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[Mastone]

improperdancing wrote...

SagaciousTien wrote...

So - are my crew dead? Is Shep dead? Basically - I want closure. I want to know what happened when we ran to that beam. I want to know what happened up top. I want to know why the Crucible looks like that little boy. And I want to know about what happened to the people on the Citadel, and Joker and all.

You can find out for the low, low price of 800 Microsoft points!

No we don't think so, for 800 bioware points you can buy a different colored explosion, if you want tertiary colors please spend another 400 bioware points and you"ll get a lubrication kit  for free....

[kgbuller]

 I didn't think it was possible, Bioware. I've play every single game you've created. I loved the entire Baldur's Gate series, lost myself in Neverwinter's Nights, and got indoctrinated in the Mass Effect universe. But you managed to lose my loyalty in the last 10 minutes of Mass Effect 3!!  How do you do that? Over 100 hours of my well spent spare time was diminished to wasted effort!

Bioware and EA Games: If all companies understand now is the bottom line, understand this. If you think that I will spend an additional cent of my money for the privilege of a "better" ending in the form of DLC for ME3, think again.   Bioware has broken faith with me.  I've also cancelled my SWTOR account.  I will NEVER pre-purchase another title with the BioWare name on it until it's been judged by the community as worthy. 

I'm still a fan, but heart broken. As a company, you may not care, and the Internet trolls may have thier way...but at this point, I care as little as you did when this ending was conceived.  Truly a sad end to a great relationship. Best wishes. I hope you can come back around...

Modifié par kgbuller, 25 mars 2012 - 04:28 .

[Biokiipper]

Outstading game. I played more than a 1000 hours the whole series. The end could be longer, but its still ok...
DLCs must be made ASAP I think:

- One with some confrontation with Harbinger and the Reaper origin and all the reasons for their creation.

- Another with the consequences of the colector base decision.

- An end with total failure and cycle destruction, like shepard death on ME2.

- More cerberus fight and the origin of the modified soldiers.

- More missions to save Volus, Elcor, Hanar, Batarians and Drells.

- Mission in OMEGA, considering it was taken by cerberus.

-  Alternative event in the Harbinger ray.

- Mission to Save people on the Citadel when its taken by the reapers.

- Possibility to let Sheppard to live, or to flee in the last moment. Possibility to leave the relays working, so the alien fleets helping Earth dont get stuck in Sol System.

- Possibility of Sheppard to help Cerberus to achieve its goals.

- More characters, even if temporary for a mission only. Some or most could be dead from ME2 or missing. ( Tali, Garrus, Javik for those that doesnt get the DLC, Kaidan or Ashley if refused to enter Normandy.

Even if it costs more to the players, they will buy even complaining... I know I would...  =(

To leave the game like it is, is a strong kick in our lower areas... Please dont leave us hanging. Please moderator, send this to someone from the team that made the game.

[Tunrda]

I finished the game last night and I've never really posted. In fact I don't often post on forums because I feel my voice doesn't matter. But I have to vent a bit here, even if it is read or not.

I distinctly remember the first time you talk to Sovereign on Virmire. I actually immediately quit and reloaded an earlier save just to replay that part. I thought it was an awesome reveal. I loved the end of 2 with all the Reapers incoming, Harbinger leading the charge. (I was disappointed they all ended up looking the same in 3 despite what you see in 2.)

But in the end of the trilogy I felt cheated. Casey Hudson has said that you can't measure the end in A, B or C, which literally is what it ended up being. He also said that it could end in very different ways because it wasn't required to push the narrative. That never happened. It very much felt like it was a set up for a future series of games and so the narrative actually did get pushed into one direction (Relays all destroyed).

Mass Effect 2 had more control over the end given to the player than the trilogy end. Shepard could die, MY decisions affected who on my team lived. 3 ends with no real confrontation with the perceived enemy (Harbinger! I wanted my moment to gloat!) an odd Illusive man scene and my actions of uniting the galaxy seemingly worthless. I never saw the results of my forces that I got. Even the total military strength seemed worthless, with the ending it was hard to even care about Earth being glassed or saved given the other repercussions. Killing the council or not was irrelevant since you ended with a new council. Saving the collector base or not only netted you with some war assets as far as I can tell. So these monumental game end decisions are only giving me war assets, I should at least see it matter.

I had plans to finish my playthrough and go back to ME1 and start a new character and go through all three again. Now, I can't bring myself to do that. I honestly felt like I wasted my time ending the series and that hurts. This was easily my favorite Sci-Fi epic. But the forced ending is not what we wanted. We as fans were telling the story of our shepard and at the last minute the story is taken from us like never before. That's a true shame.

Modifié par Tunrda, 25 mars 2012 - 04:33 .

[dafty duck]

I can only hope these leaks are fake, if so it really is a case of going from bad to worse...............................

[TheRealMithril]

improperdancing wrote...

TheRealMithril wrote...

improperdancing wrote...

Are you deliberately being dense?  There have been 3.5 physical copies of Mass Effect 3 shipped to retail outlets,

Be civil, personal attacks aren't viewed lightly here. Also, you're speculating. Unless you are actually directly connected to the sales numbers of EA, and where those sales go. I will treat your 'knowledge' for what it really is, speculating. This discussion is ended.

www.webpronews.com/mass-effect-3-ships-3-5-million-in-first-few-days-2012-03

There you go.  Proof that I wasn't speculating.  Not that you couldn't have spent ten seconds looking it up yourself instead of making a weak rebuttle.

The important quote from the above article:
"Note that the 3.5 million figure is shipped, not sold."

http://www.theinquir...-million-copies There you go. Note 'sells'. I'll stop this. I have better things to do than battling semantics.

[bossmonkeykj]

I don't mind an unhappy/ambiguous ending (in fact, I prefer it) or not knowing the details of what happened to the crew. The game ending with the father and child further seems to accent the sacrifice that shep+crew made for future generations. It would seem trivial to add clips spelling out what happened to each race afterward, or making sure we could see they lived happily ever after. I like the idea that future humans know that there are these fantastic species out there that they can't see until they relearn the technology of the mass relays for themselves. I DO mind the the stranded victory fleet, the shore party teleportation into the Normandy, Joker's shameful retreat, thematic conflicts, and the lack of variety in endings. It would have been nice, too to see the huge decisions we had made represented in the final attack by more than just a military assets number.

[Legion91]

hey i have just completed mass effect 3 and was looking to ask a couple of things

if they have been asked and answed previousy i apologise but it takesme forever on nthis pc to scroll through posts sorry

i have just finished the game now and while the endings were all pretty poor i choose the destruction one
at the end when it shows joker getting out of the ship ashley came out with him ( my love interest) and too my dissapointment javik the prothean did aswell and not garrus.
do we get a say on who survives or is it just random becuase i was boys with garrus from the beginning, done all the dialog with him, let him win the shooting contest you know everything so i was dissapointed when it didnt show if he survived.

also how the hell are we supposed to know what happened to the rest of the crew and thefighters on earth, do we just assume they all died??, i had liara and ashley as my squad so how was it ashley was on the ship and liara wasnt?

and what do you all think about the indocrination theory?

also is there any news about upcoming DLC or future games?

[Giorgoth]

Let's see. The whole game was fantastic-epic but indeed, the ending was a little bit disheartening. Anyway, Garrus's lines were a total success. Everything in the game was top-stuff but I have to say that Tuchanka was really my favourite chapter in the game. Hope that the ending was a bad dream.

[StarcloudSWG]

Here's another thought.

What is the goal of the Mass Effect story, from start to finish?
What do Spectres do and why do they do it?

The answer, simply is that Spectres defend against and stop threats to galactic civilisation; that's why they were created, to be the special agents that head off threats before they blow up into greater instability.

What about the Reapers? you say. Isn't the goal of the story to stop the Reapers?

To which I counter, "Why is it important to stop the Reapers?" First, they're alien monsters that destroy sapient life, but just as importantly, they're the biggest possible threat to galactic civilization ever.

Stopping the Reapers is a task that must be accomplished, but it is not the goal for which Shepard strives. If the Reapers were willing to cooexist with galactic civilization, there would be no need to stop them.

The goal of the Mass Effect story is, therefore, to save galactic civilization from the Reapers. Ultimately, we're forced by Casey Hudson's decisions to *destroy galactic civilization* to stop the Reapers. No matter what we do, then, in the end, Shepard FAILS.

And forcing the main character to fail is NOT how you end a trilogy.

[bossmonkeykj]

kgbuller wrote...

 I didn't think it was possible, Bioware. I've play every single game you've created. I loved the entire Baldur's Gate series, lost myself in Neverwinter's Nights, and got indoctrinated in the Mass Effect universe. But you managed to lose my loyalty in the last 10 minutes of Mass Effect 3!!  How do you do that? Over 100 hours of my well spent spare time was diminished to wasted effort!

Bioware and EA Games: If all companies understand now is the bottom line, understand this. If you think that I will spend an additional cent of my money for the privilege of a "better" ending in the form of DLC for ME3, think again.   Bioware has broken faith with me.  I've also cancelled my SWTOR account.  I will NEVER pre-purchase another title with the BioWare name on it until it's been judged by the community as worthy. 

I'm still a fan, but heart broken. As a company, you may not care, and the Internet trolls may have thier way...but at this point, I care as little as you did when this ending was conceived.  Truly a sad end to a great relationship. Best wishes. I hope you can come back around...

They fumble the ending, and suddenly the hours upon hours of quality entertainment they've provided to you mean nothing?

[myEVILi]

ENDING!

Questions I had after finishing the game:

1) what happed with the Krogen Eve and Wreav?
2) what happed with Aria and Omega?
3) why was the Normandy flying through a Mass Relay?
4) how will humanity rebuild?
5) What will Meranda/Garrus/Tali/James/Kaiden/Ashley/etc do now?

It just seems like there was a lack of detail overall with the endings.  I was at least hoping for a few paragraphs explaining the consequences of my actions, similar to Dragon Age: Origins.

In terms of gameplay, i was hoping the ending would be slighty different and not just the most combat intense level.  Kind of add and element of strategy at the very end  I want to assign the war assets I collected roles in the final conflict, which would be showen was cinema.  Take for example the Geth Prime/Krogen/Asari Commandos I recruited.  I want to be able to select them to go to the front lines and then watch a cinema of them fighting.  Opposite, I can select them in a support role and then watch them defending civilains trying to escape.

Expectations:

In the end, Earth is covered with various alien races and Reaper Tech.  I pictured who is left on earth rebuilding the Mass Relay's and forming a new galactic government with Earth being like a new Citadel.

[luci90]

RobinEJ wrote...

Did you see it?
http://pastebin.com/znYraLnF
http://i39.tinypic.com/1gnlw2.jpg
From 4chan?

Good god.

I don't frequent /v/ and I don't know if it's true or not...

But I really wouldn't put this past them.

[TheRealMithril]

If any of that is true, then that leak messed up a lot of planning. And it makes the endings even worse. Surviving re-entry? ... mmm. yeah.. that's really plausible.... not. And 'spacescraper'.. are they suggesting the piece of the citadel is large enough to go from earth to space? .. Not only would gravity crush it like twigs, have they any idea how far up space really is from the ground?
Scrap that notion, scrap it now.. A building of that scale would affect the rotation of earth itself, as it's very orbit. My god. And Mass Shift?.. that would really confirm that they indeed planned to kill the Mass Effect IP. I well and truly hope none of that is true. I really do hope that.

Modifié par TheRealMithril, 25 mars 2012 - 05:27 .

[The Laird]

Bioware, I just don't get it. You create the greatest game series of all time, a series which prides itself on choices and storyline, and then, literally, in the last 10 minutes you say, forget this! Now if someone from Bioware is reading this, then you are aware that this opinion is widely shared. Therefore I strongly advise you to do something about this ending. And if you are afraid to go back and change because it will be embarrassing for the company, have confidence that the gaming community will greatly reward you for your efforts, and conversely, will burn you if you ignore the demands. I give you this advice in good faith.

[jeweledleah]

bossmonkeykj wrote...

kgbuller wrote...

 I didn't think it was possible, Bioware. I've play every single game you've created. I loved the entire Baldur's Gate series, lost myself in Neverwinter's Nights, and got indoctrinated in the Mass Effect universe. But you managed to lose my loyalty in the last 10 minutes of Mass Effect 3!!  How do you do that? Over 100 hours of my well spent spare time was diminished to wasted effort!

Bioware and EA Games: If all companies understand now is the bottom line, understand this. If you think that I will spend an additional cent of my money for the privilege of a "better" ending in the form of DLC for ME3, think again.   Bioware has broken faith with me.  I've also cancelled my SWTOR account.  I will NEVER pre-purchase another title with the BioWare name on it until it's been judged by the community as worthy. 

I'm still a fan, but heart broken. As a company, you may not care, and the Internet trolls may have thier way...but at this point, I care as little as you did when this ending was conceived.  Truly a sad end to a great relationship. Best wishes. I hope you can come back around...

They fumble the ending, and suddenly the hours upon hours of quality entertainment they've provided to you mean nothing?

www.ted.com/talks/daniel_kahneman_the_riddle_of_experience_vs_memory.html

[Legion91]

Legion91 wrote...

hey i have just completed mass effect 3 and was looking to ask a couple of things

if they have been asked and answed previousy i apologise but it takesme forever on nthis pc to scroll through posts sorry

i have just finished the game now and while the endings were all pretty poor i choose the destruction one
at the end when it shows joker getting out of the ship ashley came out with him ( my love interest) and too my dissapointment javik the prothean did aswell and not garrus.
do we get a say on who survives or is it just random becuase i was boys with garrus from the beginning, done all the dialog with him, let him win the shooting contest you know everything so i was dissapointed when it didnt show if he survived.

also how the hell are we supposed to know what happened to the rest of the crew and thefighters on earth, do we just assume they all died??, i had liara and ashley as my squad so how was it ashley was on the ship and liara wasnt?

and what do you all think about the indocrination theory?

also is there any news about upcoming DLC or future games?

any answers from anybody?

[improperdancing]

Legion91 wrote...

Legion91 wrote...

hey i have just completed mass effect 3 and was looking to ask a couple of things

if they have been asked and answed previousy i apologise but it takesme forever on nthis pc to scroll through posts sorry

i have just finished the game now and while the endings were all pretty poor i choose the destruction one
at the end when it shows joker getting out of the ship ashley came out with him ( my love interest) and too my dissapointment javik the prothean did aswell and not garrus.
do we get a say on who survives or is it just random becuase i was boys with garrus from the beginning, done all the dialog with him, let him win the shooting contest you know everything so i was dissapointed when it didnt show if he survived.

also how the hell are we supposed to know what happened to the rest of the crew and thefighters on earth, do we just assume they all died??, i had liara and ashley as my squad so how was it ashley was on the ship and liara wasnt?

and what do you all think about the indocrination theory?

also is there any news about upcoming DLC or future games?

any answers from anybody?

There are no answers to give.  Who comes out of the Normandy is dependent on which ending you take and who your love interest is, I believe.  For example, I chose the Destruction ending as well and my LI was Liara, and she got out of the Normandy with Joker and Javik.

And no, you don't get any answers as to the fate of the rest of your crew regardless of which ending you select.  That's part of why people are so angry about the ending.

Modifié par improperdancing, 25 mars 2012 - 05:27 .

[jeweledleah]

Legion91 wrote...

Legion91 wrote...

hey i have just completed mass effect 3 and was looking to ask a couple of things

if they have been asked and answed previousy i apologise but it takesme forever on nthis pc to scroll through posts sorry

i have just finished the game now and while the endings were all pretty poor i choose the destruction one
at the end when it shows joker getting out of the ship ashley came out with him ( my love interest) and too my dissapointment javik the prothean did aswell and not garrus.
do we get a say on who survives or is it just random becuase i was boys with garrus from the beginning, done all the dialog with him, let him win the shooting contest you know everything so i was dissapointed when it didnt show if he survived.

also how the hell are we supposed to know what happened to the rest of the crew and thefighters on earth, do we just assume they all died??, i had liara and ashley as my squad so how was it ashley was on the ship and liara wasnt?

and what do you all think about the indocrination theory?

also is there any news about upcoming DLC or future games?

any answers from anybody?

its always, Joker, LI and either EDI (blue and green magic)  or  it seems to default to Javik if you had him.  supposedly, with high EMS, all your squadmates survived and magicaly teleported to the Normandy.  announcement about future of Mass Effect incoming in april, most likely april 6 during PAX panel.

as for everything else - we don't know, and indocrination theory is currently a fan attempt to make any sence of the endings that don't make sence.

[Bone3ater]

I just feel the need to add this.

Never before did a game manage to depress me actually. That's a huge accomplishment.

I just tried to play a little bit coop in ME3 but after seeing the login screen and hearing the music my throat clenched real hard and I almost shed manly tears again, thinking about the inevitable ending. Shepard, beeing unable to see Liara ever again and vice versa.

God damnit, especially after being loyal to her throughout the trilogy and having the perfect romance scene with her right before the last mission. <3

I'm afraid to play my other Shepards with their romances...

But it's not just that. Every other connection you established is just "gone".

I know I'm whining, but the fact that I do, is still surprising me, because BioWare actually made it happen that I have such a strong emotional response to the games conclusion, I'm actually depressed. Like I said, that's quite an accomplishment.

I would love to have some kind of closure that makes sense though, not some old man talking to his grandchild how long ago this was and he was "The Shepard" (yeah right) blabedeyblahblah, I couldn't care less. The game just told me everyone I ever knew in the games is dead and I have to think that Shepard just died never seeing anyone again, or ever be seen again (taking a sharp breath in an extra scene, real classy, like that explains anything).

I hoped through the whole game that I would beat impossible odds but somehow I would get out of it, more like ME2's ending, which was friggin EPIC! Don't mind the deaths, really gives it a mature atmosphere and shows how dire everything actually really is.
I didn't need like cozywozy scenes with my LI, some people have a false understanding of "happy ending" I think.

How about a "happy ending" in the mature theme of ME3? I don't see why that wouldn't be possible.

Everyone else is still dead, Mordin, Thane, Legion, Anderson (this scene was so epic...), The Illusive Man, millions of people on thousands of worlds, so the main theme about sacrifice still holds true, regardless of a "happy" ending.

Maybe it's just my depression, but I think in the end everyone,or at least a lot of people, are rooting for a good ending. Not cheesy like LotR in the movie where everybody was so happy they almost farted rainbows.

Just a good ending for Shep

Hope someone at BioWare reads all this stuff...

Marauder Shields, help us in these hours of need.

Modifié par Bone3ater, 25 mars 2012 - 05:54 .

[Tunrda]

Honestly, This video is long but is amazing and puts it all out there perfectly.

http://angryjoeshow....fect-3s-ending/

[kgbuller]

jeweledleah wrote...

bossmonkeykj wrote...

kgbuller wrote...

 I didn't think it was possible, Bioware. I've play every single game you've created. I loved the entire Baldur's Gate series, lost myself in Neverwinter's Nights, and got indoctrinated in the Mass Effect universe. But you managed to lose my loyalty in the last 10 minutes of Mass Effect 3!!  How do you do that? Over 100 hours of my well spent spare time was diminished to wasted effort!

Bioware and EA Games: If all companies understand now is the bottom line, understand this. If you think that I will spend an additional cent of my money for the privilege of a "better" ending in the form of DLC for ME3, think again.   Bioware has broken faith with me.  I've also cancelled my SWTOR account.  I will NEVER pre-purchase another title with the BioWare name on it until it's been judged by the community as worthy. 

I'm still a fan, but heart broken. As a company, you may not care, and the Internet trolls may have thier way...but at this point, I care as little as you did when this ending was conceived.  Truly a sad end to a great relationship. Best wishes. I hope you can come back around...

They fumble the ending, and suddenly the hours upon hours of quality entertainment they've provided to you mean nothing?

www.ted.com/talks/daniel_kahneman_the_riddle_of_experience_vs_memory.html

In a nutshell, yes.  I don't deny that these games have been fun while playing them...but to be brutalized in the end after such heavy investment?  I'm not sure that betrayal is not too strong a word.  If you had been reading the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy, and then, upon turning a final page, J.R.R Tolkien wrote, "You die, she dies...everybody dies." (Nod to "Heavy Metal", ) wouldn't you feel cheated?  So, yah...it's like a fantastic romantic relationship, crowned with the worst possible breakup where ugly things are said which can't be taken back...what would the average person (not someone who will disagree with me to maintain thier point, that is) remember of that relationship? The romance or the break-up? I think most people, or those who are at least being honest with themselves, will say the later.

BioWare broke thier promise.  They did it with Dragon Age 2.  Star Wars: The Old Republic, and now, ME3... In my opinion.

[Chaosbrain]

Bone3ater wrote...

I just feel the need to add this.

Never before did a game manage to depress me actually. That's a huge accomplishment.

I just tried to paly a little bit coop in ME3 but after seeing the login screen and hearing the music my throat clenched real hard and I almost shed manly tears again, thinking about the inevitable ending. Shepard, beeing unable to see Liara ever again and vice versa.

God damnit, especially after being loyal to her throughout the trilogy and having the perfect romance scene with her right before the last mission. <3

I'm afraid to play my other Shepards with their romances...

But it's not just that. Every other connection you established is just "gone".

I know I'm whining, but the fact that I do, is still surprising me, because BioWare actually made it happen that I have such a strong emotional response to the games conclusion, I'm actually depressed. Like I said, that's quite an accomplishment.

I would love to have some kind of closure that makes sense though, not some old man talking to his grandchild how long ago this was and he was "The Shepard" (yeah right) blabedeyblahblah, I couldn't care less. The game just told me everyone I ever knew in the games is dead and I have to think that Shepard just died never seeing anyone again, or ever be seen again (taking a sharp breath in an extra scene, real classy, like that explains anything).

I hoped through the whole game that I would beat impossible odds but somehow I would get out of it, more like ME2's ending, which was friggin EPIC! Don't mind the deaths, really gives it a mature atmosphere and shows how dire everything actually really is.
I didn't need like cozywozy scenes with my LI, some people have a false understanding of "happy ending" I think.

How about a "happy ending" in the mature theme of ME3? I don't see why that wouldn't be possible.

Everyone else is still dead, Mordin, Thane, Legion, Anderson (this scene was so epic...), The Illusive Man, millions of people on thousands of worlds, so the main theme about sacrifice still holds true, regardless of a "happy" ending.

Maybe it's just my depression, but I think in the end everyone,or at least a lot of people, are rooting for a good ending. Not cheesy like LotR in the movie where everybody was so happy they almost farted rainbows.

Just a good ending for Shep

Hope someone at BioWare reads all this stuff...

that's EXACTLY what i feel and think...

[luci90]

Bone3ater wrote...

I know I'm whining...

No.

No you are not whining.
You are voicing your opinion on something you feel strongly about, in a grown up manner.

If anyone tells you different, punch them in the face.

Hold the line.

[EnforcerWRX7]

There is a reason the endings are all similar.

Bioware got the go-ahead to continue to series. They had to create endings that were basically one in the same so no matter which ending you choose, they can write it into the next DLC or game.

They shoe-horned the ending onto the game to force the continuation for the story.

Thats why the ending is so bad and incomplete. It was a last minute about face from the original plans to the game.

I wish the whole last sequence was a dream, but it wasn't. It was to force the next chapter. How sad is that? How pathetic is that? EA and the almighty dollar wrote the worst ending in video game history.

Vote with your wallet people. Don't buy what they are selling.

Modifié par EnforcerWRX7, 25 mars 2012 - 05:40 .