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[Nette]

EnforcerWRX7 wrote...

We want a real conclusion.

We want an end to the hero's journey. Nothing less Bioware. We are still here.

Yes, an end to our hero's journey. Please take a look at this Bioware: http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/  

Read it and take it to heart. We love the Mass Effect universe, commander Shepard and all the wonderful characters you gave us. This amazing saga deserves a proper ending, worthy of the Mass Effect name.

[Legion91]

bossmonkeykj wrote...

Legion91 wrote...

Cross429 wrote...

Legion91 wrote...

What i dont get is if thats true and you are not in your dellusion the citadel is clearly blown up so why would the reapers not be destroyed, i mean once the catalyst is destoyed surely they are gone, alos you see scenes off the reapers on earth dying.

Also what is that pile of rubble he is under?, unless i am mistaking the crucible was in space so therefore he would be floating in space if he was intact and not under rubble?
which leaves me with this question, was the whole ending indeed a dream and him stopping himself from becoming indocrinated and has nothing to do with destroying the reapers, it was just a personal mind battle and the real war is still going on??  and possible DLC has already been set up to give us a proper ending?

maybe im just not following the story right here but thats what im getting, any help would be much appreciated here

Sure: Shep has been struggling with Indoc throughout the game, evidenced by the growing stress he feels and the repeated mentions of Shep possibly being co-opted throughout the game: Chakwas checking the implants, Ashley wondering, Joker noting the Shep could still be inside the Geth collective and not know it, James wondering "what that hum is" when Shep is nearby (per the codex a symptom of Indoc), the "oily shadows" per the Rachni explanation of Indoc and the disembodied voices per the codex in Shep's dreams, etc.

At the end, when he's that close to Harbinger and struck by the beam, the final Indoc battle begins. After that, Shep is passed out - hallucinating. He's still in the rubble in London. There's a ton of evidence suggesting that everything after that point is hallucinatory, not simply limited to the "dream like" UI and the huge number of plot holes. Documented fairly well here:  http://m.fanfiction.net/s/7920772/2/.

Bottom line: Shep is unconscious on earth after the Harbinger beam strike. Explaining your above concerns.

ok sothat opens up DLC options for us to buy something that would be shepard getting up out the rubble and then the final war happening andhimactuallt going to the crucible to stop it.

but what if you choose a different ending and you become indocrinated, what would happen then?game over for you??

I would imagine so.  I'm not sure why you're asking like we know for sure.  No one knows yet.

well im sorry, i am just asking because i am seriously pi**ed right now about the ending and thought surely someone online would have some answers but it looks like bioware have left us hanging completley

just out of curiosity do many people believe the indocrination theory?? and have bioware said anything about the theory or about any future DLC that will give us a proper ending?

[Omnike]

bossmonkeykj wrote...

Omnike wrote...

bossmonkeykj wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Omnike wrote...

clanqui wrote...

I liked the ending. I chose synthesis, which was truer to my paragon shepherds values, but they all worked. I also liked the way that ending gave you a sort of joker and EDI as adam and eve. Honestly, I don't understand how anyone could have gone into the game without understanding that this was a tragedy. I guess we've really lost our taste for them.

What... I... no. We went in thinking this was the opposite of a tragedy. It was a story about hope. Hell, even the end of ME1 was corny enough to have Shepard come out victorious standing on a piece of Soverign with triumphant music playing in the background. And, let's assume it was a tragedy from start to finish. It still dosn't explain the plot holes that I have not seen ANYONE defend without the Indoc theory.

 I'm still trying to think how can one see Mass Effect as tragedy.  I guess being the first cycle in... i have no idea how long, I'm not sure even reapers remember, anyways first cycle to actualy have a fighting chance, to managed repeated setbacks to reapers, managing to broker alliances between bitter enemies, managing to save lives against all odds.. is a tragedy?

mass effect certainly was an action drama.  but it was NOT a tragedy.

I also slightly see Shepard's death in the light that Anderson puts it, when he said he felt like he hadn't sat down in forever.  He finally gets to rest.

Eternal rest brings back the argument of faith. Not everyone is faithful and believe in "eternal rest". And in no way am I bashing you for believing that. Which brings us back to this fitting your story, but not mine. I'd like (not need) a bit more closure to my Shepard than death.

I'm an atheist, and pretty hardcore about it.  so I don't believe in an afterlife.  But a romantic as well, as you've seen here.  finally getting to rest in death seems poetic to me.

Well, I guess it boils down to opinions again. I've said before that I'm okay with people liking the ending. I'm just not okay with people saying that the ending clearly went over my head and then can't continue to explain the confusion in it. Not saying you're one of them. In fact, I don't really know where you stand on the endings.

[bossmonkeykj]

EVERYONE NEEDS TO HURRY UP AND BEAT THE GAME SO BIOWARE CAN STOP TEASING US AND GIVE US THE REAL ENDINGS ALREADY JEEZ!

[dvd1154]

the gm of bioware says will hear from them in april about new content we have to most likely have to pay which is bs we want the endings that we work for not a choice a,b or c ending and we don't want to pay for that content which was your plan all along bleed the people for money greedy greedy

[jeweledleah]

bossmonkeykj wrote...
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I'm an atheist, and pretty hardcore about it.  so I don't believe in an afterlife.  But a romantic as well, as you've seen here.  finally getting to rest in death seems poetic to me.

we have a very different notion of romance.  i don't find death romantic. 

[bossmonkeykj]

Omnike wrote...

bossmonkeykj wrote...

Omnike wrote...

bossmonkeykj wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Omnike wrote...

clanqui wrote...

I liked the ending. I chose synthesis, which was truer to my paragon shepherds values, but they all worked. I also liked the way that ending gave you a sort of joker and EDI as adam and eve. Honestly, I don't understand how anyone could have gone into the game without understanding that this was a tragedy. I guess we've really lost our taste for them.

What... I... no. We went in thinking this was the opposite of a tragedy. It was a story about hope. Hell, even the end of ME1 was corny enough to have Shepard come out victorious standing on a piece of Soverign with triumphant music playing in the background. And, let's assume it was a tragedy from start to finish. It still dosn't explain the plot holes that I have not seen ANYONE defend without the Indoc theory.

 I'm still trying to think how can one see Mass Effect as tragedy.  I guess being the first cycle in... i have no idea how long, I'm not sure even reapers remember, anyways first cycle to actualy have a fighting chance, to managed repeated setbacks to reapers, managing to broker alliances between bitter enemies, managing to save lives against all odds.. is a tragedy?

mass effect certainly was an action drama.  but it was NOT a tragedy.

I also slightly see Shepard's death in the light that Anderson puts it, when he said he felt like he hadn't sat down in forever.  He finally gets to rest.

Eternal rest brings back the argument of faith. Not everyone is faithful and believe in "eternal rest". And in no way am I bashing you for believing that. Which brings us back to this fitting your story, but not mine. I'd like (not need) a bit more closure to my Shepard than death.

I'm an atheist, and pretty hardcore about it.  so I don't believe in an afterlife.  But a romantic as well, as you've seen here.  finally getting to rest in death seems poetic to me.

Well, I guess it boils down to opinions again. I've said before that I'm okay with people liking the ending. I'm just not okay with people saying that the ending clearly went over my head and then can't continue to explain the confusion in it. Not saying you're one of them. In fact, I don't really know where you stand on the endings.

When I first saw the ending, I was pretty meh about it.  Like I said, there were elements of it I liked, like the romantic notion of knowing there were fantastic worlds and civilizations up in the stars that you couldn't reach until you learned the secrets of the universe for yourself because the mass relays were destroyed.  But didn't like much else about it.  I especially didn't like when I found out all the endings were the same, and the plotholes with the stranded victory fleet and teleporting shore party onto the normandy, and joker running away.
The reason I'm not upset about it now though is because I'm completely convinced that this is all a ruse, and shepard is indoctrinated.  And if that's the case, I am blown away by how genius this is.

Modifié par bossmonkeykj, 26 mars 2012 - 12:50 .

[varnol]

Omnike wrote...
I don't think that because we're unexperienced in the Sci-Fi field has ANYtHING to do with it. It's because we know that a story should come to an understandable end. Especially when they said "We can make vastly different endings because this is the end of everything". Besides, I presented you with a good number of the confusions, and you didn't explain them. So please, with your Sci-Fi knowledge, go back and explain the confusions. I'm open minded and I'm totally willing to hear you explain them.

No, not all good stories have and should come to an understandable end. That is where we differ. To me, good story ends with questions, but leaves you strongly motivated, emotionally. That is the case with ME. I believe I had answered your questions BUT i might have missed your new post. If i get the chance, I'd like to answer them tomorrow, if just for the brain exercise.

jeweledleah wrote...

@ Varnol and boosmonkey. I don't understand how your minds work. I cannot relate. at all. I do not see it your way, I do not see the point of making an idol out of man and i do not understand why a hero cannot be seen as hero by later generations and still live normal life past their heroic deeds. I don't understand why it has to be mutually exclusive and I don't understand how its romantic.

I don't want to make any assumptions about your age, but I have outgrown these notions of "romance" and tragic heroes and idolization for a long time now.

It's just more epic. I mean, we KNOW Shepard was human. We saw him being human. In battle, in bars, with his LI. BUT becoming more than human is MORE epic. And, apparently, so is dying. From all the games I ever played - and from all the books I ever read - the stories ending with either two - they end the story at the Apex of hero's glory. He never grew old and cranky, he never made any more mistakes, he never was bested... I guess this kind of ending gives the hero some kind of immortality - the best of what he was lives on - and the weak and ugly parts are forgotten. I don't think you can argue with the fact that immortality is greater then getting old an cripple? I mean - our brain works that way - the ending where hero dies or becomes inhuman are more tragic and more epic. The ones where he gets to watch his children grow up are also the ones where he himself becomes less of what he used to be.

That's said, I would support different endings - i.e. choosing to sacrifice half of the galaxy but survive or save all of it, sacrificing your human body - BUT from artistic point of view the second option is ... Better
MAYBE i see things like this because my Shepard didn't exactly die - he become the part of synthesis force - meaning, that in a sense, he still lives... In everything. For me, becoming god is as epic as it gets and my Shepard deserved nothing less.

Lochwood wrote...

Changing all the DNA in the galaxy is just illogical madness.

That's why my shep survived, but that's just nitpicking.

Well that depends of the way it was changed. Our DNA still wears marks of some supernovas, right? Now just imagine...
Oh well. Seeing how freely genetics and mutations been tossed in this series I see no real reason how this "falls off". It's still not as bad as Assasins' Creed "genetic memory"

Cross429 wrote...

A cursory ending that is largely the same in all iterations is directly opposite the spirit of this series. Shepard dies? Sure: understandable and expected, even if uncomfortable for some. But him dying in the same way irregardless of how you played all three games? With the same cursory cut scene?

Please. You seem like a Mass Effect fan. Let me ask you to imagine all the ways the series could have ended. You're saying that this is the most impactful, the most honoring to the series?

No. I'm just saying I really GOT it. Of course it could have been better. But I doubt I'd feel more satisfied. There's just a limit to how overwhelmed you can be. So for me it doesn't matter now. Maybe it will on my second walk-through.

[bossmonkeykj]

jeweledleah wrote...

bossmonkeykj wrote...
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I'm an atheist, and pretty hardcore about it.  so I don't believe in an afterlife.  But a romantic as well, as you've seen here.  finally getting to rest in death seems poetic to me.

we have a very different notion of romance.  i don't find death romantic. 

I think death is a very powerful literary tool and can be very romantic.  Just to be sure - you know I'm not talking about romantic as in love, right?  from the way you talk, I know you probably know that, but you never know on the internet.

[Cross429]

So:  "and possible DLC has already been set up to give us a proper ending?"  Yep - reckon that's the nail and that's the hammer.

Yep.

My guess, the sequence of events was as follows:

1) The planned to have the "dark energy" plot based on all the foreshadowing. Deemed too dark.
2) They adjusted to plan for a glorious ending after Shep was indoctrinated and beat it. Supported by the dev notes.
3) Deadlines approaching. EA breathing down their neck. Too short a dev cycle. Do a "tack on" ending at the last minute (Martin Sheen's ending voice over was re-scheduled to pretty much the beginning of the final "bug hunt" cycle of development - i.e. the end, like it or not).
4) Decide to do the "tack on" ending we now have to finish up, and resolve the story in DLC. Whether it's Indoc or somethin else.

What they didn't expect was that the "tack on's" would be negatively received to this degree. They always expected to "cause speculation," but never expected this degree of outrage.

Hence the responses from Dr. Ray, et. al.

[bryceax]

jeweledleah wrote...

bossmonkeykj wrote...
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I'm an atheist, and pretty hardcore about it.  so I don't believe in an afterlife.  But a romantic as well, as you've seen here.  finally getting to rest in death seems poetic to me.

we have a very different notion of romance.  i don't find death romantic. 

I'm an atheist as well, along with many with access to the internet, but I agree with him.  The notion of death seems like a welcome break from the hardships of life.  With that said, I absolutely think ME3 should have the OPTION for a happy ending

[Omnike]

bossmonkeykj wrote...
When I first saw the ending, I was pretty meh about it.  Like I said, there were elements of it I liked, like the romantic notion of knowing there were fantastic worlds and civilizations up in the stars that you couldn't reach until you learned the secrets of the universe for yourself because the mass relays were destroyed.  But didn't like much else about it.  I especially didn't like when I found out all the endings were the same, and the plotholes with the stranded victory fleet and teleporting shore party onto the normandy, and joker running away.
The reason I'm not upset about it now though is because I'm completely convinced that this is all a ruse, and shepard is indoctrinated.  And if that's the case, I am blown away by how genius this is.

I've been trying to sell myself on it, but I can't. Not without SOME sort of thing in it hinting at it. I guess that's all we have to wait for with this "Clarity DLC". Even if they weren't originally writing it from an Indoc point, they could save themselves from the maybe ****ty writing of it all and roll with it.

[bossmonkeykj]

bryceax wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

bossmonkeykj wrote...
.

I'm an atheist, and pretty hardcore about it.  so I don't believe in an afterlife.  But a romantic as well, as you've seen here.  finally getting to rest in death seems poetic to me.

we have a very different notion of romance.  i don't find death romantic. 

I'm an atheist as well, along with many with access to the internet, but I agree with him.  The notion of death seems like a welcome break from the hardships of life.  With that said, I absolutely think ME3 should have the OPTION for a happy ending

agreed.  the romantic death shouldn't be forced on people, when the game is all about choice, and obviously it doesn't appeal to some people.

[bossmonkeykj]

Omnike wrote...

bossmonkeykj wrote...
When I first saw the ending, I was pretty meh about it.  Like I said, there were elements of it I liked, like the romantic notion of knowing there were fantastic worlds and civilizations up in the stars that you couldn't reach until you learned the secrets of the universe for yourself because the mass relays were destroyed.  But didn't like much else about it.  I especially didn't like when I found out all the endings were the same, and the plotholes with the stranded victory fleet and teleporting shore party onto the normandy, and joker running away.
The reason I'm not upset about it now though is because I'm completely convinced that this is all a ruse, and shepard is indoctrinated.  And if that's the case, I am blown away by how genius this is.

I've been trying to sell myself on it, but I can't. Not without SOME sort of thing in it hinting at it. I guess that's all we have to wait for with this "Clarity DLC". Even if they weren't originally writing it from an Indoc point, they could save themselves from the maybe ****ty writing of it all and roll with it.

The reason I'm convinced is because I saw a youtube vid that showed them hinting at it.  there have been tweets from them hinting that something is coming, and that our reactions would be much different if we knew what was coming.

[Omnike]

bossmonkeykj wrote...

Omnike wrote...

bossmonkeykj wrote...
When I first saw the ending, I was pretty meh about it.  Like I said, there were elements of it I liked, like the romantic notion of knowing there were fantastic worlds and civilizations up in the stars that you couldn't reach until you learned the secrets of the universe for yourself because the mass relays were destroyed.  But didn't like much else about it.  I especially didn't like when I found out all the endings were the same, and the plotholes with the stranded victory fleet and teleporting shore party onto the normandy, and joker running away.
The reason I'm not upset about it now though is because I'm completely convinced that this is all a ruse, and shepard is indoctrinated.  And if that's the case, I am blown away by how genius this is.

I've been trying to sell myself on it, but I can't. Not without SOME sort of thing in it hinting at it. I guess that's all we have to wait for with this "Clarity DLC". Even if they weren't originally writing it from an Indoc point, they could save themselves from the maybe ****ty writing of it all and roll with it.

The reason I'm convinced is because I saw a youtube vid that showed them hinting at it.  there have been tweets from them hinting that something is coming, and that our reactions would be much different if we knew what was coming.

Any chance you saw this video?
 

This is the one that really convinced me it was possible.

[bossmonkeykj]

bossmonkeykj wrote...

bryceax wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

bossmonkeykj wrote...
.

I'm an atheist, and pretty hardcore about it.  so I don't believe in an afterlife.  But a romantic as well, as you've seen here.  finally getting to rest in death seems poetic to me.

we have a very different notion of romance.  i don't find death romantic. 

I'm an atheist as well, along with many with access to the internet, but I agree with him.  The notion of death seems like a welcome break from the hardships of life.  With that said, I absolutely think ME3 should have the OPTION for a happy ending

agreed.  the romantic death shouldn't be forced on people, when the game is all about choice, and obviously it doesn't appeal to some people.

to be honest, though, the gamer in me might not be able to resist saving shepard's life, and I may just betray the literary romantic in me for that  besides, a lot of people owe him a LOT of beer 

[bossmonkeykj]

Omnike wrote...

bossmonkeykj wrote...

Omnike wrote...

bossmonkeykj wrote...
When I first saw the ending, I was pretty meh about it.  Like I said, there were elements of it I liked, like the romantic notion of knowing there were fantastic worlds and civilizations up in the stars that you couldn't reach until you learned the secrets of the universe for yourself because the mass relays were destroyed.  But didn't like much else about it.  I especially didn't like when I found out all the endings were the same, and the plotholes with the stranded victory fleet and teleporting shore party onto the normandy, and joker running away.
The reason I'm not upset about it now though is because I'm completely convinced that this is all a ruse, and shepard is indoctrinated.  And if that's the case, I am blown away by how genius this is.

I've been trying to sell myself on it, but I can't. Not without SOME sort of thing in it hinting at it. I guess that's all we have to wait for with this "Clarity DLC". Even if they weren't originally writing it from an Indoc point, they could save themselves from the maybe ****ty writing of it all and roll with it.

The reason I'm convinced is because I saw a youtube vid that showed them hinting at it.  there have been tweets from them hinting that something is coming, and that our reactions would be much different if we knew what was coming.

Any chance you saw this video?
 

This is the one that really convinced me it was possible.

haha yup, that's the one I was talking about

[darkshadow136]

 Dear Bioware,

 

I feel any DLC regarding the revised ending should have Starchild removed entirely; adding
new parts to the existing ending will not work. Many were hoping to see a final
interaction and battle between Harbinger and Sheppard. Harbinger did not have
one line in the entirety of ME3.

 

What should have happened is the squad with Sheppard barely makes it to the beam and
teleports to the Citadel. Have the illusive man knock out everyone but Sheppard
and Anderson with his new powers keep basically the whole dialogue between
them, except make it easier for Sheppard to use a paragon or renegade option
for the illusive man killing himself.

After the illusive man’s death, have Harbinger reanimate his body as an avatar of
Harbinger, and have a interactive dialogue  between them leading to a final one on one battle between the two. At
the end of the battle have Sheppard use the crucible in either a passive way
that destroys the reapers, or as a massive thailix cannon to assist in killing the Reapers.

Have our choices throughout the series determine what ending we have. Keep the ending
diverse into for example 6 possibilities, including great, very good, good, neutral, bad,  very bad. If you want to
make more money on DLC create a DLC that offers players new to the franchise to
use an interactive comic like you did with ME2 and have them quickly make the
choices they would have if they had played the entire series.

The key thing here is we just want was promised in interviews and articles prior to
release, nothing more. A proper set of endings to up till now a Epic game franchise worthy of being called the 21st century Star wars saga.

 

Thank you Bioware for reading, and hopefully taking what I said to heart.

Modifié par darkshadow136, 26 mars 2012 - 01:01 .

[luci90]

Paulomedi wrote...

jmstevenson.wordpress.com/2012/03/22/all-that-matters-is-the-ending-part-2-mass-effect-3/

this article summarizes, again, why Mass Effect 3 is bad literature.

Please do see this one Bioware and fans.

Wow.

This is fantastic.

EVERYBODY READ THIS!

[oldretired60]

Even though the gameplay and story lines were great in all three games, they were ruined by the endings of Mass Effect 3.  It's depressing.  This is not a movie, it is a game, the hero doesn't  have to die.

We spent all this money and all this time just for these horrid endings.  What use was the romance, you might as well have left it out.  We've been done wrong, and this is the last game I am buying from Bioware/EA.  On top of that Origin doesn't work correctly and lots of people can't download or update.

Look at the internet, most everyone is unhappy with these endings.  Mass Effect 3, anticipated for so long, is ruined for a lot of us!   We wanted a HAPPY ending!  Obviously, you don't know your customers.

Modifié par oldretired60, 26 mars 2012 - 01:10 .

[bossmonkeykj]

oldretired60 wrote...

Even though the gameplay and story lines were great in all three games, they were ruined by the endings of Mass Effect 3.  It's depressing.  This is not a movie, it is a game, the hero doesn't  have to die.

We spent all this money and all this time just for these horrid ending.  What use was the romance, you might as well have left it out.  We've been done wrong, and this is the last game I am buying from Bioware/EA.  On top of that Origin doesn't work correctly and lots of people can't download or update.

Look at the internet, most everyone is unhappy with these endings.  Mass Effect 3, anticipated for so long, is ruined for a lot of us!   Obviously, you don't know your customers.

aggravating how entitled some consumers behave.

[Omnike]

bossmonkeykj wrote...

Omnike wrote...

bossmonkeykj wrote...

Omnike wrote...

bossmonkeykj wrote...
When I first saw the ending, I was pretty meh about it.  Like I said, there were elements of it I liked, like the romantic notion of knowing there were fantastic worlds and civilizations up in the stars that you couldn't reach until you learned the secrets of the universe for yourself because the mass relays were destroyed.  But didn't like much else about it.  I especially didn't like when I found out all the endings were the same, and the plotholes with the stranded victory fleet and teleporting shore party onto the normandy, and joker running away.
The reason I'm not upset about it now though is because I'm completely convinced that this is all a ruse, and shepard is indoctrinated.  And if that's the case, I am blown away by how genius this is.

I've been trying to sell myself on it, but I can't. Not without SOME sort of thing in it hinting at it. I guess that's all we have to wait for with this "Clarity DLC". Even if they weren't originally writing it from an Indoc point, they could save themselves from the maybe ****ty writing of it all and roll with it.

The reason I'm convinced is because I saw a youtube vid that showed them hinting at it.  there have been tweets from them hinting that something is coming, and that our reactions would be much different if we knew what was coming.

Any chance you saw this video?
 

This is the one that really convinced me it was possible.

haha yup, that's the one I was talking about

I think we can agree that if they follow these tips, they have an amazing ending on their hands and they have a chance to make everyone happy with the promised 16 endings.

[bossmonkeykj]

Omnike wrote...

bossmonkeykj wrote...

Omnike wrote...

bossmonkeykj wrote...

Omnike wrote...

bossmonkeykj wrote...
When I first saw the ending, I was pretty meh about it.  Like I said, there were elements of it I liked, like the romantic notion of knowing there were fantastic worlds and civilizations up in the stars that you couldn't reach until you learned the secrets of the universe for yourself because the mass relays were destroyed.  But didn't like much else about it.  I especially didn't like when I found out all the endings were the same, and the plotholes with the stranded victory fleet and teleporting shore party onto the normandy, and joker running away.
The reason I'm not upset about it now though is because I'm completely convinced that this is all a ruse, and shepard is indoctrinated.  And if that's the case, I am blown away by how genius this is.

I've been trying to sell myself on it, but I can't. Not without SOME sort of thing in it hinting at it. I guess that's all we have to wait for with this "Clarity DLC". Even if they weren't originally writing it from an Indoc point, they could save themselves from the maybe ****ty writing of it all and roll with it.

The reason I'm convinced is because I saw a youtube vid that showed them hinting at it.  there have been tweets from them hinting that something is coming, and that our reactions would be much different if we knew what was coming.

Any chance you saw this video?
 

This is the one that really convinced me it was possible.

haha yup, that's the one I was talking about

I think we can agree that if they follow these tips, they have an amazing ending on their hands and they have a chance to make everyone happy with the promised 16 endings.

like I said, I haven't been keeping up.  if they actually specifically promised 16 endings, that seems to me like damning evidence that this is INDEED a ruse, and we can expect some free DLC containing those endings.

[jeweledleah]

bossmonkeykj wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

bossmonkeykj wrote...
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I'm an atheist, and pretty hardcore about it.  so I don't believe in an afterlife.  But a romantic as well, as you've seen here.  finally getting to rest in death seems poetic to me.

we have a very different notion of romance.  i don't find death romantic. 

I think death is a very powerful literary tool and can be very romantic.  Just to be sure - you know I'm not talking about romantic as in love, right?  from the way you talk, I know you probably know that, but you never know on the internet.

I know.  riding off into the sunset I find romantic.  walking off to new adventures.  death?  death is too final.  it can be done as poignant (see Mordin).  but I cannot see it as romantic.

or epic (that's respones to other attempt to explain to me why its better that Shepard dies)

Shepard climbing out of the wreckage of sovereign was epic.  Shepard leaping with his omniblade to stab the Brute was cheesy.. but slightly epic.  Shepard dying?  about as epic as Conrad.

that said.  I can see death working for at least one of my Shepards (the one that romanced Thane and shares his fatalistic philosophy).  maybe more then one.  but not for mainshep.  or secondary one.  death for them is anticlimactic

and to reitterate.  Relays must remain in best possible endings.  one of the thing that pissed me off so much about Shepards death was just how pointless it was.  Shepard didn't save the galaxy.  he/she doomed it.  at least this cycle.  galactic reset ftw?

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I'm an atheist, and pretty hardcore about it.  so I don't believe in an afterlife.  But a romantic as well, as you've seen here.  finally getting to rest in death seems poetic to me.

we have a very different notion of romance.  i don't find death romantic. 

I think death is a very powerful literary tool and can be very romantic.  Just to be sure - you know I'm not talking about romantic as in love, right?  from the way you talk, I know you probably know that, but you never know on the internet.

I know.  riding off into the sunset I find romantic.  walking off to new adventures.  death?  death is too final.  it can be done as poignant (see Mordin).  but I cannot see it as romantic.

or epic (that's respones to other attempt to explain to me why its better that Shepard dies)

Shepard climbing out of the wreckage of sovereign was epic.  Shepard leaping with his omniblade to stab the Brute was cheesy.. but slightly epic.  Shepard dying?  about as epic as Conrad.

that said.  I can see death working for at least one of my Shepards (the one that romanced Thane and shares his fatalistic philosophy).  maybe more then one.  but not for mainshep.  or secondary one.  death for them is anticlimactic

and to reitterate.  Relays must remain in best possible endings.  one of the thing that pissed me off so much about Shepards death was just how pointless it was.  Shepard didn't save the galaxy.  he/she doomed it.  at least this cycle.  galactic reset ftw?

I agree, NOT dying can also be pretty epic.  Climbing out of Sovereign's wreckage, WAS f*cking epic.
when you say destroyed mass relays dooms the galaxy, are you talking about the stranded victory fleet?  cause I agree with you there, but I don't see how destroying the mass relays dooms the galaxy otherwise.  can't they survive just fine without the mass relays?