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Hello Bioware. My name is GasmaskAvenger and i'm both a lurker of the forums and a long time Mass Effect fan.
To be honest, 98% of the game is perfect but the other 2% mainly deals with the out of place ending and the fairly questionable decision with Tali's face.
Disregarding the latter, I will simply focus on the former. I, like many other folks, don't exactly think the last act is completely damnable. It's just the last 10 minutes of the act where it disconnects with the rest of the series and attempts to emulate Neon Genesis Evangelion, but in my eyes it's not very successfully.
Despite a PR guy saying you won't change the ending, I hope you disregard that and try your hardest to make "something" that actually does justice to the otherwise incredible franchise you've made. Perhaps taking cues from the Indoctrination theory and simply ignoring the god child while Shepard pulls off her heroics and stops the reapers in a cohesive, logical conclusion that does not resort to galaxy wide genocide with the mass relays exploding (as indicated in the Arrival DLC), does not have EDI and the Geth die because of some silly "all must be punished for one's inane actions" and has a sense of closure. OK, Shepard doesn't need to live depending on what choices you make but please. As a plea from a longtimer, I don't want to be left cold with an ending that comes off as a surrogate arm that the body rejects in a graft operation.
Sorry to put it that way, but IMO that's basically how I feel. Not trying to come off as one of the babbling lunatics with death threats but rather a polite fan who knows the ending is flawed and can be greatly reworked to better suit the series.
On the Mass Effect 3 endings. Yes, we are listening.
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 04:02
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can kinda see where you guys are coming from but i just beat the game twice and took different paths one paragon one renegade and 2 different end choices and they were both 90 the same. not to mention the countless little details that are baffling to say the least. mass effect is epic and my favorite game series to date , im not asking for a hollywood ending but atleast one that makes sense. the last 10 mins just seem to cheapen the whole trilogy.
#10028
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 04:05
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the scene with garrus at the top of the citadel was epic
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 04:07
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loved it toopnathan281 wrote...
the scene with garrus at the top of the citadel was epic
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 04:10
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Like many I've been with the Mass Effect series from the start...ME 3 is certainly a good game but the ending(s) were a real disappointment......Like some synthesized Stanley Kubrick space odyssey with way too little time or history invested in the cut scenes or the type of ending it was.It felt hollow....the opposite of emotionally satisfying.I wasn't really expecting Shepard to live but was really hoping for something akin to the ending of the original Mass Effect.More like showing the aftermath,a funeral,a memorial,a galaxy of races united picking up the pieces basically some real sign of hope that what Shepard and his crew had accomplished (what "We" accomplished) was not in vain..........The ending(s) as it stands is more of a surrealistic techno-babble I don't buy these indoctrination theories.People who have been touched by the remarkable Universe of the Mass Effect series and its characters deserve a lot more...........This is not a MOVIE it is an "INTERACTIVE" Game ------ WE THE GAMERS ---------------------
WE ARE SHEPARD,WE ARE THE CITADEL,WE ARE THE CREW and WE have invested as much Time and Love for THIS UNIVERSE as any Creator be it Synthetic,Alien or Human.
CAN YOUHEAR US???...repeat please ACKNOWLEDGE............
WE ARE SHEPARD,WE ARE THE CITADEL,WE ARE THE CREW and WE have invested as much Time and Love for THIS UNIVERSE as any Creator be it Synthetic,Alien or Human.
CAN YOUHEAR US???...repeat please ACKNOWLEDGE............
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#10031
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 04:14
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Wow, Great Game. My favorite part was all of it, including the end which was better then I expected, having heard the complaints before I finished. It was not the best I had hoped for but man it was good. I can say compared to KOTOR 2, this ending ROCKED!!!!
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 04:30
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the more I think about the state of the galaxy, the more i realize just how horribly off it is after crucible fires. even if the exploding relays somehow do not destroy the systems they are located in - whatever galactic unity we have achieved? is gone. if you have Krogan stuck on earth, you know those very same Krogan that have to be sedated while being transported, becasue they get claustrophobic and start destroying everything and everyone around them? yeah.... Quarians and Turians would have to figure out real quick how to share food, and hope to god enough life-ships were re-purposed and joined the fleets on earth to be able to scramble something fast. Earth is a pretty small planted and is pretty devastated.. how do you feed all these people? the crew that landed on a garden planet? will either die off or attempt to populate it... all, what 30 of them? poor Sam and Steve.. are going to play their part... whether they like it? or not. and hopefully Normandy's systems are still working well enough to keep making some food for Tali and Garrus... unless of course its a dextro world, in which case - humans are going to figure it out for themselves... somehow...
even if green magic works and that's what you chose? (and btw, that means Joker will have to figure out how to have sex with female crewmen after all, sorry EDI, going to have to share your lover or watch humans die out) wars will not stop. in less then 500 years I can count at least 3 wars that were purely organic based. and only one, relatively short one (Morning war) between organics and synthetics.
becoming half synthetic will not remove the tendency of organics to fight for resources.. something that will be especially bad in Sol system (which probably end up being new Tuchanka). unless of course it somehow brainwashes them into becoming different people? in which case... holy hell Shepard, nice going there. and I'm still trying to figure out how that would work, since the only way we have seen so far to build something synthetic out of organic material? was the way reapers are built... through liquifying organics into a reaper building smoothie. did everyone get liquified and then built back up? though brainwashing would explain why people's LI's are so very content when stepping onto that jungle planet.
it will take several millenia before galaxy will start to recover and most likely it will belong to races that weren't spacefairing at the time reapers attacked... and in case of control or merge ending, you cannot even guarantee that they won't return with a new purpose. since you know, reapers are only gone for good with destroy ending. so all but one endings don't even guaranteed that the cycles won't continue in a future.
as Mordin would say... implications, unpleasant.
even if green magic works and that's what you chose? (and btw, that means Joker will have to figure out how to have sex with female crewmen after all, sorry EDI, going to have to share your lover or watch humans die out) wars will not stop. in less then 500 years I can count at least 3 wars that were purely organic based. and only one, relatively short one (Morning war) between organics and synthetics.
becoming half synthetic will not remove the tendency of organics to fight for resources.. something that will be especially bad in Sol system (which probably end up being new Tuchanka). unless of course it somehow brainwashes them into becoming different people? in which case... holy hell Shepard, nice going there. and I'm still trying to figure out how that would work, since the only way we have seen so far to build something synthetic out of organic material? was the way reapers are built... through liquifying organics into a reaper building smoothie. did everyone get liquified and then built back up? though brainwashing would explain why people's LI's are so very content when stepping onto that jungle planet.
it will take several millenia before galaxy will start to recover and most likely it will belong to races that weren't spacefairing at the time reapers attacked... and in case of control or merge ending, you cannot even guarantee that they won't return with a new purpose. since you know, reapers are only gone for good with destroy ending. so all but one endings don't even guaranteed that the cycles won't continue in a future.
as Mordin would say... implications, unpleasant.
#10033
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 04:31
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" In all honesty, artistic integrity requires the ending be re-written. The ending isn't bad because it is sad, it is bad because it makes all the side stories a waste and makes the wonders of the ME universe vanish. Based on the foundation set in ME1, this ending leaves all the fleets of all the races and side characters trapped on or around Earth. To state otherwise is to insult our intelligence. This ending deserves an F. If games are truly an art form , then the stories must meet the requirements of literary art, continuity. Mass Effect met this until it's ending. Show some dignity and admit this was poorly written. Don't pawn this off as an artistic ending the uncultured fans just don't understand. Bioware Your Emperor has no clothes."
#10034
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 04:48
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The amazing fantasy author Brent Weeks just let of a flurry of tweets expressing his disappointment with the game. He's the guy that wrote the Night Angel books and just recently put out the *amazing* Black Prism.
/twitter.com/#!/brentweeks
It's really nice to see a professional who feels just as let down as we do about the ending. It reassures me that I haven't lost perspective and become the "entitled fanboy" stereotype as gaming-journalism sites like IGN are so keen to assume.
I mean -- who do you trust re: quality storytelling -- guys like New York Times bestselling authors -- or gaming journalists who trade on their ability to get advanced access to content and invites to the hotel suite parties? I trust the professional storyteller, personally.
Seriously -- check this guy's books out: awesome character development, which is what we love about Mass Effect, right?
:wizard:
/twitter.com/#!/brentweeks
It's really nice to see a professional who feels just as let down as we do about the ending. It reassures me that I haven't lost perspective and become the "entitled fanboy" stereotype as gaming-journalism sites like IGN are so keen to assume.
I mean -- who do you trust re: quality storytelling -- guys like New York Times bestselling authors -- or gaming journalists who trade on their ability to get advanced access to content and invites to the hotel suite parties? I trust the professional storyteller, personally.
Seriously -- check this guy's books out: awesome character development, which is what we love about Mass Effect, right?
:wizard:
#10035
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 04:56
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Hi Bioware,
So far I have been keeping relatively keeping quiet and just joining some polls and just chipping in a little. Want to start off to say this is one of the best games I have ever played , and if Casey's ultimate aim is to make a totally unforgettable game, you guys have nailed it. My favourite part in the game is actually the dialogues.
Mass Effect have come a long way from the rather deadpan conversations from ME1 to become the VOs that all dripping with such intense goody emotions. Such as the final goodbyes had literally gave me goosebumps. The few words that exchanged between my female Shepard and LI Kaidan is absolutely tear-jerking when he simply said, "I just can't lose you again."
Which leads to the next point. I believe I don't need to tell you how I feel about the ending. I worked in a game shop so I have a lot of aftermath discussions with all those customers that queue to buy this game on the first day it came out. The first thing they comment on is always the ending. They did not talk about the amazing smooth gameplay or the amazing dialogues in between missions. They think those are great but the main issue is still the ending. They felt betrayed and couldn't believe Bioware would just 'ruin the game' in the last 15 minutes.
For myself, I just find it really disappointing how 1 ending (I'm sorry, it's not even 3 or 16), can make all your customers to forget how amazing this game is. Those people did not join the retake movement, did not donate in Child's play or rapidly hunt the news for hope of a better ending. They were simply disgruntled customers who just waved it as 'bad customer service' and continue on. But given the record of DA2 and ME, they all gave me a resounding same message; they simple won't get any Bioware games off the first day. They will wait for more gamer reviews, 2nd hand copies and won't get extra limited edition stuff. They have bumped down Bioware's games on their must-get list.
One customer even said,"Bioware has slowly changed to be like SquareEnix. Too caught up in the heat and forgot the most important people in this industry. The main audience." It doesn't matter whether 76+ game critics said this is a good game, gamers nowadays are smart enough not to believe them and take those with a pinch of salt. What they really do read are the general consesus' opinion on the game, and as you know it, word of mouth. They will believe their friends more than a big shot in IGN. This is a potential marketing thing you simple cannot overlook.
I'm really happy to hear that you folks are making an effort and announcing that extra content is coming up. I think our message was clear as day, that the ending needs altering. But the next thing is change to what? I doubt there is a very clear consensus on what needs to be changed/altered/improved on. Personally, I feel regardless of whether you want to change the whole ending (indoctrination theory is a good way to force restart the ending) or keep it and explain it further, I'm fine. The main beef of my issue with the ending is it makes no sense.
Even if Shepard have to sacrifice herself, Mass Relays being destroyed in the process, I need an explanation on the Normandy, the crew and the aftermath of this galactic sacrifice on technology. Will the various races survive? How? Their CO just died, how can the crew be smiling? Even if the cutscene was to protray 'hope', we need immediate response on how they got to where they were in the first place and why would they abandon their CO.
Part of me wish to have an option for a 'rainbows and ponies' ending too. It need not be canon, but given the amazing performance from Jennifer Hale, I really do hope my female Shepard can get a break and enjoy the fruits of her labour. She has given her all, beaten all the odds, united the Krogan and Turians, doing the impossible feat of slowly changing the 'racism' mindset of the Quarians with regards to the Geth... She really deserve a fitting ending with her LI and a martini or two. And the few seconds breathing under the rubble simply doesn't cut it; it becomes an insult to the dialogues, to how you guys have managed to make all these characters so memorable.
If Bioware folks are reading, thanks for reading. Me and my husband still believe this is a big bad April Fool's joke and hope you guys are just trolls pulling our leg. After all, what better publicity than bad ones? But if you are not, okay, your forums are littered with plenty of ideas on how to do it.
So far I have been keeping relatively keeping quiet and just joining some polls and just chipping in a little. Want to start off to say this is one of the best games I have ever played , and if Casey's ultimate aim is to make a totally unforgettable game, you guys have nailed it. My favourite part in the game is actually the dialogues.
Mass Effect have come a long way from the rather deadpan conversations from ME1 to become the VOs that all dripping with such intense goody emotions. Such as the final goodbyes had literally gave me goosebumps. The few words that exchanged between my female Shepard and LI Kaidan is absolutely tear-jerking when he simply said, "I just can't lose you again."
Which leads to the next point. I believe I don't need to tell you how I feel about the ending. I worked in a game shop so I have a lot of aftermath discussions with all those customers that queue to buy this game on the first day it came out. The first thing they comment on is always the ending. They did not talk about the amazing smooth gameplay or the amazing dialogues in between missions. They think those are great but the main issue is still the ending. They felt betrayed and couldn't believe Bioware would just 'ruin the game' in the last 15 minutes.
For myself, I just find it really disappointing how 1 ending (I'm sorry, it's not even 3 or 16), can make all your customers to forget how amazing this game is. Those people did not join the retake movement, did not donate in Child's play or rapidly hunt the news for hope of a better ending. They were simply disgruntled customers who just waved it as 'bad customer service' and continue on. But given the record of DA2 and ME, they all gave me a resounding same message; they simple won't get any Bioware games off the first day. They will wait for more gamer reviews, 2nd hand copies and won't get extra limited edition stuff. They have bumped down Bioware's games on their must-get list.
One customer even said,"Bioware has slowly changed to be like SquareEnix. Too caught up in the heat and forgot the most important people in this industry. The main audience." It doesn't matter whether 76+ game critics said this is a good game, gamers nowadays are smart enough not to believe them and take those with a pinch of salt. What they really do read are the general consesus' opinion on the game, and as you know it, word of mouth. They will believe their friends more than a big shot in IGN. This is a potential marketing thing you simple cannot overlook.
I'm really happy to hear that you folks are making an effort and announcing that extra content is coming up. I think our message was clear as day, that the ending needs altering. But the next thing is change to what? I doubt there is a very clear consensus on what needs to be changed/altered/improved on. Personally, I feel regardless of whether you want to change the whole ending (indoctrination theory is a good way to force restart the ending) or keep it and explain it further, I'm fine. The main beef of my issue with the ending is it makes no sense.
Even if Shepard have to sacrifice herself, Mass Relays being destroyed in the process, I need an explanation on the Normandy, the crew and the aftermath of this galactic sacrifice on technology. Will the various races survive? How? Their CO just died, how can the crew be smiling? Even if the cutscene was to protray 'hope', we need immediate response on how they got to where they were in the first place and why would they abandon their CO.
Part of me wish to have an option for a 'rainbows and ponies' ending too. It need not be canon, but given the amazing performance from Jennifer Hale, I really do hope my female Shepard can get a break and enjoy the fruits of her labour. She has given her all, beaten all the odds, united the Krogan and Turians, doing the impossible feat of slowly changing the 'racism' mindset of the Quarians with regards to the Geth... She really deserve a fitting ending with her LI and a martini or two. And the few seconds breathing under the rubble simply doesn't cut it; it becomes an insult to the dialogues, to how you guys have managed to make all these characters so memorable.
If Bioware folks are reading, thanks for reading. Me and my husband still believe this is a big bad April Fool's joke and hope you guys are just trolls pulling our leg. After all, what better publicity than bad ones? But if you are not, okay, your forums are littered with plenty of ideas on how to do it.
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#10036
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 04:57
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for what its worth. My only complaint is that you have forced mulitplayer on us. I hate multiplayer and if i wanted it would play an mmo or cod.
There I said it.
There I said it.
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 05:06
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#10038
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 05:07
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All I want to do is get married to liara and my blue children like I offered. Just give the public what they want. You'll have money in your pockets and we can continue with our lives.
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 05:07
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I think it's simple. People here LOVE Mass Effect, and they're just trying to prevent 10 min of gameplay destroying +100 hours of a fantastic experience. If it wasn't anything short of fantastic, nobody would be here.
That said, I think if they decide to not change the ending, they will lose a lot of loyal consumers, including myself.Sure they will still make profit (and I think this will be one of the most profitable games for them, because of the MP), but a part of their core fans will lose faith in their integrity.
I don't now if I speak for a majority here, I just suspect so. I'm a person in my late twenties, with a job and real life issues. Never was a hardcore gamer, and my gaming days passed since I went to college.Mass Effect was like an interactive movie for me, about my personal choices in the game affecting the outcome of itself. In the last ten minutes of the movie/game, they altered this core aspect with a personal story from somebody else ( I suspect one of the writers who was not reviewed by his/her peers), after advertising that all my choices mattered and I would have vast variety of endings because of this choices.
If they don't change the endings and give us what they promised, I will never pre-purchase any product from them anymore, nor buy dlcs. Why bother, when I can wait one-two years and play the whole content almost free of charge? And this is a moderate tone. If they say something about endings "clarification" and not changing for what they repeatedly promised, it's just a rip-off, and I will never buy anything from them. If it was any other industry, they would be sued for false advertising.
That said, I think if they decide to not change the ending, they will lose a lot of loyal consumers, including myself.Sure they will still make profit (and I think this will be one of the most profitable games for them, because of the MP), but a part of their core fans will lose faith in their integrity.
I don't now if I speak for a majority here, I just suspect so. I'm a person in my late twenties, with a job and real life issues. Never was a hardcore gamer, and my gaming days passed since I went to college.Mass Effect was like an interactive movie for me, about my personal choices in the game affecting the outcome of itself. In the last ten minutes of the movie/game, they altered this core aspect with a personal story from somebody else ( I suspect one of the writers who was not reviewed by his/her peers), after advertising that all my choices mattered and I would have vast variety of endings because of this choices.
If they don't change the endings and give us what they promised, I will never pre-purchase any product from them anymore, nor buy dlcs. Why bother, when I can wait one-two years and play the whole content almost free of charge? And this is a moderate tone. If they say something about endings "clarification" and not changing for what they repeatedly promised, it's just a rip-off, and I will never buy anything from them. If it was any other industry, they would be sued for false advertising.
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#10040
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 05:13
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im on my femshep play now and just finished Thessia with Javik and it really is best with him on that mission he adds a lot
Then i find myself recalling the end of the game and just quit to watch TV.
It's depressing how this game was / is so great to have it thrown into the shi$$er and flushed at the end
Then i find myself recalling the end of the game and just quit to watch TV.
It's depressing how this game was / is so great to have it thrown into the shi$$er and flushed at the end
#10041
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 05:45
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MikesIonU wrote...
Wow, Great Game. My favorite part was all of it, including the end which was better then I expected, having heard the complaints before I finished. It was not the best I had hoped for but man it was good. I can say compared to KOTOR 2, this ending ROCKED!!!!
KOTOR2 was not from BioWare.......
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 05:57
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best Shepard moment is the end run from ME2! after watching my squad die/or not die and seeing how my decions effected the game in that huge way only to see Shepard running for his life and making the big JUMP!!! aaaahhhh so awesome!
#10043
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:07
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I'm a sucker for a good romance, and I was pleasantly surprised with the choice to romance Kaidan as male Shepard! The last conversation you have with him before the final push was my favourite part of the ending! "I'll be waiting for you, and you had better show up". You really know how to make a grown man tear up Bioware!
I'm happy with the endings, but I just wish I had the option for Shep to see Kaidan again!!
I'm happy with the endings, but I just wish I had the option for Shep to see Kaidan again!!
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:09
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GasmaskAvenger wrote...
loved it toopnathan281 wrote...
the scene with garrus at the top of the citadel was epic
One of the best scenes ever...
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:12
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sparrow8891 wrote...
best Shepard moment is the end run from ME2! after watching my squad die/or not die and seeing how my decions effected the game in that huge way only to see Shepard running for his life and making the big JUMP!!! aaaahhhh so awesome!
I agree completely, those were the days when BW tied in player choices with the endings..seems like a lifetime ago
#10046
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:14
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Funny how all the great actors like John Noble and Joshua Jackson state in Fringe that nobody likes to get shaft with cliffhanger who invested time into the story for a long time.
http://www.huffingto..._n_1375019.html
"So I think they've figured out a way to extend the story, but I think the idea is to finish off this story this year, so that if it does have to be the end that it'll be a satisfactory ending. The thrust for everybody is to make it a satisfactory ending -- nobody wants to end the story with a cliffhanger and then shaft all the people who've given us four years of intense viewership right here at the end."
...and compare to what Bioware has said..... Sorry, you just don't have any art integrity to protect. It's already destroyed lol
http://www.huffingto..._n_1375019.html
"So I think they've figured out a way to extend the story, but I think the idea is to finish off this story this year, so that if it does have to be the end that it'll be a satisfactory ending. The thrust for everybody is to make it a satisfactory ending -- nobody wants to end the story with a cliffhanger and then shaft all the people who've given us four years of intense viewership right here at the end."
...and compare to what Bioware has said..... Sorry, you just don't have any art integrity to protect. It's already destroyed lol
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#10047
Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:17
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Bioware you should make a happy ending but make it really sappy and stupid just so I can not have to hear them complain about it anymore......Oh heck no....i cant buy it. Make different endings if you want but what you need to do is just better explain for the slow why the ending is like this.
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:27
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Thanatos144 wrote...
Bioware you should make a happy ending but make it really sappy and stupid just so I can not have to hear them complain about it anymore......Oh heck no....i cant buy it. Make different endings if you want but what you need to do is just better explain for the slow why the ending is like this.
Sure if we get a few happy endings possibilities. You do realize that ME series has always been about paradox outcomes since the first one? I guess not.
Beside, when did the quote from a very high class actors like John Noble ever said that "Fringe" has to end in a happy ending?
If you can read basic English at least, he said specifically that the endings should be well made enough so that the viewers who put so much time and effort invested in the story will be satisfied for supporting the series....unlike Bioware/EA and low standard you of course.
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:29
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Posté 24 mars 2012 - 06:29
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All three of the choices at the end are just terrible. Given the chance, I wouldn't wish to pick any of them. I get that it's not meant to be an easy decision, but given they all result in largely the same outcome I feel like something is missing.
The Destroy ending would be the most consistent with Shepard's motivations - you've spent three games trying to get rid of them, after all - but giving up the Geth you've worked so hard to save, just after you've proved that for a short time, at least, can work with and enhance the lives of their creators - is a little painful. I would assume that the loss of VIs and AIs all through the galaxy would cripple entire economies as they struggle to pick up the shortfall.
The Control ending is incredibly inconsistent with Shepard's journey thus far - for at least two games you've been trying to convince TIM that you can't control the Reapers because they are a mammoth, incomprehensible threat - it seems bizarre to suddenly be told "oh, wait, never mind, actually you can control them after all, go ahead". With this option in particular, it seems to leave everything up in the air - what on earth are they going to do now they're controllable? How will Shepard be controlling them? Are they just going to hang out in the Sol system forever (along with the rest of the galaxy's fighting forces)? Or travel back to dark space incredibly slowly?
The Synthesis ending is presented as the "best" choice, which I also think is inconsistent, although I guess the Catalyst could be pitching it so hard because he would prefer it. To force everything in an entire solar system to become part synthetic and part organic is horribly invasive. It seems to detract from themes of individualism that keeps getting brought up - you're essentially homogenizing everyone for the sake of tranquility - honestly, it seems analogous to lobotomizing people so they won't cause trouble.
To be given so much hope throughout each game that 'maybe you could defeat the Reapers after all!' and then be confronted with this choice at the end, which occurs no matter how well you did or how much effort you put into your war assets - brokering peace agreements, settling centuries-old grudges; uniting EVERYONE to come together to defeat this huge threat - it just seems to come out of nowhere.
I really enjoyed this game, and the two before it, but this ending just casts a pall over the whole experience. I mean, like clearly I'm taking this too seriously, because I am actually more than disappointed over this; I'm hurt. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way, and I know I'm probably just being a huge baby about it, but I just feel like none of the decisions I've ever made in the game matters.
I've always felt that the Mass Effect series is essentially a cheesy sci-fi movie (and I know I am also not alone in this perception), and that ending would just be so out of place in one of these movies that it makes my brain hurt a little bit just considering it. Shepard dying (or not) isn't the issue. I can accept that sacrifice as a theme has its place in the Mass Effect universe. But the sheer scope of the destruction of everything you've built up in the series this far - no more Citadel; no more Thessia; Earth largely destroyed; no more relays - leaving everyone stranded light-years away from their homes without enough fuel or supplies - it literally seems like defeating the Reapers has cost everyone everything. Even though the Reapers are no longer a threat, there is no hope left for any race, eg the only Quarians that will ever see Rannoch again, despite how hard they fought for it, are those left on the liveships. The entirety of galactic civilisation is lost without the relays.
Honestly, I think it would be better for the galaxy as a whole if the Reapers had been successful. It's been made a reoccurring point made in the games that the relays resulted in beneficial information-sharing for every civilisation that found one - advancing their technology and knowledge and resulting in all kinds of benefits.
Without the relays, which are destroyed in each ending, this can never happen again. There can be no such thing in any of the characters' lifetimes. Maybe in a few tens-of--thousands (possibly less if you cannabalise all the fighting ships' eezo cores?) of years a civilisation will be able to re-create a mass effect relay. But, it will still take an insanely long time to get anywhere to create another relay and link them up. There is no possibility that anyone left trapped in the Sol system will ever see anyone that wasn't there ever again.
At least if the Reapers had won, the infrastructure for galactic collaboration would still be intact. I believe the relays are an incredible loss and everyone is probably worse off because of it.
Okay, I liked a lot of this game. Here is why:
- I loved how much talking there was. I am a sucker for dialogue.
- I really enjoyed how we got to see so many of the old characters from the first two games.
- I liked how some of the scanning worked - it would have been great to have actual playable mini-missions for picking up artifacts or rescuing war asset teams though. And I did end up a lot of the time spamming the scan button as I fly merrily around a system as the Reapers chased me and then ducking out at the last moment.
- There have been some amazing improvements to combat since the first game. Fighting was really fun.
- I kind of love Khalisa Al-Jilani so the paragon interrupt WAS SO GREAT
- The romances were a lot less sexual-harassment than the first two and were kind of adorable.
I think the reason people are so upset about this (probably my biggest reason, anyway) is that BioWare makes games that are so incredibly rare. They're funny and exciting and interesting and complex and actually have made me think about what morals I actually have when making decisions. They are amazing. No one else makes games like this, and - I really don't want to be disrespectful here - if the games BioWare makes aren't quite to the standard we are accustomed to, no one else is going to make them.
You have set the bar very high for yourselves.
Also I suspect EA pushes you really hard to keep to very strict release dates. WE DON'T MIND WAITING OKAY
The Destroy ending would be the most consistent with Shepard's motivations - you've spent three games trying to get rid of them, after all - but giving up the Geth you've worked so hard to save, just after you've proved that for a short time, at least, can work with and enhance the lives of their creators - is a little painful. I would assume that the loss of VIs and AIs all through the galaxy would cripple entire economies as they struggle to pick up the shortfall.
The Control ending is incredibly inconsistent with Shepard's journey thus far - for at least two games you've been trying to convince TIM that you can't control the Reapers because they are a mammoth, incomprehensible threat - it seems bizarre to suddenly be told "oh, wait, never mind, actually you can control them after all, go ahead". With this option in particular, it seems to leave everything up in the air - what on earth are they going to do now they're controllable? How will Shepard be controlling them? Are they just going to hang out in the Sol system forever (along with the rest of the galaxy's fighting forces)? Or travel back to dark space incredibly slowly?
The Synthesis ending is presented as the "best" choice, which I also think is inconsistent, although I guess the Catalyst could be pitching it so hard because he would prefer it. To force everything in an entire solar system to become part synthetic and part organic is horribly invasive. It seems to detract from themes of individualism that keeps getting brought up - you're essentially homogenizing everyone for the sake of tranquility - honestly, it seems analogous to lobotomizing people so they won't cause trouble.
To be given so much hope throughout each game that 'maybe you could defeat the Reapers after all!' and then be confronted with this choice at the end, which occurs no matter how well you did or how much effort you put into your war assets - brokering peace agreements, settling centuries-old grudges; uniting EVERYONE to come together to defeat this huge threat - it just seems to come out of nowhere.
I really enjoyed this game, and the two before it, but this ending just casts a pall over the whole experience. I mean, like clearly I'm taking this too seriously, because I am actually more than disappointed over this; I'm hurt. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way, and I know I'm probably just being a huge baby about it, but I just feel like none of the decisions I've ever made in the game matters.
I've always felt that the Mass Effect series is essentially a cheesy sci-fi movie (and I know I am also not alone in this perception), and that ending would just be so out of place in one of these movies that it makes my brain hurt a little bit just considering it. Shepard dying (or not) isn't the issue. I can accept that sacrifice as a theme has its place in the Mass Effect universe. But the sheer scope of the destruction of everything you've built up in the series this far - no more Citadel; no more Thessia; Earth largely destroyed; no more relays - leaving everyone stranded light-years away from their homes without enough fuel or supplies - it literally seems like defeating the Reapers has cost everyone everything. Even though the Reapers are no longer a threat, there is no hope left for any race, eg the only Quarians that will ever see Rannoch again, despite how hard they fought for it, are those left on the liveships. The entirety of galactic civilisation is lost without the relays.
Honestly, I think it would be better for the galaxy as a whole if the Reapers had been successful. It's been made a reoccurring point made in the games that the relays resulted in beneficial information-sharing for every civilisation that found one - advancing their technology and knowledge and resulting in all kinds of benefits.
Without the relays, which are destroyed in each ending, this can never happen again. There can be no such thing in any of the characters' lifetimes. Maybe in a few tens-of--thousands (possibly less if you cannabalise all the fighting ships' eezo cores?) of years a civilisation will be able to re-create a mass effect relay. But, it will still take an insanely long time to get anywhere to create another relay and link them up. There is no possibility that anyone left trapped in the Sol system will ever see anyone that wasn't there ever again.
At least if the Reapers had won, the infrastructure for galactic collaboration would still be intact. I believe the relays are an incredible loss and everyone is probably worse off because of it.
Okay, I liked a lot of this game. Here is why:
- I loved how much talking there was. I am a sucker for dialogue.
- I really enjoyed how we got to see so many of the old characters from the first two games.
- I liked how some of the scanning worked - it would have been great to have actual playable mini-missions for picking up artifacts or rescuing war asset teams though. And I did end up a lot of the time spamming the scan button as I fly merrily around a system as the Reapers chased me and then ducking out at the last moment.
- There have been some amazing improvements to combat since the first game. Fighting was really fun.
- I kind of love Khalisa Al-Jilani so the paragon interrupt WAS SO GREAT
- The romances were a lot less sexual-harassment than the first two and were kind of adorable.
I think the reason people are so upset about this (probably my biggest reason, anyway) is that BioWare makes games that are so incredibly rare. They're funny and exciting and interesting and complex and actually have made me think about what morals I actually have when making decisions. They are amazing. No one else makes games like this, and - I really don't want to be disrespectful here - if the games BioWare makes aren't quite to the standard we are accustomed to, no one else is going to make them.
You have set the bar very high for yourselves.
Also I suspect EA pushes you really hard to keep to very strict release dates. WE DON'T MIND WAITING OKAY
