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[Simodon]

luci90 wrote...

ifritanshiva wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Abreu Road wrote...

Thorfin_zly wrote...

Kenta Shuuichi wrote...

Tony0618 wrote...

weltraumhamster89 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

I beg to differ.  We DO want a happy ending. an option of one.  a Babilon 5 ending.  ME1 and ME2 type ending.

I'm just as tired of "no, we just want clarity" brigade as I am of "sunshine and rainbows and puppies" brigade.  neither is entirely correct.

even if the endings are "clarified"  galactic civilization is STILL screwed without relays.  the endings are STILL far too similar.  and as a result - the game is non replayable, and there's absolutely no motivation to buying any more DLC's for it.  for quite a few of us

Agreed. 

Me too.

Count me in.

That's it. Nothing to add.

You guys have my axe. Count me in.

" i'll buy that for a dollarrrrrr " oh...no i wont, i was watching robocop, i agree nothing to add.

^^this..... agreed!!!!

Hope it's not too late to join the party.

I'm so in! 

[eoinnx03]

Yeah If they don't change the pointlessly depressing endings, I'll just painfully take my money elsewhere.

[Ieya]

It really is a crushingly disappointing ending; as it stands it kills both any desire to bother re-playing through the trilogy (what's the point, galactic civilisation is going back to the dark ages in one of three colour schemes no matter what you do), or indeed to purchase DLC (which I'd enthusiastically done with ME2's).

The ending feels so weirdly tacked on, the dialogue wheel so strangely lacking the option where you question the child rather than meekly accepting its three options ... it just doesn't feel like it was crafted by the same team of excellence that delivered the masterpieces that were ME, ME2, and ME3 for its first 95%.

I really would like to congratulate everyone involved on the fantastic worlds they created, how the whole universe felt with its backstories, with the characters that we grew to love or felt a sense of tragic loss for (as Mordin said, anyone else might've gotten it wrong).

But I truly am left feeling disappointed, indeed bitterly let down, that you felt that ending was what your masterpiece deserved to crown it.

[SwiftRevenant]

I would like to state that I have been a loyal customer for many years Bioware. I have supported your company in any way imaginable whether it was buying DLC, memorabalia, spreading the word to friends/family, and even so much as buying your games as gifts to other people b/c I felt you did no other company does better. I have even bought SWTOR to support you guys even though I am not a fan of MMOs after the Blizzard WoW one. Telling a great story while providing great game play. I can honestly say I convinced my brothers, uncles, coworkers, friends to not only believe in your company, but to preorder ME3 the collector's edition when it came out after buying them copies or showing them what the game looked like when I would have a family get together. That was 15 preorders from my "network" not including what my family/friends/coworkers "network" bought.

When we ALL completed your game we were stunned. I remember waiting and getting texts, emails, phone calls about your ending. They discussed it with their friends/family. What happened to the Bioware we knew? Why is multiplayer literally forced on us to get a high enough EMS? Why did all that "extra" work in getting war assets count for nothing but a small clip at the end? Why did all the time spent getting to know our squadmates, doing the side missions, have no effect on the end? Why when Shephard had beaten the odds as a glimpse of what humanity could do when we work together, strive for peace, and the pursuit of a hard fought goal had those all been thrown out the window? Why are all 3 ends literally the same?

I'm not going to go into what needs to be done. I believe the indoc theory would provide the closure a lot of people including myself, friends, and family are looking for. Should there be a happy ending? Absolutely.

I've used this analogy many times when describing my dealings with businesses and as a care provider in the health care setting. If I go to a restaurant/hospital and DO NOT receive what I came there for I promise you I will never go there again. When I go to a restaurant and they see that I am not happy unless they go out of their way to not only apologize and make it right I will never go there again and will tell everyone I know about the service I received. When I take care of a patient if I do not "listen" and put the needs of them first with their concerns I will most likely lose them as a patient.

Not many people register and talk on these forums, but I assure you when I say word of mouth and what I have experienced on here and the internet that many are dissatisfied with how you ended the game. Replay value is not there. Why would you invest all that time playing only to get the short end of the stick?

I want to say that 98% of the game is really great, and I am sorry that the 2% people are upset with (me included) ruins the rest of that 98%. I no longer want to buy all 3 games as gifts for people I know. I no longer have the absolute trust in preordering from you guys after the fiasco with the day 1 DLC and now this ending.

If you guys decide to do nothing that is fine I can respect that. However you will have lost my business along with my family and friends. That is fact. Blizzard who makes great games stopped listening to the customer and they literally went out and said, "We listen but this is OUR game." That's fine, but they are bleeding customers in WoW and I am hesitant to buy anything Blizzard related.

Thank you for what you have given to us these many years, but I expect/want better from you. Please do not disappoint us your fan base!

Modifié par SwiftRevenant, 25 mars 2012 - 12:11 .

[Anubis2004]

A couple “end of the game changes” I hope you take under advisement:

1st: Please add Samantha Traynor to the possible crew members available to call/talk to while on the finale mission on earth. For some reason she is not available to call or talk to while on earth talking to the other crew members. She should have been available since she is a possible love interest.

2nd: It would be nice to see if at the end of the game, when the player is speaking to the A.I. who controls the Reapers, and before you choose one of the three paths to end the game, that the player/Shepard could send out a message to the crew of the Normandy, and a message to the rest of the galaxy asking them to continue to work together so this war would not be fought again in another 50,000 years. And finally, to the players love interest saying how much they cared for them and how they will be missed and sorry that they, the player/Shepard, can’t be there for them at the end.

3rd: It would be nice to see Liara, if she was the player/Shepard’s love interest, and didn’t die on earth, pregnant with Shepard’s child at the end of the game; and, to see her put her hand on her belly referencing that she is pregnant and hear her say that Shepard’s memory will live on even if he/she is not here.

4th: An extended cut-scene with the survivors of the Normandy on the Mysterious “jungle” plant that they crashed on at the end of the game.

5th: Several cut-scenes on perhaps showing the Turian home world where we get to see, possibly, a female Turian; a scene showing the Krogan on Tuchanka rebuilding their planet and population with thousands of little Krogan running around at the end of the game. A continuing cut-scene at the end of the game showing the different council member races rebuilding their respected home worlds and colonies, and asking how they can get interstellar space travel back up and operational after the relays untimely demise. A finale cut-scene showing what the Quarian race looks like outside of their suits, which can include showing what Tali finally looks like.

Modifié par Anubis2004, 24 mars 2012 - 11:00 .

[improperdancing]

TheRealMithril wrote...

improperdancing wrote...

There's no way there were over two million sales on Origin.  PC gaming is not nearly popular enough to support that many sales for what has primarily been an XBOX franchise.  It could be damage control on EA's part.  Leaking fake numbers to make it seem like more people are buying the game than actually are.

Ok two things. First, it's not primarily an XBox franchise. Mass Effect on the PC is very popular. And we have no real way of tracking digital sales because those are not disclosed.

Secondly, I did say I was guessing. I have only the numbers EA themselves mentioned to go by. From the numbers in the list I notices there are (at least) two million sales missing. I am guessing (quite probably) that those are digital sales.

I also don't care about any VS 'that' battles. I have consoles and PC and prefer PC thats it. If you want to believe in your platform that's fine. I am saying there are two million sales missing, and since we can't track digital sales I am guessing the sales are there.

Finally I would like to add that PC gaming is larger than all consoles put together.

First off, I'm not anti-PC or anything.  I've been playing Team Fortress 2 for years.  Used to play it competitively.  I've been a PC gamer since the mid-nineties.  

That said, PC gaming is only larger if you count MMOs.  Most shooters and single-player RPGs these days sell better on consoles.  That's just a fact of life.  That's not to say PC gaming is dying, but this is definitely the era of the consoles, and it shows in how few PC exclusives there are any more.  Hell, even Valve started developing console titles because that's where the money is now.

And as far as the Mass Effect series goes, I will always consider it a primarily XBOX title.  There's no bias in that.  Microsoft published the original Mass Effect and intended for it to be a major XBOX 360 exclusive.  Then BioWare got bought by EA and the sequels became multi-platform titles.  There's a reason the sales are significantly better on the XBOX than on the PS3 or PC.  Most of the people who originally played Mass Effect played it on the XBOX (not that it was ever possible to play the original on the PS3).

I stand by my assertion that there's no way the game sold over two million copies on Origin.  The 360 will have the highest sales numbers for ME3.  You can choose to not believe this if you want, but I assure you that it's true.

[sparrowjuice]

Anyone remember when Bioware used to release expansions for their games instead of DLC. 15 bucks for a whole new story featuring the same character (Shadows of Undrentide/ Hoards of the underdark, for Neverwinter Nights, The throne of Baal for Baldur's Gate 2, Mask of the betrayer for Neverwinter Nights 2). Something like that for ME3 would be awesome.

[GasmaskAvenger]

Anubis2004 wrote...
1st: Please add Samantha Traynor to the possible crew members available to call/talk to while on the finale mission on earth. For some reason she is not available to call or talk to while on earth talking to the other crew members. She should have been available since she is a possible love interest.

yeah that was a bit odd that Traynor was nowhere to be seen when you chatted with people. Even odder that she was a no show when you did the hologram chats.

[improperdancing]

TheRealMithril wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...


........  Shipped to stores.  you know, like when you go to gamestop or best buy?  and see the games sitting on the shelves?  they are not counted as a sale, untill they are i na hands of the customer. 

EA doesn't care. ... but whatever rocks your boat. .. it's clear you seriously underestimate Origin.

Are you deliberately being dense?  There have been 3.5 physical copies of Mass Effect 3 shipped to retail outlets, be it copies of the 360, PS3, or PC version.  Based on the sales numbers posted, about 1.5 million of those copies have actually been sold.

Those numbers do not take into account sales on Origin or, presumably, other digital distribution services (Steam, etc.).  That said, I highly doubt the sales numbers on Origin are anywhere near as high as the 360 sales numbers, which are currently just over a million.  My best guess is that Steam and Origin sales account for 500,000 sales tops, and that's a very generous estimate.

[InLoveWithTaliZorah]

Simodon wrote...

luci90 wrote...

ifritanshiva wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Abreu Road wrote...

Thorfin_zly wrote...

Kenta Shuuichi wrote...

Tony0618 wrote...

weltraumhamster89 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

I beg to differ.  We DO want a happy ending. an option of one.  a Babilon 5 ending.  ME1 and ME2 type ending.

I'm just as tired of "no, we just want clarity" brigade as I am of "sunshine and rainbows and puppies" brigade.  neither is entirely correct.

even if the endings are "clarified"  galactic civilization is STILL screwed without relays.  the endings are STILL far too similar.  and as a result - the game is non replayable, and there's absolutely no motivation to buying any more DLC's for it.  for quite a few of us

Agreed. 

Me too.

Count me in.

That's it. Nothing to add.

You guys have my axe. Count me in.

" i'll buy that for a dollarrrrrr " oh...no i wont, i was watching robocop, i agree nothing to add.

^^this..... agreed!!!!

Hope it's not too late to join the party.

I'm so in! 

Agreed But I'd still lenjoy a DLC ending that changes the end choices and actually gives some variety of choice (which is the basic principle of the series).

[Lord Irvine]

Anyone else listen to the Catalyst and figure out his logic makes no sense?

[InLoveWithTaliZorah]

I hope the end game initiatives that Bioware has mentioned are in the works and will be discussed more in April are real. And that the development teams see the major holes the fanbase has pointed out to them and fix them.

[InLoveWithTaliZorah]

Lord Irvine wrote...

Anyone else listen to the Catalyst and figure out his logic makes no sense?

Hahaha- No. No sense at all. None. Whatsoever. Possible interesting philosophical question but with circular and self defeating logic. Sadface:((((((

[Tov01]

The Catalyst is the Villian. I don't think we were supposed to sympathize with its view.

I only hope than in any revised ending, if the catalysy must stay, that we get the option to argue with it. And when (if?) that fails, give me the option to shoot the stupid kid in its smug face.

[tschamp]

[quote]InLoveWithTaliZorah wrote...

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[quote]jeweledleah wrote...

I beg to differ.  We DO want a happy ending. an option of one.  a Babilon 5 ending.  ME1 and ME2 type ending.

I'm just as tired of "no, we just want clarity" brigade as I am of "sunshine and rainbows and puppies" brigade.  neither is entirely correct.

even if the endings are "clarified"  galactic civilization is STILL screwed without relays.  the endings are STILL far too similar.  and as a result - the game is non replayable, and there's absolutely no motivation to buying any more DLC's for it.  for quite a few of us

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Agreed. 

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Me too.[/quote]

Count me in.

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That's it. Nothing to add.

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You guys have my axe. Count me in.

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" i'll buy that for a dollarrrrrr " oh...no i wont, i was watching robocop, i agree nothing to add.

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^^this..... agreed!!!!

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Hope it's not too late to join the party.[/quote]


I'm so in! [/quote]

Agreed But I'd still lenjoy a DLC ending that changes the end choices and actually gives some variety of choice (which is the basic principle of the series).

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I agree. I also wanted to see if the text going into single file.

[ClixWizard]

Lord Irvine wrote...

Anyone else listen to the Catalyst and figure out his logic makes no sense?

Just one more reason that I hated the ending. I wanted a dialouge option to tell the punk he can take his three options and shove 'em.

[helloween7]

[quote]tschamp wrote...

[quote]InLoveWithTaliZorah wrote...

[quote]Simodon wrote...

[quote]luci90 wrote...

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[quote]Abreu Road wrote...

[quote]Thorfin_zly wrote...

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[quote]jeweledleah wrote...

I beg to differ.  We DO want a happy ending. an option of one.  a Babilon 5 ending.  ME1 and ME2 type ending.

I'm just as tired of "no, we just want clarity" brigade as I am of "sunshine and rainbows and puppies" brigade.  neither is entirely correct.

even if the endings are "clarified"  galactic civilization is STILL screwed without relays.  the endings are STILL far too similar.  and as a result - the game is non replayable, and there's absolutely no motivation to buying any more DLC's for it.  for quite a few of us

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Agreed. 

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Me too.[/quote]

Count me in.

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That's it. Nothing to add.

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You guys have my axe. Count me in.

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" i'll buy that for a dollarrrrrr " oh...no i wont, i was watching robocop, i agree nothing to add.

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^^this..... agreed!!!!

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Hope it's not too late to join the party.[/quote]


I'm so in! [/quote]

Agreed But I'd still lenjoy a DLC ending that changes the end choices and actually gives some variety of choice (which is the basic principle of the series).

[/quote]

I agree. I also wanted to see if the text going into single file.

[/quote]

Getting there!

I'd also like to add that I don't need the ending to be "clarified". I understand all right. The plotholes and logical fallacies won't go away by being clarified or expanded on. 

More than anything, I want the ending to make sense. And to allow for real player choice. And to reflect the themes the Mass Effect Universe is built upon.

[Lord Irvine]

I'd planned on doing a few additional run throughs of all three games to explore every option, both good and bad. Now? I need to figure out what I'm going to do with my free time because that idea went down the drain after I completed Mass Effect 3.

[ClixWizard]

helloween7 wrote...

I'd also like to add that I don't need the ending to be "clarified". I understand all right. The plotholes and logical fallacies won't go away by being clarified or expanded on. 

More than anything, I want the ending to make sense. And to allow for real player choice. And to reflect the themes the Mass Effect Universe is built upon.

Couldn't agree more. I hate how the initial reaction from Bioware was to say that we'll get more clearity on the ending. We don't need clearity. We got, we just hated it.

[Bone3ater]

Well, I just finished the game 6 hours ago, and boy, was it a blast. Until the last 5 minutes which were like, wtfomg?

Seriously
though, I was a Mass Effect fan from the very beginning and I also
think the 3rd game is brilliant. Like, I can't even describe it, words
are not enough, best damn games I had the pleasure to play.

Sadly, the same goes for the ending and those weird little scenes at the end. No words for it. I'm at a loss.

Don't
get me wrong, I like the endings and the whole theme of the game,
sacrifice. Mordin, Thane, Legion, the list goes on and on. I really love that.
What I don't
like is, having no closure, making your choices all but vain throughout the entire trilogy. As it is now anyhow.

Like I said, I like the whole theme of sacrifice in the game, okay, I get it, but why not have more diverse endings like in ME 2? Sure, the choices in itself are different but I just feel like Shepard failes, you know?

-no big speech commemorating his achievments, beating impossible odds (I'm fine with postmortem btw, also, anyone remember Halo?)
-no little blue children
-no information about all the individual races, the galaxy as a whole
-no information about your crew

To kind of sum it up, it feels like the trilogy just ends.
Just like that.
It doesn't finish it just...ends.

Sorry to say this, but it's really dissapointing.

[Lord Irvine]

I thought it would be a similar ending to ME2 as well, with the choices being to destroy the reapers or control them. Instead we got....that, which words still can't describe.

[gecko360]

My feedback on the ending was posted on this thread and here:
http://social.biowar.../index/10570259
I argue that the end of M.E3 was arbitrary and inconsistent for the purpose of aiding Bioware in making a coherent ending. I explain how, even though I like the game a lot, the "star-child" is inconsistent and arbitrary in everything he does and therefore turns the ending into absurdity.

However, I must ask: Why does Priestly open up a spoiler allowed forum to let us know to consolidate our opinions of the end here and then bait and switch the topic of the forum to a "favorite moment" discussion? Does he want to us to beneficially discuss the end or forget about it?

Another question: Why can't Bioware discuss specifics of the ending because there are people who haven't beat the ending? It's a spoiler allowed forum; assumption being the 155,000 views are all people who beat the game and want substantial responses from Bioware in regards to the end because they saw the title to the forum. It just seems like an irrational, dishonest excuse. I see a lot of business ducking and dodging, which is understandable, but a tad rude. I'm waiting for an official, reasoned defense of the inspired "art" that is the end of M.E3.

I would also add that a reasoned defense is needed, not because the ending was subjectively seen as a poor one by many, but because the end, and game as a whole, failed to deliver on the many pre-game promises made by Bioware spokesmen. Cliche as it is, many consumers of M.E3 were victims of false advertisement. Yes, I do know the difference between a promise and an opinion. Despite the strangeness of all things Bioware right now, they will be my favorite company still! Dragon age, baby, Dragon stinking Age!

Modifié par gecko360, 25 mars 2012 - 12:09 .

[luci90]

Lord Irvine wrote...

Anyone else listen to the Catalyst and figure out his logic makes no sense?

I did. then I wanted to shoot him with Shepard's gun and that didn't do anything.

Then I wanted to get my gun and shoot him, but then I remembered if I did that I'd be down a computer.

[Tandem Toad]

BIOWARE, I LOVED THE ENDING!! Future games set in the Mass Effect universe will make more sense with the ending Bioware gave it. Having Shepard as a martyr give future games more meaning. I hate that people are hatin' on the ending.

[Mbednar]

Hexley UK wrote...

If that was the case how did they end up on some jungle planet with an atmosphere thats within range of FTL?

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