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Lamina wrote...

Weeee! Seems we might get an alternative or more elaborated and less plot holey ending! http://blog.bioware....012/03/21/4108/
 This means, I will probably end up giving the game a full 10/10! And if it gives me some closure without destroying advanced civilization as we know it in ME3.

Then I will have to play it again, and again, and again!!!! And download every scrap of DLC Bioware throws after me!!!:o  


I think you need to read this piece more carefully, this piece of text is being quoted all over the net by IGN and countless others being interpreted as new endings being promised, while al he says is, :
-We got good scores from critics who are partly dependent on Devs/publishers to compete ( ithey need to play nice if they want that interview or demo code)
-we think games are art ( and therefore this ending is perfect because the artist decides)
-He talks  about player control , while in truth none of the choices you've made actually really mattered save for a cameo appearance here or there even before the moronic ending, which indicates to me someone is putting their head back in the sand
-He also says that content is being created to make us understand (why the endings are good the way they are). I personally think that if they only have a cutscene explaining everything  is insult upon injury. especially if this turns out to be payed for DLC, because as said before we already payed for the game we even accepted day 1 dlc with the prothean in it....

The sad thing is that the ending as it now stands have left me with no desire for another play through, not even because of the fact there is only one ending possible ( I have played linear games before), but because it's so goddamned uninspiring it leaves you with disappointment.
Just a few examples:
Finalfantasy X great game great ending playe dthe whole game twice ( even though no other ending was possible)
Thief 3 great game great ambience and feel again great and fitting ending
Kotor 1 really nice game with a fitting ending
ME1 to 3: It set us up for a great gamefranchise in the making starting with ME1 where you had to made a reall decision( who died on virmire if you killed Wrex or not etc etc), ME2 was basically a bit of a let down, none of the choices you have made in ME1 or during ME2 had any reall impact, no great storyarch just beat the collectors and give the finger to TIM in the end ( or not), but I thought this was a calm before the storm a bit of fluff so that Bioware had time for ME3, during playing ME 3 however I found out that this sadly wasn't so, sure gameplay was more organic during battle, but still no reall repurcusions of your choices if I saved the Rachni they get mentioned by admiral hackett ; that they are scaring the scientists....really?
Also if this is supposed to be a war story why then didn't we get to help with fighting the reapers on Palaven once we secured Krogan help ( with which we stand a better chance at winning) or deploy more research misions to planets to find Prothean artifacts and why oh why is it so damned important to have played online with this kind of game this sickens me to the point of great annoyance...
But all that could be forgiven if the ending was good and the story was completed...but sadly this isn't the case , I don't think they"ll change it ,it costs to much money and crushes a great ego of someone high up in Bioware/EA  I feel... I just hope next time they will advertise Mass Effect ( if there will be a next installment) as a linear game on rails with great pretentions....failing at a RPG level, not really a shooter  a bit like teenage angst...

Bioware you were on the right track with ME1, just make  "a ME 1 with it's story and RPG elements put in ME3 controls , hell even put in  the option from ME3 where you can play without having the rpg elements and the story is decided for you for the lazy gamer

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Based on what I am reading on other websites...

This stuff isn't a hoax. This was all a major plot point to sell us the next games. That's why the ending makes no sense. It was disjointed and added at the last minute by one person to make sure DLC and the next series of games would sell. There was supposed to be an ending but it was largely scrapped to make sure this "new" ending could be built on.

I'm done Bioware. Forget it. You lost my money. This is disgusting if its true.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.
 
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment? :)

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> A Long Letter On The Ending (Hopefully Getting Your Attention Bioware)

  Hey there Chris I finished ME3 about 3 hours ago and thus have been able to do nothing else but sit around and think about the ending.
  I understand you guys hve been getting aggresively negative feedback on the ending and I would just like to shed some light on this for myself, the fans but mostly you guys at Bioware who I have profound respect for and I feel I just need this explained so please take this to heart from someone who is a profound fan of yours and also someone who considers himself one of the biggest fan of the series.

  The ending of Mass Effect 3 was not utterly terrible as every one has claimed, it rather fell into the dissapointing catagory simply because it's Mass Effect, people wanted to have rather see something...well i guess groundbreaking for such a beloved trilogy...I felt that almost acheived.

  When you are sitting next to Anderson, two old soldiers who have been friends forever, who just sit there and watch as the universe is freed of its monstrous shackles, you feel as if everything has come to this, Shepard and Anderson can drink in their success as their lives ultimately end and in turn grant the universe a new beginning. It felt so beautiful and poignant it felt like it had so much meaning, I was sitting there thinking to myself "How the hell can anyone hate this ending". Mass Effect felt complete. See for me this ending felt obvious, The Reapers are the bad guys, the Illusive Man another bad guy, it all felt so simple to oppose them and want them destroyed.
  I guess to me the obvious ending, the one without any real choice of the Reapers demise would have been perfect because of its simplicity it would have felt like iv'e finally completed the task that i was given three games ago, and finally opposing the Illusive man kind of was another nail in the coffin of the Reapers, ending him was the cherry on top because well he has had it two games coming and you felt satisfied you felt like you knew who the bad guys were and you have somehow stopped them.

Unfortunately the events that occur next are what has caused ME3 so much controversy.

  You see the next three or so minutes felt kind of forced in my opinion. I tried so hard not to feel dissapointed by it because well it's the ending of Mass Effect, my most beloved gaming trilogy and most beloved universe ever!
  Okay we all understand why this last part has caused so much spite from the fans. Yes we understand that there were plot holes and it pretty much made no sense in the context of the ME universe but lets break down this ending and hopefully explain why it has left so many people bereft of closure.

OK the first point I'm going to make here is the obvious one, the plot holes.
  The problem is not the plot holes themselves necisarilly it's more that why are they even there. You guys have been so fantastic at making a unequivocally melded and beleivable universe. Everything fits, everything feels real and beutiful and it keeps you engrossed but for some reason the explanations of everything and the seamlessness of all the different aliens and cultures is thrown out the window at the end of ME3, it was nonsensicle for no reason.
  Remeber in ME1 when you speak to Sovereign and you ask him to explain the Reapers purpose and actions and he replies by essentially telling you that the organic conciousness cannot comprehend their ideals and that they think on a much larger and different scale. You felt like this didn't need explaining, it all felt like their purpose was uncomprihensible in the organic mind and really you didn't want it explained, it didn't need to be explained because here are these extremely powerful beings that basically have a different or perhaps "higher" thinking process to us and you felt their goals were just different to yours, see with the ending of ME3 you explain the Reapers purpose in extremely simple terms that felt unlike the Reapers and it made them feel more like puppets instead of their own seperate entity (*this is a big point I will adress later on) and in turn also gave us the Catalyst the puppet master of the Reapers which was unexplainable in itself, but unlike the Reapers thought processes, which was unexplainable for absolutely no reason, you just felt that questions needed answers with the Catalyst. Why was he there, how did he get there, why is he in control of the Reapers and why does he look like the boy who died on earth. Seriously having the Catalyst in the form of the boy was pretty much pointless and just made me feel even more confused. Felt cander was needed there sorry.

*The second point i'll be making is probably for me the biggest one.
The utter deconstruction of the entire Mass Effect universe!
  OK i understand wanting a big ending where everyone gets peace but was the destruction of the Mass Effect relays really necissary. See this was one thing that got me really dissapointed with the ending. Destroying the Mass Effect Relays ultimately destroys the entire fiction of Mass Effect itself. Without those relays its impossible to continue the story of Mass Effect at all, and yes I know the post credits scene was there to rectify this but without the relays your leaving the univerese at its end and pretty much puts forward the fact that no ME game from here on can be a sequal to ME3 because the ability of long range space travel has been completely nullified.
  This also leads to a distinct lack of closure. It makes you feel as if everyone in a ship has crash landed somewhere and you aren't sure where and they have to basically survive on that planet with whatever resources they had with them and resources that are on the planet and whatever company was with them that didn't die in the crash and whoever else crashed on the same planet.
  Also how did the Normandy crash? I mean we assumed that Joker and the crew were out in space where there is no gravitional pull then shouldn't they be drifting along for a while before they crash land, see the consistancy of this ending is whats really irked me, it's is bad story telling in a Mass Effect game and this is the first time that bad story telling has slithered its way into the trilogy. Also why does it feel like no really cares what happened to Shepard?

  The third and final point i'm going to make is on Shepards' death depending on what path was chosen at the end.
  As my girlfriend and I were getting giddy over the game before it came out, in all our excitement we discussed what we thought everything would be like and the first thing she said to me when the ending came up as a topic was "I bet there will be a forced death or sacrifice Shepard has to make". I immediately got high on my pedistal and retorted with "No way, Bioware would never do something like that for ME they have gotten everything perfect so far its just impossible". I really beleived that. I thought to myself how bad the ending of I Am Legend was, with the forced suicide, and how in so many movies and games the protagonist forces him/herself to die simply to pull on a couple of heart strings because they can't think of anything else for the ending. I just couldn't comprehend that Bioware who are fantastic story tellers would think that the whole "has to sacrifice himself" was a good idea.
  See the problem with it is, why does Shepard have to die in a spontanious way? He died once and the impact was astronomical. I remeber seeing the teaser for ME2 and watching as "Commander Shepard: Deceased" rolls across the screen you thought "holy ****" who do you play as, why is he dead and so on and so forth, but with the ending of ME3 the death felt like it was trying to be as if he was some sort of superhero it felt as if he was something that wasn't human.
  The problem is he is only human. So why is this important to me?
  Well, I grew extremely attached to my Shepard I felt connected to him. Every action I made, I made with care, every conversation option I chose was one I thought reflected my Shepard well and the biggest point of them all is that as Shepard you had to make sacrifices, he can't do everything he is only human. You grow close to your Shepard not only because of the control you have over him but because of the experiences you endure with him and most of all because he is a human being who is constantly defying the odds, this is what made that last sequence with Anderson and the Illusive Man so heart pounding, because you are at the final point with Shepard and you can't control it like you could everything else. I guess thats why I liked its simplicity so much, because in a trilogy where everything is choice and everything you have done in the past is reflected in the the sequel games you are at an end state where nothing is under your control.
  Shepard feels completely human! He has finally reached his limits and can only watch as his oldest freind dies and as the galaxy is freed. It would have been perfect to have the Reapers destroyed and Shepard die without any sort of twist ending it's all laid out in front of you like it should be, you watch the hero you love physically and mentally struggle, something he hasn't done to this extent before, and eventually die as the human he is. (mabey perhaps if you had enough assest the fleet makes it to the Citadel in time and wheels shepard into Heurta Memorial to speak to his/her loved ones and friends for one last time before he dies or just have it end with Shepard sitting in the hospital bed with them and they talk and it all becomes resolved between them all and he looks out the window to a free new galaxy, it's just an idea).

Look I write this to you Chris and well Bioware because I love Mass Effect and it really deserves more, it deserves closure, something the ending severely lacked unfortunately. I hope that you read this long, fan screeching diatribe and take some of it to heart and consider it simply because not only do you guys deserve better for creating this wonderful universe but the universe itself deserves it.

Anyway thats enough from me thank you so much guys for the constant joy you have created for me in these games and characters, I hope you continue it for much much longer,

Sincerely Your Fan,
Painted Chips

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Painted Chips wrote...
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Anyway thats enough from me thank you so much guys for the constant joy you have created for me in these games and characters, I hope you continue it for much much longer,

Sincerely Your Fan,
Painted Chips


if this is it I hope they just quit and start making Wii games like Mass Effect the journey, maybe even in storybased mmo form and hope toddlers have fun with it since it's on their complexity level

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Lochwood wrote...

Thalos wrote...

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With regards to Indoctrination Theory I honestly think it's an interpretation that mildly resembles a paranoid schizophrenic. I mean that in the sense that any bit of evidence is seized upon that may (and may NOT) support the theory and subsequently used as definitive evidence. The theory also appears to be quite closed in the sense that no single fact contained in the gameplay could ever disprove it. In fact I would be willing to be that you could find signs that Shepard is indoctrinated in any of the Mass Effect games and be able to rationalize reasons why/how this could benefit the Reapers. It seems too convenient and too motivated out of hopeful thinking. I also do not see why everyone is so convinced that Shepard HAS to be in London at the end. No concrete on the citadel? Really? Look again as that's a pretty weak argument. (Again, this is ignoring the fact that Shepard is outside without a Helmet during the Crucible sequence). Could it be true? Yep. But I have to feel that without further DEFINITIVE evidence I have to go with Occam's Razor and just put it down to inconsistent writing.
Ultimately I hope to see some clarification and maybe some additions to the endings but I don't hope for a 'happy', shots-and-high-fives ending as I think that would be missing the entire point of the series.

I agree expecially concerning the indoctrination theory. Lets not forget that said theory was thought of by the players, not suggested in any way by the producers. To me the whole indoctrination theory, plausible and elaborated and well-constructed as it is, looks like a desperate attempt to explain and somehow justify this terrible thing that is mass effect 3 ending. It is almost like the players are trying to convince themselves that this was all intentional and that this was the plan ans that there's more to it, that bioware did not really let us all down.Yea maybe it's true but unfortunately I believe that none of this was intentional, that bioware did let us down, that the ending was rushed and illconsidered, that all of what the indoctrination theory explains could just as easily be explained by saying that bioware maybe ran out of time and had to rush to meet the deadline , or that they simply did not care enough. I'm sorry everyone if I sound so negative, I still sincerely hope that bioware will be able to fix the ending but this remains the biggest disappointment I have ever had in a game.



With respect, you're likely wrong. According to reports, up until November, indoctrination was going to figure prominently into the end sequence. The player was going to physically lose control of Shepard in some way, likely during a final boss battle.  (You'll notice that after you say goodbye to Garrus that there ARE no more fights for you to "give them hell -- that's because they dropped the final boss and the indoctrination gameplay due to "unsatisfying game mechanics.")

That said, I think Shep is definitely in London at the end -- it's clearly the London textures.  Also, the Citadel breaks up and explodes in the rendered cutscene -- so if he wakes up while still on the Citadel, it's going to be a short reunion. Also, it LOOKS like London because it's not a burning metallic space ship -- and that's what Occam's razor suggests.








No your wrong, there's no way shep is indoctronated. The black swirly stuff , that was TIM's power paralyzing Shepard and Anderson, let's just clarify that little tid bit. Also who's to say that the Starchild couldn't have encased Shepard in a force field which once the citadel exploded launched it back to earth. This is a rare occurance but so is getting the ending where you see him live at all. It's just one of the possibilities, also who's to say and it's VERY plausable moreso than my previous statement actually, that once again Shepard wasn't protected somehow through direct intervention or just dumb luck, and rode the Citadel Wreckage back to earth, having been pulled into Earth's gravitational pull.
People seem to miss the point, the number one point which is obvious as a kick to the face, as to WHY  Shepard couldn't have been Indoctronated and why that theory is just bunk.
TIM couldn't have controlled the Reapers because he was Indoctronated, Shepard Could control them because he...Obviously Wasn't! The Star Child wouldn't have even bothered to show up!! Or Talk to Shepard in the first place if he WAS indoctronated!! This is cold hard logic based on what we saw all conjecture aside.

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RobinEJ wrote...

Did you see it?
http://pastebin.com/znYraLnF
http://i39.tinypic.com/1gnlw2.jpg
From 4chan?


If this is true, then BioWare is going to loose most core fans... And EA is going to loose a lot of money...

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Archangel6902 wrote...

Lochwood wrote...

Thalos wrote...

cjp31 wrote...
With regards to Indoctrination Theory I honestly think it's an interpretation that mildly resembles a paranoid schizophrenic. I mean that in the sense that any bit of evidence is seized upon that may (and may NOT) support the theory and subsequently used as definitive evidence. The theory also appears to be quite closed in the sense that no single fact contained in the gameplay could ever disprove it. In fact I would be willing to be that you could find signs that Shepard is indoctrinated in any of the Mass Effect games and be able to rationalize reasons why/how this could benefit the Reapers. It seems too convenient and too motivated out of hopeful thinking. I also do not see why everyone is so convinced that Shepard HAS to be in London at the end. No concrete on the citadel? Really? Look again as that's a pretty weak argument. (Again, this is ignoring the fact that Shepard is outside without a Helmet during the Crucible sequence). Could it be true? Yep. But I have to feel that without further DEFINITIVE evidence I have to go with Occam's Razor and just put it down to inconsistent writing.
Ultimately I hope to see some clarification and maybe some additions to the endings but I don't hope for a 'happy', shots-and-high-fives ending as I think that would be missing the entire point of the series.

I agree expecially concerning the indoctrination theory. Lets not forget that said theory was thought of by the players, not suggested in any way by the producers. To me the whole indoctrination theory, plausible and elaborated and well-constructed as it is, looks like a desperate attempt to explain and somehow justify this terrible thing that is mass effect 3 ending. It is almost like the players are trying to convince themselves that this was all intentional and that this was the plan ans that there's more to it, that bioware did not really let us all down.Yea maybe it's true but unfortunately I believe that none of this was intentional, that bioware did let us down, that the ending was rushed and illconsidered, that all of what the indoctrination theory explains could just as easily be explained by saying that bioware maybe ran out of time and had to rush to meet the deadline , or that they simply did not care enough. I'm sorry everyone if I sound so negative, I still sincerely hope that bioware will be able to fix the ending but this remains the biggest disappointment I have ever had in a game.



With respect, you're likely wrong. According to reports, up until November, indoctrination was going to figure prominently into the end sequence. The player was going to physically lose control of Shepard in some way, likely during a final boss battle.  (You'll notice that after you say goodbye to Garrus that there ARE no more fights for you to "give them hell -- that's because they dropped the final boss and the indoctrination gameplay due to "unsatisfying game mechanics.")

That said, I think Shep is definitely in London at the end -- it's clearly the London textures.  Also, the Citadel breaks up and explodes in the rendered cutscene -- so if he wakes up while still on the Citadel, it's going to be a short reunion. Also, it LOOKS like London because it's not a burning metallic space ship -- and that's what Occam's razor suggests.








No your wrong, there's no way shep is indoctronated. The black swirly stuff , that was TIM's power paralyzing Shepard and Anderson, let's just clarify that little tid bit. Also who's to say that the Starchild couldn't have encased Shepard in a force field which once the citadel exploded launched it back to earth. This is a rare occurance but so is getting the ending where you see him live at all. It's just one of the possibilities, also who's to say and it's VERY plausable moreso than my previous statement actually, that once again Shepard wasn't protected somehow through direct intervention or just dumb luck, and rode the Citadel Wreckage back to earth, having been pulled into Earth's gravitational pull.
People seem to miss the point, the number one point which is obvious as a kick to the face, as to WHY  Shepard couldn't have been Indoctronated and why that theory is just bunk.
TIM couldn't have controlled the Reapers because he was Indoctronated, Shepard Could control them because he...Obviously Wasn't! The Star Child wouldn't have even bothered to show up!! Or Talk to Shepard in the first place if he WAS indoctronated!! This is cold hard logic based on what we saw all conjecture aside.


I agree  that Shepard is not being indoctrinated, aside from being an overused plotdevice I ask people this do you negotiate with the fly before you squash it? Are you going to therapy with the rat in your basement?
because reapers just see us as vermin which needs to be exterminated every 50 K years.
At the final moment when Harbinger shows up and hittingeverything with its red beam why bother indoctrinating a losing opponent just shoot him in the head and get it over with.
Indoctrination at this point is like watching those old Batman episodes from the 60's where the villain explains Batman what the trap he is in does how it works and then leaves ...just moronic in short

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from what I could guess it seems like you guys need this ending to stay the same. you needed a way to set up another ME game. it makes sense that you had an original ending where it had multiple endings but you saw how many people wanted a 4th so you had to create an ending you could build off from. but in doing so you lied to your players and really as much as I want a new ending what I really want is the truth. Just tell us what happened cause I can't believe a company as fantastic as Bioware would of had done this for any other reason.

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Coachdongwiffle wrote...

from what I could guess it seems like you guys need this ending to stay the same. you needed a way to set up another ME game. it makes sense that you had an original ending where it had multiple endings but you saw how many people wanted a 4th so you had to create an ending you could build off from. but in doing so you lied to your players and really as much as I want a new ending what I really want is the truth. Just tell us what happened cause I can't believe a company as fantastic as Bioware would of had done this for any other reason.


Based on the leaks, you are right on.

They got the "go ahead" to start the next series and Casey Hudson shoe-horned this ending onto the game.

It was written in a vaccum and thats why every scene is so disjointed.  The one gun turret scene is laughably out of place.  There were supposed to be all these great ending sequences and they were all scrapped to strand the galaxy in one place.  Thats the base of the next DLC.

And yes, Shep is still alive but he's really dead.  LOL.

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Seival wrote...

RobinEJ wrote...

Did you see it?
http://pastebin.com/znYraLnF
http://i39.tinypic.com/1gnlw2.jpg
From 4chan?


If this is true, then BioWare is going to loose most core fans... And EA is going to loose a lot of money...


They pretty much lost mine after that ending, coupled with a complete lack of genuine care from Bioware. If those leaks hold any truth then it proves Bioware screwed both their fans and their game over to make is pay for DLC and half assed sequals.

I've  already started putting friends off getting it, thankfully they listen to my game advice. With Biowares **** approach to thier fans at this point I'm trading my ME games in one of the stores are doing a 75% trade in value at the mo.

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Just finished the game (without reading spoilers). The explanation for reapers and decision options at the end are OK - I choose synthesis. But what comes right before and next to it has some potential for improvement ...
  • What happens to the buddies approaching the beam in London? Proposal: state and show clearly that they are dead.
  • What happens to the thousands of people on Citadel? Is Citadel destroyed completely? Proposal: give a sign of hope that they survived and keep Citadel devasted but not destroyed (positive endings only of course).
  • I have no idea what the scene with the Normady is about ... it does not make any sense. Proposal: drop that completly, replace it by a scene on earth with some unknown soldiers rising from dust (in positive case).
Then I vote for: Shepard to be dead in any case. Do not show any of the crew in the ending, they had enough screen time before the fight. The end scene after the credits makes the most sense here.

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Please please, don't make the indoctrination theory the "real" ending. It makes the entire game a delusion, all choices you made are pointless, and ANY option in the ending ultimately doesn't matter. Basically, it just exacerbates all the criticisms of the ending as it stands now. I'm okay of the ending as it is. I just want more closure on what happened to my crew and the galaxy at large.

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Noirinsoleil wrote...

Please please, don't make the indoctrination theory the "real" ending. It makes the entire game a delusion, all choices you made are pointless, and ANY option in the ending ultimately doesn't matter. Basically, it just exacerbates all the criticisms of the ending as it stands now. I'm okay of the ending as it is. I just want more closure on what happened to my crew and the galaxy at large.


Why would you think that? Only from the moment Shepard is shot down by Harbinger is he finally challenged with indoctrination. In case you have not seen it:

If Shepard rejected indoctrination, the real battle for earth can finally begin - and all your actions can matter, both in the battle and in the epilogue.

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Seival wrote...

RobinEJ wrote...

Did you see it?
http://pastebin.com/znYraLnF
http://i39.tinypic.com/1gnlw2.jpg
From 4chan?


If this is true, then BioWare is going to loose most core fans... And EA is going to loose a lot of money...


the fact that its 4chan is the main thing that gives me hope its fake.  prior to ME3 I would have been sure its fake.  after ME3..... will wait and see what they say at PAX.

as far as core fandoms, I can see them, potentialy getting new fans with this (if its true - we've gotten a lot of fake leaks before that had grain of truth to them, to make them sound more real).  the question is, would it be enough to replace the lost core and is it relaly a good idea.

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Seival wrote...

RobinEJ wrote...

Did you see it?
http://pastebin.com/znYraLnF
http://i39.tinypic.com/1gnlw2.jpg
From 4chan?


If this is true, then BioWare is going to loose most core fans... And EA is going to loose a lot of money...


If this is true, I am done with Bioware and I will boycott all EA games as well.

HOWEVER, we have no way of knowing if this is true and chances are its not. Besides, it mentions EDI when talking about Terminator (the proposed DLC), but she would not be alive in the Destroy ending. And it seems to make no allowance for the Control or Synthesis endings the player was allowed to pick from.

I guess we will know in time though - when the next DLC is released.

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improperdancing wrote...

Are you deliberately being dense?  There have been 3.5 physical copies of Mass Effect 3 shipped to retail outlets,


Be civil, personal attacks aren't viewed lightly here. Also, you're speculating. Unless you are actually directly connected to the sales numbers of EA, and where those sales go. I will treat your 'knowledge' for what it really is, speculating. This discussion is ended.

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TheRealMithril wrote...

improperdancing wrote...

Are you deliberately being dense?  There have been 3.5 physical copies of Mass Effect 3 shipped to retail outlets,


Be civil, personal attacks aren't viewed lightly here. Also, you're speculating. Unless you are actually directly connected to the sales numbers of EA, and where those sales go. I will treat your 'knowledge' for what it really is, speculating. This discussion is ended.


www.webpronews.com/mass-effect-3-ships-3-5-million-in-first-few-days-2012-03

There you go.  Proof that I wasn't speculating.  Not that you couldn't have spent ten seconds looking it up yourself instead of making a weak rebuttle.

The important quote from the above article:
"Note that the 3.5 million figure is shipped, not sold."

Modifié par improperdancing, 25 mars 2012 - 03:41 .


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The most glaring plotholes introduced by the ending.

1. I left Anderson at the London command post, directing resistance forces. Why would he abandon the command post? Anderson is in charge of all Earth resistance. He would not risk 'leadership decapitation' by going on an 'away mission'.

2. Why would TIM be on the Citadel? Not to mention, the only way to that particular chamber, on the Citadel, is via the conduit. If the Citadel were accessible,from space, then Hackett would have stormed it, not have Anderson send Shepard to the Conduit in London.

3. How did Liara go from fighting, by my side , to being on the Normandy? How did my crew get from the London command post to the Normandy? What would cause them to leave the battle? Why would the Normandy be entering a mass relay?

This, in addition to all the series plotholes created by Catalyst, makes for a poor ending.
I understand that Bioware wants to preserve 'artistic vision'.

But the Replay value is ruined for me. It is hard to play this game again.

Modifié par inversevideo, 25 mars 2012 - 03:42 .


#10569
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It's been a week now since I finished the game and I still feel the same way as before - I don't like the ending for the many reasons stated before.

Early this week I did a consumer complaint about the game. If the complaint goes through, I will return the game to Gamestop and will start a facebook campaign encouraging others who feel it to be the right course of action to do the same. I very much believe that money is the only reason rEApers listen to.

I'm saddened that this has come to this, but I am not paying for any extra DLC to get the full story (already bought the day one DLC), and am prepared to make a statement with money.

RobinEJ wrote...

Did you see it?
http://pastebin.com/znYraLnF
http://i39.tinypic.com/1gnlw2.jpg
From 4chan?


That might well be fake, but the level of sillyness involved makes me worry that it's for real. Sigh.

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#10570
wcoldplayerw

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First, I want to say sorry for my English, it
suc*s even more than Mass Effect 3 endings did and in the light of the fact
that it’s hard to find something that suc*s more than ME3 endings, everyone can
imagine how bad my English is. So I hope something of what I’m wanted to write will
be understandable, even if my personal opinion don’t mean anything.

I want to start with thanks. THANK YOU,
BIOWARE, ALL WRITERS, COMPOSERS, ACTORS, ALL PEOPLES WHO WORKED ON MASS EFFECT
SERIES, YOU ARE THE BEST.

ME3 is the best game of all series, and all
series it's truly a masterpiece, a work of art every true fan have a reverence
for. Bioware can proud of their accomplishment, Mass Effect series became the
best story ever to many people around the world, ME is better than any game,
movie or book I personally ever experienced, and I'm not the one who think so. Entire
game from the beginning in ME1 give us ultimately high quality story, perfectly
done characters that apprehends like alive, possibility to make choices so everyone's
playthrough has some own details, things that only player responsible for. All
this provide us with very strong emotional ties to this world, to Shepard and
through him to every single character in ME universe. Liara, Garrus, Anderson,
Tali, Wrex, Mordin, Legion, Grunt, Ashley, Kaiden, Joker, Thane........ many
others and all secondary characters done just brilliant, Shepard is clearly
unbelievable perfect almost in every scene. Most of players have a huge
emotional investment in this story since ME1 to the end. All that you  see on the screen go through you and forced to
feel  deep and sharp emotions in every
scene, I just can't hold my tears when I saw scenes of curing geno****e and
Mordin sacrifice for it, conclusion of peace between Geth and Quarians, death
of Thane or Kirahe, sacrifice of Victus son, many other tragic, but heroic,
full of honor deeds that we witnessed in the light of desperate fight of any
species for surviving, when peoples who held the front line fight despite
themselves and made sacrifices to bring a glimpse of hope in hearts of
compatriots and alias. ME 3 and entire series give me so many emotions, any
movie or game never did, because of all my CHOICES, they bring to ME world a
part of my views, I think It's great, and all true fans feel the same about it.
Also all music in ME 3 just perfect, very emotional, epic and provoke creeps. To
do something like Mass Effect, you must be Godlike in your business. Thanks to
everyone who worked on Mass Effect series, you did the great job.

 In light
of all I’m write on top it’s easy to understand why most passionate fans feels
so  hm…. 
feels like sh*t after they reach final screen. For now I believe in
indoctrination theory, I will be surprised if I’m wrong. Hope great epic final
is ahead. But let’s forget about indoctrination and face what we have now, if
endings are true, they obviously unsatisfying, things completely went wrong at
last 10 minutes.

 It all
starts at the beam Shepard gets up; look around there’s no Liara or Garrus,
where are they? Retreat and leave Shepard to die? THIS IS BULLSH*T. After I
killed in cold blood Marauder Shields, I’m reached the citadel, Anderson,
Illusive man, Shepard; talks, suicide; it’s all good, nothing wrong with that.

 But when
I reached the GodBoy and he told me the reason of reapers existing and also
that he’s creator of reapers, I just refuse to believe it’s true. I thought “No,
no, Reapers are just damn pawns?, all they mystery is nothing? Harbinger is a minion?
God in ME, no it can’t be, why, why, why???” Reapers turn too small dumb
insects in my mind, they even can’t decide anything. Reapers since ME1 were so
big mystery, their reasons were beyond understanding, Harbinger’s speeches were
epic and masterful, and now they are just minions, and their reasons not beyond
understanding, but beyond sane mind.  Seriously, Reapers are synthetics who kill
organics every 50k years to prevent killing of organics by self made
synthetics. Oh my God!

But anyway, Ok I can agree with this; however it’s
seemed not so bad to me right after I faced all diversity of final choices. I
just listen to kid and thinking “Now it will be some paragon/renegade interrupt
and I go out of here” but NOPE. I’m started to shoot at kid, after that I
looking for some exit, I was thinking “NO, IT CAN’T BE A,B,C CHOICE WITH
SIMILAR CONCLUSIONS”, but yes, it was. I realized “this is it” Shepard will
die, right here right now, and he never see Liara or Garrus, Tali, Ashley, Wrex
or anyone he love or take care of, maybe they already dead and he can’t help
them, but Shepard just don’t care. When you should to sacrifice your life, you
for sure will be thinking about people you love, but NOPE Shepard doesn’t. Even
some remembrance and simple words from him before his sacrifice: “Forgive me
Liara (or Tali or Ashley or someone else). I’m not coming back like I promise.
I wish you to be happy” he looking at Earth his face reflects confidence and
sadness, and then you choose the path. In my opinion it’s much better than emotionless
robot at the end. Final with sacrifice which can be such emotional and epic,
maybe with last farewell to LI, death of LI on Shepard’s arms, or death of LI
with Shepard just wasted, turns to nonsense, it can’t be like that.

So, I choose to destroy reapers, it’s the only
solution, destroying the reapers without any compromises, even if all other
synthetics were destroyed too, but destroying was always the point of Shepard,
he can’t do anything else.  I watched
final cut-scenes and thinking. What the hell??? Relays explosions destroy every
stellar system in Galaxy. Shepard destroys entire Galaxy in his trying to stop
the reapers. I was already prepared for final cut-scene which clarify
everything, NOPE, crashing Normandy scene, Liara and Garrus go out of the ship
after Joker, light smile on Liara’s face, she looks happy, it’s clear that
Shepard fate don’t mean anything to her, FEEL FREE TO ENJOY THIS, ANYONE WHO
THINK THAT HE LIKE THE ENDINGS. First, how can Liara and Garrus get to the
Normandy and leave Shepard alone? But the main question that tears me apart
was, how it possible? Characters with so deep relations, friends, lovers in the
end can be so emotionless about fate of each other, don’t care about each
other?  So, final which can be great, was
failed, wasted and turns to BULLSH*T, first of all because most important
emotional moments were wasted. I’m sorry but it’s true if anyone disagrees with
that, then sorry pals, but taste in art something far from you.  

So, I was almost devastated with these
cut-scenes, but still waiting for final closure. I was thinking all this
contradictions will find some explanation right now and finally I will see how
my decisions effects ending, but another big NOPE, observers’ cut-scene, enjoy.
THE END “Commander Shepard has become bla bla bla bla bla” That’s the final
closure??? That was the hugest WTF in my life.

 

Some people thinks ending great and sad like
they should be in story like that, but it's not the point no matter sad or
happy, they just low-quality. But still I can’t understand why there’s no happy
ending? Why not? What’s wrong with that?  This is a game not a movie or book, for ME
movie I think sad ending with sacrifice will be better. But game is better than
the movie, in game anyone can get ending like he want bad, sad, happy. I don’t
know why we don’t even have a choice. WHY DEFENDERS OF SAD ENDINGS THINKS THEY
SMARTER THAN THE OTHERS AND THEIR MIND DOMINANT.  WHAT’S WRONG WITH YOU? WHAT’S YOUR PROBLEM? YOU
HAVE SOME COMPLEXES WITH HAPPY ENDING? WE NEED TO RESPECT EACH OTHER MIND. NO
ONE FORCES YOU TO ACHIVE GOOD ENDING IF YOU DON’T WANT.


 

#10571
wcoldplayerw

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WHAT I WAS
EXPECTED FROM ENDINGS.MY THOUGHTS ABOUT ENDINGS IN LIGHT OF ORIGINAL STORY. I
was thinking final mission will be the suicide mission on the galaxy scale, and
my choices will decide who survive and who die.  Also I’m sure that in final mission LI must be
with Shepard on default. There’s no F*** way Liara (or other LI) let Shepard go
without her (Like Trinity in Matrix). Also that’s good idea, clearly, there’s no
way Shepard can leave his friend to die without any words or trying to help,
but to do scenes for every crew mate not necessary if LI with Shepard on
default, to add some tragic and emotions in sad endings it’s enough to kill
crew mate and LI, It’s demanding to write only scenes of LIs death. It’s what
been missing in endings, last words before death from someone who means a lot
to Shepard. Come on, in the sad endings of ME we want to see how our friends
dying, not just dead bodies.

BASICALLY 3
ENDINGS: BAD, MIDDLE, GOOD. ALL VARIATIONS DEPEND ON MAIN CHOICES OF ENTIRE TRILOGY.

BAD.  Reapers win. During ground battle on Earth,
united fleet suffer defeat, crucible destroyed, ground forces almost destroyed,
only Anderson with small squad and Shepard with Liara and Garrus for example
reached the beam, but they all die. After that reapers will end the cycle.

In light of
bad ending, scene with LI death can be something like:

During the run to the beam Shepard, Liara and
Garrus (or other squad mates) is badly wounded by a shot of reaper. Garrus
nearly dead, Shepard, something like in original ending

Garrus 
Shepard, revenge them, I’m … Goodbye my frien…

Shepard get up and run to Liara(or other LI)
she still alive,  Shepard stand on his
knees raise  a little, all clear to both
of them, that’s fatal wound,

Liara (with bitter smile) – I let you down;
there’s will be no blue babies, not in this life.

Shepard (his face reflects desperation, he
tries to hide it) – No, don’t say that. You are the only reason I still alive
and fight all this time. I can’t lose you. 
Shepard on radio: it’s commander Shepard I need a landing, I need someone
to pick up injured person. (He take her  in one's arms, stand up and try to go, but
it’s too painful for her she close eyes, agony on her face, Shepard fall on his
knees, tears in his eyes, Liara open her eyes looking at him with compassion)

Radio: (Victus to Shepard): Negative, Commander
its Primarch Victus, landing impossible, our forces thrown back from Earth and
divided by the reapers, fleet suffer defeat, crucible destroyed, reapers tear
apart Human fleet, flagship, with admiral Hacket on board, eliminated,  Normandy also, Asari fleet tire out, Destiny
Ascension eliminated, almost  all our
dreadnoughts destro……. (static).  Shepard
looking at the sky, the last Turian dreadnought explodes.  While Victus talk we see desperate battle, destruction
of Normandy and crew death. Shepard looking around, soldiers dying, destruction
and death everywhere. Shepard understands “this is it”, this is the end. He accept
defeat with honor and calmness.

Harbinger – Shepard, you failed. You can’t win
this battle. You have no choice but to face your extermination.  Breaking the cycle will doomed the fate of
entire galaxy.  There is no alternative
to our solution, accept your destiny.

Liara (with torment) There’s still a chance to
win. Leave me. I’ll understand

Shepard  (renegade) We already lose. ( Shepard leaves
Liara, get up, turn around in that moment Harbinger shoot at him, Shepard and
Liara dying.

(paragon) My place right here with you, my fate
is to share your.

Liara touch Shepard face with her fingers, they
look in each other eyes, scene flood with pink light, Liara looks tired, but
smiles through the pain with appeasement, Shepard holds her close and look at
her with tenderness)    Then we see that
scene with Anderson’s eyes, Harbinger shoot in Shepard and Liara, they slowly
vaporized. Anderson and his squad holding position on the top of the hill,
Anderson receive a message that nearly all ground forces destroyed, Brutes
attacked and kill Anderson and his squad. 
We see that reapers harvested Earth and other homeworlds, decades after
reapers finished their job and leave galaxy. And in the end we see representatives
of some not advanced species, they look at the stars.

I know, it’s pretty poor writing and maybe it’s
too much concentrated on LI, but it’s impossible to show real emotions of character
without scenes like that, without death of dearest friends.

 

FOR MIDDLE-BAD ENDING CAN BE MODIFIED, All the
same, except Radio talks, fleets stronger and ground forces too, Anderson didn’t
die in battle near the beam, Harbinger too busy in battle to think about
Shepard, LI die on his hands, he drop couple of tears, his face changed from
sorrow to anger, some soldier took body of LI and take it away to the shuttle,
Shepard get up, turn around, watch at Harbinger and says: You mother****ers, I
destroy you all. I will send you back in the dark hole from what you came from.

Shepard sacrifice.
CONTROL – Can’t control the reapers, they win. SYNTHESIS – everyone turns to synthetic.
DESTROY – all AI destroyed. CONCLUSIONS. Losses are massive: LI, all crew and
Normandy, Earth some other homeworlds and entire species eliminated, fleet
nearly destroyed. All Human and almost all of other species, main characters
died.

Shepard refuses
to sacrifice. Shepard lives the citadel and has a last battle with Harbinger
and some other reapers. But to destroy Harbinger Shepard must die. After
Harbinger eliminated reapers can’t fight jointly, it looks like they loosing connection
with each other, and suffer defeat, the rests of reapers forces living the
galaxy to never come back. Losses: Shepard, LI, Normandy with all crew, died in
battle, survivors among at thousands, Humans and many other species completely
eliminated, fleet completely destroyed. All main characters of every species
died.

 

MIDDLE ENDING, All the same, but Shepard wounded
not so hard. If he had only one LI, wound of LI isn’t fatal; some soldier takes
her away to the shuttle. Wound of other squad mate still fatal.

Shepard sacrifice. CONTROL - Reapers leave but
Shepard’s mind can’t resist forever and soon reapers will come back. SYNTHESIS -
everyone turns to half-synthetic, no diversity between species. CONTROL – all AI
destroyed. CONCLUSIONS. Losses big: Earth the only destroyed homeworld, but
humans not eliminated. All species survive but losses are big. Shepard can save
LI and Normandy crew only in sacrifice ending. Later LI gives birth to Shepard’s
child.

Shepard refuses to sacrifice. Losses: Shepard killed
in battle, before death he sees destruction of Normandy with all crew and LI on
board. Losses are much bigger than in sacrifice ending.

 

MIDDLE-GOOD ENDING, LI isn’t wounded, squad
mate take a light wound and they both can go further with Shepard. In case of
sacrifice ending, if he had only one LI, she can do sacrifice with Shepard, but
Shepard (if he is full paragon or renegade) can stop her. If Shepard stops LI later
she gives birth to Shepard’s child.

Shepard sacrifice. CONTROL - Reapers leave, but
will come back after 50k years. SYNTHESIS – organics saving their diversity,
but still have half-synthetic DNA. CONTROL – all AI destroyed. CONCLUSIONS. All
species survive with light losses, homeworlds not destroyed, all main
characters survive. Normandy not destroyed, crew survive.

Shepard refuses to sacrifice. CONCLUSIONS. Shepard
in last battle with Harbinger can save LI and die, or stay alive and let LI to die.
If Shepard saves her, later she gives birth to Shepard’s child. All species
survive with average losses, some members of crew die.

AFTER ANY MIDDLE ENDING RELAYS AND CITADEL STAYS
UNHARMED.

AFTER ANY MIDDLE ENDING GOES SCENE WHICH SHOW
CONCLUSIONS OF OUR CHOICES, GREAT EPIC SCENE WITH SHEPARD’S FUNERAL, STATUE OF
SHEPARD ON CITADEL, FRIENDS AND LI WITH SHEPARD’S CHILD IF THEY SURVIVE. FINAL
SCENES DEPENDS ON ENDING YOU RECEIVED.

 

GOOD ENDING, No one wounded, Shepard still can sacrifice
himself and save a little bit more lives, but even if he refuses to sacrifice
losses not so big: all species survive, all homeworlds including Earth survive,
all main and secondary characters survive in last fight.

IF SHEPARD SACRIFICES HIMSELF SCENE WITH
FUNERAL LIKE IN MIDDLE-GOOD ENDING.

IF SHEPARD STAYS ALIVE, Harbinger and all
reapers on Earth eliminated, Shepard, Garrus and Liara (for example) stand
beside dead Harbinger. Garrus said something in his style; Shepard hugs Liara,
they just stand in silence, Garrus leave them alone and looking around.  London completely destroyed, turned to desert,
Shepard looking at Liara, then turns his eyes to horizon, there’s a sunrise. During
that scene Anderson and all soldiers who stay alive, gathered behind Shepard
back, but on distance of couple hundred meters, Normandy landing and all crew go
out of ship, Shepard standing with Liara and looking at sunrise, they talking
and don’t even hear anything, then Garrus returns them to real world in some
funny way. They turn around, shuttles with commanding officers of all species,
council, Hacket, Victus, Wrex and Grunt, Quarian admirals and etc. landing,
they all arrived to salute living legend.  

After that council presents a reward to Shepard
on the citadel, He says speech about peoples who given their lives….. Then it comes
with some epilogue.

It also will be great to see scene with Shepard’s
wedding………

 

Sunny beach Wrex, James, Ashley, Tali, Grunt, Garrus
and Shepard (and other Shepard’s friends) on the beach chairs talking, drinking
something, someone’s hands cover Shepard’s eyes from behind, it’s a little blue
asari, her  two sisters playing in the sand,
their mother goes out of the sea and come to Shepard. All company talking,
laughing, tells some stories. THE END


 

#10572
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RobinEJ wrote...

Did you see it?
http://pastebin.com/znYraLnF
http://i39.tinypic.com/1gnlw2.jpg
From 4chan?


W   O   W   .   .   . Posted Image

Sounds interesting, but...

Wow...

Going back on several established promises.

#10573
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That game was all about sad moments, I would say that only a few happy moments happened.
Thessia taken for the reapers and the reaction from Liara was totally sad.
All desperate actions against an enemy impossible to win.

Peace between Quarians and Gueths was something really cool nevertheless.

#10574
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So - are my crew dead? Is Shep dead? Basically - I want closure. I want to know what happened when we ran to that beam. I want to know what happened up top. I want to know why the Crucible looks like that little boy. And I want to know about what happened to the people on the Citadel, and Joker and all.

#10575
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SagaciousTien wrote...

So - are my crew dead? Is Shep dead? Basically - I want closure. I want to know what happened when we ran to that beam. I want to know what happened up top. I want to know why the Crucible looks like that little boy. And I want to know about what happened to the people on the Citadel, and Joker and all.


You can find out for the low, low price of 800 Microsoft points!