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[Thanatos144]

luci90 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

luci90 wrote...

dvd1154 wrote...

i would like a full return of my money or free game content because i think i have wasted my money

I think alot of places are taking returns of opened copies.

As for the free part....I don't think so.

It's wrong...but EA puts money over everything.

They are a business Not a charity they are suppose to do that.....So no it isnt wrong.

I am convinced you are a troll.

Trolls dont use logic.  I am sorry but I am from the USA and like the freedom that Capitalism afords us here. I also find it irritating when people think that making money is not something that a company is for....How else do you think they pay thier workers or make more games????????? A game fairy? EA or BioWare is under no obligation to release something for free cause you didnt like the product. Just like you are under no obligation to purchase anything from them.

[Thanatos144]

After playing it again I am starting to hope they do make different endings.....If only to polish up the obvious rush job they did here. I do think they are right in killing Shepard though.

[Needsnewending]

the endings should reflect our choices along with the closure we need....

please, this is a matter of the Future...

[Superbeasto]

 If the main complaint that people have is that the various endings aren't different enough from each other then I really have trouble seeing that as in any way a legitimate complaint.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see at what point while you're finishing a game for the first time you become annoyed that the ending your watching is the same as the other ones that you're not watching and presumably haven't seen yet. I completely fail to see how the alternatives that you had no idea existed at that point could in any way color or taint your enjoyment of what you're actually seeing or experiencing. If the complaint arises because after the credits roll you then reload a save or pop onto youtube to check them out then yeah, you could say that the choice at the end didn't amount to a great deal of difference in terms of the contents of some FMV, but that still wouldn't have been present in your mind during that initial playthrough.

Plus, what's the alternative to giving you that choice? Checking your game save and just having your Shepard automatically pick one that it reckons you would want, taking the choice out of your hands? There would be a backlash. Only create one ending and just give everyone that one, regardless of whether they'd played as Paragon, Renegade or somewhere in between? There would be a backlash. Or, as the general fan consensus seems to want, check every flag that's been carried over on your ME1&ME2 savefiles and have about 5 dozen different unpolished and unsatisfying endings that take into account every decision you've made whether it had any bearing on the climax or not, dramatic pacing and narrative logic be damned? There would be a backlash.

I feel like people have completely missed the point of the endgame choice, it's not about what you see happen in the last cutscene, it's about giving that last cutscene the right dramatic weight for your character. The three *choices* are vastly different, with each one making a statement about how your Shep would end things, even if the cutscene remains the same. 

[luci90]

Thanatos144 wrote...

luci90 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

luci90 wrote...

dvd1154 wrote...

i would like a full return of my money or free game content because i think i have wasted my money

I think alot of places are taking returns of opened copies.

As for the free part....I don't think so.

It's wrong...but EA puts money over everything.

They are a business Not a charity they are suppose to do that.....So no it isnt wrong.

I am convinced you are a troll.

Trolls dont use logic.  I am sorry but I am from the USA and like the freedom that Capitalism afords us here. I also find it irritating when people think that making money is not something that a company is for....How else do you think they pay thier workers or make more games????????? A game fairy? EA or BioWare is under no obligation to release something for free cause you didnt like the product. Just like you are under no obligation to purchase anything from them.

Uh huh, sure.

[Zemore]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Trolls dont use logic.  I am sorry but I am from the USA and like the freedom that Capitalism afords us here. I also find it irritating when people think that making money is not something that a company is for....How else do you think they pay thier workers or make more games????????? A game fairy? EA or BioWare is under no obligation to release something for free cause you didnt like the product. Just like you are under no obligation to purchase anything from them.

But at the same time they should be aware of the economic state of the world we live in. Its a bad time for any buisness to upset Alot of thier customers they already have our money sure ... but wouldent they like to get more of it?
id be willing to pay for a revamp of the ending that gives me what they promised im well aware money greases the wheels but what i dont like is being fed BS about artist integrity from a corporation that sells DLC on the day of release

to sum up i dont like being Bsed but im willing to pay for what i want.

[Kris69]

BioWare... I want an ending like from Neverwinter Nights/ Neverwinter Nights 2

[jeweledleah]

luci90 wrote...

Dawson14 wrote...

http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/

Has anyone seen this?

Interesting.

Seems that Casey and the lead just went off and did their own thing and gave a giant fyou to everybody else.

it actualy sounds that the rest of the writers WERE aware how the ending will be and according to the description of the cutscene differences.. we did get those.  medium EMS for example shows big ben being destroyed but people still cheering, while low IMS shows big ben being destroyed and people getting vaporized.

however - it still doesn't adress exact choices, still destroys the relays, still shows no actual conseqence on EVERYONE not just earth and STILl forces 3 crappy choices given by a deus ex machina device complete with forced Shepard death.

which doesn't bode well for whatever "aditions" we may get.

I'm preparing myself for major disapointment come April 6th.  it all sounds a lot like anticipation of arrival, you know that DLC everyone hoped was going to at least mention VS, if not feature them ala Liara?  and everyone was so hopeful, becasue it featured a lot of the ideas proposed in original wishlist.  and then it cam out.. and all the worst fears have proven to be true.

I'm not sure where that tiny bit of hope I still have is coming from, since analytical part of my mind is telling me that its pointless and no, I'm not getting the ending that would make me happy :/

[Thanatos144]

Zemore wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Trolls dont use logic.  I am sorry but I am from the USA and like the freedom that Capitalism afords us here. I also find it irritating when people think that making money is not something that a company is for....How else do you think they pay thier workers or make more games????????? A game fairy? EA or BioWare is under no obligation to release something for free cause you didnt like the product. Just like you are under no obligation to purchase anything from them.

But at the same time they should be aware of the economic state of the world we live in. Its a bad time for any buisness to upset Alot of thier customers they already have our money sure ... but wouldent they like to get more of it?
id be willing to pay for a revamp of the ending that gives me what they promised im well aware money greases the wheels but what i dont like is being fed BS about artist integrity from a corporation that sells DLC on the day of release

to sum up i dont like being Bsed but im willing to pay for what i want.

Then they will reap the rewards of thier actions......Nothing wrong with that. If they decide to do something for free tghat is thier perogative if not still the same. Neither You , me or anyone has to buy it.  Thats the beauty of capitalism. Yet thinking it is not good  that they are about making money just cause you didnt like a product is in my veiw childish and counter productive.

Modifié par Thanatos144, 26 mars 2012 - 07:30 .

[Zemore]

Superbeasto wrote...

 If the main complaint that people have is that the various endings aren't different enough from each other then I really have trouble seeing that as in any way a legitimate complaint.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see at what point while you're finishing a game for the first time you become annoyed that the ending your watching is the same as the other ones that you're not watching and presumably haven't seen yet. I completely fail to see how the alternatives that you had no idea existed at that point could in any way color or taint your enjoyment of what you're actually seeing or experiencing. If the complaint arises because after the credits roll you then reload a save or pop onto youtube to check them out then yeah, you could say that the choice at the end didn't amount to a great deal of difference in terms of the contents of some FMV, but that still wouldn't have been present in your mind during that initial playthrough.

Plus, what's the alternative to giving you that choice? Checking your game save and just having your Shepard automatically pick one that it reckons you would want, taking the choice out of your hands? There would be a backlash. Only create one ending and just give everyone that one, regardless of whether they'd played as Paragon, Renegade or somewhere in between? There would be a backlash. Or, as the general fan consensus seems to want, check every flag that's been carried over on your ME1&ME2 savefiles and have about 5 dozen different unpolished and unsatisfying endings that take into account every decision you've made whether it had any bearing on the climax or not, dramatic pacing and narrative logic be damned? There would be a backlash.

I feel like people have completely missed the point of the endgame choice, it's not about what you see happen in the last cutscene, it's about giving that last cutscene the right dramatic weight for your character. The three *choices* are vastly different, with each one making a statement about how your Shep would end things, even if the cutscene remains the same. 

The outcome is  the same no matter what choice you pick ... thus making whatever you choose pointless since its likley everyone dies due to the lack of resources and a galaxy on the doorstep of earth. It also leaves too much space for speculation(yeah they intended this but i dont care its BS) and in a  final instalment of a game I want conclusion to it i want my questions answered they made  a story where i take direct interaction with a galaxy of people they owe me They owe us some closure on what happend.

you dont boast 16 DIFFERENT endings when you have 1 ending they lied they diserve the frustration and anger of thousands of fans because they lied and gave us less than we diserve.

[jeweledleah]

Superbeasto wrote...

 If the main complaint that people have is that the various endings aren't different enough from each other then I really have trouble seeing that as in any way a legitimate complaint.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see at what point while you're finishing a game for the first time you become annoyed that the ending your watching is the same as the other ones that you're not watching and presumably haven't seen yet. I completely fail to see how the alternatives that you had no idea existed at that point could in any way color or taint your enjoyment of what you're actually seeing or experiencing. If the complaint arises because after the credits roll you then reload a save or pop onto youtube to check them out then yeah, you could say that the choice at the end didn't amount to a great deal of difference in terms of the contents of some FMV, but that still wouldn't have been present in your mind during that initial playthrough.

Plus, what's the alternative to giving you that choice? Checking your game save and just having your Shepard automatically pick one that it reckons you would want, taking the choice out of your hands? There would be a backlash. Only create one ending and just give everyone that one, regardless of whether they'd played as Paragon, Renegade or somewhere in between? There would be a backlash. Or, as the general fan consensus seems to want, check every flag that's been carried over on your ME1&ME2 savefiles and have about 5 dozen different unpolished and unsatisfying endings that take into account every decision you've made whether it had any bearing on the climax or not, dramatic pacing and narrative logic be damned? There would be a backlash.

I feel like people have completely missed the point of the endgame choice, it's not about what you see happen in the last cutscene, it's about giving that last cutscene the right dramatic weight for your character. The three *choices* are vastly different, with each one making a statement about how your Shep would end things, even if the cutscene remains the same. 

you can reload your last save and see every available ending on the same character.  what you did prior doesn't affect selection with rare exception.  you could have skipped every side quest, started in ME3 and just played a lot of multiplayer, untill 100% galactic readiness and you get the same exact otpions as someone who imported completionist save from ME1. as the only thing we know for sure is that with all 3 endings, relays are destroyed?  it sounds to me, like the outcomes are too simmilar to make much of a difference.

not to mention... green space magic.  how the heck does Shepard, who is still organic, just has a bunch of synthetic prostetics (think complex defibrilators and such) somehow fascilitate a creation of new half organic, half synthetic genotype, while still keeping everyone's phenotype AND personalities/memories/ etc intact through the use of green colored beam?  its just...  where did all the careful science go?

Modifié par jeweledleah, 26 mars 2012 - 07:33 .

[Thanatos144]

What if no matter what the relays are destroyed? So what? Maybe they want a change in the universe. Or maybe if they make another game in said universe it will be a prequel.

[Va1us]

 I just wanted to say after further analysis of the ending, I believe in the indoctrination theory.  I am not grasping for straws because I was fine with the Reaper VI (yes, it is not some magical star child telling you truth, it's advance Reaper VI trying to control you)  telling me what to choose.  I chose the blue ending in the beginning, but it didn't feel right.  I didn't like the way the VI was looking at me.  It appealed to my altruistic nature.  Then I started to do some research.... and now I am a believer.  I fell for it, I was indoctrinated.

Shepard was indeed being indoctrinated during that last exchange.  The last "battle".  Pay attention to the conversation, Anderson was feeding info to you.  He was describing what you are going to see.  Then you saw it.  You were in a collector ship, then on the outside of the shadow broker's ship, then suddenly Anderson is in front standing over a console.  None of it makes sense... why would he survive Harbinger's attack and still be relatively unscathed.  Look @ Shepard... then look at Anderson.  The clues are many, all you have to do is look for them :-).  If you still do not believe, then you your self have been indoctrinated and you should really start giving head to Bioware because they pulled a fast one on you, and they still are.  They created a masterful ending in my eyes, and I use the term "ending" very loosely, because there is no end.  The game doesn't have a ending.  Or I should say, a ending that closes the triology.  

That's why the ending doesn't make sense, it's not real.  None of it is.  Except the seemingly renegade option.  The system has been holding your hand for all 3 games and it was used against you when it was time to make an important decision.  If you were playing straight paragon throughout the entire series, well then you got boned.  However if you were paying attention, sometimes you had to choose the renegade option.  Sometimes.... red is good.  Just ask the corpses of Kai Leng and Udina :-).  I'm in love with it.  I love how Mass Effect 3 ended.  Now, If you are listening Bioware, let us finish the fight for real this time, because my will is strong :-)  (Though not initially :-p)

P.S. I played that sequence again with full war assets and chose the red ending.  And it felt good, I am happy.

[Va1us]

jeweledleah wrote...

Superbeasto wrote...

 If the main complaint that people have is that the various endings aren't different enough from each other then I really have trouble seeing that as in any way a legitimate complaint.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see at what point while you're finishing a game for the first time you become annoyed that the ending your watching is the same as the other ones that you're not watching and presumably haven't seen yet. I completely fail to see how the alternatives that you had no idea existed at that point could in any way color or taint your enjoyment of what you're actually seeing or experiencing. If the complaint arises because after the credits roll you then reload a save or pop onto youtube to check them out then yeah, you could say that the choice at the end didn't amount to a great deal of difference in terms of the contents of some FMV, but that still wouldn't have been present in your mind during that initial playthrough.

Plus, what's the alternative to giving you that choice? Checking your game save and just having your Shepard automatically pick one that it reckons you would want, taking the choice out of your hands? There would be a backlash. Only create one ending and just give everyone that one, regardless of whether they'd played as Paragon, Renegade or somewhere in between? There would be a backlash. Or, as the general fan consensus seems to want, check every flag that's been carried over on your ME1&ME2 savefiles and have about 5 dozen different unpolished and unsatisfying endings that take into account every decision you've made whether it had any bearing on the climax or not, dramatic pacing and narrative logic be damned? There would be a backlash.

I feel like people have completely missed the point of the endgame choice, it's not about what you see happen in the last cutscene, it's about giving that last cutscene the right dramatic weight for your character. The three *choices* are vastly different, with each one making a statement about how your Shep would end things, even if the cutscene remains the same. 

you can reload your last save and see every available ending on the same character.  what you did prior doesn't affect selection with rare exception.  you could have skipped every side quest, started in ME3 and just played a lot of multiplayer, untill 100% galactic readiness and you get the same exact otpions as someone who imported completionist save from ME1. as the only thing we know for sure is that with all 3 endings, relays are destroyed?  it sounds to me, like the outcomes are too simmilar to make much of a difference.

not to mention... green space magic.  how the heck does Shepard, who is still organic, just has a bunch of synthetic prostetics (think complex defibrilators and such) somehow fascilitate a creation of new half organic, half synthetic genotype, while still keeping everyone's phenotype AND personalities/memories/ etc intact through the use of green colored beam?  its just...  where did all the careful science go?

Because it's an hallucination, that didn't happen.  No careful science because that part was truly fantasy.  Just a product of the Reaper VI.  The war isn't over, the fight continues.

[Phoenixblood]

I was hoping for an ending where you see all the choices you made from ME1 ME2 and ME3 have impact and what happens to every character after ,not just 3 choices with similar endings no matter what you do.

[luci90]

jeweledleah wrote...

luci90 wrote...

Dawson14 wrote...

http://www.gameranx....versial-ending/

Has anyone seen this?

Interesting.

Seems that Casey and the lead just went off and did their own thing and gave a giant fyou to everybody else.

it actualy sounds that the rest of the writers WERE aware how the ending will be and according to the description of the cutscene differences.. we did get those.  medium EMS for example shows big ben being destroyed but people still cheering, while low IMS shows big ben being destroyed and people getting vaporized.

however - it still doesn't adress exact choices, still destroys the relays, still shows no actual conseqence on EVERYONE not just earth and STILl forces 3 crappy choices given by a deus ex machina device complete with forced Shepard death.

which doesn't bode well for whatever "aditions" we may get.

I'm preparing myself for major disapointment come April 6th.  it all sounds a lot like anticipation of arrival, you know that DLC everyone hoped was going to at least mention VS, if not feature them ala Liara?  and everyone was so hopeful, becasue it featured a lot of the ideas proposed in original wishlist.  and then it cam out.. and all the worst fears have proven to be true.

I'm not sure where that tiny bit of hope I still have is coming from, since analytical part of my mind is telling me that its pointless and no, I'm not getting the ending that would make me happy :/

I'm optimistic about it.

And i'm rarely optimistic.

Though, the doubts are there....

[Zemore]

Va1us wrote...



Because it's an hallucination, that didn't happen.  No careful science because that part was truly fantasy.  Just a product of the Reaper VI.  The war isn't over, the fight continues.

but you arent the writers .... and im sorry until they go YEAH APRIL FOOLS GOTCHA ALL ...the ending is how it ends 

im not happy about it .... and i want it fixed but im not gonna pretend =/

[Va1us]

Zemore wrote...

Va1us wrote...



Because it's an hallucination, that didn't happen.  No careful science because that part was truly fantasy.  Just a product of the Reaper VI.  The war isn't over, the fight continues.

but you arent the writers .... and im sorry until they go YEAH APRIL FOOLS GOTCHA ALL ...the ending is how it ends 

im not happy about it .... and i want it fixed but im not gonna pretend =/

Well I love the "ending", at least once I accepted the fact that it's too garbage of an ending to be truly considered one.  We've just been tricked by a game, (at least I was) and I think that idea alone bodes well for the future of the medium.  The delivery of the lie was phenomenal.

[chevyguy87]

each passing day the indoc theory is making more and more sense and my hope is building to see if its reality or just fan fiction

[epicalus]

yea bioware me again.
you always intended a bitter sweet ending.

have you looked at your product ?
the whole game is a nightmarish masterpiece.
filled with small victories and heavy dispair.
add on top of that , the moment we start our final battle .
the galaxy lies in ruins , every homeworld is completely devistated .
whats left of the galaxy (unknown number of survivers/refugees) is at best 10-20% ?
not to mention where are they ? and if you say citadel , well then there dead at the end .
meaning the only survivors are those in the fleets and those who worked on the crusible.
how is that not bittersweet enough ?
add the ending that we currently have and all thats left is what?
whatever creatures that come into being afther (the whole galaxies going up into supernova's)?
or are we to put our faith in those who survived the normandy crash?
wich is what ? to begin with the normandy had a skeleton crew seeing as it was still being refit.
never was it mentioned it was filled up with a full crew.
then with most of the tech being destroyed by the shockwave , otherwise it woulden't crash.
also if you chose the renegade option , EDI would be dead , meaning the normandy would have what amount of systems working ?
most of what was on the ship died in the crash , seeing as we only see 3 ppl getting off the normandy i'd say theres only 3 survivors.
and theres a future for 3 ppl stranded on an alien planet with god knows what lurking in the area?
Joker with vrolick syndrome or however you write it . steps out of the ship seemingly unharmed.

have you guys even thought the endings through?
cos if i a simple consumer can break down the whole ending and keep finding things like these.
that ultimately lead to complete destruction .
then either i'm percieving the ending completely wrong .
or your telling it wrong.
or the ending is a complete and utter masterpiece of nonsence.

I'm keeping my faith in the indoc theory , cos its the only thing that makes sence.

Modifié par epicalus, 26 mars 2012 - 08:10 .

[Ferah84]

First I'll let you know what I loved about the game.
I loved how Shepard was confronted with the almost impossible task of uniting the galaxy and be able to do that successfully (I really loved that)! I loved the way the Geth and Quarians were able to let bygones be bygones and establish a new working relationship together. I loved it when Wrex and Eve got together and planned to name their firstborn Mordin, and I really loved that F!Shep and Kaidan had an awesome reunion and re-established their relationship . I basically loved everything about the game... apart from the ending.
The story for me looked like it was heading to a branch of varying endings with one thread running through them (that being the core plot). With Shepard's optimistic/positive attitude I assumed there'd be at least one ending where he/she gets out alive and hopefully makes it back to his/her LI (I was REAALLY hoping for that), but that wasn't the case and I felt a little led on to believe that it could happen.
Putting aside the plot holes and the indoctrination theory that people are talking about, I don't mind one or two bittersweet endings. The idea of self-sacrificing oneself for the greater good is a very noble thing and I'm sure lots of people would've thought that the best for their Shepards but I don't think ALL the endings should've boiled down to this conclusion (personally I was hoping MY Shepard would have the chance to get married and have kids with her LI at some point lol). What I love about Bioware games is that the player decides on what paths to take and effectively produces their own storylines. Thats the beauty of games like Mass Effect where you get to tailor your own hero! But to give endings that all end up with the main character dying is not only depressing to lots of people but has effectively killed off millions of customised Shepards that the players (their creators) have grown to love, without a single chance of saving them.
Stuff about the ending aside, I missed not having the loyalty missions in ME3. Though I can understand that uniting the galaxy takes priority in the game, I think the loyalty missions introduced in ME2 added a really good way of getting to know your squad. It would be great if you add some missions like this as DLC. If Kaidan ever has one of these missions, I'd LOVE to see it include Rahna somehow (seeing as how we only hear about how she broke his heart).
Sorry about the long post (I certainly wrote more than I thought I would o__o; )

[AwefulShot]

I think that Bioware will be doing their best to reverse the general opinion of the game. Given the 'user review ratings' on numerous sites (4 out of 10 on average I have seen) they really just can't let things remain as is. With a great effort they can turn Mass Effect from being mainly talked about in terms of 'crap endings' to greatest sci-fi trilogy our our time. The outcome of their efforts will determine if many will ever buy into a multi-part game from Bioware again. How man,y if the endings remain as is, will be thinking "I can't wait until Bioware get me to invest 100's of hours in a multi-game story"? I would venture, very few. The way things are now Mass Effect strikes me to be very like Bioware's Titanic - looked great in port, had wonderful design - but we will only really remember that is sunk. Mass Effect is holed, BUT, Bioware can patch it up (no pun intended).

I hope that come April, I will be sitting in stunned silence, followed by tears of joy and sorrow. Then I'll be back on this forum praising Bioware for doing what we all believe they can do - make us believe.

Modifié par AwefulShot, 26 mars 2012 - 08:47 .

[_ShadowHawk]

Worth re-posting:
http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/

[JackLaVaporiera]

chevyguy87 wrote...

each passing day the indoc theory is making more and more sense and my hope is building to see if its reality or just fan fiction

Sheppy has been stroke by a laser/maser/phaser not by a brainwave, it's armor testify it... and which kind of indoctrination leaves the chance to "destroy" the reapers ?

Indoc theory is only mental masturbation to try and justify an ending that makes no sense at all neither is charming nor leaves a sense of fight and furthermore it doesn't explain nothing.

"One more story" a big huge piece of cow sh...

[Omnike]

JackLaVaporiera wrote...

chevyguy87 wrote...

each passing day the indoc theory is making more and more sense and my hope is building to see if its reality or just fan fiction

Sheppy has been stroke by a laser/maser/phaser not by a brainwave, it's armor testify it... and which kind of indoctrination leaves the chance to "destroy" the reapers ?

Indoc theory is only mental masturbation to try and justify an ending that makes no sense at all neither is charming nor leaves a sense of fight and furthermore it doesn't explain nothing.

"One more story" a big huge piece of cow sh...

You didn't read into the indoctrination theory it seems. I won't go into it here, because there is a lot to it. Youtube Angry Joe Indoctrination and watch the first video. No one ever said it was a brainwave beam.

Edit: I just caught Mental Masturbation. Will you show me how you do that...?

Modifié par Omnike, 26 mars 2012 - 08:20 .