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[operageek]

I’ve taken a lot of time to put together my thoughts on the ending, waiting until I finished a second playthrough and really collected myself. I would like to say that even if nothing is altered in Mass Effect 3, this has been the most fantastic and memorable gaming experience I’ve ever had, and I wouldn’t trade it for the world. But since Bioware has really given me the impression that they value and are seeking out honest and constructive feedback from us fans, I have felt motivated to discuss the issues that I found with the ending. I am hoping it will be useful!

I feel obligated to mention that on my first playthrough, the options weren’t explained in enough detail for me - I wasn’t even completely sure where to go for which option. I stood around for a minute, tried to talk to the child some more, may have attempted to shoot the child in desperation when I wasn’t able to... And when nothing became any clearer I thought, “Well, that light is pretty, I’ll go towards it.” I delight in the decision making of the ME universe - in the past I have gone through two pots of tea and created vast pros and cons lists while doing so. They have inspired me to think about my political philosophy and values. But I made the last decision of the entire series on a whim because I didn’t have enough information to make an educated decision. It seemed like it came out of nowhere, and I was completely bewildered.

More importantly, though, and for the first time in the entire series, I felt my Shepard was being shoehorned into acting in a way that he/she wouldn’t. It’s depressing that a game whose hero inspired me with her independence, determination, and force of will ended the three games by passively, unquestioningly accepting the choices the God Child presents her with. Perhaps it makes sense given how much she has been through by that point in time that she doesn’t have it in her to argue or take a stand, but so much of what God Child says flies in the face of what Shepard believes in.

I wanted her to chew him out for how terrible and nonsensical the “solution” he came up with is, and because of how terrible that solution is, I wanted her to question his new ones too. I want her to not just passively accept “So TIM is right,” when told about the control the reapers option when minutes earlier she was rejecting it so fiercely. I want her to point out how morally suspect it is to rewrite the entire genetic base of all organics and synthetics just because this strange God-Child thinks it’s a good idea - Shepard believes in strength in unity, but also strength in diversity. If he fails to convince her that any of his options are viable, I want to be able to choose to reject them entirely and tell him to go to hell. I would rather have my Shepard remain a consistent and strong character, true to his or her values and defiant of authority, even if that means dooming the galaxy by refusing his terms. Because Shepard is the heart and soul of the Mass Effect experience for us, what most destroys the ME universe for me is not the destruction of relays or deaths, but the Shepard not being Shepard.

Which brings me to my last thought. I love my Shepard an ungodly amount. I have invested so much time, thought, and energy into her. You could ask me anything about Shepard - her favourite book, food, quirks, childhood memories, how she spends her off-time, the romantic vacation she took with Thane before going to Earth for trial - and I can tell you. Having a part in crafting her has made her feel like she is a part of me, and losing her is a very big deal. It’s selfish, but when I am feeling essentially devastated, in the immediate aftermath of her loss, I don’t want to see her best friends looking perfectly happy. I can’t even think about being happy right then! How can they?! I want to go through the grieving process, ideally alongside those who were close to her. I want to know someone other than me is hurting over the loss of this particular, unique Shepard. I need some form of catharsis, something that expresses the loss I am feeling - this is something the music did absolutely magnificently in the final scenes, but wasn’t matched by the visuals or writing. Adding in that cut dialogue with Anderson that has been circling the internet would be a perfect example - in addition to being some of the most amazing voice acting I’ve ever heard, it’s an acknowledgement of the things (family, love) that Shepard has sacrificed. It may be horribly sad, but acknowledging and processing the sadness would go a long way towards helping me heal.

This is all one person's very personal opinion, but I hope this has been helpful.  I have so much love for Bioware games and especially ME 3, and it makes me happy to know you are listening.

[DuncanId]

OzgunRonin wrote...

The only thing that we should be angy about is selling the ending of the game seperatly is not seem right...

As I said before... guys you are angry because the ending didnt make you feel like you are heros... and you are right. Some of you just given these money for feeling like one... The ending is very enjoyable for me to see so much people deceived to sacrife their selves to merged with the cyntetics... which was the original purpose of the reaper from mass effect 1... And they made you give that decision...

Which is really really perfect... The game really try to indocrinate you... Perfect idea any way...

The ending feeling incomplete is one of the main issues. Another one is that all the endings are basically the same.

I prefer happy endings, but I can enjoy a bittersweet one. I had no problems with Red Dead Redemption or Metal Gear Solid 4, but I really don't see the point in forcing a sad ending in a game like Mass Effect. What would be the problem with a happy ending (among other different engins) in this game? The team survived the impossible before. And as I said, in this game you can put all the endings you want.

[Gudmoore]

Thanatos144 wrote...
 Um no there is no law about  saying they had to do what your thought they would,,,,,,Thats your own misconception not theirs. You may think I am a idiot all you want. It wont break my hearty I just decided it is time I cut through the BS of the few loud throwing a fit.

Except this has nothing to do with us being unsatisfied fans and gamers.
This has to do with CONSUMER rights, we spent hard earned money on the
game and/or series. What do you do when you get something at the store
that doesn't have everything included when the box says it does? The
majority of us would take it back and get a replacement. Now this option
doesn't work here, the plethora of endings that was promised wasn't
delivered on; now with a game you can't simply go get a replacement as
they're all built and coded the same way.

So instead we go to the
company, and right now we're trying to get that piece that was said to
be included on the box in the game.

And if you're still unsure to what consumer rights are, look at the information in this link:
www.hg.org/consume.html

[dfdsgrgre]

Thanatos144 wrote...

dfdsgrgre wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

maybe my buddy is right and forums are just places where people cry that they didnt get what they believed owned to them......

They actualy do. the made promisies and marketed the product in a certin way. we did not recive a product that matched the disciption. Acording to the LAW the product must mach the discription

Ps I firmly belive you to be an idiot

Um no there is no law about  saying they had to do what your thought they would,,,,,,Thats your own misconception not theirs. You may think I am a idiot all you want. It wont break my hearty I just decided it is time I cut through the BS of the few loud throwing a fit.

you have just proven your idiocy, its not about what i thought they would do but what they promised 

PS thanks Gudmoore 

Modifié par dfdsgrgre, 23 mars 2012 - 04:41 .

[Thanatos144]

Gudmoore wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

maybe my buddy is right and forums are just places where people cry that they didnt get what they believed owned to them......

Except this has nothing to do with us being unsatisfied fans and gamers. This has to do with CONSUMER rights, we spent hard earned money on the game and/or series. What do you do when you get something at the store that doesn't have everything included when the box says it does? The majority of us would take it back and get a replacement. Now this option doesn't work here, the plethora of endings that was promised wasn't delivered on; now with a game you can't simply go get a replacement as they're all built and coded the same way.

So instead we go to the company, and right now we're trying to get that piece that was said to be included on the box in the game.

If you spend haqrd enerd money on a book or movie and didnt like how it turned out are you deserved your money back??????? No you cant...Hate to te;ll you this but you dont OWN the content of this game. BioWare does and they can use it any way they want whether you like it or not.

[Thanatos144]

Gudmoore wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
 Um no there is no law about  saying they had to do what your thought they would,,,,,,Thats your own misconception not theirs. You may think I am a idiot all you want. It wont break my hearty I just decided it is time I cut through the BS of the few loud throwing a fit.

Except this has nothing to do with us being unsatisfied fans and gamers.
This has to do with CONSUMER rights, we spent hard earned money on the
game and/or series. What do you do when you get something at the store
that doesn't have everything included when the box says it does? The
majority of us would take it back and get a replacement. Now this option
doesn't work here, the plethora of endings that was promised wasn't
delivered on; now with a game you can't simply go get a replacement as
they're all built and coded the same way.

So instead we go to the
company, and right now we're trying to get that piece that was said to
be included on the box in the game.

And if you're still unsure to what consumer rights are, look at the information in this link:
www.hg.org/consume.html

Has nothing to do with this....You dont Own the content of the game.

[Thanatos144]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Gudmoore wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

maybe my buddy is right and forums are just places where people cry that they didnt get what they believed owned to them......

Except this has nothing to do with us being unsatisfied fans and gamers. This has to do with CONSUMER rights, we spent hard earned money on the game and/or series. What do you do when you get something at the store that doesn't have everything included when the box says it does? The majority of us would take it back and get a replacement. Now this option doesn't work here, the plethora of endings that was promised wasn't delivered on; now with a game you can't simply go get a replacement as they're all built and coded the same way.

So instead we go to the company, and right now we're trying to get that piece that was said to be included on the box in the game.

If you spend haqrd enerd money on a book or movie and didnt like how it turned out are you deserved your money back??????? No you cant...Hate to te;ll you this but you dont OWN the content of this game. BioWare does and they can use it any way they want whether you like it or not.

No they said they are working on a certain ending they never said you would get it.

[dfdsgrgre]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Gudmoore wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

maybe my buddy is right and forums are just places where people cry that they didnt get what they believed owned to them......

Except this has nothing to do with us being unsatisfied fans and gamers. This has to do with CONSUMER rights, we spent hard earned money on the game and/or series. What do you do when you get something at the store that doesn't have everything included when the box says it does? The majority of us would take it back and get a replacement. Now this option doesn't work here, the plethora of endings that was promised wasn't delivered on; now with a game you can't simply go get a replacement as they're all built and coded the same way.

So instead we go to the company, and right now we're trying to get that piece that was said to be included on the box in the game.

If you spend haqrd enerd money on a book or movie and didnt like how it turned out are you deserved your money back??????? No you cant...Hate to te;ll you this but you dont OWN the content of this game. BioWare does and they can use it any way they want whether you like it or not.

Yet again you mised the point THEY FALSLY ADVERTISED

[Thanatos144]

dfdsgrgre wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Gudmoore wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

maybe my buddy is right and forums are just places where people cry that they didnt get what they believed owned to them......

Except this has nothing to do with us being unsatisfied fans and gamers. This has to do with CONSUMER rights, we spent hard earned money on the game and/or series. What do you do when you get something at the store that doesn't have everything included when the box says it does? The majority of us would take it back and get a replacement. Now this option doesn't work here, the plethora of endings that was promised wasn't delivered on; now with a game you can't simply go get a replacement as they're all built and coded the same way.

So instead we go to the company, and right now we're trying to get that piece that was said to be included on the box in the game.

If you spend haqrd enerd money on a book or movie and didnt like how it turned out are you deserved your money back??????? No you cant...Hate to te;ll you this but you dont OWN the content of this game. BioWare does and they can use it any way they want whether you like it or not.

Yet again you mised the point THEY FALSLY ADVERTISED

That is your perception.

[dfdsgrgre]

Thanatos144 wrote...

dfdsgrgre wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Gudmoore wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

maybe my buddy is right and forums are just places where people cry that they didnt get what they believed owned to them......

Except this has nothing to do with us being unsatisfied fans and gamers. This has to do with CONSUMER rights, we spent hard earned money on the game and/or series. What do you do when you get something at the store that doesn't have everything included when the box says it does? The majority of us would take it back and get a replacement. Now this option doesn't work here, the plethora of endings that was promised wasn't delivered on; now with a game you can't simply go get a replacement as they're all built and coded the same way.

So instead we go to the company, and right now we're trying to get that piece that was said to be included on the box in the game.

If you spend haqrd enerd money on a book or movie and didnt like how it turned out are you deserved your money back??????? No you cant...Hate to te;ll you this but you dont OWN the content of this game. BioWare does and they can use it any way they want whether you like it or not.

Yet again you mised the point THEY FALSLY ADVERTISED

That is your perception.

No that is a fact

[Stygian1]

I'd like to point out that this thread isn't for arguing, but for constructive feedback in the hopes BioWare rights their ending. Please keep it civil people.

[Thanatos144]

Stygian1 wrote...

I'd like to point out that this thread isn't for arguing, but for constructive feedback in the hopes BioWare rights their ending. Please keep it civil people.

and yet I feel the ending is fine...

[Gudmoore]

Stygian1 wrote...

I'd like to point out that this thread isn't for arguing, but for constructive feedback in the hopes BioWare rights their ending. Please keep it civil people.

But I'm a Krooogan, you know how we are. ;D

[Gudmoore]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Stygian1 wrote...

I'd like to point out that this thread isn't for arguing, but for constructive feedback in the hopes BioWare rights their ending. Please keep it civil people.

and yet I feel the ending is fine...

And you're completely entitled to your own opinion. You're not, however, entitled to spamming that we're wrong and your right.

Modifié par Gudmoore, 23 mars 2012 - 04:50 .

[McSorley]

Stygian1 wrote...

I'd like to point out that this thread isn't for arguing, but for constructive feedback in the hopes BioWare rights their ending. Please keep it civil people.

Well said.  I'm also not sure how serious people will be taken if they continue to murder the English language in such ways as I have seen...

[Sans Changer]

Yeah, I don't care as much about the "consumer rights" argument or what was advertised- partially because I shielded myself from advertisements to keep myself in the dark about as much as I could. And like I've said before, I am not just completely torn over the presented endings, I think there should just be a bit more.

Ambiguity is the refuge of the intimidated... and I don't blame BioWare- they've built up something massive and I know they didn't want to disappoint. But they're above using a cheap tactic like that. I don't need the Reapers explained as much as I need to know my choices matter, and the relationships I cultivated over the course of three games mean something more than a quick chat before everything is gone and over.

[raigns]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Stygian1 wrote...

I'd like to point out that this thread isn't for arguing, but for constructive feedback in the hopes BioWare rights their ending. Please keep it civil people.

and yet I feel the ending is fine...

And while you are entitled to your opinion, we are entitled to ours. I can't quite say that it's very logical to think that your opinion is superior to those who conflict yours when this is simply a feedback thread. Please don't debunk this by argument. We are here to give feedback, not argue with each other on who's idea is best. We are providing our feedback in a rather respectful and civilized manner, we are customers, and we ARE entitled to giving feedback.

[wheeloftime32]

how much is bioware going to charge their user base for closure with the story?  Thank you.

[Sans Changer]

wheeloftime32 wrote...

how much is bioware going to charge their user base for closure with the story?  Thank you.

I don't know amigo, but they've already got my money. The suits are happy even if the artists aren't.

[Sans Changer]

wheeloftime32 wrote...

how much is bioware going to charge their user base for closure with the story?  Thank you.

I don't know amigo, but they've already got my money. The suits are happy even if the artists aren't.

[McSorley]

Sans Changer wrote...

Yeah, I don't care as much about the "consumer rights" argument or what was advertised- partially because I shielded myself from advertisements to keep myself in the dark about as much as I could. And like I've said before, I am not just completely torn over the presented endings, I think there should just be a bit more.

Ambiguity is the refuge of the intimidated... and I don't blame BioWare- they've built up something massive and I know they didn't want to disappoint. But they're above using a cheap tactic like that. I don't need the Reapers explained as much as I need to know my choices matter, and the relationships I cultivated over the course of three games mean something more than a quick chat before everything is gone and over.

I couldn't agree more...  Not to mention the relationships you cultivate don't impact the ending at all.  Tali still seemed to be happy even though she crash landed with Joker (who also seemed happy, even without EDI) and the person who she explicitly called the love of her life was presumably dead.

Modifié par McSorley, 23 mars 2012 - 04:59 .

[Ronin Slayd]

I loved the:
- Turian/Human jokes
- Wrex's take on women

Also really enjoyed:
- Kasumi... (wish more of her were there.
- Tali's more mature and firey personality
- Ashley's new look (rowwwrrrr)
- Edi
- Seeing as many of the ME2 crew as we did
- having the choice of Dr. Chakwas and Dr. Michel
- New weapon sounds and choices
- grenades!


Seriously, have I heard truly?
That some people are filing FCC complaints about the ending?
Worse, some are filing lawsuits????

Really people? It's a game! Get a life!
If you don't like it say so and why then go play something else.

[Ronin Slayd]

McSorley wrote...

Sans Changer wrote...

Yeah, I don't care as much about the "consumer rights" argument or what was advertised- partially because I shielded myself from advertisements to keep myself in the dark about as much as I could. And like I've said before, I am not just completely torn over the presented endings, I think there should just be a bit more.

Ambiguity is the refuge of the intimidated... and I don't blame BioWare- they've built up something massive and I know they didn't want to disappoint. But they're above using a cheap tactic like that. I don't need the Reapers explained as much as I need to know my choices matter, and the relationships I cultivated over the course of three games mean something more than a quick chat before everything is gone and over.

I couldn't agree more...  Not to mention the relationships you cultivate don't impact the ending at all.  Tali still seemed to be happy even though she crash landed with Joker (who also seemed happy, even without EDI) and the person who she explicitly called the love or her life was presumably dead.

I like Yahtzee's take on the ending....
The balloon farting around the room...

Modifié par Ronin Slayd, 23 mars 2012 - 04:59 .

[Gudmoore]

Ronin Slayd wrote...

I loved the:
- Turian/Human jokes
- Wrex's take on women

Also really enjoyed:
- Kasumi... (wish more of her were there.
- Tali's more mature and firey personality
- Ashley's new look (rowwwrrrr)
- Edi
- Seeing as many of the ME2 crew as we did
- having the choice of Dr. Chakwas and Dr. Michel
- New weapon sounds and choices
- grenades!


Seriously, have I heard truly?
That some people are filing FCC complaints about the ending?
Worse, some are filing lawsuits????

Really people? It's a game! Get a life!
If you don't like it say so and why then go play something else.

Grenades aren't new to Mass Effect, you can get them in ME2 if you spec appropriately.

As for the FCC complaint, there's too much hype being made over it. It's a formally filed complaint, this is not a lawsuit. There hasn't even been word if there will be an investigation on the pretense of the complaint.

Modifié par Gudmoore, 23 mars 2012 - 05:06 .

[Sans Changer]

Ronin Slayd wrote...

I loved the:
- Turian/Human jokes
- Wrex's take on women

Also really enjoyed:
- Kasumi... (wish more of her were there.
- Tali's more mature and firey personality
- Ashley's new look (rowwwrrrr)
- Edi
- Seeing as many of the ME2 crew as we did
- having the choice of Dr. Chakwas and Dr. Michel
- New weapon sounds and choices
- grenades!


Seriously, have I heard truly?
That some people are filing FCC complaints about the ending?
Worse, some are filing lawsuits????

Really people? It's a game! Get a life!
If you don't like it say so and why then go play something else.

Yeah, I think most of the writing, the dialogue... it was just awesome. I loved the jokes. I loved seeing the relationships between other characters, etc. Filing a lawsuit over it? I guess the endings just really jerked the hearts out of some people more than me.

It shouldn't be surprising though. This is a synthesis between the things we can feel in movies, the things we can feel with a book, and the things we feel in real life. If someone can commit suicide because they don't have a love life like their favorite movie presented (Titanic and others), or they bemoan the lack of Harry Potter-style magic in the real world... how much worse can they get when the world is interactive?