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[jdranetz]

Please create more options for happier endings. I've lived in this world you've created, felt for the characters you created. More than a few people are living vicariously through Commander Shepard. Don't kill me, don't destroy my world, don't destroy my galaxy, don't destroy my universe.

[Cross429]

To this:

Reviewers Talk: Mass Effect 3

I'd simply say this:

Mass Effect, Tolkien...

What's funny as I'd typically agree with the reviewers in the first post. I don't believe that art, by default, should be changed in response to fan pressure.

But what if said art is inadvertently self-compromising (admittedly a pretty open question)? And, in this new art form, is not the role of player choice so key to its integrity that the artists' abandoment of player choice abrogates this integrity?

Anyway, I am (of course) praying for IT and that all my Holding the Line turns out to be moot. But I think the second link makes the above point universally and pointedly (note:  I have complete respect for Bioware, and don't mean to suggest any lack of it by linking to a post with raunchy language. In this case, I think that this language - used appropriately - reflects what went through the average fan's mind after completing the series IN SPITE of all that made it great, and that BW should see it. To emphasize: I take the piece as well-argued, thoughtful and potentially constructive analogy.)

Modifié par Cross429, 27 mars 2012 - 11:55 .

[AlianceN7Marine]

 Hey Just saw this on twiter:



Looks intresting

[Ghostchan]

My favorite moment in mass effect 3 was shooting bottles with garrus.
It was a lovely moment.

I was suprised however when Garrus and kaiden had no tension between them despite the fact that i romanced them both.

There was no fight for Femshep at all, i told kaidan we were friends and he was like oh okay.

The part that broke my heart was mordin dying. If i hear that song i start crying now.
That, was a beautiful moment as well, sad and wonderful.

I feel like the interaction with the characters could have been better, and the side missions were no fun at all.

The ending disapointed me. I expected sheppard to die, i was prepared for a heart breaking ending.So im not at all mad that it ended sadly.

I just feel like the end was so...contrast to the rest of the game, sloppy, and rushed. It felt more like a fan fic than a part of the game.

There was no closure.

This game, this series, all beautiful. I can tell a lot of love and work went into it. Im not sure why it feels so empty towards the end and rushed, But thats the impression i get.

I have not worked up the courage to play multiplayer or play through a second time. But when i do i hope theres more content to enjoy.

PS. I loved the prothean. He was my favorite new crew mate!

[jeweledleah]

@ Ghostchan - Kaidan and Garrus are shown to be on friendly terms with each other and both respect Shepard too much not to respect her choices, whatever they may be. if I'm glad for one thing is that they kept that particular drama out of relationships.. now if only they didn't use that "cheating" word >_>

P.S. Prothean putting James in his place was one of my favorite moments. if I had mixed feelings about him before, that moment? he became one of my favorites.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 28 mars 2012 - 12:25 .

[The JoeMan]

Saw this on twitter. Not sure if already posted.

Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect
@satootaku We never said we were changing it We have ALWAYS had big plans for ME3. It isn't a response-It's been in the works

[Ghostchan]

jeweledleah wrote...

@ Ghostchan - Kaidan and Garrus are shown to be on friendly terms with each other and both respect Shepard too much not to respect her choices, whatever they may be. if I'm glad for one thing is that they kept that particular drama out of relationships.. now if only they didn't use that "cheating" word >_>

P.S. Prothean putting James in his place was one of my favorite moments. if I had mixed feelings about him before, that moment? he became one of my favorites.

That makes sense, But the thing is real love dose not work that way.  Love is very, very jelous and it makes people do things they would not normally do and act against character. (i think thats why the jedi avoid it lol)
I feel like it wasnt really love if they just act like it never happened...Respect is one thing but humans are anything but constant. (we are a crazy race)

As for the Prothean, he was amazing right!? at first i was not sure what to expect, but the moment he showed up i was in love!  what is it with me and angry jaded alien men?
(was not into garrus until he went all rouge haha)

I have to agree with you, that moment was pretty cool. I also loved that he could see things the way he did. All the lore i learned form the character made it well worth the money to add him to the game.  I enjoyed every conversation i forced out of him. And he was good in battle too.

I never really liked james, something about his character and the reporter too was just too bland.

[Beanstalk]

The indoc theory has some merit in that it seems that Bioware was indeed playing around with the idea, but ultimately decided to drop it:

"And even in November, the gameplay team was still experimenting with an
end-game sequence where players would suddenly lose control of
Shepard's movement and fall under full Reaper control. (This sequence
was dropped because the gameplay mechanic proved too troublesome to
implement alongside dialogue choices)."

However, I do not think they can go back and put that idea back in. This would have been a prime example of a false climax, which only works if you're not expecting it.
As it stands, almost everybody would be expecting it now.

Modifié par Beanstalk, 28 mars 2012 - 12:39 .

[jeweledleah]

Ghostchan wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

@ Ghostchan - Kaidan and Garrus are shown to be on friendly terms with each other and both respect Shepard too much not to respect her choices, whatever they may be. if I'm glad for one thing is that they kept that particular drama out of relationships.. now if only they didn't use that "cheating" word >_>

P.S. Prothean putting James in his place was one of my favorite moments. if I had mixed feelings about him before, that moment? he became one of my favorites.

That makes sense, But the thing is real love dose not work that way.  Love is very, very jelous and it makes people do things they would not normally do and act against character. (i think thats why the jedi avoid it lol)
I feel like it wasnt really love if they just act like it never happened...Respect is one thing but humans are anything but constant. (we are a crazy race)

As for the Prothean, he was amazing right!? at first i was not sure what to expect, but the moment he showed up i was in love!  what is it with me and angry jaded alien men?
(was not into garrus until he went all rouge haha)

I have to agree with you, that moment was pretty cool. I also loved that he could see things the way he did. All the lore i learned form the character made it well worth the money to add him to the game.  I enjoyed every conversation i forced out of him. And he was good in battle too.

I never really liked james, something about his character and the reporter too was just too bland.

its Kaidan we're talking about though.  the "just make a choice shepard, if its not me, I'll get over it, eventualy" in ME1 and if you pick Liara, he just puts on a brave face and walks away with I have to go, do.. work". He sounded pretty crushed with his "not the answer I wanted to hear" before he collected himself.  and he doesn't offer friendship dialogue like he does with friend Shepard (or even fishing with maleshep and being rejected - which puts an interesting light on how much less he's invested into that potential relationship, versus femshep - new romance or old).  instead he, kinda bitterly quips about her buying her own dinner. judging by how Garrus acts in ME2 if you reject him, they are very similar in that regard.  they might be crushed, but they accept Shepard's choice.

different people process love differently and while they may feel strongly, they may not express it with jealousy and/or fighting.  I can relate, to be honest. my first love, the one I remember to this day, even though its been over 20 years and I've been happily married for.. a while.  when I put my heart out there and he didn't feel the same way about me, but was into another girl.  I put on a brave smile, wished him all the best, and then cried my eyes out in private, until I was ready to face him again (we were friends)  without acting like an idiot.  too much pride among other things.

anyways.  I liked James at first.  but by the time I played for a while, he started to annoy me.  as did, to my endless surprise - Joker.  EDI turned out ot be better then expected and Javik's caustic wit was exceptionaly well written.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 28 mars 2012 - 12:51 .

[DaAce3252]

I just want to see my little blue babies run around, finally settle down while I die from old age (maybe live alot longer than the average human since what happened in ME2) and let my children carry the Shepard legacy in future when a new danger arrives.

The Milky Way Galaxy isn't the only galaxy in the universe...

[KUNG PLOW]

Beanstalk wrote...

The indoc theory has some merit in that it seems that Bioware was indeed playing around with the idea, but ultimately decided to drop it:

"And even in November, the gameplay team was still experimenting with an
end-game sequence where players would suddenly lose control of
Shepard's movement and fall under full Reaper control. (This sequence
was dropped because the gameplay mechanic proved too troublesome to
implement alongside dialogue choices)."

However, I do not think they can go back and put that idea back in. This would have been a prime example of a false climax, which only works if you're not expecting it.
As it stands, almost everybody would be expecting it now.

Hoping for it and expecting it are not the same thing.

I just dont get it. The end doesnt fit. It feels like a low bugent cop out. Did they suddenly switch lead writers or something? Sudden change in management? I find it hard to believe that the workers in the bioware studio are happy with this.

[Phaelducan]

That reads to me like they dropped the *gameplay* element, but not the concept. You are in control of Shep's actions during the sequence. That doesn't mean the scenario presented is reality.

Not saying that indoctrination is for sure what is going on, but I think it's certainly plausible.

[Ghostchan]

[/quote]

its Kaidan we're talking about though.  the "just make a choice shepard, if its not me, I'll get over it, eventualy" in ME1 and if you pick Liara, he just puts on a brave face and walks away with I have to go, do.. work". He sounded pretty crushed with his "not the answer I wanted to hear" before he collected himself.  and he doesn't offer friendship dialogue like he does with friend Shepard (or even fishing with maleshep and being rejected - which puts an interesting light on how much less he's invested into that potential relationship, versus femshep - new romance or old).  instead he, kinda bitterly quips about her buying her own dinner. judging by how Garrus acts in ME2 if you reject him, they are very similar in that regard.  they might be crushed, but they accept Shepard's choice.

different people process love differently and while they may feel strongly, they may not express it with jealousy and/or fighting.  I can relate, to be honest. my first love, the one I remember to this day, even though its been over 20 years and I've been happily married for.. a while.  when I put my heart out there and he didn't feel the same way about me, but was into another girl.  I put on a brave smile, wished him all the best, and then cried my eyes out in private, until I was ready to face him again (we were friends)  without acting like an idiot.  too much pride among other things.

anyways.  I liked James at first.  but by the time I played for a while, he started to annoy me.  as did, to my endless surprise - Joker.  EDI turned out ot be better then expected and Javik's caustic wit was exceptionaly well written.

[/quote]


That makes me feel better about that. Thanks for explaining some of thire persnonalty to me.

EDI did turn out to be pretty neat. I ended up taking her with me half the time. And Javik as well. Between the two of them i was never bored on a mission. Someone always had something to say.

[Silvair]

My thing is...I don't want Bioware to GET RID of the current ending(s). I just want them to be an OPTION, rather than the only possible outcome.

[Beanstalk]

By the way, another logic hole:

The citadel has closed its arms, no one can get in.

Hmm, didn't we have that same problem before? Wasn't there a very expedient solution for it?

[ilWarden]

First-draft of -MY- ending.  
Let me know what you think. (Obviously the renegade ending would vary, based on who lived/died. Minor script modifications would be needed to show/relay that. But core concept would remain the same.)
-------------------------------------
The following events take place after the docking of the Crucible and Shepard passing out on the control dais.
Shepard wakes up to the Catalyst in front of him, in the haunting, ethereal form of the dead Earth-child who's been plaguing his nightmares.

Many of the same dialogue options that existed in current ending scenarios persist. (thereby not requiring re-write, or re-recording of V.o.)

The Catalyst presents Shepard with the same 3 arbitrary choices - the -only- choices as perceived to be inevitable by the Catalyst.

Additional Paragon choice (if reputation/level is high enough) flashes while the Catalyst is finishing his
explanation of the 3 choices.
If the paragon trigger is successful:
Shep: "All life only seeks two things, to ensure its survival and to create more life. Artificial life wants the same things as we do. Look at the Geth battles with the Quarians for evidence of that. It doesn't matter if we're circuitry or nerve-endings.
This universe is massive. Leave this Galaxy. You don't need it, or us to ensure your survival. You've given me the choice to destroy you, right now. But i won't - because i can see an option you can't. We can end this. Today. Build your own civilization in the expanses between organic space. You will ensure your own survival, and ours. We can both be left to pursue our own evolution. Naturally. In time. If that one day leads to synthesis, then so be it. But that will not be a choice that occurs as a result of one man - but of one species. Harvesting isn't the answer. It's subjugation. And subjugation is what breeds the rebellion - the essence of chaos you fear.
Assign an ambassador to the Council. Yourself, if need be - since you're already here. There does not need to be any further loss on either side. How is it that a simple organic can do galaxy wide what your solution to chaos has been unable to otherwise accomplish? Synthetics and organics can have peace. You say the crucible opened new options for you - new ways of considering things, and yet an Organic stands before you giving you further choices. Make the right one. Please."

The catalyst pauses, considering.
" This...is difficult to accept. I do not know if i agree. My current solution no longer works. I must come up with another. I will... consider yours."

With that, the Catalyst abruptly flickers out. The Crucible starts to power up. Shepard shields his eyes.
Cut to exterior. The Citadel turns, pointing the Crucible to an empty region of space not occupied by the chaos
of battle. It fires, opening a massive wormhole. Nearby debris is sucked through. The Reapers simultaneously
break off attack and speed to the wormhole in a mass exodus. As the last reaper passes, the portal closes behind it. Where they went, is anyone's guess.
(re-utilize some of existing cut-scenes of Reapers taking off from Earth and exultant soldiers.)

Cut to interior of Citadel/Crucible. The Citadel is crumbling, destroyed by the overload from the firing of the
Crucible. Shep limp-runs as fast as he can, trying to make his way back - trying to make his way out.
(re-utilize slow, sad piano end-game music & flashback moments as he tries desperately to get out.)
Com-chatter is a mix of confusion and elation. One voice begins to rise above the others. It's shep's love
interest (whomever that may be, based on in-game choices).
Love: "Shepard...? Shepard are you there? Answer me, dammit. Shepard!"
Shep: "It's alright. I'm ok. The reapers are gone, for now."
Love: "I know, we saw! Joker's heading to the Citadel right now, we're coming to get you. Just hang on!"
Shep (making it to the bridge that lead to the Crucible control room) It's destroyed. "Belay that. Tell him to radio the fleets and get everyone to a safe distance. This place is coming down fast."
Love: "no, there's still time...i can..."
Shep (cutting love interest off, firmly at first, then softly, somberly): "No, listen. It's up to you, now. You and everyone else. We have to make peace and keep it. We have to be ready for the Reapers if they come again. Lead the way."
Love: "I will. I love you."
Shep: "I..." (the citadel explodes in a blinding, mute flash & fadeout)
(If EMS/Previous game choices/etc are high enough, you can still use the final Shep cutscene where he gasps.)
Or:
Text: "3 years later."
Montage of quick game-engine shots. Slow, victorious music plays, building to a crescendo with final scene. Show the characters team-mates the player utilized most in the 3 games, where applicable (ie 'where still alive').
Cut to Earth, rebuilding Vancouver. James & Ashley/Kaidan with an N7 on their uniforms, saluting Hackett
(presumably having been just given a mission). Jacob with a toddler. Garrus with his father and sister.  Tali on
Rannoch (if love-interest, pan out to show her standing beside a child, presumably Sheps). Miranda with Ori.
Wrex & Eve on Tuchanka - Wrex calling "mordin!" and a little wrex-let comes running. Liara hard at work w/shadow
broker business with Glyph nearby - panning sideways, we see a Shepard portrait (the players) on her desktop.
(additional characters, etc.) Last montage element: Joker & Edi with arms around each others waists, view from
the back - panning up and over them, they're in a graveyard. Shepards tombstone. "He/She united a galaxy and
preserved a future for us all."  fadeout, to space, Earth, sunrise over the horizon. Fade to black & credits.
(Open for sequels with the Reapers still a threat and cameo's from surviving characters! See?)
--------------------------------
OR:
Additonal Renegade choice flashes (simultaneous with Paragon, above - giving player choice of how they want the series to ultimately end based on who their shepard has been, all along.).
This choice also dependent upon if Geth Lived/Quarians died, or Quarians lived/Geth died, or both lived. Modify
script accordingly. In case below, both survived.
If trigger is successful:
"Enough. I'm tired of your race thinking they have all the answers. Tired of dictating how organics should live
and when they should die. Organics created you and it seems like in this case, we have an answer you don't. Your
choices come from the limitations of your original programming.  True synthetics learn the value of peace. Learn
the value of co-existence. Look at EDI. Look at the Quarians and the Geth. It's strength in the diversity of the
races that have come together, that allows me to stand here now - synthetic or organic. If you can't see that,
you're no better than a VI."

The Catalyst pauses, considering.
"No, this is incorrect. You must ch..."
Shep, interrupting: "I'm done with this. Tali, are the Geth ready to deploy?"
Tali (over comm) "Just say the word, Shepard."
Shep: "Do it."
Cut to Tali nodding, and pressing a button on a control display. The Geth fleet mobilizes, surrounding the
Crucible's docking area. Some ships come under heavy fire, but like relentless worker-ants, new ships merely
file in to take the lost ones place.
Cut to Shep talking to Catalyst: "While you were busy harvesting, we were taking what we'd learned from your
time with the Geth to work up a little surprise. The Quarians came up with the idea, originally. A flashbang. It
was supposed to be used to destroy the Geth. That's what drove them to you to begin with. Well the Geth are
tired of being dominated. Tired of running. They're individuals now, and they want some payback. We've merged
the Quarian/Geth technology to what we learned of the Crucible. It's not what you planned, anymore. It's our
galaxy. Our choice. And we want it back!"

Cut to the Geth ships linking together in a neuron-like web. Geth are shown inside their varied space-craft,
plugging into consoles, their cyclopean eyes flashing in rhythmic pattern, in unison.

Cut back to Shep: "Say hello to Legion, you son of a ****." He turns and walks away.
The Geth ships give out an energy pulse directed to the crucible. The crucible seems to absorb it at first and
there's a brief pause where nothing happens. Suddenly, the pulse echoes back out, amplified by the power of the
crucible. The pulse-wave breaches the boundary of the citadel and speeds out into space. Any Reaper it touches,
immediately stops, stunned.
Cut to Hackett: "The Geth did it! The Reapers are stunned! Mass Effect fields register zero. All fleets, target nearest reaper and open fire!"
The fleets open fire on the stunned targets. The reaper shells appear to take the damage for a moment, and then
crumble under the withering fire of the galaxies combined fleets. Reaper bits start to fall into orbit & burn.
Cut to ground-based reapers. Ground tanks, mortars, and 'portable nukes' open fire, causing reapers en-masse to crumble.
Ending montage same as above..

BIOWARE FEEL FREE TO USE!
 

Love you guys. You really did make an awesome series here, otherwise. Never been as emotionally affected by a game before, until this came along.

[Futch007]

Silvair wrote...

My thing is...I don't want Bioware to GET RID of the current ending(s). I just want them to be an OPTION, rather than the only possible outcome.

Agreed. Check out my ending here. Now with closure.

http://redd.it/rgj3g

[Sans Changer]

Futch007 wrote...

Silvair wrote...

My thing is...I don't want Bioware to GET RID of the current ending(s). I just want them to be an OPTION, rather than the only possible outcome.

Agreed. Check out my ending here. Now with closure.

http://redd.it/rgj3g

Ditto; I don't want the ending changed at all, I just want some more layers stacked onto it... and maybe a half-dozen post-endings- (maybe 2 for each option the player had at the end of ME3?) each drawing from the endings we see in the game, but each also going different places, and actually dependent on player choices over the course of the three games. And with closure.

This is why the Indoctrination Theory works so good. There's all kinds of places the game could go from there.

[KUNG PLOW]

Just want to say that if this Terminator/Mass Shift stuff hearing is true I wont be buying any more bioware or EA products. I loved to love you guys and Im gonna hate hating you but you really screwed the pooch on this one. I mean seriously? Space God? That **** might fly with DA... where you know... they mentioned god early in the franchise... but just bringing in space god in the last five mins give you your options?

I was your fanboy. I hyped all your products to every one. You were pope style infallable.
Now its an all out boycott untill this **** gets fixed. and i mean fixed. not, let me be very clear, not space god possesses shepard. I dont care about space god. I didnt spend hundreds of hours learning to love space god and space gods friends. space god can go hit space puberty and discover space porn and space play with himself cuz is sure dont wanna play with him at all.

Modifié par KUNG PLOW, 28 mars 2012 - 01:29 .

[Dalis918]

You know, the conspiracy theorist in me states "They're letting us talk and not giving many answers in the hopes that somebody will come up with a perfect solution for them to grab and use to dig themselves out of the pit they find themselves in."
Ignoring that voice, I would like to see what the powers that be have to say about some of the stuff that happens here. You know, just to prove they are actually listening.

[JackLaVaporiera]

Indoctrination theory is BS.

When we see Shepard to take that breath there was supposed to be a big huge MESS around IF it should have been only a dream or an indoctrination attempt, instead there is "silence".

WHOOPSIE! EPIC FAIL !

[Futch007]

Absolutely Sans Changer. BioWare did such amazing work across all these games allowing players to chart their course through the sea of alts they laid out. Only seems fitting to bring out people and things that had effects on us across the whole journey in a little denouement. Some might call it cliche, but after 100+ hours of amazing story-craft, I think it is just the catharsis the player needs. (Though that does not mean they need to be given it.)

Simply writing down my ideas of how it might go made me feel better...

I shared them here: http://redd.it/rgj3g

[JackLaVaporiera]

ilWarden wrote...

First-draft of -MY- ending.  
Let me know what you think.

Remarkable.

[improperdancing]

Silvair wrote...

My thing is...I don't want Bioware to GET RID of the current ending(s). I just want them to be an OPTION, rather than the only possible outcome.

Not me.  I want them to be deleted, the pages on which they were written burned, and all evidence of them scorched from the earth.  And if they want to fire whoever wrote them, I'm okay with that too.

[Commander Chris N7]

JackLaVaporiera wrote...

ilWarden wrote...

First-draft of -MY- ending.  
Let me know what you think.

Remarkable.

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