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[Peregrin25]

chevyguy87 wrote...

you sir or madam deserve a handshake for seeing keeping optomistic and seeing logic its nice to see others who still believe there is some good that can come from this

LOL I will admit my first play through, my heart completely sank. but yeah. I like to try to stay optimistic about things like this. The whole ME3 ending is one of the craziest controversies I ever seen involved in a video game. Almost so much controversey that it had to be planned by Bioware. That is just my opinion. I think they did it on purpose.

If Indoctrination Theory is true, Jokes on all of us ha

[Griffin000]

After all those negativ voices about the ending of ME3, I think I should also write down my opinion.

I really liked Mass Effect 1, it was more or less the first game i was really edicted to. Because of that i bought ME2-CE and after that also the ME3-CE. ME3 is an really excellent game, also the MP-part is suprisingly well made (also i never had any interests in it). But this good impresion only last until the last momenst of the game. The whole story seems like you didn´t have enough time to finish it or i don´t know.
Until you get to the Cerberus base and kill Kai Leng, the whole story makes sense and fits to part 1 and 2. Also some critics says that the game don´t have enough save harbours like the first two games, only the Citadel was left. Somehow it makes sense that the only save spot in the last part can be the Citadel, so it´s ok.
The first smaller slip was that after you know what the catalyst is, sudenly evry other problem in the galaxy is solved, and the surviving troops marches towards earth:unsure:. Well all Aliens promises to help you, and they think it is there last chance but common this fast....
One can just ignore this slip because after that the attack of the earth was well made, cinematic and explosiv and so on... Some of the talking was a little bit too militaristic and heroic bull****, there should have been a shut-up-and fight-choice.
But the real crap in this game was the ending. I don´t dislike the 3 choices in the end, they were, let´s say ok. But first of all why are suddenly a few of your crewmates back on the Normandy, but roughly one hour before all (!) of the were on the earth with the other ground troops, why did they went back to the normandy? Why is Jocker in the hyperspace with the Normandy? Why weren´t you able to at least write down, what happens to all the other species, characters and the rest galaxy after the crashing of the normandy.
I´m sure that most players would be really happy to have some conclusive ending like in Fallot 3 or Fallout: New Vegas. I know that this was only a slide show with voice-over, but it was a much satisfying ending then this 1 film with tree different color overlays.

[KUNG PLOW]

Sixteen is not 3. Fix it.
Artistic integrity just doesn't hold up as an argument. Even if it DID what about delivering on the promise of our choices having an impact on the game? What about my choice to cure the genophage? Doesn't not having Salarian cooperation affect things? No mildly changing a stat doesn't cut it, bioware. It doesn't live up to your artistic standards and three goddam choices in the last moments of the game doesnt live up to your promise that my choices had reprecussions.

I dont mind plot holes. Artistic license is important and that's why noone is ****ing that there was sound in space. It doesnt justify utterly scrapping the plot. Destroying the world we fought for? I dont mind the ending being bittersweet. I honestly expected shepard to die. I was ok with that. Whats not ok is departing from the series entirely and giving a sad ending... and then acting like that ray of hope when shepard takes a breath makes things better? No its not the fact that shepard dies thats pissing everyone off.
The endings being sad is ok. Its variety we crave... oh and relevance to the rest of the plot.

Yes the rest of the games were excelent. Hands down my favourite video games right up until 5 mins before the end, but that just serves and juxtaposition to how awful the end was. Just awful. I expected more from Bioware. Maybe not EA but Bioware.

Modifié par KUNG PLOW, 27 mars 2012 - 11:24 .

[Petiertje]

To the writers/developers of the ME series; I Liked every single part of the 3 games you made, it's beautiful written and made. and yes, I'm sorry to say, but I didn't like the final ending of the series. this is because I became to care about the team and people I encountered. But I like to see that as a positive point rather then a negative. it's something you should be very very proud of! ALL the games are excellent in their own way. (English isn't my native language, so I'm sorry if I made any mistake in this post)
Have a nice day

[chevyguy87]

Peregrin25 wrote...

chevyguy87 wrote...

you sir or madam deserve a handshake for seeing keeping optomistic and seeing logic its nice to see others who still believe there is some good that can come from this

LOL I will admit my first play through, my heart completely sank. but yeah. I like to try to stay optimistic about things like this. The whole ME3 ending is one of the craziest controversies I ever seen involved in a video game. Almost so much controversey that it had to be planned by Bioware. That is just my opinion. I think they did it on purpose.

If Indoctrination Theory is true, Jokes on all of us ha

if the indoc theory proves true then they are modern day geniuses

[Voodoo2015]

Srslydude01 wrote...

Voodoo2015 wrote...

Please someone explain to me what The Star Child says becaurse it's so confusing and make no sense to me.

The artificial organisms will always rebel against their creators and kill them.
The organic life wouldn't whant to be killed by artificial life, so I created artificial life that would kill all organic life in the universe before the artificial life we created would kill us.

Still can't wrap my head around it.

I can not really understand the genius of it.

The more I think about it the less I understand it, this gives me a headache.

The whole idea behind the Reapers seems unethical. I understand the need to make sure that synthetic doesn't take over and organic life ceases to exist, but from cycle to cycle, there has never been a real problem with synthetic life. So the Reapers just seem evil wiping out organic life for no reason. If they were so against synthetic life, why didn't they just destroy the Geth instead of attempting to take control of them. It is hard to wrap your head around it. They just want to play God.

Who created the Reapers, the Citadel and the Mass Relays?

I don't believe the Reapers themselves built the Citadel and Mass Relays. They just seem like they were meant for harvesting and destruction.

I personally loved the Trilogy. Although I would like an ending that feels like it goes more with what the trilogy built up to, I still love the game regardless.

Thanks helped a bit but think BW / EA has come out with a good and realistic ending
I love Mass Effect all three until the last 5 minutes of ME3.
Want to have a proper ending an explanation where all my choices I made in the games matter.

[Motherlander]

chevyguy87 wrote...

if the indoc theory proves true then they are modern day geniuses

If the indoc theory is true then they are con-artists, because they sold an incomplete game.

The we can say that the ending is artistic, ciminally artistic, afterall.

[Theronyll Itholien]

Just wanted to point out that the ending is so horrible, future games in the ME galaxy that will probably take place in the past will probably not be able to get me emotionally attached. Because if I ever see mass relays again, I'll just think "All that will be blown away by some good-for-nothing sheepherder."

*sigh* We knew the third game would be the end of the trilogy. We didn't expect the whole freaking ME universe and lore to just blow away, ffs.

[Voodoo2015]

Peregrin25 wrote...

chevyguy87 wrote...

you sir or madam deserve a handshake for seeing keeping optomistic and seeing logic its nice to see others who still believe there is some good that can come from this

LOL I will admit my first play through, my heart completely sank. but yeah. I like to try to stay optimistic about things like this. The whole ME3 ending is one of the craziest controversies I ever seen involved in a video game. Almost so much controversey that it had to be planned by Bioware. That is just my opinion. I think they did it on purpose.

If Indoctrination Theory is true, Jokes on all of us ha

Yes I might build a shrine for them!
They should have a Nobell price if it were true.

[chevyguy87]

Motherlander wrote...

chevyguy87 wrote...

if the indoc theory proves true then they are modern day geniuses

If the indoc theory is true then they are con-artists, because they sold an incomplete game.

The we can say that the ending is artistic, ciminally artistic, afterall.

i can see where your coming from but then again mass effect is not the first game to do this nor will it be the last saints row 3 is a shining example of that all that wonderful disc loaded dlc that fans had to pay to unlock what was already there im just glad to see that bioware will be addressing the issue

Modifié par chevyguy87, 27 mars 2012 - 10:55 .

[Haranalee]

Ok, I've stayed away from the news and the forums while I finished playing ME3, and I even successfully avoided the meat of the controversy over the ending - I saw that there was one (boy did I!), and refused to read the articles so I wouldn't have my experience spoiled.

Last night I finished the game, and it is - without a doubt in my mind - the best game experience of my gaming career. I enjoyed, savored, every moment of that game. I was moved to tears more than once, I found myself despairing along with FemShep, and getting angry along with her, I was touched by the relationships I'd forged over the last games, both big and small, and I marvelled that BioWare just made me *care* so much. The way the Kaidan romance developed for me was fascinating: I found it just *ok* in the first game, then, when I felt adrift and displaced from my Shep's life in ME2, he just stomps on my Shep's little heart when she needs assurance and connection with her old life most, and then by ME3 he becomes an indispensible companion (I wouldn't have said no to more dialog with him, ya know) whose ultimate survival served as a balm. 

It was a totally pleasurable gaming experience from soup to nuts, and I'm just bummed that I can't start all over and expirience it again the same way. The ending I got was not inappropriate, and since only one of the choices made sense for my Shep, I didn't really run into the disappointment lots of people are talking about. For me, this was a stellar effort by BioWare. Absolutely unmatched. It was obviously lovingly crafted, it was satisfyingly emotional, and I felt they were really making a point about consequences and the 'means' of things. Kaidan even says to my Shep that 'the way a thing goes down matters,' and I think that played out for my Shep as the game rolled on. The way she chose to solve problems did matter, and in the end I got a beautiful bittersweet ending that was not without hope. What more could my Shep have hoped for but to break the cycle, complete her mission, and see at least some of her loved ones survive? I guess I shouldn't ask that rhetorically, since there'll be a flood of "She could ask for X, Y, and Z!!" But this is my review, and I say: 10. This will stay with me for years, and it will be really hard for anyone to top.

[NordicLord]

if the reapers only want to make sure that organic life is preserved then why dont they just patrol the galaxy and make civilizations aware of thier existence.


Harbringer:"hello we are the reapers and we are here to make sure that you organics do not do anything that might threaten you or other organics existence. we will make sure that you do not create WMD, synthetics.

Organics:"wait! you will kill us all if we build robots?"

Harbringer:"no no. ofcurse not. that would be counterproductive to our porpuse of preserving you. we will however destroy any massive weapons or synthetics that you might build"

Organics:"so as long as we dont build any of that, you will leave us alone?"

Harbringer:"yep"

Organics:"oh ok... well see ya."

THE END

what a stupid motive!

[Omnike]

Motherlander wrote...

chevyguy87 wrote...

if the indoc theory proves true then they are modern day geniuses

If the indoc theory is true then they are con-artists, because they sold an incomplete game.

The we can say that the ending is artistic, ciminally artistic, afterall.

If it's free then we'll be fine. The ending is awful, but if they set it out for free, I won't be too upset afterwards.

[patak]

Shepard's death is not a problem for me. I bought and played all 3 games and all additional official DLC content. With that said Mass Effect 3 ending ( to me just haveing different screen colors  dosen't meen it's a different ending )
is, well to put it in no way with my exact words, just awful. Don't know if this means anything just wanted to say it. It is awful and it is worse than any ending of any game that I have ever played.
As far as the rest of it, the game itself is ok. In case sombody actually reads this could you make it possible to skip ingame cinematics, couse after 2 times in a week don't need to see them again ( I really have to many characters from number 2 ).

[Cross429]

Motherlander wrote...

If the indoc theory is true then they are con-artists, because they sold an incomplete game.

The we can say that the ending is artistic, ciminally artistic, afterall.

I am willing to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt (think they've earned it through 99% of the ME experience).

I believe they gave us endings which they believed would be debatable (i.e. "cause speculation") but just satisfying enough to leave the playerbase affected while generating a demand for more content. This is a difficult balancing act, but it wouldn't be an incomplete product: plenty of games end on cliffhangers with the expectation that more is coming. It's that more is coming part that is crucial.
 
That said, the balancing act did not succeed.

If ME3 were a movie, I'd actually like the artistic ending of IT and that alone. However, given that player choice is fundamental to the ME series, the ending as provided and that ending alone - IT or not - is simply and objectively not commensurate to the quality of the series thus far, and out of left field in terms of thematics. You can say you "liked it," but very few will say that they couldn't have done so much more.

Anyway, guess my point is: if they release a thematically consistent ending for free: especially if they go in the direction of IT, which is frankly just cool and revolutionary, my faith and confidence will be fully restored (for what one customer's opinion is worth).



 

[Voodoo2015]

Haranalee wrote...

Ok, I've stayed away from the news and the forums while I finished playing ME3, and I even successfully avoided the meat of the controversy over the ending - I saw that there was one (boy did I!), and refused to read the articles so I wouldn't have my experience spoiled.

Last night I finished the game, and it is - without a doubt in my mind - the best game experience of my gaming career. I enjoyed, savored, every moment of that game. I was moved to tears more than once, I found myself despairing along with FemShep, and getting angry along with her, I was touched by the relationships I'd forged over the last games, both big and small, and I marvelled that BioWare just made me *care* so much. The way the Kaidan romance developed for me was fascinating: I found it just *ok* in the first game, then, when I felt adrift and displaced from my Shep's life in ME2, he just stomps on my Shep's little heart when she needs assurance and connection with her old life most, and then by ME3 he becomes an indispensible companion (I wouldn't have said no to more dialog with him, ya know) whose ultimate survival served as a balm. 

It was a totally pleasurable gaming experience from soup to nuts, and I'm just bummed that I can't start all over and expirience it again the same way. The ending I got was not inappropriate, and since only one of the choices made sense for my Shep, I didn't really run into the disappointment lots of people are talking about. For me, this was a stellar effort by BioWare. Absolutely unmatched. It was obviously lovingly crafted, it was satisfyingly emotional, and I felt they were really making a point about consequences and the 'means' of things. Kaidan even says to my Shep that 'the way a thing goes down matters,' and I think that played out for my Shep as the game rolled on. The way she chose to solve problems did matter, and in the end I got a beautiful bittersweet ending that was not without hope. What more could my Shep have hoped for but to break the cycle, complete her mission, and see at least some of her loved ones survive? I guess I shouldn't ask that rhetorically, since there'll be a flood of "She could ask for X, Y, and Z!!" But this is my review, and I say: 10. This will stay with me for years, and it will be really hard for anyone to top.

Yes all of your choices made ​​a difference up to 5 minutes before the end.
Then you could throw them out the window.becaurce whatever you did how much you've gained. It di not mather because we all got the same ending no matter what choice you did.

And why must Shep sacrifice him self. And don't answer because it is an epic dark tale.

But the point is of course the BW to promise us a lot of different endings not a lot of endings that are the same with a twist.
It they lied to us.

Modifié par Voodoo2015, 27 mars 2012 - 11:24 .

[Dunga780]

I loved every minute of all three games, except for the last 15. I know it's sappy, but I want my games to be uplifting. It feels like a Shyamalan twist at the end. If it was a movie, I'd say "Eh, artistic choice," but It's a game. I want to see Shepard win and keep going. I want to see him enjoy the peace that he fought so hard for. I want to be told that there is more than just sacrifice. With so many heroes dying in the real world, I want to believe that good guys get a "happily ever after." No matter what Bioware does, the fact that they listen has restored much of my faith in the company. I hope they include an option where Paragon Shep gets to live, It would be the most fun for me to play it that way, but even if they don't I thank them for responding.

[G_Smoove187]

Just want to say I've been a die hard fan since the beginning its my favorite game series of all time. BUT i am very dissappointed in the length of the game and anding of ME3. I felt it was to short but you made up for that with a lot of  great moments for the most part. Now the ending or endings on the other hand although answer some questions but  left me asking more. Ok Shep dies kinda seen it coming but and ending where he lives would be nice maybe even have a kid with Ashley or Liara considering you could sleep with both not once but twice throughout the series. Anyway all the various endings promised wasn't even available you got three kinda lousy choices kinda seem liked wasn't much effort put into it you know like you rushed it out. No confrontation with Harbinger what so ever you battle one reaper which was pretty fun the other a thresher took out  which was awsome by the way but still no harbinger. And that little VI or AI on citadel, what was that? Where did it come from? How did it gain control of citadel and reapers? You know as powerful as the reapers were i dont see them making someone that controls them it goes against everything sovereign and harbinger  say and do throughout the series it seemed more like they controlled the citadel not the other way around when it plays out. Also if the citadel had a mind of its own this whole time then its doesnt make sense that the protheans could alter that signal the citadel recieved from reapers to open and allow invasion which shepard stops in ME1 couldnt the citadel just correct it?. Anyway I just think you guys could of done better with this game.  And also the little seen after credits left game open for dlc obviously but ever thought of another ME title continueing story with new hero at later time. Hell maybe something went wrong while shepard was controlling reapers (givin you chose that ending). Other than my complaints Thank you all at bioware for the great experience from beginnnig to end ITS ONE OF THE BEST IF NOT THE BEST!

[Storm60]

Chris....I was born at night, not last night. I realize, now that you have sold an F-ton of units, Bioware doesn't have to care about the customers it just pissed off. However from a business stand point, this could be a colossal pooch screwing. Realize that some of the people you have just pissed off, then ignored may never buy a game from you again. Don't insult the gamers you rely on to stay in business and expect there not to be an effect. It was a good game with a rats ass ending. Own it. Don't deflect, don't say you're listening if you don't intend to do anything about what you are supposedly listening to. In essence don't ****** on me and try to tell me it's raining. "Fix" the ending or don't, but, never assume the people you are talking to are stupid. I hope I don't get banned for this....

[Voodoo2015]

Storm60 wrote...

Chris....I was born at night, not last night. I realize, now that you have sold an F-ton of units, Bioware doesn't have to care about the customers it just pissed off. However from a business stand point, this could be a colossal pooch screwing. Realize that some of the people you have just pissed off, then ignored may never buy a game from you again. Don't insult the gamers you rely on to stay in business and expect there not to be an effect. It was a good game with a rats ass ending. Own it. Don't deflect, don't say you're listening if you don't intend to do anything about what you are supposedly listening to. In essence don't ****** on me and try to tell me it's raining. "Fix" the ending or don't, but, never assume the people you are talking to are stupid. I hope I don't get banned for this....

Word!

Hold The Line!

[jeweledleah]

honestly at this point the only thing that will restore even a modicum of faith for me is ability to have an ending where relays don't blow up and Shepard gets to reunite with her/his crew. alive obviously. if that is not an option? I'm done.

I'm not ashamed of wanting "happy" ending. its something I've been able to accomplish in every bioware game I played prior to Mass Effect 3. even Dragon Age 2, to a degree (ending of DA2 is as bittersweet as I can go). its part of the reason I loved bioware game. this sense of joy I could derive from having my hero reap their just rewards, for all that they have done.

if this is not something I can expect from bioware games anymore? I'm done. I'll play games that do allow me that joy, or MMO's who simply don't have personal endings, or just go back to deriving my fiction induced joy from books and movies alone.

we all want different things and we're all willing to accept varying degrees of bitter or sweet. this is mine.

[Suko Reia]

I finished my first play. All paragon, everything was perfect, so perfect for me, the music, the action, i had high and sad moments playing it, i cried when the doctor died... God!! The game give me really good moments, come on! I was thinking that i was shepard because i really feel the chaos.

I really enjoy my first play, except for the end. I have my mass effect datapad, my mass effect infiltrator and i played the multiplayer just to have around 7000 and that didnt help me to have a better ending....I mean, the ending that everybody want!!
Yeah. I had my perfect ending if you can called it!! Because you can see in the last minutes that there is somebody that looks like shepard, it can be maybe a soldier or whatever but you still think that he is shepard!!! Because nobody want him dead...

I love the anime, and i know that their ends are really bad because the ends are so realistic that they show you the reality of the life that nothing can be good at the last part of the way. You know what i mean.

But... Come on! We dont want our game to be like the real life, i played because i want to get out for a while and enjoy my self playing a good game, you know, just enjoy a happy ending like the movies from disney where everything and everybody lives happy forever.

So....
The game was Perfect.
but a better ending can make the game legendary!!!

Modifié par Suko Reia, 27 mars 2012 - 11:34 .

[KUNG PLOW]

Dear Bioware,

When I bought the ME games instead of some of the amorphous blob that is Modern Warfare/Call of Duty/Guns-Bombs-and-the-Colour-Brown it was because I believed that Bioware was really pushing the "video games are a new storytelling medium" envelope and I was excited to get to play a space hero who actually affected the outcome of the story. ME3 failed to deliver on its most important promise and I just dont feel like I got what I payed for. However you justify the endings. Artistic License or whatever, you still didnt deliver what your customers thought they were paying for.
This isnt just a bad review on amazon cuz 1 customer didnt understand the product they bought. This is 90% of your customers feeling cheated. I get that you can just take the money and walk. Its just that after KOTOR and DA:O and ME I thought you guys had more integrity than that.

Sincerely Disillusioned

[Pectar]

I am not entirely sure if this was an intentional act by Bioware, or a forced hand by EA. Track records for these two companies point to this either being a brilliant poly by Bioware, or a rush-job induced by EA.

[Haranalee]

Voodoo2015 wrote...

Yes all of your choices made ​​a difference up to 5 minutes before the end.
Then you could throw them out the window.becaurce whatever you did how much you've gained. It di not mather because we all got the same ending no matter what choice you did.

And why must Shep sacrifice him self. And don't answer because it is an epic dark tale.

But the point is of course the BW to promise us a lot of different endings not a lot of endings that are the same with a twist.
It they lied to us.

I'll always take more from them storywise, sure, but I was satisfied with my Shep's ending. I don't see what else she can accomplish in that world that will be a worthy continuation of her story post-apocalypse (but please, BioWare, prove me wrong and give me more Shep). I didn't much mind her death because she was mortally wounded on her way to the Citadel, so, at least she used her dying breath to do something magnificent. That said, you'll counter with: yeah, but why did she have to be mortally wounded? Well, I don't know, but I don't find it out of the realm of possibility when running on foot toward a reaper (that was Harbinger, wasn't it?).