leasts"?

What really upset me, though, was not knowing what the surviving characters did with their lives. I played DA:O and BW had the decency to add a few paragraphs about what each of your companions did after the conclusion. BW didn't even bother with that after the end of ME3. This bothered me and a lot of my friends.

Here was this awesome game you had so much fun with, and it was as if someone just cut out the real ending and pasted on a scrapped one, you know?

I am glad BW is at least listening to it's real fans, and not just the critics. Fans are more invested in this franchise and BW as a whole. They really shouldn't leave us hanging like this.

I agree with your entire post except for one thing: hearing and listening are two entirely different things.  Those in BioWare who claim to be listening seem to only be hearing us... they feel it may be a bit concerning to them that we are not satisfied with the overall outcome(s), but they have already said they will not be changing (fixing) the issue.

Oh, and as far as the whole "I'm a female and wanted a happy ending" thing, I am a dude and wanted the same thing you did.

**EDIT**

I stand corrected (to a certain extent).  BioWare is actually going to provide some improved cinematics for the endings.

Modifié par McSorley, 23 mars 2012 - 05:41 .

[BCMakoto]

III Achilles II wrote...

Honestly! I know that there is something more planned for the ending. I just wish fellow fans would have the virtue of patience. The truth is that releasing something about the ending now hasn't given very many people a chance to experience the ending for themselves. Most people find that the ending was over hyped about how bad it was from people who took it at face value.

I just want the game to finish the way it was intended to finish. I'm not stupid. I understand the ending and I feel bad for fans who just assumed this was the face value ending or can't stand waiting for a DLC to come out to complete the game.

To quote this from an earlier post.

The forums are falling apart right now, hell breaks lose, 10$ drop of price on their game...and you still think Bioware would be silent if they had something in stock?

People even returned their games. There are some points pointing that there will be something more. Twitter posts, missing data, the easter egg at the end...however... I would not be silent, even if some people still have not experienced the ending. It currently kills the company. Well, not kill, but weakens it.

[dfdsgrgre]

McSorley wrote...

FollowMeClosely wrote...

Because BioWare insists they are listening to feedback, I feel the need to add my own.

I read the blog about the critics reviews being perfect or near-so, and I would say that these people are just critics. They are -not- loyal fans of the Mass Effect franchise who invest years and money into these games. They get paid to play this game, write a few paragraphs about it, give a rating, and that's it. I am glad BW is taking the time to listen to their fans at least, and not sit back and be satisfied with a few critic reviews and be done with the three simple endings.

Granted, there are many story arcs that BW has to deal with from the previous two games. So many player choices have to be taken into consideration when making a conclusion to a trilogy. I understand that and believe other fans should keep this mind.

That's where I stop defending BW, however. I completed two of the three endings of ME3: Sythesis, and Destroying the Reapers. I didn't even bother with the third one. It's been over a week since I've fully completed completed the game (even the side missions), so I've had some time to discuss with friends what we thought of the ending.

I cannot express how disappointed I was that Shepard had to absolutely die for one ending. I mean, seriously? Granted, I am a female so I was hoping for a happy ending, so the Sythesis ending wasn't my cup of tea where my Shepard was involved. So, I went back and did the Destroy the Reapers ending and saw the small cutscene showing her ruined armor, N7 tags, and her taking an inhale. That was more satisfying--at least she lived. But what kind of fan should sit back make excuses for a game with "at leasts"?

What really upset me, though, was not knowing what the surviving characters did with their lives. I played DA:O and BW had the decency to add a few paragraphs about what each of your companions did after the conclusion. BW didn't even bother with that after the end of ME3. This bothered me and a lot of my friends.

Here was this awesome game you had so much fun with, and it was as if someone just cut out the real ending and pasted on a scrapped one, you know?

I am glad BW is at least listening to it's real fans, and not just the critics. Fans are more invested in this franchise and BW as a whole. They really shouldn't leave us hanging like this.

I agree with your entire post except for one thing: hearing and listening are two entirely different things.  Those in BioWare who claim to be listening seem to only be hearing us... they feel it may be a bit concerning to them that we are not satisfied with the overall outcome(s), but they have already said they will not be changing (fixing) the issue.

Oh, and as far as the whole "I'm a female and wanted a happy ending" thing, I am a dude and wanted the same thing you did.

Same here ( both dude and happy ending aspects)

[Gudmoore]

Thanatos144 wrote...

maybe my buddy is right and forums are just places where people cry that they didnt get what they believed owned to them......

Except this has nothing to do with us being unsatisfied fans and gamers. This has to do with CONSUMER rights, we spent hard earned money on the game and/or series. What do you do when you get something at the store that doesn't have everything included when the box says it does? The majority of us would take it back and get a replacement. Now this option doesn't work here, the plethora of endings that was promised wasn't delivered on; now with a game you can't simply go get a replacement as they're all built and coded the same way.

So instead we go to the company, and right now we're trying to get that piece that was said to be included on the box in the game.

Modifié par Gudmoore, 23 mars 2012 - 04:36 .

[weltraumhamster89]

I think this is brilliant and sums it all up once again:

Short Cake Slayer wrote...

 The endings; I feel like the entire game was brilliant and completely well crafted, wrapping up stories that my character has been involved in since the first game. 

If the ending is truly an indoctrination hallucination, I'm holding out hope for the real ending in April, and I believe what you've done is absolutely brilliant.  True indoctrination; you guys have really broken the mold once again.

If the ending is actually what you intended the ending to be, I can't even begin to describe my utter dissapointment.  But I would point you to this article, here: 

http://forums.penny-...omment/22477015

I would hope that you can read it in it's entirety, since it's long.  There's also some swearing in it so I won't repost it here as it may be filtered.  But here's a good summation of how I and many others feel from the end of this amazing article:

"That's really where the ending falls down. Everything after seems hollow because it is - there's no reason why she deserves to save the galaxy when she beat the big bad and it didn't matter. The endings don't work because they don't address what people have been told to care about through the entire series - the themes that the writers have been reinforcing, mission after mission. They've been shaping Shepard into what they wanted to be most - a better person, a better lay, maybe only the person willing to be ruthless and stretch the rules where it counts - and it doesn't seem to matter at all. 

The violation isn't of the player's decisions. It's of Shepard's role as the player's ideal hero. It takes the interactivity of the game, perhaps its most unique and evocative feature, and utterly ignores the immense potential to take the romance genre to its most extreme catharsis. Every step to this point has been another drop in the Care Bucket, and it just got set gently to the floor instead of poured out in one big release. (yes this is all sexual) 

So, players take to the internet, tension unrelieved, and vent it against Bioware and Catalyst instead. I was expecting Shepard to end up being the Catalyst, because that would make sense in terms of the tautology of the game - Shepard is the person who is the most necessary to save the galaxy, because we spend the entire trilogy making her that way. It doesn't matter how that's expressed, only that it is. We didn't get that moment. Instead, we get an epilogue talking about 'the Shepard', an abstract concept that doesn't have a lot to do with the "reality" of the game we've played.

She might as well be anyone. And that's the thing that nobody wanted said about their Shepard."

[Thanatos144]

dfdsgrgre wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

maybe my buddy is right and forums are just places where people cry that they didnt get what they believed owned to them......

They actualy do. the made promisies and marketed the product in a certin way. we did not recive a product that matched the disciption. Acording to the LAW the product must mach the discription

Ps I firmly belive you to be an idiot

Um no there is no law about  saying they had to do what your thought they would,,,,,,Thats your own misconception not theirs. You may think I am a idiot all you want. It wont break my hearty I just decided it is time I cut through the BS of the few loud throwing a fit.

[Silrian]

CuseGirl wrote...

I'm sorry, I can't let Bioware off the hook because of the indoctrination theory. DLC or not, when ME-3 was shipped, it should have had an ACTUAL conclusion to story of the Reapers, Commander Shepard, and his friends/allies/acquaintances. Because no matter how you slice this debable, Bioware shipped an incomplete game.

Now THIS is where we as fans I think have a valid complaint. This is not a problem of art, but of providing what was promised. The ending has parts I really like, but that's not even that important. The incompleteness is clearly there and this demands an explanation at some point.

[ipyulguar]

 I think that I just want to say thank you for listening to Mass Effect fans, mass effect is simply THE best game EVER (in my opinion anyway) and I just wanted to say that. 

I don't know about my fave part, there are just SO many!
I loved the scene with Liaras time capsual thing, and the part with the shroud for the genophage! --- When it was cured I got very emotional  

Thank You BioWare!!!!!