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[Solmanian]

I fully understand the anger people feel about ME3 turning in the last five minutes from sci-fi (like
Stargate and star trek) to space fantasy (like star wars). I also think that is the catalyst I the end would've looked like avina or Shepard it'd had been whole lot better than a complete stranger showing up and screaming: "bow before your synthetic god!" and shoves some pretty lousy choices down shepard throat.

[xtroguyver]

The ending was just terrible, none of my choices in me1-3 seemed to matter at the end. Please Bioware take note of the fan indoctrination theory, its a well thought out theory to enable you to fix this poor ending and let you add some really choices for the ending afterwards

I wanted to see Tali build her house on Rannock, Garus be a war hero, wrex lead the krogen into a new golden age etc.

But unless you guys sort out the ending asap I will not be buying any other dlc for ME3 and I will be boycotting dragon age 3

[Legion91]

how many fans of the game actually believe the indocrination theory was done on purpose??

i mean looking at althe facts it hast to have been done on purpose, right?

[Theronyll Itholien]

Legion91 wrote...

how many fans of the game actually believe the indocrination theory was done on purpose??

i mean looking at althe facts it hast to have been done on purpose, right?

Nonsense.

People are grasping at straws. If BioWare did the IT, they wouldn't have executed it so freaking poorly. In order for such a theory to hold any merit, the player should be able to look back on the series and think: Holy CRAP! Now it all makes sense! Shepard showed his first forms of indoctrination *there* and the indoctrination must have developed much further at *that* part!

There is no such thing, however. Instead Bioware just screwed up the ending with a deus ex machina that makes even less sense than the definition of it and the fans make up their own bullcrap theory just like conspiracy theorists do.

Also, BioWare wouldn't have done it with so little clues.. if there really are any if you try hard enough to find them. The N7 armor is an argument, for example, but BioWare cannot expect players to truly see that as a sign. Experienced gamers would notice the sudden change of armor, but would filter that away knowing the change was probably for design reasons: Shepard's unique walking animation wouldn't look right on custom armor, for example, or BioWare had to put too much time and money in remodeling every possible piece of armor to look like it's heavily damaged which is why they went for the default N7 armor.

The IT fails in every aspect. It's wishful thinking; a futile effort to find answers where none are given.

The ending sucks. Period. All we can do now is hope Bioware will bring out a DLC that changes it.

Modifié par Theronyll Itholien, 26 mars 2012 - 04:09 .

[epicalus]

well legion91.
i'm not so sure that they intended for the indoctrination theory .
there not saying that it is or isn't .
there deadly silent on the topic so far.
i've recently thought about endings as it goes for bioware.
KOTOR ended with the hero/villian to be , leaving everything behind to "fight something".
KOTOR 2 ended with the hero leaving to find Revan "to help fight something?"
dragon age ended with the warden leaving behind everything to "something" "prolly fight something"
dragon age 2 ended with the champion leaving everything behind to "fight something?"

so either there bringing in something completely new and so astronomical as the indoc theory .
or they just wanted it to end like a bomb exploding in our faces , or in this case the mass relays.
I Hope that it is the indoc theory but with BW being so .... quiet , all i can do is wait...wait...wait.
and maybe my kids can tell me one day how it ends .

promises are one thing and BW made allot of em concerning the ending .
and they pretty much pulled a Left 4 dead on its fans , just like valve did with the whole promise of LOADS of dlc.

Modifié par epicalus, 26 mars 2012 - 04:15 .

[Omnike]

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

Legion91 wrote...

how many fans of the game actually believe the indocrination theory was done on purpose??

i mean looking at althe facts it hast to have been done on purpose, right?

Nonsense.

People are grasping at straws. If BioWare did the IT, they wouldn't have executed it so freaking poorly. In order for such a theory to hold any merit, the player should be able to look back on the series and think: Holy CRAP! Now it all makes sense! Shepard showed his first forms of indoctrination *there* and the indoctrination must have developed much further at *that* part!

There is no such thing, however. Instead Bioware just screwed up the ending with a deus ex machina that makes even less sense than the definition of it and the fans make up their own bullcrap theory just like conspiracy theorists do.

Also, BioWare wouldn't have done it with so little clues.. if there really are any if you try hard enough to find them. The N7 armor is an argument, for example, but BioWare cannot expect players to truly see that as a sign. Experienced gamers would notice the sudden change of armor, but would filter that away knowing the change was probably for design reasons: Shepard's unique walking animation wouldn't look right on custom armor, for example, or BioWare had to put too much time and money in remodeling every possible piece of armor to look like it's heavily damaged which is why they went for the default N7 armor.

The IT fails in every aspect. It's wishful thinking; a futile effort to find answers where none are given.

The ending sucks. Period. All we can do now is hope Bioware will bring out a DLC that changes it.

They kind of were able to look back and say "Holy crap!". It's not official, that doesn't mean it's complete nonsense. Have you seen any of the videos that really go into detail about how it would make sense? It makes a hell of a lot more sense that taking the endings at face value.

[cyberbegue]

Love this end ! Don't change it ! That prouve the intelligence and subtility of your crue.

[chibievil]

i believe it is indoctrination, but i want to know why would your crew and friends abandon shepard, i got the ending where shepard is alive, where you him/her at end after you see the normandy land and the team members walk out, shepard wakes up then it ends. But during the beam scene, everyone evacuates the area and leaves shepard behind, wouldn't your crew or captain anderson at least move shepard's body. unless they all died

i loved the entire game up until the ending, even if it made me a bit sad when anderson died

[lionalio87]

This is my opinion about the ending, if this opinion has already discussed somehow in the forum, please notice me for that, because i've already tired of finding the people who have the same point of view, too many feedback and anger about the ending:mellow: 

In my opinion, i'm OK with the last decision of the game, choosing to kill the reapers, or pacify with them but making so much sacrifice in the end (at least I can make the choice allow me to see my character in the future ). But the thing makes me dissapointed the most, is the epilogue. I don't see my choice leave any impact on it! .

For example, I romanced a squadmate, but then he or she died in the Mass Effect 3 main storyline, OK, story ends here, I'm done. But WHAT WOULD BE HAPPEN IF MY SQUADMATE IS STILL ALIVE AFTERWARD? Just a few cut-scene from the end of the game and that's all? Nothing happen next in the future? What would they do? Where would they go? :blush: So you leave no answer for that .

Not only my squadmates, my romance, but what about the destiny of the whole galaxy after the Reaper Apocalypse? What would the other races throughout the galaxy do? For example: I saved the council, but where are they when the story ends? Dissapear without a trace? Or, the Quarian, if I help them to reclaim their homeworld, and making peace with the Geth, and then, what would happen next to them if I made my choice at the final scene? Do they live in peace, or what else?. And what about our belove Earth? We lost Anderson, and our belove Commander, but then, what next? When all the mass relay destroyed, we are isolated from the rest of the galaxy? or what else? Just a brief epilogue and that's all? NO, I don't even want that to be appeared!

So all in all, if you have time to read it, you will get my point, I'm fine with your tragic ending, but I don't like at all the fact that all my decisions throughout the trilogy has been wiped out, like it has never been existed. So, if you can, please make some more cut-scene for the near future of the galaxy and my companions. You have made a great game, but do not let the story ends sooooooooooo:pinched::pinched: rude like that, would you kindly ?

[Omnike]

chibievil wrote...

i believe it is indoctrination, but i want to know why would your crew and friends abandon shepard, i got the ending where shepard is alive, where you him/her at end after you see the normandy land and the team members walk out, shepard wakes up then it ends. But during the beam scene, everyone evacuates the area and leaves shepard behind, wouldn't your crew or captain anderson at least move shepard's body. unless they all died

i loved the entire game up until the ending, even if it made me a bit sad when anderson died

I'd really watch this video:
 

It's the video that really sold me on the whole thing. After this, I'd go watch Acavyos here:
 

These were the best videos that compiled a lot of the codex entries and really showed you a lot of things at the end of the game. 

[Raanz]

Legion91 wrote...

how many fans of the game actually believe the indocrination theory was done on purpose??

i mean looking at althe facts it hast to have been done on purpose, right?

I have no idea if the IT is true or not, I don't think anyone does but Bioware.  I will say this, what better way to pull off a theory like that then to NOT hand-hold the player through it.  The idea behind indoctrination is that the victim has no idea they are being indoctrinated.

After Harbinger's blast, the visuals are that of Shepard's mind trying to make sense of the process.  Anderson, the Illusive Man, the Normandy crew....it's all how Shepard is resolving those internal conflicts and their resolutions within the fabric of his subconscious mind.

[chibievil]

Omnike wrote...

chibievil wrote...

i believe it is indoctrination, but i want to know why would your crew and friends abandon shepard, i got the ending where shepard is alive, where you him/her at end after you see the normandy land and the team members walk out, shepard wakes up then it ends. But during the beam scene, everyone evacuates the area and leaves shepard behind, wouldn't your crew or captain anderson at least move shepard's body. unless they all died

i loved the entire game up until the ending, even if it made me a bit sad when anderson died

I'd really watch this video:
 

It's the video that really sold me on the whole thing. After this, I'd go watch Acavyos here:
 

These were the best videos that compiled a lot of the codex entries and really showed you a lot of things at the end of the game. 

yeah i have seen those, i understand about the indoctrination, i just really want to know why everyone would abandon shepard just like that, his/her crew, friends, captain anderson, even the LI hear nothing about them after the beam, all you hear is the soldier speaking through the radio and nothing else

[Sans Changer]

Legion91 wrote...

how many fans of the game actually believe the indocrination theory was done on purpose??

i mean looking at althe facts it hast to have been done on purpose, right?

Dunno, I hope that was their plan all along because it fits so perfectly.

And again, it could be the end of Shepard's story. His final battle is just to retain himself; others can actually defeat the Reapers in DLC. Then, depending on Shepard's choices, he will either be reunited with friends and loved ones, or everyone will be attending the funeral of "the hero who failed at the very end".

[Omnike]

chibievil wrote...

Omnike wrote...

chibievil wrote...

i believe it is indoctrination, but i want to know why would your crew and friends abandon shepard, i got the ending where shepard is alive, where you him/her at end after you see the normandy land and the team members walk out, shepard wakes up then it ends. But during the beam scene, everyone evacuates the area and leaves shepard behind, wouldn't your crew or captain anderson at least move shepard's body. unless they all died

i loved the entire game up until the ending, even if it made me a bit sad when anderson died

I'd really watch this video:
 

It's the video that really sold me on the whole thing. After this, I'd go watch Acavyos here:
 

These were the best videos that compiled a lot of the codex entries and really showed you a lot of things at the end of the game. 

yeah i have seen those, i understand about the indoctrination, i just really want to know why everyone would abandon shepard just like that, his/her crew, friends, captain anderson, even the LI hear nothing about them after the beam, all you hear is the soldier speaking through the radio and nothing else

Well, they explain that in the video. Them landing on a jungle planet was a vision of hope to Shepard. Everything after his choice is. There are still a few rocky spots in the whole theory, but it makes more sense than the endings at face value. And Captain Anderson didn't abandon Shepard, he was up at the Citadel with him/her. He dies before you do.

[Benchpress610]

Bone3ater wrote...

Mixon wrote...

 Interesting, what Bioware can answer on this.

Awesome article, I encourage everyone to read it.

^^This

[chibievil]

Omnike wrote...

chibievil wrote...

Omnike wrote...

chibievil wrote...

i believe it is indoctrination, but i want to know why would your crew and friends abandon shepard, i got the ending where shepard is alive, where you him/her at end after you see the normandy land and the team members walk out, shepard wakes up then it ends. But during the beam scene, everyone evacuates the area and leaves shepard behind, wouldn't your crew or captain anderson at least move shepard's body. unless they all died

i loved the entire game up until the ending, even if it made me a bit sad when anderson died

I'd really watch this video:
 

It's the video that really sold me on the whole thing. After this, I'd go watch Acavyos here:
 

These were the best videos that compiled a lot of the codex entries and really showed you a lot of things at the end of the game. 

yeah i have seen those, i understand about the indoctrination, i just really want to know why everyone would abandon shepard just like that, his/her crew, friends, captain anderson, even the LI hear nothing about them after the beam, all you hear is the soldier speaking through the radio and nothing else

Well, they explain that in the video. Them landing on a jungle planet was a vision of hope to Shepard. Everything after his choice is. There are still a few rocky spots in the whole theory, but it makes more sense than the endings at face value. And Captain Anderson didn't abandon Shepard, he was up at the Citadel with him/her. He dies before you do.

i thought that part up on the citadel is still the indoctrination process, so he doesn't actually die, as when shepard shoots anderson, (when illusive man makes you), it was actually shepard getting shot as later after anderson dies, shepard wound is fresh

[Omnike]

chibievil wrote...

Omnike wrote...

chibievil wrote...

Omnike wrote...

chibievil wrote...

i believe it is indoctrination, but i want to know why would your crew and friends abandon shepard, i got the ending where shepard is alive, where you him/her at end after you see the normandy land and the team members walk out, shepard wakes up then it ends. But during the beam scene, everyone evacuates the area and leaves shepard behind, wouldn't your crew or captain anderson at least move shepard's body. unless they all died

i loved the entire game up until the ending, even if it made me a bit sad when anderson died

I'd really watch this video:
 

It's the video that really sold me on the whole thing. After this, I'd go watch Acavyos here:
 

These were the best videos that compiled a lot of the codex entries and really showed you a lot of things at the end of the game. 

yeah i have seen those, i understand about the indoctrination, i just really want to know why everyone would abandon shepard just like that, his/her crew, friends, captain anderson, even the LI hear nothing about them after the beam, all you hear is the soldier speaking through the radio and nothing else

Well, they explain that in the video. Them landing on a jungle planet was a vision of hope to Shepard. Everything after his choice is. There are still a few rocky spots in the whole theory, but it makes more sense than the endings at face value. And Captain Anderson didn't abandon Shepard, he was up at the Citadel with him/her. He dies before you do.

i thought that part up on the citadel is still the indoctrination process, so he doesn't actually die, as when shepard shoots anderson, (when illusive man makes you), it was actually shepard getting shot as later after anderson dies, shepard wound is fresh

Everything is in his mind right after Harbinger blasts you. So no one has abandoned him as far as we know. No one actually got shot, it's all just attacks on his psyche. It's Harbinger trying to break him down and give into indoctrination.

[Jusseb]

I still think you april fooled the hell out of us.

[Faedryssel]

experience vs. memory. first three minutes describes what is happening to a lot of us.

http://www.ted.com/t..._vs_memory.html

[canazalis]

Had to join just to support the majority here.

First off, absolutely superb series (am currently playing throught ME2 again).

Great job Bioware, thank you. ME and the Uncharted series are my personal favourites, yet Mass Effect just takes Gold due to the immersion and choices over the course of the 3 games.

The quality of the story is the most important thing for me and so like most people I agree with most of the sentiments expressed over the last 400+ pages.

Don't think I've seen mentioned that a short 10 minute comic book style epilogue (similar to the start of ME2 on PS3) could be implemented giving 3 main endings. Then depending on your choices over the games you get a brief explanation of how things now stand and we could have some sort of closure and a reason to play through again to find other endings.

Just played the bit last night where Shepard tells Liara about his wish for blue babies, the scene nearly brought a tear to my eye which is rare for a big butch bloke like me! I want my blue babies and a stag 'do' (bachelor party if you're American) with Garrus as best man if I achieve the best ending!!

Thank you all, hope this makes sense.

[Andy the Black]

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

Legion91 wrote...

how many fans of the game actually believe the indocrination theory was done on purpose??

i mean looking at althe facts it hast to have been done on purpose, right?

Nonsense.

People are grasping at straws. If BioWare did the IT, they wouldn't have executed it so freaking poorly. In order for such a theory to hold any merit, the player should be able to look back on the series and think: Holy CRAP! Now it all makes sense! Shepard showed his first forms of indoctrination *there* and the indoctrination must have developed much further at *that* part!

There is no such thing, however. Instead Bioware just screwed up the ending with a deus ex machina that makes even less sense than the definition of it and the fans make up their own bullcrap theory just like conspiracy theorists do.

Also, BioWare wouldn't have done it with so little clues.. if there really are any if you try hard enough to find them. The N7 armor is an argument, for example, but BioWare cannot expect players to truly see that as a sign. Experienced gamers would notice the sudden change of armor, but would filter that away knowing the change was probably for design reasons: Shepard's unique walking animation wouldn't look right on custom armor, for example, or BioWare had to put too much time and money in remodeling every possible piece of armor to look like it's heavily damaged which is why they went for the default N7 armor.

The IT fails in every aspect. It's wishful thinking; a futile effort to find answers where none are given.

The ending sucks. Period. All we can do now is hope Bioware will bring out a DLC that changes it.

I have to agree, I don't think the IT really was the plan, but I could easily be rong. Still, I hope Bio just run with it. And if they do go with it I don't think we'll ever know for sure if was the plan or them just saying "Hell, thats a good idea. Lets do that and shut everyone up".

[Legion91]

canazalis wrote...

Had to join just to support the majority here.

First off, absolutely superb series (am currently playing throught ME2 again).

Great job Bioware, thank you. ME and the Uncharted series are my personal favourites, yet Mass Effect just takes Gold due to the immersion and choices over the course of the 3 games.

The quality of the story is the most important thing for me and so like most people I agree with most of the sentiments expressed over the last 400+ pages.

Don't think I've seen mentioned that a short 10 minute comic book style epilogue (similar to the start of ME2 on PS3) could be implemented giving 3 main endings. Then depending on your choices over the games you get a brief explanation of how things now stand and we could have some sort of closure and a reason to play through again to find other endings.

Just played the bit last night where Shepard tells Liara about his wish for blue babies, the scene nearly brought a tear to my eye which is rare for a big butch bloke like me! I want my blue babies and a stag 'do' (bachelor party if you're American) with Garrus as best man if I achieve the best ending!!

Thank you all, hope this makes sense.

the comic book thing forthe ending, where did you hear that??

if thats the case that is simplynot godd enough

[Demon King Oda]

Glad to see you listening to us in your true character and fashion! You've still got my support! I hope you will act in a way to keep it. Good luck. Much love.

[chibievil]

i also really hope when they add things to the end, they have marriages and babies with our Li and shepard

just my idea, not sure if anyone else wants this, but i remember bioware somewhere said that me3 may have marriages