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[Archonsg]

@hchadw Won't ... Uhhh strike that... Given all the silly things already in the ending why not?

But seriously, Shepard vs Harbinger? Really? Would be more sense for Shepard to fight Harbinger's proxy while that big ass armada you gathered put the beat down on Harbinger. But that's just me, I like my endings to be PLAUSIBLE.

Modifié par Archonsg, 24 mars 2012 - 02:58 .

[ilego]

k177sh0t wrote...

ME3 is incredible from the start all the way up before the ending and  it just went downhill after that

First time I was emotionally attached to  video game characters (Garrus was well written and Liara). Mordin's death and Anderson actually made me shed manly tears. Im serious

It just added some confusion on mine

No epilogue of the surviving galactic species (Turian, Krogan, Asari, Human, Hanar, Volus, Battarian and Drell) and your Normandy crew

What happened to them? What's gonna happen to those who were not on their own planets?

What happened to the inhabitants of the Citadel? Were they evacuated?

What's the origin of the Reapers? Who created them? Organics or Intellectual Synthetics?

http://cdn2.gamefron...3/ME3yodawg.jpg

Choices were extremely limited in the end

I agree

[LT21Titans27]

This is only my second post on the BW forums, I signed up after I got ME3, Ive played since ME1. Logging easily over 30 hours of gameplay in each one.

The series was absolutely brilliant, I have never played a game even remotely close in depth, variety, vastness, etc. I became emotionally attached to the players in this series.

The ending... I cant even begin to understand why this happened, how everything that was created in this trilogy in 5 years, was crushed. I dont need to elaborate, hundreds of thousands of fans already have, this video summarizes it perfectly

I simply dont understand any excuse, any justification for the way the game ended, unless BW is holding something back, which I dont believe.

Alot of people seem crushed, grasping at straws hoping theres a silver lining, but I dont even feel pride in looking at the ME games I have, the collectors editions, nothing. It was like, you built the most beautiful garden of the most colorful, variant, amazing flowers known to exist, and then, you set it on fire.

The best way I can describe my feelings is if you ripped out my heart, kicked me in the junk, punched me in the gut knocking the wind out of me, and then, you threw me off the empire state building.

I know the staff and devs have been taking alot of heat, theyve been under fire, and its disappointing to see so many fans turn sour so quickly after experiencing something truly great in which you guys made, I have great respect for all of the staff, they are obviously great minds. But after all the hype, all the promises, all the "glitter and gift wrap" that seemed to be coming in the perfect package to end what might have been one of the greatest stores ever told in any form of art, I cant help but feel and empty, crushed, sick feeling

I hope that some staff does read my comment and take pride in the fact that they can achieve greatness because they have, but at the same time, not be complacent, sitting on a throne so to speak, knowing they just could not finish developing a beautiful picture. I know there will be changes, or clarification to the ending or whatever, but wow, I cant say Ive ever been more emotionally crushed or embarrassed, Im almost at a loss for words as I try to make sense of it in my head, I wont be sitting back hoping for the ending I feel fans deserve, the justice this series deserves, as from what I have read, all signs point to a reoccurring shortcoming of a satisfying finish in the series, but I know for damn sure Id be lying if I said I didnt want it

[Insane_Ivan]

Hey Bioware,

What the SH*T!?
http://games.ign.com.../1221457p1.html

I am sorry but there are a few very important inaccuracies that a real spokesperson for the Retake movement brought to the light. The original can be found here.
http://www.facebook.com/Demand...

- Robb is not a spokesperson for the Retake movement. He only setup the charity.

- The Campaign for the Retake movement did not begin to wind down. We are as active as ever.

- The Childs Play drive did not "Wind Down" it concluded when it reached the $80,000 goal.

-The Retake Movement is not claiming victory. We will persist until we get an ending worthy of the Mass Effect Series.

My Notes:
- This is a PR maneuver to calm down everyone in the Retake movement to make us vulnerable.

-Please do not have your buddies write inaccurate articles stating we claimed victory and whatnot. We will come out and say we are winding down and that we are victorious when we feel the time is right.

-Do Not Give In!

-Hold The Line! This Fight is not over yet.

-Insane_Ivan

Modifié par Insane_Ivan, 24 mars 2012 - 03:09 .

[Commander_Adept]

I'm thinking that the only issue I really had with it was... No epilogue. I want to know if the Krogan rebelled again with the genophage cured or not. I want to know if Tali was right in thinking that with the Geth's help they won't need suits in a few years.

Honestly the thing that bugged the living crap out of me the most of the game was the fact that the Rachni decision in 1 meant nothing... Just a different conversation. There should be no reason why the Rachni/Ravagers are there in my Renegames

[hchadw]

Archonsg wrote...

@hchadw Won't ... Uhhh strike that... Given all the silly things already in the ending why not?

But seriously, Shepard vs Harbinger? Really? Would be more sense for Shepard to fight Harbinger's proxy while that big ass armada you gathered put the beat down on Harbinger. But that's just me, I like my endings to be PLAUSIBLE.

as if the HuGE human reaper you fight at the end ME2 is Plauseable... your argument is a bird.

not to mention you kill 2 other reapers with orbital strikes while fighting on the ground... or did you forget that part ................. or have you even really finished the game ?


there is no real fight at the end....... the ending us dumb.............. LETS GO TROoPS ... LETS DO LIKE MOTHS AND RUN TWARDS THE BIG RED BEAM..

I like my military personel to perform more plausible

Modifié par hchadw, 24 mars 2012 - 03:13 .

[Alex_Dur4and]

Hilarious... or should I say "Hitlerious"!

It's a very commic way to describe the general feeling of the most hardcore fans. Myself, I was disapointed, not angry. The fact is; I played Mass Effect 2 at least 10 times with a platinum trophy, insanity, 100% perfect paragon ending among others.
After I tried the "various" ending, <_<

I must admit... I feel I've been...   "Trolled!"

NO REPLAY VALUE!!! Will end up gathering dust and would be "easily forgotten" if not for such an incradible journey...

Benchpress610 wrote...

This video has probaly been posted here, but it's worth posting it again. It's hilarious

 

Modifié par Alex_Dur4and, 24 mars 2012 - 03:15 .

[hchadw]

Alex_Dur4and wrote...

Hilarious... or should I say "Hitlerious"!

It's a very commic way to describe the general feeling of the most hardcore fans. Myself, I was disapointed, not angry. The fact is; I played Mass Effect 2 at least 10 times with a platinum trophy, insanity, 100% perfect paragon ending among others.
After I tried the "various" ending, <_<

I must admit... I feel I've been...   "Trolled!"

Benchpress610 wrote...

This video has probaly been posted here, but it's worth posting it again. It's hilarious

 

Shepard Feels Trolled.... Check this out.

Modifié par hchadw, 24 mars 2012 - 03:16 .

[zczachor]

I just really really hope that BioWare make same with Mass Effect 3 as Peter Jackson did with LOTR: The return of the King...
Like they did with last part of Harry Potter, Twilight or another. I mean they splic conclusion to two parts. Because it is so ****ing epic!!!

Modifié par zczachor, 24 mars 2012 - 04:08 .

[Hospitallar]

LT21Titans27 wrote...


I know the staff and devs have been taking alot of heat, theyve been under fire, and its disappointing to see so many fans turn sour so quickly after experiencing something truly great in which you guys made, I have great respect for all of the staff, they are obviously great minds. But after all the hype, all the promises, all the "glitter and gift wrap" that seemed to be coming in the perfect package to end what might have been one of the greatest stores ever told in any form of art, I cant help but feel and empty, crushed, sick feeling

I hope that some staff does read my comment and take pride in the fact that they can achieve greatness because they have, but at the same time, not be complacent, sitting on a throne so to speak, knowing they just could not finish developing a beautiful picture. I know there will be changes, or clarification to the ending or whatever, but wow, I cant say Ive ever been more emotionally crushed or embarrassed, Im almost at a loss for words as I try to make sense of it in my head, I wont be sitting back hoping for the ending I feel fans deserve, the justice this series deserves, as from what I have read, all signs point to a reoccurring shortcoming of a satisfying finish in the series, but I know for damn sure Id be lying if I said I didnt want it

I agree with you lad, to say that ME3 in its entirety is bad is not true. ME3 was great, I was practically riveted to it

And then the ending came...

And lets be honest, I'm sure a lot of the people upset and saying they will never purchase something else from Bioware were in fact dead crazy on getting ME3 before it was released. They may have forgotten that, but that just goes to show just how much of a problem there is with the ending. 

Again, every complaint I have heard about ME3 has everything to do with the last 20-10 minutes of the game. The fans cannot forget the many hours leading up to that ending, but considering just how disillusioned people are BECAUSE of the end, it is probably in Bioware's best interest to come up with a satisfactory response to it. 

[hchadw]

zczachor wrote...

I just really really hope that BioWare make same with Mass Effect 3 as Peter Jackson did with LOTR: The return of the King...

yeah Reture of The Shepard

[Malempo]

Hi,

First let me say that I have been a supporter of Bioware since the earliest days. I want to thank you for the wonderful worlds you created and allowed us to experience.

The Mass Effect serie has been one of the most interesting franchise I've ever played.  I've played ME 1 and 2 on many different characters to experience all that this world had to offer. I even bought a new xbox 360 just to transfer my saves for ME 3 when my xbox died even though I own a PS3 and a gaming PC.

ME 3 delivered on the promise set by the two previous ones. The death of Mordin was one of the best moment of fiction I've ever experienced on any medium. ME 3 is a solid game, it offers the best of both ME 1 and 2. Unfortunately, while I spent hours telling my friends how awesome the two previous one were I cannot bring myself to encourage any of them to play or buy ME 3.

To say that the ending was disappointing would not even start to describe it.  Many people have shared their thoughts about it but I feel compelled to share mine too as a concerned Bioware fan.

-1 : The destruction of the Mass Relays : This is my biggest point of contention with the endings. I cannot reconcile the events of Arrival with this. It also basically destroy the entire galactic civilisation of ME universe by preventing space travel which render meaningless every single action I previously took in ME 1, 2 and 3.

-2 : The Star Child : He makes no sense at all. He is litteraly a Deus Ex Machina that cheapens the entire Reapers mystique. Sovereign, Harbinger, etc.. Simple mindless tools of a rogue AI that decide for no good reason at all to let Sheppard do whatever he wants with the fate of the Galaxy. Sheppard doesn't fight to save the world, he gets in handed to him by a god / child.

-3 : Fate of the Normandy and the crew : I'm still trying to make sense of how Ashley went on the Normandy, the Normandy jumped into a relay and crashed on a jungle planet during the time it took me to get on the Citadel and explode the relays. It doesn't make any sense.

-4 : No closure at all for all my choices : When the Dalatrass asked me to lie about the genophage cure in exchange for the support of her armies I litteraly spent 5 minutes thinking this over. But in the end it was useless to even think about it because there is no closure at all offered over my choices. Think DA . The epilogue gave you a very good picture of the impact of your actions. I was expecting something like that. I got a stargazer and a DLC sales pitch.  I bought every DLC for ME 1, ME 2 and DA .  You don't need a sales pitch when you make good games.

-5 : Harbinger : I hated him even more than Sovereign yet I get no chance to at least have a final talk with the bastard.

-6 : Sheppard Breathing : I didn't get the last breath at the end. I had about 8 000 war readiness at 50%. I have no interest in the multiplayer. Please don't force me to play multiplayer in order to experience the best possible outcome to my story.  

Well, I think it's my first forum post (or at least in the last 2 years). I wanted to let you know my opinion has a dedicated fan. I was very disappointed by DA 2 and I am even more by ME 3 (even thought most of the game was still of superior quality), I preordered both collectors edition for those games. I didn't buy a single piece of DLC for DA 2 post-release, I do not plan to do so for ME 3 unless Bioware adress the current problems with ME 3 ending. It was also the last Bioware game that I will pre-order or buy a collector's edition unless you take the steps to correct the situation and prove me wrong. I know Bioware can deliver products of quality unmatched by other developpers.

Thanks,

[phototed]

When the god child spoke to Shepherd about the battle between the synthetics and organics, namely Geth and the Quarians... I really wished Shepherd shouted out that he/she brokered the peace. Just as s/he did between the krogan and turians....

[hchadw]

Hospitallar wrote...

LT21Titans27 wrote...


I know the staff and devs have been taking alot of heat, theyve been under fire, and its disappointing to see so many fans turn sour so quickly after experiencing something truly great in which you guys made, I have great respect for all of the staff, they are obviously great minds. But after all the hype, all the promises, all the "glitter and gift wrap" that seemed to be coming in the perfect package to end what might have been one of the greatest stores ever told in any form of art, I cant help but feel and empty, crushed, sick feeling

I hope that some staff does read my comment and take pride in the fact that they can achieve greatness because they have, but at the same time, not be complacent, sitting on a throne so to speak, knowing they just could not finish developing a beautiful picture. I know there will be changes, or clarification to the ending or whatever, but wow, I cant say Ive ever been more emotionally crushed or embarrassed, Im almost at a loss for words as I try to make sense of it in my head, I wont be sitting back hoping for the ending I feel fans deserve, the justice this series deserves, as from what I have read, all signs point to a reoccurring shortcoming of a satisfying finish in the series, but I know for damn sure Id be lying if I said I didnt want it

I agree with you lad, to say that ME3 in its entirety is bad is not true. ME3 was great, I was practically riveted to it

And then the ending came...

And lets be honest, I'm sure a lot of the people upset and saying they will never purchase something else from Bioware were in fact dead crazy on getting ME3 before it was released. They may have forgotten that, but that just goes to show just how much of a problem there is with the ending. 

Again, every complaint I have heard about ME3 has everything to do with the last 20-10 minutes of the game. The fans cannot forget the many hours leading up to that ending, but considering just how disillusioned people are BECAUSE of the end, it is probably in Bioware's best interest to come up with a satisfactory response to it. 

I agree ... to me this is a great series..... love it to death..

the 3rd game was Awsome

just that the endings got milfed and multiplayer sux (dont really care didnt get it for that.. there are REAL mutliplayer games out there for that)

other than that great game

[ShadowpwnLord]

LT21Titans27 wrote...

This is only my second post on the BW forums, I signed up after I got ME3, Ive played since ME1. Logging easily 

I hope that some staff does read my comment and take pride in the fact that they can achieve greatness because they have, but at the same time, not be complacent, sitting on a throne so to speak, knowing they just could not finish developing a beautiful picture. I know there will be changes, or clarification to the ending or whatever, but wow, I cant say Ive ever been more emotionally crushed or embarrassed, Im almost at a loss for words as I try to make sense of it in my head, I wont be sitting back hoping for the ending I feel fans deserve, the justice this series deserves, as from what I have read, all signs point to a reoccurring shortcoming of a satisfying finish in the series, but I know for damn sure Id be lying if I said I didnt want it

Yes, yes and yes. Great until the end, please fix it and make it near-perfect or better. That's how we all feel.

[Alex_Dur4and]

Nice work! I've already seen this but some may not have. Good find!

hchadw wrote...

Shepard Feels Trolled.... Check this out.

[hchadw]

Alex_Dur4and wrote...

Nice work! I've already seen this but some may not have. Good find!

hchadw wrote...

Shepard Feels Trolled.... Check this out.

I know i was laughing so hard i was crying...... mostly because i feel the same way shepard does LOL

Seriously Funny as hell.... was my exact response the first time i did the ending......................was like WTF

[Archonsg]

hchadw wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

@hchadw Won't ... Uhhh strike that... Given all the silly things already in the ending why not?

But seriously, Shepard vs Harbinger? Really? Would be more sense for Shepard to fight Harbinger's proxy while that big ass armada you gathered put the beat down on Harbinger. But that's just me, I like my endings to be PLAUSIBLE.

as if the HuGE human reaper you fight at the end ME2 is Plauseable... your argument is a bird.

not to mention you kill 2 other reapers with orbital strikes while fighting on the ground... or did you forget that part ................. or have you even really finished the game ?


there is no real fight at the end....... the ending us dumb.............. LETS GO TROUPS ... LETS DO LIKE MOTHS AND RUN TWARDS THE BIG RED BEAM..

I like my military personel to perform more plausible

Did not say that the game was without its fair share of WTF moments. Read my other post. Space magic can be forgiven, but only so far.

The Reaper lava, btw was incomplete, so, ya, fighting it was plausible. It being there in the first place was a WTF moment. But me2 ended well enough that a little space magic is forgivable.

Out of curiosity, just how would you have Shepard fight Harbinger?

[afarkas1]

So I just realized that making this its own post results in it going to the bottom of the page very fast. I just wanted to speak my mind on what I would do to "fix" the end of mass effect without totally rewriting the end from the ground up, because I think this is a bit more practical.

I'll try to keep this short because I personally hate reading super-long posts. Like many, I loved these games (past tense emphasized) and for reasons better laid out by others, couldn't stand the ending. I think that thing could still be salvaged, however, with just a little bit of nip/tuck at the end. Here's what I would do:

1) Keep the existing endings, for those who actually liked them. But don't make the destroy ending an option presented by the god-child. Rather, the god-child presents the other two options, which Shepard can still choose, but the destroy ending is his idea, as if to say "the hell with your options". Shepard has a total lack of agency in the final scene and this would go a long way towards bringing it back. Shepard can still live or die. Change the readiness rating required for survival so you don't need to play multiplayer or buy something to get there.

2) The crucible still activates as with the existing destroy ending. The mass relays don't immediately explode. They are hit with a "pulse" and "begin to overload" . The survivors of the battle for earth realize that they have a short time (hours?) to use the relays to go home before they are stranded in Sol. If alive, Shepard gets to have a heartfelt goodbye with the alien members of his squad. If your love interest is an alien, you have to option of joining them on their planet. Otherwise, you stay on Earth.

3) The mass relays explode, but the energy is released in a form of radiation that destroys the reapers, and harms no others (I would spare EDI and the Geth, as in my mind, the whole point of this ending is Shepard rejecting the god-child's assertion that synthetics and organics are doomed to destroy one another- which would be undermined if shepard killed them). The allied races of the galaxy vow to attempt to rebuild the mass relay network, but know it will take generations to do so. Once the relays explode, no contact between civilizations is possible.

4) The conversation between the stargazer and the child is re-written. He speaks of the other races of the galaxy, the asari, krogan, turians, etc., and the brief age of interstellar travel as if it were a myth- but one which humanity hopes to reclaim one day.

There. Restores some meaning to the story without making it all sunshine-and-roses. Still won't happen though. Congratulations to Bioware for making a game this many people care about. If the craftsmanship the was applied to the ending as it was to the rest of the trilogy, I think it would have gone down as a beloved classic. I think unfortunately it will end up somewhat less than that.

[Nuime]

I have to say I enjoyed pretty much the entire game. I don't even have rage fueled hatred towards the ending... it just vexes me. 

 But everything leading up to the end... the dialogue between all the characters, seeing my Shepard overcome insane things and come out completely on top but still lose someone important to them along the way (Curing the Genophage and uniting the Geth/Quarians comes to mind instantly) , the simple way Shepard carried herself through the entire thing knowing that it was all a huge longshot but running with it anyway out of pure hope... yeah, that was pretty awesome. Hell, even the walk to the beam where you're mostly dead, limping, bleeding and are still determined to see it through... that was just badass.

Thank you for creating a character I probably won't ever forget!

[Archonsg]

Exploding Relays:
social.bioware.com/13096/blog/211763/


 
One of the reasons why exploding Mass Relays is a bad idea.

[LordRaptor]

http://imgur.com/eMYVd

Explain how you're listening!

[CaptainSW]

Hello,

Before I explain why I was disappointed by the game's ending, I'd like to share the ME3 moment which moved me most. Tuchanka. After having decided not to spoil Wrex's excitement and confidence (Wrex is an old friend whose life I have spared in ME1) by revealing the Salarian sabotage of the Shroud, I find myself explaining it to Mordin in the Tower. Mordin doesn't hesitate one second and takes the elevator to the top to spread the cure for the genophage he worked on creating a few years ago. He has already chosen his path, and nothing is going to stop him; Singing his salarian musical (as heard in Normandy's lab in ME2) for courage, he ignores the explosions around him and ensures the success of what he sees as his duty. A couple of weeks later I find myself on the Normandy looking at his name among the list of casualties.

This is a typical example of the games highly emotional atmoshpere and great attention to detail. The player recognises characters he has come to know in the course of the story are true to themselves, and his choices are shaping the events that unfold. Little details make the experience more immersive and help you confirm that you have made the "right" choice.

How disappointing then that at the game's conclusion, which in reality is the conclusion of 3 whole games with a combined duration of approximately 100 hours of play, does not even deliver the most basic elements that it should. After having designed a universe with that much detail, built and shaped characters, relationships and stories which fit perfectly in this world, why not spend just a little more time showing the player what he has accomplished?
[I have played with a character imported from ME1 and ME2 and had more than 5,000 points of Effective military strength at the end. I have tried all 3 choices which were offered to me].
This is what I think the ending of such a great story should provide:
1) Independently of whether Shepard survives or not, the story is shaped mostly by all the small and big choices the player has made during the games, and by how its characters have evolved. The player in the end wants to be shown the "state of the Galaxy"with a little summary of each race's situation, affected of course by the player's past choices. A short slideshow (doesn't even have to be animated) with a narrator describing what became of the various worlds (I think of "Arcanum" from Troika Games) and leaders would do. Finally destroying the reapers and only seeing a couple of soldiers on earth raise their arms is a bit short.
2) Shepard's crew has become like a family. Whether Shepard dies or returns to them, we would like to see or hear about the crew members again. This could easily be included in the narrative describing the state of the galaxy.
3) The end credits should be improved. Why not use some of the art you have created for the game, and show a picture of each character along with the actor's name? (cf. The Lord of the Rings, the Return of the King - end credits)
4) The choices at the end seem reasonable (destroying the Reapers, or attempting to control them. The third choice "synthesis" seems out of place in the context, but hey, why not if it's only optional). These choices do not necessarily have to lead to the death of all the crew and the destruction of the Normandy, especially if afterwards the player can return and play "bonus" missions from new DLCs etc. I found the ending of ME2 very gratifying because you could still download DLCs and play missions without compromising the storyline. Surely, it wouldn't be too difficult to update each character's dialog line to say something about the past main events, and subsequent DLC missions needn't be in conflict with the storyline after victory over the reapers.
All in all, I would like to thank all the development team for putting so much detail and life into these games, and I think most fans would really appreciate it if you "fixed" the trilogy's ending. This need not be an expensive process, and it would wrap the whole Mass Effect package into something you could then truly call a Masterpiece (by the way, it would really demonstrate how important the gamer's community is and can only mean increased popularity for BioWare and its products in the long term. Maybe even set the benchmark for customer satisfaction one step higher in the game's industry).

[crimzontearz]

wow...oh yeah you are listening


NOT

[SkullStrife]

Keep posting comrades! our demands are being listened =D

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