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[Randy Woolley]

Omnike wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

I see most everyone still has entitlement issues... I thought the endings were just fine and I honestly hope that Bioware doesn't listen to a bunch of whiners and change.. I really think a lot of you need to get out of the house more often.. It's just a game people..

Troll. You're bad at this.

Nope.. Not a troll.. I actually do love the games and I think the endings are just fine... I just find it funny how many people are whining over it, like they have a right to demand a new ending.

Well, considering I paid for 16 endings and not ABC, yeah I think I feel justifed demanding what I paid for.

(Yawn)

[Thanatos144]

Omnike wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Keridwen wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Life is like this. You don't always get a happy ending

You are a strage fellow
irrespective of youre wide experiences about life, have you ever heard about a real happy end?
A story, a game or a book/movie can have a happy ending,
but life never does... it always ends with death.
And some of us do play games to get distracted form rl just a little bit... so why not a happy ending for ME3?
Like in ME2 you really had to work for a happy end, and if you don`t there is always the alternative...

Keelah Se'lai

My wide experiance is quite extensive actually yet that bears little to do with this game. There are very few plot holes in the end that wont most lily be a DLC like the whole taking back Omega. I do feel having Shepard die or making it ambivalent is the smart way to go. I know people want the rainbows and blue babies ending but thats just not going to happen. Never did they nopt say this is the end of Shepards story. I have gave my interpatation of the ending especially were it pertains to the catalyst. I am not a fan boy who thinks Bioware cabn do no wrong point in fact is have you played Dragon Age Origins on the PS3???? The controls suck. Still. I do not begrudge people wanting a happy or even a more derverse ending. I am still going to stick up for a good ending though even if a few found it to hard to understand.

You toss hard to understand around. There was nothing to understand. No one can understand it. Even you don't understand it because your excuse for the nonsense was "The writers put it there". That is not an excuse for poor writing. In fact, that's the reason we're angry. "The writers put it in there" is exactly why we have a problem; it shouldn't be there.

You seem to be under the delusion that you  have more of a right to how this game is writen than those who wrote it........You dont like the ending??????Okay you dont like it. Not here to make you like it I am here statuing my opinion. Sorry but that doesnt make me a fanboy or a troll cause I dont think like you. Nope in my mind that makes me more like me.

In a way, I'm part of the reason EA and Bioware are still even in business. It's called producer-consumer trust. They lied, that trust is broken. So, in my eyes, I do have a right to some of that because they lied to me.

"Hey, 16 totally different endings in this game. Here you go!"

"Okay, where are the engins that I paid for in this game?"

You can't do that, it's not okay. And you said you understood the ending. I have yet to see you demonstrate that. You shift it off and then tell me that we're acting entitled. Well damn, I'd love to understand the endings as you have claimed to.

dbl posted

Modifié par Thanatos144, 29 mars 2012 - 06:45 .

[Omnike]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Keridwen wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Life is like this. You don't always get a happy ending

You are a strage fellow
irrespective of youre wide experiences about life, have you ever heard about a real happy end?
A story, a game or a book/movie can have a happy ending,
but life never does... it always ends with death.
And some of us do play games to get distracted form rl just a little bit... so why not a happy ending for ME3?
Like in ME2 you really had to work for a happy end, and if you don`t there is always the alternative...

Keelah Se'lai

My wide experiance is quite extensive actually yet that bears little to do with this game. There are very few plot holes in the end that wont most lily be a DLC like the whole taking back Omega. I do feel having Shepard die or making it ambivalent is the smart way to go. I know people want the rainbows and blue babies ending but thats just not going to happen. Never did they nopt say this is the end of Shepards story. I have gave my interpatation of the ending especially were it pertains to the catalyst. I am not a fan boy who thinks Bioware cabn do no wrong point in fact is have you played Dragon Age Origins on the PS3???? The controls suck. Still. I do not begrudge people wanting a happy or even a more derverse ending. I am still going to stick up for a good ending though even if a few found it to hard to understand.

You toss hard to understand around. There was nothing to understand. No one can understand it. Even you don't understand it because your excuse for the nonsense was "The writers put it there". That is not an excuse for poor writing. In fact, that's the reason we're angry. "The writers put it in there" is exactly why we have a problem; it shouldn't be there.

You seem to be under the delusion that you  have more of a right to how this game is writen than those who wrote it........You dont like the ending??????Okay you dont like it. Not here to make you like it I am here statuing my opinion. Sorry but that doesnt make me a fanboy or a troll cause I dont think like you. Nope in my mind that makes me more like me.

In a way, I'm part of the reason EA and Bioware are still even in business. It's called producer-consumer trust. They lied, that trust is broken. So, in my eyes, I do have a right to some of that because they lied to me.

"Hey, 16 totally different endings in this game. Here you go!"

"Okay, where are the engins that I paid for in this game?"

You can't do that, it's not okay. And you said you understood the ending. I have yet to see you demonstrate that. You shift it off and then tell me that we're acting entitled. Well damn, I'd love to understand the endings as you have claimed to.

I am sure EA will survive without your 60 bucks..........That being said you are not entitalled to any ending but what they give you.....As for this stupid 16 endings you all keep harping on....It wasnt rpomised it was a idea they were working on... Guess they changed thier mind. You mad cause they didnt as your permission first to do something with a product you dont own??????

I do own the product. I bought it when they told me that I'd get 16 different endings. Then last minute they wrote up a slapdash ending, swapped the color palette, and then said "we smeared our artistic integrity all over it". The endings were awful, made no sense in the context of the rest of the story, and they lied about them without telling anyone that they decided not to have the game end in a way that made sense.

[garytwine]

Randy Woolley wrote...

I see most everyone still has entitlement issues... I thought the endings were just fine and I honestly hope that Bioware doesn't listen to a bunch of whiners and change.. I really think a lot of you need to get out of the house more often.. It's just a game people..

You're obviously easily pleased then. I guess you must really enjoy Uve Boll movies as well. I wouldnt be surprised if Bioware had hired him to write ME3's ending.

[FairfaxLessee]

Omnike wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

I see most everyone still has entitlement issues... I thought the endings were just fine and I honestly hope that Bioware doesn't listen to a bunch of whiners and change.. I really think a lot of you need to get out of the house more often.. It's just a game people..

Troll. You're bad at this.

Nope.. Not a troll.. I actually do love the games and I think the endings are just fine... I just find it funny how many people are whining over it, like they have a right to demand a new ending.

Well, considering I paid for 16 endings and not ABC, yeah I think I feel justifed demanding what I paid for.

Well said sir or madam, well said.

Also, it's not about entitlement, it's about fitness for a particular purpose

Modifié par FairfaxLessee, 29 mars 2012 - 06:48 .

[Thanatos144]

Omnike wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

I see most everyone still has entitlement issues... I thought the endings were just fine and I honestly hope that Bioware doesn't listen to a bunch of whiners and change.. I really think a lot of you need to get out of the house more often.. It's just a game people..

Troll. You're bad at this.

Nope.. Not a troll.. I actually do love the games and I think the endings are just fine... I just find it funny how many people are whining over it, like they have a right to demand a new ending.

Well, considering I paid for 16 endings and not ABC, yeah I think I feel justifed demanding what I paid for.

Then you were not smart enough to understand a concept does not equal actual product.

[GlennWH]

jeweledleah wrote...


and I'm sorry, but unless fans bodily kidnap Mass Effect writing team, break everyone's legs and then hold them hostage untill they rewrite the ending - comparisons to mysery are incredibly insulting.  we're doing NOTHING of the sort.  we're merely telling them what it would take to KEEP us as costumers.  if Kathy Bates acted the way fans do, at most she'd tell the writer (in writing)  that if he doesn't change the ending, she'd never buy another one of his books again.

This.

Bioware is under no obligation to change the ending.

I am under no obligation to give them my money.

[Randy Woolley]

garytwine wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

I see most everyone still has entitlement issues... I thought the endings were just fine and I honestly hope that Bioware doesn't listen to a bunch of whiners and change.. I really think a lot of you need to get out of the house more often.. It's just a game people..

You're obviously easily pleased then. I guess you must really enjoy Uve Boll movies as well. I wouldnt be surprised if Bioware had hired him to write ME3's ending.

No, I'm just not under the misundestanding that I am ENTITLED to a game ending because I say so.. It's a product... You don't like it.. Don't buy it... Simple as that..

[Thanatos144]

Omnike wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Keridwen wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Life is like this. You don't always get a happy ending

You are a strage fellow
irrespective of youre wide experiences about life, have you ever heard about a real happy end?
A story, a game or a book/movie can have a happy ending,
but life never does... it always ends with death.
And some of us do play games to get distracted form rl just a little bit... so why not a happy ending for ME3?
Like in ME2 you really had to work for a happy end, and if you don`t there is always the alternative...

Keelah Se'lai

My wide experiance is quite extensive actually yet that bears little to do with this game. There are very few plot holes in the end that wont most lily be a DLC like the whole taking back Omega. I do feel having Shepard die or making it ambivalent is the smart way to go. I know people want the rainbows and blue babies ending but thats just not going to happen. Never did they nopt say this is the end of Shepards story. I have gave my interpatation of the ending especially were it pertains to the catalyst. I am not a fan boy who thinks Bioware cabn do no wrong point in fact is have you played Dragon Age Origins on the PS3???? The controls suck. Still. I do not begrudge people wanting a happy or even a more derverse ending. I am still going to stick up for a good ending though even if a few found it to hard to understand.

You toss hard to understand around. There was nothing to understand. No one can understand it. Even you don't understand it because your excuse for the nonsense was "The writers put it there". That is not an excuse for poor writing. In fact, that's the reason we're angry. "The writers put it in there" is exactly why we have a problem; it shouldn't be there.

You seem to be under the delusion that you  have more of a right to how this game is writen than those who wrote it........You dont like the ending??????Okay you dont like it. Not here to make you like it I am here statuing my opinion. Sorry but that doesnt make me a fanboy or a troll cause I dont think like you. Nope in my mind that makes me more like me.

In a way, I'm part of the reason EA and Bioware are still even in business. It's called producer-consumer trust. They lied, that trust is broken. So, in my eyes, I do have a right to some of that because they lied to me.

"Hey, 16 totally different endings in this game. Here you go!"

"Okay, where are the engins that I paid for in this game?"

You can't do that, it's not okay. And you said you understood the ending. I have yet to see you demonstrate that. You shift it off and then tell me that we're acting entitled. Well damn, I'd love to understand the endings as you have claimed to.

I am sure EA will survive without your 60 bucks..........That being said you are not entitalled to any ending but what they give you.....As for this stupid 16 endings you all keep harping on....It wasnt rpomised it was a idea they were working on... Guess they changed thier mind. You mad cause they didnt as your permission first to do something with a product you dont own??????

I do own the product. I bought it when they told me that I'd get 16 different endings. Then last minute they wrote up a slapdash ending, swapped the color palette, and then said "we smeared our artistic integrity all over it". The endings were awful, made no sense in the context of the rest of the story, and they lied about them without telling anyone that they decided not to have the game end in a way that made sense.

You own the licends to play it...You dont own the content.

[Randy Woolley]

GlennWH wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...


and I'm sorry, but unless fans bodily kidnap Mass Effect writing team, break everyone's legs and then hold them hostage untill they rewrite the ending - comparisons to mysery are incredibly insulting.  we're doing NOTHING of the sort.  we're merely telling them what it would take to KEEP us as costumers.  if Kathy Bates acted the way fans do, at most she'd tell the writer (in writing)  that if he doesn't change the ending, she'd never buy another one of his books again.

This.

Bioware is under no obligation to change the ending.

I am under no obligation to give them my money.

Hey.. That sounds familiar.. Oh, yeah, that's right.. I said that pages back when I brought up Misery and how the "fans" were treating this ending..  Glad to see I'm not alone.

Modifié par Randy Woolley, 29 mars 2012 - 06:48 .

[STAG IRONHIDE]

Randy Woolley wrote...


If you can't see the difference, then I can't help you.

Did you even watch the video or playthrough the different endings? There's about 5-20 seconds worth of difference in each ending. Try harder next time.

[Thanatos144]

GlennWH wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...


and I'm sorry, but unless fans bodily kidnap Mass Effect writing team, break everyone's legs and then hold them hostage untill they rewrite the ending - comparisons to mysery are incredibly insulting.  we're doing NOTHING of the sort.  we're merely telling them what it would take to KEEP us as costumers.  if Kathy Bates acted the way fans do, at most she'd tell the writer (in writing)  that if he doesn't change the ending, she'd never buy another one of his books again.

This.

Bioware is under no obligation to change the ending.

I am under no obligation to give them my money.

Now thats a reasonble and thoughtful post......Thank you for that.

[Omnike]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

I see most everyone still has entitlement issues... I thought the endings were just fine and I honestly hope that Bioware doesn't listen to a bunch of whiners and change.. I really think a lot of you need to get out of the house more often.. It's just a game people..

Troll. You're bad at this.

Nope.. Not a troll.. I actually do love the games and I think the endings are just fine... I just find it funny how many people are whining over it, like they have a right to demand a new ending.

Well, considering I paid for 16 endings and not ABC, yeah I think I feel justifed demanding what I paid for.

Then you were not smart enough to understand a concept does not equal actual product.

It was not a concept. They said that's how they were ending the games. Saying "I'm going to build a tree fort" does not mean the same thing as "I'm thinking about building a tree fort". You see, I have this thing I can do where I interpret language based on the structure of words. In fact, most people can do that. That's when they realized that they weren't "conceptualizing", they were just lied to.

[Thanatos144]

STAG IRONHIDE wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...


If you can't see the difference, then I can't help you.

Did you even watch the video or playthrough the different endings? There's about 5-20 seconds worth of difference in each ending. Try harder next time.

The choice is supose nto be about how you got to the ending not the ending persay...






Ok I hate not being able to use spellcheck in here

[Randy Woolley]

STAG IRONHIDE wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...


If you can't see the difference, then I can't help you.

Did you even watch the video or playthrough the different endings? There's about 5-20 seconds worth of difference in each ending. Try harder next time.

Yeah, been there.. I've seen all the endings... Old news... Why would I bother re-watching endings that I've already been exposed to...

Like I said.. If you are not mentally capable of understanding the differences, then I can't help you.

[Thanatos144]

Omnike wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

I see most everyone still has entitlement issues... I thought the endings were just fine and I honestly hope that Bioware doesn't listen to a bunch of whiners and change.. I really think a lot of you need to get out of the house more often.. It's just a game people..

Troll. You're bad at this.

Nope.. Not a troll.. I actually do love the games and I think the endings are just fine... I just find it funny how many people are whining over it, like they have a right to demand a new ending.

Well, considering I paid for 16 endings and not ABC, yeah I think I feel justifed demanding what I paid for.

Then you were not smart enough to understand a concept does not equal actual product.

It was not a concept. They said that's how they were ending the games. Saying "I'm going to build a tree fort" does not mean the same thing as "I'm thinking about building a tree fort". You see, I have this thing I can do where I interpret language based on the structure of words. In fact, most people can do that. That's when they realized that they weren't "conceptualizing", they were just lied to.

You need to re read it. It wasnt a promise it was a concept. He was pretty clear about it. He is not to blame for you problems comprahending.

[STAG IRONHIDE]

Randy Woolley wrote...


Yeah, been there.. I've seen all the endings... Old news... Why would I bother re-watching endings that I've already been exposed to...

Like I said.. If you are not mentally capable of understanding the differences, then I can't help you.

And as soon as you pull the "Too deep for you card" I stop seriously replying. Enjoy your lazy ending and keep on trolling bro.

[markdienekes]

I don't ask for much, just an ending that makes sense. For the attack in london and getting to the beam to get onto the Citadel, I had Tali and Liara with me. I chose to control the Reapers - next minute, we have the Normandy flying away, nothing about any of the characters on the ground, and Tali and Liara are somehow now on the ship that gets hit by a wave of energy and land on a planet. Please tell me how any of that immediatly followed the actions of Sheperd. Did the energy that hit the Normandy kindly wait for Joker to pick up Liara and Tali, then just flies off towards where exactly?

[Omnike]

Thanatos144 wrote...
 You need to re read it. It wasnt a promise it was a concept. He was pretty clear about it. He is not to blame for you problems comprahending.

Lol


Official Mass Effect Website 
http://masseffect.com/about/story/ 

“Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any 
other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience 
and outcome.” 

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer) 
http://popwatch.ew.c........c-walters/ 

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass 
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.” 

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer) 
http://business.fina...-all-audiences/ 

“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think 
one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are 
optimal for different people “ 

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer) 
http://www.computera...missing-in-me2/ 

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as 
much as we are anyway.” 

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer) 
http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/ 

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How 
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and 
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t 
say any more than that…” 

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer) 
http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry 

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the 
architect of what happens." 

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless 
of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide 
some answers to these people.” 

“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being 
brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they 
got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was 
because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you 
didn't make” 

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director) 
http://www.gameinfor...s-effect-3.aspx 

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the 
universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in 
Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different 
based on what you would do in those situations.” 

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director) 
http://venturebeat.c...fans-interview/ 

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get 
some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.” 

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the 
lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, 
being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an 
end.” 

Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?” 
Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with 
the fans. We use a lot of feedback.” 

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director) 
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2 

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that 
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?” 
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to 
build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about 
eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is 
coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot 
more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many 
decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that 
stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, 
where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got 
ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and 
variety in them.” 

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player 
decide what your story  

[Thanatos144]

none of which was a lie.... No where was it a promise ether.....Again comprehend what you read.

[Randy Woolley]

STAG IRONHIDE wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...


Yeah, been there.. I've seen all the endings... Old news... Why would I bother re-watching endings that I've already been exposed to...

Like I said.. If you are not mentally capable of understanding the differences, then I can't help you.

And as soon as you pull the "Too deep for you card" I stop seriously replying. Enjoy your lazy ending and keep on trolling bro.

I am in no way your bro.... But, hey, don't feel too bad that you have entitlement issues.. You're certainly not alone.. Go back to thinking the world revolves around your ideas because you purchased something.

[FairfaxLessee]

Thanatos144 wrote...

STAG IRONHIDE wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...


If you can't see the difference, then I can't help you.

Did you even watch the video or playthrough the different endings? There's about 5-20 seconds worth of difference in each ending. Try harder next time.

The choice is supose nto be about how you got to the ending not the ending persay...






Ok I hate not being able to use spellcheck in here

Saying the choice is how you get to the ending not the ending is a lot like saying like saying "it's not the journey, it's the destination."  Wise old words, but they create something of a problem in real life-see, if your destination is Rawlins, Wyoming, it doesn't really matter if you get there via New York, Paris, the Alps, Istanbul, Seoul, Tokyo, Hawaii, and Disneyland (or wherever else you want to go) you still end up in Rawlins, Wyoming.

[Omnike]

Thanatos144 wrote...

none of which was a lie.... No where was it a promise ether.....Again comprehend what you read.

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How 
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and 
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t 
say any more than that…”  

Nowhere in that quote do I see "We're trying" or "we're thinking about". No, you can't comprehend language.

Modifié par Omnike, 29 mars 2012 - 06:56 .

[improperdancing]

Thanatos144 wrote...

none of which was a lie.... No where was it a promise ether.....Again comprehend what you read.

Heads up, everyone!  The BioWare Defense Force has arrived!

[MrAtomica]

Randy Woolley wrote...

No, I'm just not under the misundestanding that I am ENTITLED to a game ending because I say so.. It's a product... You don't like it.. Don't buy it... Simple as that..

Say that to the millions of fans who pre-ordered this game under the assumption that what the developers had been championing up to release was, as it should have been, true.

There's exagerration, and then there's EXAGERRATION.

Some the of the statements made by guys like Hudson and Gamble are outight falsehoods, or at least deceptive in the extreme.